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(Message started by: Jonny on Mar 1st, 2008, 7:18pm)
Title: Care to chime in?
Post by Jonny on Mar 1st, 2008, 7:18pm
What a crock of shit, what say you?

http://www.migitin.com/about.htm?gclid=CLiX25WS7ZECFQEjFQodASkrxA
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by kimh on Mar 1st, 2008, 7:47pm
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Expired Chia-pet?
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Annette on Mar 1st, 2008, 8:07pm
This is interesting


" In the event wrong products are received, the correct products will be reshipped free of charge, provided the wrong products are returned unopened and in re-saleable condition "

From the site, apparently they only sell one single product. How can it be the wrong products sent ? How do you know you have received the wrong products ? What happen if you take the wrong products ??

I wonder if when you send back a bottle saying it didnt work and you want your money back, will they say " sorry we send you the wrong products, we will send you a new shipment " ? I guess at  US$75 for 60 mls they can afford to send a few "shipments" ?

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Groov on Mar 1st, 2008, 9:22pm
Couldn't possibly know without trying it I suppose. It says nothing as to how it works.
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Charlotte on Mar 1st, 2008, 9:59pm
Several things to think about here.

First, if anyone wants herbs, iherb and other on-line sites have been used by people here with good results. Even if this is safe and works, $75 for 2 oz is too steep.

Second, any herb needs to be looked up as interactions with medications and other herbs are possible.

8 of the ingredients are in my Herb Contraindications and Drug Interactions book:
Gelsemium sempervirens - yellow jasmine plant
Chelidonium majus - celadine
Ruta graveolens - rue plant
Iris versicolor - blue flag roots/rhizome
Sanguinaria - bloodroot
Cimfuga (cimfuga racemosa) - black cohosh root/rhizome
Digitalis purpurea - purple foxglove leaves
Melilotus offinales - sweet clover plant

The fact that they are in an herb/drug interaction book means they can interact.

2 were not in my book:
Cyclamen europ
Argentum nitricum

Charlotte

Modified to add - they show a chopped mixture but mention how many drops to use.  
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by artonio7 on Mar 1st, 2008, 10:11pm

on 03/01/08 at 19:18:56, Jonny wrote:
What a crock of shit, what say you?

http://www.migitin.com/about.htm?gclid=CLiX25WS7ZECFQEjFQodASkrxA


It would appear that they cover their asses in the second paragraph of the first page...


"No matter how long you have suffered from Cluster Headache we assure you that with use of Migitin you will regain your condition faster than any other solution currently available."
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Mar 1st, 2008, 10:40pm
Couldn't possibly know without trying it I suppose. It says nothing as to how it works.

Well, I suppose it doesn't work at all. Although homeopathy is an over 200 year old scam, it is a scam nevertheless; and I might add it is the biggest there is.

It has never been shown that homeopathic preparations have any other effect than placebo. (If you disregard the slimming of your wallet.;))  You can wish away warts, but certainly not Ch, as we all know.

As you can see from the table on the site, the ingredients have dilutions from D2 to D8, that is fractions from 1/100 to 1/100'000'000 of the active ingredients are left.
Supposedly, the numeric dilution is not important, the "memory effect" of water does the trick. But this "memory effect" exists only in the imagination of the homeopaths, they never could prove it to exist, neither experimentally nor theoretically (my inquiring mind would be satisfied with a solution to Schrödinger's equation  :))  

Finally this stuff isn't even up to the homeopathic standards. Dyed-in-the-wool homeopaths do not "dilute", they "potentize" their ingredients, an esoteric process of rhythmic shaking, with the proper set of mind and during the proper moon phase.  


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Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Groov on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:08pm
Well then, now I'm really confused. The site says "homeopathy"...but the site says nothing else about how this works other than you add it to water.
A quick check on homeopathy gives me this description:

Homeopathy (also homœopathy or homoeopathy; from the Greek ὅμοιος, hómoios, "similar" + πάθος, pįthos, "suffering" or "disease") is a form of alternative medicine first defined by Samuel Hahnemann in the 18th century.[1] Homeopathic practitioners contend that an ill person can be treated using a substance that can produce, in a healthy person, symptoms similar to those of the illness. According to homeopaths, serial dilution, with shaking between each dilution, removes the toxic effects of the remedy while the qualities of the substance are retained by the diluent (water, sugar, or alcohol). The end product is often so diluted that materially it is indistinguishable from pure water, sugar or alcohol.[2][3][4] Practitioners select treatments according to a patient consultation that explores the physical and psychological state[5] of the patient, both of which are considered important to selecting the remedy

According to the description, this would have to induce symptoms "similar to" the ailment.
Why in the heck would I want to produce a cluster-like symptom!?!?!?

After reading what homeopathy is, I'd think it's a crock as Jonny said.

You would think that if they wanted to sell their product, they would stay away from the term "homeopathy" and call it "herbal medication" or "natural medication" or something like that.

 Doesn't matter, didn't plan on buying any anyways  ;)
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:10pm

on 03/01/08 at 22:40:02, AlienSpaceGuy wrote:
[(my inquiring mind would be satisfied with a solution to Schrödinger's equation  :))


Christmas vacation, 1925, two weeks in the Alpine resort of Arosa in your Switzerland with an unknown woman companion, and it's conception.  

