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Title: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by cynjeep89 on Mar 21st, 2008, 1:05pm How many of you have managers or bosses who have insisted that you read this book? We were given this book by a consultant who has been in our office during the new manager search (our last manager was canned....grr) I don't mind reading at all but we also had to write a book report on this book...nonsense to me since we are backlogged as all heck. I guess I just don't want to find the new location of the cheese right now. >:( |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Linda_Howell on Mar 21st, 2008, 1:18pm I've read it Cyn. Your boss is trying to tell you all something. That there are going to be changes made and everyone needs to be ready to adapt. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by jimmers on Mar 21st, 2008, 1:24pm Tell him you'll read it on company time, or at home if you get paid for it! :D Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 21st, 2008, 1:43pm Oh, puhleeze. That book is like 15 years old, and it sucks. It's no better now than it was then. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by superhawk2300 on Mar 21st, 2008, 1:47pm My company gave it to us something like 5 years ago complete with new mouse pads and they had a big regional shin-dig and the authors spoke etc. It started to suck so I never read it. Now 5 years or so later I am one of the few people still employed in the WI district - I'd say 75% of the people that read the book are gone. How's that for change? |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by LeLimey on Mar 21st, 2008, 1:47pm on 03/21/08 at 13:43:07, brewcrew wrote:
You're just crabby because you Wisconsinites think you have the monopoly on cheese :P |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by cynjeep89 on Mar 21st, 2008, 2:17pm We were able to read it on company time so that is no biggie but when we are up to our hiney holes with work, the hospital is at 95% occupancy, we are short staffed (two FTEs), a new manager to break in, new billing programs and have been on overtime since forever.....IMHO....the consultant's timing isn't very good. We can all adapt to change and have proven this but we just need time to get our work done before administration starts jumping down our throats. I did have to laugh because our new manager's last name is very common last name in the area mob scene.....guess we have to behave for a while, eh? I'll have to be careful to check the bed when I wake up tomorrow ;;D |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by artonio7 on Mar 21st, 2008, 2:40pm A much better use of time in my honest opinion would be spent in reading "The Power of Now" by Ekhardt Tolle. with warm regards, Tony |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 21st, 2008, 2:45pm on 03/21/08 at 13:47:04, LeLimey wrote:
Hello? Earth to Helen. We do. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by wildhaus on Mar 21st, 2008, 3:21pm on 03/21/08 at 14:45:43, brewcrew wrote:
Hello? Switzerland to brew..... do you? dont you call it Swisscheese....... :P |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by LeLimey on Mar 21st, 2008, 3:25pm "Cheddar" was invented in "Zummerzet" :P Yummmm.. I love cheese! |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 21st, 2008, 3:27pm on 03/21/08 at 15:21:48, wildhaus wrote:
Uh, helloooo? America's Dairyland to that one tiny, neutral country that has everybody's money....Yes, we do. ;) |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 21st, 2008, 3:29pm on 03/21/08 at 15:25:05, LeLimey wrote:
I don't care where it was invented. We still make the best. We don't even make the most anymore, but we still make the best. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by LeLimey on Mar 21st, 2008, 3:31pm I just like good cheese. I don't care where it comes from. Brie, Cheddar, Danish blue, Double Gloucester and a load of other cheeses - its all good! For hard chesse the more mature (sharp?) the better for me. Not even Jasper will eat mild cheddar |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Jonny on Mar 21st, 2008, 4:01pm I bid $200 on the sharp cheddar! [smiley=grin2.gif] |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by thebbz on Mar 21st, 2008, 4:47pm Whatever happened to logic and reason, eh Cyn? Have you seen Rattatoulie? My kind of mouse. all the best thebb |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by cynjeep89 on Mar 21st, 2008, 7:00pm I haven't seen Rattatoulie yet but would like to since you have recommended it. Logic, reason and common sense seem to have vanished as far as our mananagement is concerned. We have tons of work to do but they keep throwing stupid books, special projects and other nonsense at us to do and then wonder why we are so far behind in our daily work. Sheesh!! I am so glad the weekend is here......I see a Heineken with my name on it!! |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by lashultzwfe on Mar 21st, 2008, 8:35pm I have read it and I ditto what Linda Howell said. The book has been around a long time though, you are correct, Brew. ;) Cnyjeep, change is coming, I always remember a plaque that one of my coworkers had on their desk, it read: When you are through with change, you are through.(can't of deep, but something to think about). |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by lashultz on Mar 21st, 2008, 9:07pm on 03/21/08 at 20:35:42, lashultzwfe wrote:
