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(Message started by: parrothead on Feb 1^st, 2003, 8:07pm)

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by parrothead on Feb 1^st, 2003, 8:07pm

You are the "king" for reminding everyone!

Mine been at half staff sincw the order came down.

GOD BLESS AMERICA, INDEED!

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Elaine on Feb 1^st, 2003, 8:15pm

I have been watching the news all day.
Many tears were shead today :'(

Flags all through town are half staff here!

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Ted on Feb 1^st, 2003, 9:54pm

I agree this is a sad event that these 7 people died. But why is it being considered any more tragic than the seemingly monthly or bi-monthly plane crashes where 23 people die? 18 people die? etc. And we never give those passengers a second thought. I actually am really curious about this.

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by kim on Feb 1^st, 2003, 10:35pm

I give them my thoughts all the time....as do many. It is a follow u folow me...............A circle.

Thanks again KOP.........

Kim. Flying Cowboys...........Go With God

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by jonny on Feb 1^st, 2003, 10:55pm

Got a big ass flag nailed to the front of my house, put it there 9/11, most have taken theres down......mine remains and will as long as I own this joint!!!

.......................jonny

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by cootie on Feb 1^st, 2003, 11:32pm

Yeah we left our big flag up on our front porch too since 911.....so many people gather'd ta watch this landin taday that ended in tradgidy ....they seen it 'go down' .....was supposed ta be a happy day.....gawd that had ta be an aweful expirience for em all esp the families.....can't get that outa my head. I feel so sad 'n helpless.....God Bless America and peace and PF to ya all.......Pam :'(

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by tommyD on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 7:19am

Ted --

A good question. It think it's because the shuttle program is the frontier, the bleeding edge of human endeavor. These are folks engaged in a very risky business, the main purpose being the pursuit of knowledge and the advacement of all humanity.

All our dreams ride with the shuttle astronauts, no matter the nationality, politics, ideology. They put their lives on the line for all of us...

That's why, I think, I felt that chill again. It's been riding up and down my spine since yesterday morning...the same way it did when the Challenger went down, the same way it did on 9-11...

And that's why the shuttles must continue to fly... It's unlikely they'd need or want an over-weight, flabby middle-aged guy with no useful skillks, but I'd ride the next flight in a second.

-tommyD

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by 2late on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 9:45am

Thanx KOP, .........Ted, i agree with Tommy,also i think the main difference is these people are mostly military devoting their lives to this country in wartime & peace. .........2late

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Jarvis on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 11:12am

Ted heres the answer found in the flag code.. One must be a government official and as the majority on Columbia were government personell they were considered officials deemed by the president to be so. .............................................. ............................"By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff. The flag shall be flown at half-staff thirty days from the death of the President or a former President; ten days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress". As used in this subsection -
(1) the term 'half-staff' means the position of the flag when it is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by jonny on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 11:16am

The flag I nailed to the front of my house is not there for any one American........Its there for every American, dead or alive, military or civilian!!!
.............................jonny

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Jarvis on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 11:31am

jonny and cootie; No disrespect intended here But the flag should not be nailed but allowed to hang free................. also again from the flag code ....................... (a) Display on buildings and stationary flagstaffs in open; night display
It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed twenty-four hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness. May they all rest in peace. Knowing they have touched the finger of their Gods.

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by jonny on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 11:46am

No disrespect to you Jarvis but im rasing my middle finger of American freedom to the flag code.

Does the code say that the flag cant be a bumper sticker or a shirt ?

The best pics I have ever seen was the one with the towel head lighting the American flag on fire and he himself caught on fire.....FRY YOU BASTARD!!!!!

Shall I scrape the egale with stars and stripes in its wings off my chest cause the code says its wrong?

Fuck codes!!!!!!

.............................jonny

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by kissmyglass on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 12:17pm

I agree Jonny....I painted a flag on the roof of my van. Up to code? No. do I give a fuck? No. Am I being disrespectful? Not my intention....

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by jonny on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 12:30pm

on 02/02/03 at 12:17:02, kissmyglass wrote:

I agree Jonny....I painted a flag on the roof of my van. Up to code? No. do I give a fuck? No. Am I being disrespectful? Not my intention....

ROCK-N-ROLL, Bro!!!!!!

I'd like to paint it on some Iraq bastards forehead!!!!

..............................jonny

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by kissmyglass on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 12:34pm

Tattoo it on their forehead ya mean....

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by jonny on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 12:38pm

Nice thought but why waste the ink and electricity when in the end im just going to cut the fucking thing off like they did Daniel.

