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(Message started by: artonio7 on Jan 26^th, 2008, 6:26am)

Title: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by artonio7 on Jan 26^th, 2008, 6:26am

Yesterday I went to a physical therapist for a problem I'm having with my shoulder. I was given the routine paperwork to fill out before the sessions started and listed that I was being treated for depression as well as CH... When the therapist saw me after reading everything.. He mentioned that he saw I was depressed... then proceeded to ask if I knew Jesus... "Because if you knew jesus you wouldn't be depressed"

You guys know that I am not a violent man. For chrisake my name is amabile! I had to suppress an overwhelming impulse to bitch slap the ass.hole.

I have been having a horrible time lately as the beast is being obsessive compulsive with my ass and the depression is sucking my soul dry plus the pain in the shoulder (so I think I may be a little more sensitive than usual.)

What say you... did the ass.hole cross the line?

with warm regards,
Tony

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by BarbaraD on Jan 26^th, 2008, 6:31am

Yep he did Tony -- Find a new therapist...

For religion I go to my priest... and that's where you should find Jesus - not at the therapy place.

Check your PMs...

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jan 26^th, 2008, 6:32am

I think that a good bitch-slapping helps. This way you get it out of your system and it cleanses your soul. But I know that you are too much of a gentleman . I'm the same way .

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by cynjeep89 on Jan 26^th, 2008, 7:20am

Tony,

IMHO, yes the therapist crossed the line. In his own mind he probably thought he was in some way trying to help you.

I have the attitude of to each his own but don't try to push your religion or opinions on me. If I want to hear them, I will ask.

I would speak with manager and ask for another therapist.

Your post reminds me of an incident that happened to me a couple of weeks ago.

I was in line at a convenience store waiting to buy a pack of cigs. An older lady holding a box of glazed donuts, a bag of potato chips and a diet soda was in line behind me.

When I asked the cashier for a pack of cigs, the lady behind me blutred out, "You shouldn't do that" meaning I shouldn't be smoking.

I looked at the nutritious items she was about to purchase, looked her in the face and replied, "There are a lot of things people shouldn't be doing".

Just another example of "If I want your opinion, I will ask".

Hope things start to look up for you soon, my friend.

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Jan 26^th, 2008, 7:22am

Tony - the therapist was way the hell out of line.

Hang in there.

Carol

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Sean_C on Jan 26^th, 2008, 8:23am

on 01/26/08 at 07:20:39, cynjeep89 wrote:

In his own mind he probably thought he was in some way trying to help you.

I agree, he was just sharing his own thoughts.

If your not comfortable with him, just move on Tony.

Hope you feel better soon bro.

Cheers,

Sean............................

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by PollyPocket on Jan 26^th, 2008, 8:26am

Yeah Tony, he did cross the line. I know Christians who suffer from depression, and knowing Jesus doesn't mean you no longer have to deal with real life or the crap that comes with it.

You can handle it two ways, 1 - find another therapist or 2. stay with this one and tell him you're there for PHYSICAL therapy, not SPIRITUAL therapy.

Love ya hon. Hope the shoulder feels better soon.

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by George_J on Jan 26^th, 2008, 8:29am

Out of line, yes--but I'll usually allow someone a one-off before I get postal.

Question is; am I better off severing a connection with someone, or are they helping me more than harming me? Is their gaffe going to rankle me to the point where I can't benefit as well as I might with someone else?

If they are exceptionally good at what they do, I'd probably give them a soft brush-off, and wait to see if it becomes an issue. If so, then I'd request someone else. If not, then I'm probably better off staying, than going.

That's just me, but I'm told I'm a calculating SOB. ;)

All the best, Tony, and I hope things get better for you very soon.

George

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by DennisM1045 on Jan 26^th, 2008, 8:32am

He pulled a classic bait and switch on you Tony. Find another physical therapist and don't give this ass another thought.

BTW: you should be venting more here. Sorry the beast is kicking your ass.

What do you think you did to that shoulder?

-Dennis-

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Maffumatt on Jan 26^th, 2008, 8:33am

I'm happier with Jesus in my life. But thats just me.

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Sean_C on Jan 26^th, 2008, 8:43am

on 01/26/08 at 08:33:45, Maffumatt wrote:

I'm happier with Jesus in my life. But thats just me.

LOL, I'm with you Matt ;;D and as strange as it sounds, please don't be offended Tony, I feel good knowing he's in it ;)

Sean..............................