To my wife. What is a can't of deep? |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Linda_Howell on Mar 21st, 2008, 9:29pm To all my wonderful, dear, sweet, loving and forgiving friends in WI. :-* Please don't be mad, but our dairymen in Calif. produce these commercials and they are all hilarious but this one especially... in light of what Brew has said. http://youtube.com/watch?v=MoPZXm53vuk LMAO. Oregon makes some pretty good cheese also. Tilamook comes to mind. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 21st, 2008, 9:32pm on 03/21/08 at 21:29:14, Linda_Howell wrote:
The California Cheese Council can stick it 7 ways to Sunday. :P They make more. We make it better. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Melissa on Mar 22nd, 2008, 9:31am 1. Dairy is part of Wisconsin's heritage. We have lived and literally breathed dairy air for more than 100 years. The black and white bovines that you see grazing in California's Happy Cow ads are probably filmed in Wisconsin. We still have green pastures, red barns and more than 14,000 family-owned dairy farms. 2. Wisconsin has 1,200 men and women who have spent at least 18 months working to get their cheesemakers licenses; 43 men and women who have worked at least 10 years to get their Master Cheesemaker's licenses and 117 cheese factories at which they work to craft a new style of artisan or specialty cheese every day. We make more than 600 types of cheese. California makes 250. 3. Wisconsin wins more awards for its cheeses than any other state or nation. We continually sweep every major national and international dairy competition. We have more cheese factories with walls covered in blue ribbons than anywhere on earth. [smiley=smug.gif] |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Charlotte on Mar 22nd, 2008, 10:18am http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n106/Charlotte_044/artwork/cows500.jpg We really do have black & white bovines here. I painted this from 2 photos I took, but I didn't load them to photobucket at the time, just the painting. Unfortunately, I don't know how long our dairies will continue. The Silva Dairy (where I took the pics) was still there last time I looked, but several other dairies look like they have gone under. Our cheese is good, but I agree that Wisconsin cheese is the best. I love cheese so I hope your dairies never go under. Charlotte |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 22nd, 2008, 10:26am Charlotte, If you look very closely at the Wisconsin State flag, you'll see our state motto toward the bottom: EAT CHEESE OR DIE |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by superhawk2300 on Mar 22nd, 2008, 10:43am WOW - what are GREAT painting Char! Thanks fior sharing! OK, now the other part. Yes Cali has tons of cows and out produces WI in overall production. It is true that WI wins more awards than any other entity on the planet for its cheese. My friend is a bio-chemist whose company sells the agent that inhibits mold growth in dairy products and he gos to pretty much anyplace that makes cheese in the world - the stuff they make sells for 100K an ounce and there are very few suppliers (well if you consider the Chinese then add one more). He says WI plants are setup for smaller controlled batches as opposed to the macro-made cheeses. Next time you have the chance grab some cheese from any of the specialty cheese stores dotting our country-side for a taste of a tastey taste sensation....... :) |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by superhawk2300 on Mar 22nd, 2008, 10:47am Oh yeah, I've lived lots of food producing states. Florida also has steer farms and produce lots of meat. Seriously, we throw out meat that tastes and smells like the meat you get nativly in FL. The first time I had a steak at a resturant and I got the steak it smelled bad and tasted like cardboard. When I told them I had a bad steak they looked at me like I had lobsters crawling out of my ears. "Sir, your steak is fine but here is another one just like it to replace yours". Where food is produced certainly plays a part in its quality. There I used the word "quality" - WI folks are now offically cheese snobs. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by wildhaus on Mar 22nd, 2008, 11:22am Quote:
Brow, the bible (Ex 33:3 Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee) talked about the land of milk an honey – the holly land what the bible missed is the land of Chocolate, Swatch, cheese, and money! ….. and that would have been for Switzerland That is way we can afford to be Neutral – who would attack his own bank….. ? To Dairy…. If I have it right in my head it is DANONE (France) and Parmalat (Italy) which are the worlds Giants of dairy…… (Next to Nestlé (SWISS) is the world's largest food and beverage company. Kraft Foods, the largest U.S. based food and beverage company. Unilever is an Anglo-Dutch company that owns many of the world's consumer product brands in foods and beverages.) and not Wisconsin..... Mel, I see you are well again, (I am very happy) ……. if you can get into this type of discussions…. Quote:
…..How dose your fellow Wisconsinseneit Brow says…… Hello? Earth to Mel? is it not Slightly overdoing it, I am ewer of only 7 groups or types of Cheese… 1. Extra hard cheese-like the Parmiggiano (Parma Italy) 2. hard cheese like the Emmentaler (Switzerland) or Swiss cheese (Wisconsin) Chester (England) 3. Half hart cheese Apenzeller (Swiss) Gauda (Holland) 4. half soft cheese Vacherin (Swiss) Roquefort (Franc) Stilton (England) 5. Soft Cheese like the Camembert / Brie (Franc) Mozzarella (Italy) 6. Fresh cheese like the Quark 7. Sauer milk cheese….. I don’t know any names…. ….. Or are you talking brands…. or do we have terminology problem….. (?) Quote:
Hallo? Mel…. where did you get this one…….. I loved it…… that is what I call patriotism….. makes me smile…… Mel I will use your smiley…… just so I have that smart feel as you….. [smiley=smug.gif] (I must have plenty of time on hand.... doing the research I did and typing this, but its fun!) |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Melissa on Mar 22nd, 2008, 11:26am on 03/22/08 at 11:22:47, wildhaus wrote:
Thank you Michael. Doing better, but will still need an ultrasound to determine if I'll need surgery or not. Oh well!! In answer to your question, that is 600 different types, styles AND varieties. Not just types. http://www.wisdairy.com/SpecialOffers/COTM/Default.aspx :) |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by sandie99 on Mar 22nd, 2008, 11:35am on 03/21/08 at 14:40:30, artonio7 wrote:
Tony, I want to read that one! :) Sanna |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 22nd, 2008, 11:38am Amazing how the original topic has digressed. And stop calling me Brow. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Jonny on Mar 22nd, 2008, 11:40am on 03/22/08 at 11:38:17, brewcrew wrote:
LOL....Dont mind him, hes just a typical white person....LOL [smiley=grin2.gif] |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Melissa on Mar 22nd, 2008, 11:41am Oops, sorry... Cyn- When I worked for Travel Guard Intl. we were required to attend a Stephen Covey workshop and read his 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. Needless to say, the owner ended up selling out to AIG and the place has a high employee turnaround. ::) Hang in there! ;) |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by sandie99 on Mar 22nd, 2008, 11:57am Mel, I've actually read that Stephen Covey's book a few years back... Sanna |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Melissa on Mar 22nd, 2008, 12:04pm Sanna, I look at as one of those books where you take what you want and leave the rest. Had some good points in it, but there was just no way I could follow it thoroughly. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by wildhaus on Mar 22nd, 2008, 12:04pm on 03/22/08 at 11:38:17, brewcrew wrote:
Opps sorry...... must be the age....... or brain (?)..... No that is not possible..... there was never one there to start with....... so it must be age....... Quote:
Jonny - how do you know?...... I might have Michael Jackson syndrome….. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by sandie99 on Mar 22nd, 2008, 12:33pm on 03/22/08 at 12:04:20, Melissa wrote:
Mel, you and me both! :) When I read those kind of books, I have a notebook with me and if there's something I particularly like, I write it down. :) I have found few books,which I loved so much that I've read them several times and now also have my own copies at my tiny library. BTW, The Secret is now out in Finnish! Funny, but the original version has not arrived here yet... ::) Sanna |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Groov on Mar 22nd, 2008, 12:47pm "Brow" This is a blatant case of "cheese-snobbery" ;;D ;;D ;;D |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 22nd, 2008, 12:48pm on 03/22/08 at 12:45:11, Groov wrote:
We've rededicated ourselves to keeping this thread on track, on the original topic. Get with the program, Dave. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Linda_Howell on Mar 22nd, 2008, 12:51pm ::) Just for the record..I don't think that California has better cheese than WI. I only posted the link to that commercial because I found it funny. Disclaimer over. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Groov on Mar 22nd, 2008, 12:54pm I guess your job is very different than mine Cyn. No one at work would ever expect me to read that book. We do have classes on trigonometry at the local community college available if we choose to take them. But that is up to each builder/fabricator. I cant imagine being an adult and not having gained the basic skills to use change to your advantage (as best as possible anyways) If you think it will help you, more power to ya Cheers, Dave |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Groov on Mar 22nd, 2008, 12:55pm on 03/22/08 at 12:48:12, brewcrew wrote:
Bill, by now you should know that I have a hard time focusing ;;D ;;D ;;D |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by George_J on Mar 22nd, 2008, 8:49pm Gotta love hierarchical organizations. Whenever the desk monkeys start passing out "inspirational" books, you know you're going to get screwed. Best, George |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 22nd, 2008, 8:53pm on 03/22/08 at 20:49:21, George_J wrote:
Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Annette on Mar 22nd, 2008, 9:13pm on 03/22/08 at 20:49:21, George_J wrote:
Really ? I was going to pass the bible for the receptionists to read ... Maybe I should scrape that idea ? |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Groov on Mar 22nd, 2008, 9:54pm on 03/22/08 at 20:49:21, George_J wrote:
Was thinking that myself George. My partner at work's wife is taking some classes offered by her company. Great for her because they pertain directly to her job in IT and will eventually get her more money. But included in the work-related classes is some foo foo class she was required to take by the company involving writing silly-ass papers on her "feelings" or describe any feelings of inadequacy. Whats your "feelings" on racism etc. Who gives a tinkers damn !!! Last time she checked, she was working in IT, not trying to have her own daytime talk show. I get the "feeling" they need to focus on her purpose there....that is to make the company money. Here is how it worked fine for years: you go to work, you produce and make the company money. In return, you get a paycheck. If you were obnoxious to others, you no longer worked there. Never really needed to hold hands, sway & sing "We are the world" So I guess now we need to take classes to learn how to conduct ourselves at work and act like we posses a functioning brain...sigh. Sorry for the rambling, it just seemed kinda silly to me. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by purpleydog on Mar 23rd, 2008, 10:38am on 03/21/08 at 21:29:14, Linda_Howell wrote:
Tillamook has a great dairy, and the best (Sorry Brew) Cheddar cheese I've ever eaten. (Among the other cheese and ice cream they make). Comes from those swimming cows. Yes, swimming cows. It rains so much there, the cows swim. Imparts a slightly different taste to the cheese. We brought a 5 lb loaf of cheddar, and a 1 lb loaf of sharp cheddar for the trip back. Lasted about a month after we got home. Time to order some more... Although WI has some damn good cheese. And it's not far away at all. ;) |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by wildhaus on Mar 23rd, 2008, 12:00pm I was under the impression that the days of McKinsey and other are over (?) the “efficiency consultants” and books that have been a must during the mid 80th and 90th like Who Moved My Cheese? and One Minute Manager (I did like the book one minute manager, so) Stuff that came with the raise of the so called efficiency companies… like the one mentioned above… The days when “young kids” told the older generation that it’s about shares value and not work values… of the “old ways” and we do remember what was on the end of the shares value days….. But there are some new Ideas that surface from time to time…… its part of the on going high’s and low’s of the economy…. Michael Bill (Brew) I am back on track....... see, 8) also I find Cheese a better topic...... and definitely yummier...... |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 23rd, 2008, 1:13pm Chris - Try Carr Valley Cheese Co. (Mauston, WI) for some of the best cheddar I've ever eaten. I'm particularly fond of their 7-yr and 8-yr aged varieties. Now, back to the original topic. I always seem to resent having to read anything that has to do with business, especially if my employer wants me to. I divide my life into pigeonholes, and I detest having the one that