.........................jonny

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by kissmyglass on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 12:49pm

Yeah right...they'd just wrap a friggin towel around it anyway....
Tattoo it across their dface before you cut it off...just for the sport of it...I'll pay for the ink electricity & some extra long needles....
What are we doing about Daniel anyway? I really hope not nothing.... >:(

Kev C

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Jarvis on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 12:53pm

Jonny . yep the code does say it cant be worn as clothing. nothing about the tatoos though.. Not that I even own a flag mind you. I too believe in american freedom and The flag represents that freedom. Maybe it should overrule. But when the flag is not properly "respected" some would consider this an act of "treason".............. I AM NOT ONE, My father was. Hell I'm just an old hippie who had to hear it all.... The flag is kinda like a woman sometimes we worship them and at times theres just too many damn rules. But it is our flag and so it has great representation and deserves the respect it can be given. .......... Kiss glass, yours would not be considered a flag as its painted on and merely becomes art at that point.

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Jarvis on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 12:55pm

KOP my apologies for straying from the original and patriotic intent of your subject. But life goes on.

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by jonny on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 1:08pm

apologies?

I think KOP will enjoy the interaction going on, he stirred the pot and came up with us.......LOL

....................jonny :D

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Jarvis on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 1:38pm

And "we" are the u.s. of america. We the people. Just dont tread on me. So the saying goes.

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by jonny on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 1:43pm

As DJ would say

FUCKENEH!!!

.............................jonny

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by LTBullitt on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 1:46pm

Vilolent here :'(

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by LTBullitt on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 1:48pm

violent :'(
sorry, tired

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Ted on Feb 2^nd, 2003, 11:49pm

I still don't get it. There were about 115 flights. 2 ended in tragedy. That puts it under 2 percent of a dangerous mission. We sit here and say they risked there lives knowingly. But they walked upon the shuttle as concerned as we are getting on a plane... knowing it wasn't much of a risk. So why do we mourn them more than others? Because they're in the military and risking their lives, as was suggested? Well, we've lost people in the war on terrorism. And I've yet to see anyone ask us to fly flags at half-mast. So, that answer doesn't work either. I am still at a loss t why their lives are considered better than anyone elses. I have asked others and only one other person was willing to give me an honest answer. We mourn them more than others because we think their lives are more important than a waitress'. Or plumber. Or a roofer. Or a...well, in my eyes... a corporate executive.

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Charlie on Feb 3^rd, 2003, 7:26am

I see Ted's point here but there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. As I said in another thread, we are bombed with pictures and information. It's on TV and is "real." This kind of thing makes us feel shitty because we are reminded that for all our smartass technology, we are little men with big machines are are not gods. We got caught pretending otherwise. Sorry folks, we can't "fix" it no matter how many flags we wave. It's damned embarrassing. We are stuck beating ourselves over our swelled heads...and we will for a time.

Charlie

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by Slammy on Feb 3^rd, 2003, 3:48pm

I don't think anyone feels that the astronauts lives "are considered better than anyone elses."

They are mourned because they sacrificed their lives for the betterment of MANKIND. Now you can debate whether or not performing scientific studies in space is, in fact, working toward the betterment of MANKIND, but it is what these people believed in, and what our government believes in.

The issue is not " how can we justify spending billions on exploring space when we can't even feed people here on Earth". The challenge is " How can we do both. "

As my education and career has been in the scientific/technology world, I have found there are no black and white simple answers out there. I, for one, cannot make the arguement that space exploration cannot benefit MANKIND in regards to issues here on Earth, including feeding the planet.

However, I DO believe in my country, and what it stands for, and as such, believe in what these 7 astronauts also stood for. They are heroes in my book and deserve the recognition this country is bestowing on them, including mourning for them by flying our flag at half staff.

Slammy 8)

Title: Re: Please Fly Your Flag At Half Staff
Post by 7yrscronic on Feb 3^rd, 2003, 4:11pm

Why do we need to know what peanut butter does in space? ??? I know we have learned a lot from space travel. But come on, these guys were no better than you or me. Will my life be inpacted by the loss of these people? NO. Because they weren't doing any cluster headache studies up there. I blame the media for half of the "mourning" they claim this country goes through. Maybe I'm just a cold hearted bastard, good. I don't want to get upset selectively everytime someone I don't know, never met, will have never met, couldn't give two shits about dies. People are born, people die. It's the cycle of life. These astronaughts knew what they had signed up for. They knew it was a possibillity. It's the same as the fireman who goes into a burning building to save someone, but doesn't make it out. I don't feel too bad because it is in their job description. No where in my job description does it mention anything about death.
-Todd