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by LeLimey on Jan 26^th, 2008, 8:43am

I don't think it's a case of whether or not you believe in Jesus but of him, the therapist, inflicting his beliefs on someone else. He was in a setting where the other person was a captive audience.

He abused his professional position to flaunt his personal beliefs and that is wrong.

Imagine if he had said "Allah" instead of "Jesus" or "Adolf Hitler" or just about anything else.

Tony went to him for physical therapy and apart from maybe discussing how depression could affect his physical condition he had no business discussing anything else and unless he was being CONSULTED for depression shouldn't have offered "advice" on how to "treat" it.

Tony ((HUG)) I hope you feel better soon honeybun, in every way
lots of love
Helen xxx

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by artonio7 on Jan 26^th, 2008, 9:36am

Thanks for the reality check and comments guys. The guy does seem nice enough other than shoving Jesus down my throat... and making the assumptions about my faith and that if I don't believe like he believes then, I more or less deserve to be depressed.

When I am sleep deprived and in the throws of this tsunami of trauma... I become a little cranky. Go figure. I've decided to go with a gut instinct and let this one pass and if religion becomes an issue again... I just may have some twisted fun with it.

Here's what I'm thinking (I know I'll burn in hell)

Question from therapist: Do you know Jesus?
Answer: Yes he was my first latino lover but was deported for breaking into a neighbors home and redecorating, then in a maniacal frenzy he accosted five women... he tied them up and redid their hair.

I'll never forget my Jesus... he once saved my life... I was actually going to go to a club wearing off white in July. A major part of my depression is because Jesus can no longer live in the USA.

;;D

Oh and Dennis... I have an impingement of the left shoulder, tendonitis and frozen shoulder syndrome. The therapist said with about 3 months of therapy it should be almost all better. Yippe skippee hallelujah!

with warm regards,
Tony

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by deltadarlin on Jan 26^th, 2008, 9:43am

I'm with Helen on this one. What he did was also unethical. I'd talk to the owner of the PT place and explain to him what happened and how I felt. Next time this happens anywhere, just look the person in the eye and say "thank-you, but I'm ____________ (insert whatever you can come up with, Muslim, Jewish, Zoroastrian)".

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by sandie99 on Jan 26^th, 2008, 9:52am

Tony,

that therapist reminds of what my former teacher said about psychology students: half of them are healed and half of them graduate... ;;D I know it's bit different, but still... ;)

Anyway, he shouldn't have asked you something like that. "Do you believe in God/Jesus" would have more understadable, because some people (like myself) will get help from their faith. But still, any talk about religion should have been up to you, not him.

That's my [smiley=twocents.gif]
Sanna

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by catlind on Jan 26^th, 2008, 9:56am

on 01/26/08 at 08:43:31, LeLimey wrote:

Helen you hit the nail on the head there, that is exactly the problem. If I go to a medical professional I expect to be treated for the problem I am there for; Patients often don't bother to list other issues because of that very problem in some form or another. It makes it difficult to treat a patient with a whole patient approach when professionals cross the line from their area of expertise the patient is seeing them for, into another.

Since the physical therapist didn't bother to ask if there were precipitating circumstances, he went waaaaaaaaay over the line in what he said. Regardless of my beliefs, if I'm there for a specific issue I expect them to address that issue and if they want to help me as part of a whole patient approach then they had better get more background on other conditions I've listed ESPECIALLY something like depression.

Cyn - I had a situation like that in an airport, and I had my then 2 year old son on a harness because he was notorious for disappearing, a woman came up to me and said "that's deplorable, dogs belong on leashes, not children" I turned to her and with a huge smile on my face said "How do I know you're not the pervert who will abduct him" she shut up and moved on. If you are going to use a judgemental statement toward me without knowing me or my situation, you will get one in return. I used a similar tactic with a physical therapist that tried to use religion to treat me for depression and after she recovered I explained that if she wanted to use a whole patient approach she might want to find out what was causing the depression (CH and doctors that tried to kill me) and then ASK me if I wanted to consider an alternative option for treatment. I continued with her, and found her to be a terrific physical therapist once we cleared things away with her trying to use her personal belief system to treat me.

If you feel comfortable with doing it Tony, you can confront the therapist and let him know you believe he crossed the line and that if he wants to use a whole patient approach he should ASK you about your situation and if you are interested in an alternative; He most likely was being genuine in wanting to help you which is why I allowed for the gal I saw to continue with me in a mutually agreed on format; If not then perhaps you would be better to just move on to another physical therapist.