It happened, once.
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Groov on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:17pm
Here is something else I forgot to include as it relates to "homeopathy"

Claims for efficacy of homeopathic treatment beyond the placebo effect are unsupported by scientific and clinical studies.[7][8][9][10] The ideas behind homeopathy are scientifically implausible and "diametrically opposed to modern pharmaceutical knowledge".[11][12][13] The lack of convincing scientific evidence supporting its efficacy,[14] and its contradiction of basic scientific principles, have caused homeopathy to be regarded as pseudoscience,[15][16][17][18] or, in the words of a 1998 medical review, as "placebo therapy at best and quackery at worst".[19]

As you can see...homeopathy is absolutely without ANY scientific credibility.

Well then I'd have to ask...why would anyone try to sell a product that has already been proven useless !?!?!?

What? someones gonna spend $75 without even looking up "homeopathy" ?  If they do sell any, the buyer will get what they deserve for the effort put in...nothing  ;;D
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:28pm

on 03/01/08 at 23:17:30, Groov wrote:
Here is something else I forgot to include ...

homeopathy is absolutely without ANY scientific credibility.


Wow.  Now that I reread ASG's post, it dawns on me, I think that's what he was hinting at.    ;)
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by superhawk2300 on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:36pm
I have tried lots of homeopathic items.

Some worked, some didn't.

One thing that seems to work for lots of people I know is zinc at the first sign of a cold, kept in the mouth, under the tounge. The make those lozenges - they work for me anyhow.

That being said this doesn't look homeopathic at all. A big bag of chopped up herbs that you add to lots of water. I guess it would be more "medicinal" than "homeopathic" having to drink a bunch of water with it.

Hey maybe it works because it is the "Water Water Water" treatment and the drops are just a way to get you to drink the water!?!?

I'm in cycle so I would be curious to try, except that my cycle is reponding quite well to the verapamil so I couldn't be sure if the stuff worked or not.

Anyone just starting a cycle or cycling without meds? i guess I'd chip in some small cash if others wanted to as well so someone could be gunina pig for us......
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Groov on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:36pm
Thats why I went & checked out homeopathy Kevin. Heard of it, but didnt know what  it was about. I suspect I'm not the only one whose never read about it.
Dave
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by chewy on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:42pm
Meanwhile. Back at the migitin warehouse factory lab




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Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:44pm
I was just screwin' around, Dave.  Yeah, it's a big-buck thing, somehow.  You put a nice finger on it with your post, glad you got to know.  People can claim anything as long as they don't have to prove it.  

If you catch the "Head On" commercials lately, it's barely noticable but now they can't say it's good for headaches anymore, cause it ain't.  All they say in the commercial is "apply to head, apply to head."  There's no indication it's for headaches, but I guess some may imply that now, why else would they still run the commercials.  
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Groov on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:50pm

on 03/01/08 at 23:28:29, Kevin_M wrote:
Wow.  Now that I reread ASG's post, it dawns on me, I think that's what he was hinting at.    ;)



Know what else? It isnt amazing to me that homeopathy turned out to be something without merit.

What I am surprised by Kevin, is the fact that their product is being sold with the name of a de-bunked "pseudoscience" attached to it.

What do you do when you want to try something new that costs more than a few bucks?
Well, I at least look it up & read a while so I can get an idea if what I am about to buy is crap or useful.

 I wouldn't buy something I had no idea about without at least making a small effort to find out what the heck it is I'm buying.

But what the hell....someone sent their pet rock to the "pet rock hospital"  I suppose someone will buy it...sigh ::)
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Groov on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:54pm

on 03/01/08 at 23:44:05, Kevin_M wrote:
I was just screwin' around, Dave.  Yeah, it's a big-buck thing, somehow.  You put a nice finger on it with your post, glad you got to know.  People can claim anything as long as they don't have to prove it.  

If you catch the "Head On" commercials lately, it's barely noticable but now they can't say it's good for headaches anymore, cause it ain't.  All they say in the commercial is "apply to head, apply to head."  There's no indication it's for headaches, but I guess some may imply that now, why else would they still run the commercials.  



No I havent noticed it. Interesting you noticed it tho.

I saw the commercials and was sure it was for headaches.

 Crikey, file it away with Migitin, sinus buster, and a host of other useless goodies available to a hungry for crap public  ;;D ;;D ;;D
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 1st, 2008, 11:57pm

on 03/01/08 at 23:50:00, Groov wrote:
What do you do when you want to try something new that costs more than a few bucks?
Well, I at least look it up & read a while so I can get an idea if what I am about to buy is crap or useful.

 I wouldn't buy something I had no idea about without at least making a small effort to find out what the heck it is I'm buying.


If you read and checked then the product's not for you, you simply must believe.  Surprising though how many people will buy something from the testimonials on a website or commercial.  
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Kevin_M on Mar 2nd, 2008, 12:06am

on 03/01/08 at 23:50:00, Groov wrote:
Know what else? It isnt amazing to me that homeopathy turned out to be something without merit.

What I am surprised by Kevin, is the fact that their product is being sold with the name of a de-bunked "pseudoscience" attached to it.


And some people may be looking for alternatives to science founded remedies.  

In comes the the world of marketing, without an actual product.   ;)
Title: Re: Care to chime in?
Post by Charlie on Mar 2nd, 2008, 5:44pm
Sad to say that homeopathy fits right in today. The 21st century doesn't much resemble Arthur C. Clarke's vision.

Charlie


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