represents earning a living cross over into the other pigeonholes that make up the rest of my life. And that includes reading. Maybe that's just me. I sell my sunshine so we can buy the things we want and need, and damn anybody or anything that tries to infringe upon my personal life after I've punched out. The savings I've identified and implemented over the last 20 years have already paid for my entire career numerous times over, so I could totally coast and the man would have still gotten a good deal out of me. But I won't because that's who I am. They'll continue to get a good deal with me until I retire. Therefore, it's kind of an insult when they ask me to figure out what I'm going to do when somebody moves my friggin' cheese. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Kevin_M on Mar 23rd, 2008, 1:40pm Quote:
And seemingly irrelevant too when you live where they make the damn cheese. :) |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by echo on Mar 24th, 2008, 10:50am I've read it. All of my staff has read it. At one point in my career I purchased nearly 500 copies so everyone in the division had a personal copy. The corporation purchased nearly 15,000 copies. Other required reading for my folks is E-Myth , Blur and Flawless Consulting. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 24th, 2008, 11:04am on 03/24/08 at 10:50:58, echo wrote:
But no comment on it one way or the other, thumbs-up or thumbs-down? |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by echo on Mar 24th, 2008, 11:26am on 03/24/08 at 11:04:50, brewcrew wrote:
That probably would have been nice aye> I have used it as an effective segue in moving my business operations in a different direction. Helps those adverse to change understand that "This is the way it's going to be, your day to day functions have changed, and you can either catch the vision or catch the bus". It's an easy read. As far as E-Myth - most parts are a snoozer but overall helpful to help staff think outside the technican box and become an owner or entrepreneur for what they impact and deliver. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by brewcrew on Mar 24th, 2008, 11:38am So, it would be accurate to say that it is used effectively by management to get the workforce more amenable to the idea that it's gonna be slipped in a little further? This is why I resent ever having to read something either recommended or required by my company. The whole process treats me like a child. And when I get to feeling that way, I have a tendency to want to turn around and stick it back up their backsides. It all seems so patronizing. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by echo on Mar 24th, 2008, 12:02pm on 03/24/08 at 11:38:33, brewcrew wrote:
I also include a small tube of KY with my directional change. I don't mind suggested reading, it's the manditory barrage of bull shit I had to read over the years that chaps my ass, especially when I have to write a book report -- "Fuck Off" comes to mind. Just so everyone knows -- what I give to my directs are suggested. If it's a manditory read from above, I'll read it first and provide them a report and suggested areas to read for themselves. |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Kevin_M on Mar 24th, 2008, 2:14pm on 03/24/08 at 12:02:35, echo wrote:
The book made it's rounds. It appeared, my appointed topic to report on was "timing", I spoke about it's importance for effective execution. Very pleased at my good light and infusion of morale as a team player on what could be difficult future treading. I never read the book, I was writing about the 3 Stooges. His 80's and 90's style management needed a 60 or 70 year old lesson. Our cheese was moved and outsourced nine months later to Manilla and the Dominican Republic. The book used as a diversion to buy time until someone got around to working out our severance. The "vision" is low cost. The COBRA cost of still carrying the insurance while jobhunting incurred a huge increase soonafter as headquarters visionaries suddenly got much better packages, elsewhere I'd suppose too, for their "execution". |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by Tiannia on Mar 24th, 2008, 2:49pm on 03/21/08 at 21:29:14, Linda_Howell wrote:
You would think that living in OR, the Tilamook cheese would be cheaper up here but no. Anyway that is the only kind I have in the house. I arose good cheese.. My husband is totally spoiled with the extra Sharp Never tried WI Cheese. Dont think they sold it in Nevada. :-* |
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Title: Re: Who Moved My Cheese? Post by JeffB on Mar 24th, 2008, 5:18pm Whenever I have a "consultant" visit my office the first thing I do is start throwing blocks of cheese at the Fockers! |
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