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by HeadhurtinMama on Jan 26^th, 2008, 10:26am

You know what Tony, being raised as a Christian has yet to relieve me of the chemical imbalance that causes my chronic depression... You know, it also has not relieved me of having CH... and it seems the list goes on. I'm not going to bash my religion, but I also don't believe in faith healing. He overstepped the boundaries. If he was excellent at PT, give him another shot. If he does it again, find someone else. And I love your response about Jesus!

Bridget

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by chewy on Jan 26^th, 2008, 10:31am

So there was no happy ending? 8)

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Groov on Jan 26^th, 2008, 11:04am

I'm totally with Helen too Tony. Religious beliefs are perfectly FINE. But he had NO business doing that. Find a new one.
Cheers, Dave

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Woobie on Jan 26^th, 2008, 11:39am

HI tony!! ;;D

Funny you should post this today - because JUST last night.. while I was at work... I was dealing blackjack to 5 nice guys who were tipping me...
this DRUNK whack job sits down and proceeds to tell me and my players that I'm a sinner, I need jesus... I'm sending my kids to hell with the profane money I make to feed their hethan mouths. (ME - not the players... just ME LOL)

I SHIT YOU NOT!

The 5 tippers I had at my game, all left my table within 3 minutes of that whacko sitting down... i called over my supervisor, and immediately had him kicked out... but for the 5 minutes it took for security to get there, he told me ... in a FRIENDLY manner, how I was going to hell, why and when. :-/

SOOOOOOOOOOOO..................

#1 - YES - I DO think the physical therapist was out of line.
You're there for physical therapy - not for religious counseling... OR for your depression.

I dont know if he was pushing his religion on you or just making a statement... trying to help - or judging you - but NO - either way - he's working.... you're not there for that.

(But, if you went to the Baptist Physical Therapy Center, then forget what i just said ......... ;;D )

I have NO problem with ANYONE'S religious belief. What I have a problem with is people pushing their beliefs on me when I'm minding my own business - and not asking anyone for religious help.

I personally think that religion is a very private thing. It's personal. It's no one's business what I believe.
If you want you to know what I believe, I'll tell you - but ONLY if you ask, and only if I know you. I dont tell mere strangers my very personal things like that.

AND - If I want to know what you believe.. you're damned sure we're friends FIRST before I even approach the subject. It's just not right.

Not to MENTION being told I'm going to hell because I may or may not believe in exactly what or WHO you believe in......nothing will piss me off faster.

When I'm out at dinner with my daughter, I dont appreciate getting religious pamphlets thrown onto my table and I really dont appreciate them telling my daughter that we're going to hell....
I"M AT DINNER... JACK A$$!!!!

When Jonny and I go to the grocery store for some beer and smokes, I dont want to get hit up by the baptists in the check out line... judging me and telling me we need jesus in our lives.
***(remember THAT JOnny? LMAO! [smiley=laugh.gif])

If I want religious or spiritual guidance, i know where to go, and it's NOT the local Piggly Wiggly.

And that's how I feel about that :-/

sorry :-/

woobs :-*

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Groov on Jan 26^th, 2008, 11:43am

on 01/26/08 at 11:39:36, Woobie wrote:

When Jonny and I go to the grocery store for some beer and smokes, I dont want to get hit up by the baptists in the check out line... judging me and telling me we need jesus in our lives.
***(remember THAT JOnny? LMAO! [smiley=laugh.gif])

I'd just sick Jonny on them as they approach
[smiley=laugh.gif]
He'd have em crying pretty quickly I'll bet [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by stevegeebe on Jan 26^th, 2008, 12:51pm

Consider stiffing him after your next appointment.

Tell him you'll pay him exactly half of what Jesus charged Lazarus.

Steve G

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Jonny on Jan 26^th, 2008, 1:20pm

on 01/26/08 at 11:39:36, Woobie wrote:

***(remember THAT JOnny? LMAO! [smiley=laugh.gif])

Yeah, I remember....I cant stand those people. For some strange reason im a magnet for those fucks, do you think they get a large bonus if they save someone that looks like hes in hell already?...LMAO ;;D

Hang tough, Tony, and remember......we are not the freaks, they are!!! ;)

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by monty on Jan 26^th, 2008, 1:21pm

If I were in your position, I would just tell him that I was being treated for depression, that I have my own religious opinions, and lets just stick to the "scope of practice" of physical therapy. When a medical professional goes beyond the limits and pushes a particular religion, the words "scope of practice" can have an effect that even Sarah Silverman would call magic. The guy will immediately know that he has crossed the line.

If he insists on pushing his non PT beliefs, then I would have a problem.

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by ivanov on Jan 26^th, 2008, 2:40pm

Oh Tony - you passed up a golden opportunity.
This happened to me once in the hospital by
a young male nurse. I was asking if it was time for my
pain medication and the guy leaned over and
asked if I was born again and had a personal relationship
with the Lord. I just stared at him in disbelief for a minute
then I told him - I tell you what - I'll accept your savior
if you will be mine and I made a pass at him.
LOL - the look on the guys face was priceless -
he made a bee line for the door and I didn't see again
for my remaining stay at the hospital.

All the best -
Dan

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by barry_sword on Jan 26^th, 2008, 3:03pm

Tony, he defiantly crossed a line if it was me. We get a few that come up to us if we are sitting outside on the deck and I just nicely say" no thanks, have a nice day" and they leave.

Of course, that happens only in the summertime, I should set up outside in the winter and when they see me and Angie outside having a beer I can say" Grab a shovel and lets hear what you have to say, and could you start at the far end of the driveway, and I will start at this end! ;;D

Sorry Tony, this is a serious thread and I do take this sort of thing very serious Bro! :)

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Ray on Jan 26^th, 2008, 3:20pm

Tony:

As you know, I'm a Christian, (and a Jew, but that's for another time). If provided an "opening", I would be most willing to tell someone about, and try to be convincing, about why they would need Jesus.

That being said, I've been employed in various ways, most of my life, and coming out with a theological question without being "invited" to do so would be a firing offence.

That being said, this person was out of line. No matter how hard a "Christian" might try to convince someone that they need Jesus, it is the job of the "Holy Spirit", or third person of the trinity, to create the opportunity to "witness" to someone.

I would refrain from the urge to assault the person, you might further hurt your shoulder and spend needless time with the authority figures with the guns and tazers.

I love ya Tony, and wish only the best for you,

Ray

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by KJ on Jan 26^th, 2008, 8:40pm

T-
You routinely tell me to shut up....almost weekly. Why do you have trouble with some jackass massagiing your shoulder?

C'mon man ::)

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Jonny on Jan 26^th, 2008, 9:39pm

on 01/26/08 at 20:40:07, KJ wrote:

T-
You routinely tell me to shut up....almost weekly. Why do you have trouble with some jackass massagiing your shoulder?

C'mon man ::)

Probably because he cant stand people who cant spell........I may be off on this, but I doubt it. ;;D

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Charlie on Jan 26^th, 2008, 10:48pm

Sure it was over the line. For all he knew, excesses from Jesus Jolly types may have have been a factor in your depression.

I had an ear exam from an MD that steered me to his church after it was done. He gave me a church business card......for Godsakes.... :( I'm a little worried that this guy might spend time with faith healers for guidance.

Charlie

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by KJ on Jan 26^th, 2008, 11:43pm

on 01/26/08 at 21:39:05, Jonny wrote:

Probably because he cant stand people who cant spell......

You are busting my ass for misspelling a word? That's rich [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by Callico on Jan 27^th, 2008, 2:47am

Tony,

I can't say how he presented Jesus to you, whether it was in a condescending manner as it sounds, or whether he really meant to just share his faith with you. That being said, he was WAY out of line as well as theologically incorrect to say that those who have a relationship with Jesus don't get depressed. I can think of 5 cases in scripture right now without even trying. I believe he was trying to be helpful, but out of line.

I am a Christian, and am not ashamed of my beliefs. I also suffer from depression periodically. Belief in Jesus as the Christ doesn't remove all problems from one's life.
Those of us who believe strongly in the Christian faith have an obligation to share our faith with others. If we did not it would show only our own selfishness in accepting what we believe to be God's gift to us, but that we don't love you enough to let you have it too. That does NOT make it proper for us to try to shove it down your throat or to present it condescendingly or in a holier than thou manner. God knows I am no better than any other person, and often worse than most. I have no right to portray myself as anything else, but only to share what I have found as a begger shares with another begger where he found bread.

Now I will step out of the pulpit and shut up. And being one of those Baptists I'll even do it without taking an offering! ;;D That is hard for one of us to do. ;;D

Jerry

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jan 27^th, 2008, 9:00am

on 01/26/08 at 08:33:45, Maffumatt wrote:

I'm happier with Jesus in my life. But thats just me.

I am too Matt.

Title: Re: Physical Therapist... how far should he go?
Post by sandie99 on Jan 27^th, 2008, 9:06am

My faith in God is important to me, but it's still private experience; I do not need to preach that to someone else. I talk about it at times, especially when someone asks, but that's it for me.