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(Message started by: Jonny on Jan 11th, 2008, 9:55pm)
Title: How much is to much government?
Post by Jonny on Jan 11th, 2008, 9:55pm
Are we really going to allow the goverment to tells us what we can and cannot eat?

http://washingtontimes.com/article/20071221/BUSINESS/172025204/1006

If I feel like drinking lard out of the fucking can....who the fuck has the right to tell me I cant?

Why dont the goverment ban cigarette selling?.......Tax dollars?

Whats next?.......can you come up with something that they will take away next?

This is what the goverment is doing to the American people (Watch closely)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f497bdc546

Clean your guns, get the millitia ready, its coming!  [smiley=bigguns.gif]
Title: Re: How much is to much goverment?
Post by M.R. on Jan 11th, 2008, 10:09pm
How is this for an entertaining thought

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321970,00.html

But there is a small hope for even California

http://www.saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=254

Mike
Title: Re: How much is to much goverment?
Post by Jonny on Jan 11th, 2008, 10:24pm
Sorry about the advert at the end, but this was to good not to post to this thread.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h1wS0_blGAw

Edit to add: "Government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem.
-Ronald Reagan
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Charlie on Jan 12th, 2008, 12:22am
Government is supposed to be afraid of us, not the other way around. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/red fist pound.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by BarbaraD on Jan 12th, 2008, 8:06am
We've been apathetic for WAAAY too long and now we're getting it from all sides.

Taxes have gotten totally out of hand. Our "elected" officials are "sneaking" these little taxes on us for everything that we do.

This year, (without any fanfare at all) I found out I have to be "registered" with the STATE (for a slight fee - thank you very much - of $50) to do income taxes.  Now I've already gone thru a screening process with the Feds and been doing this for about 100 years (at no charge - unless you want to count some "continuting" education at a fee) but now I have to PAY the state to practice!!!!!! We don't even have an income tax in Texas so what the hell does TX have to do with income TAX???

Now I can't have my trans fat to keep me going.... And they're gonna control the temp in my office -- what next????

The only good thing "they've" thought up lately is the new driver's license (for the illegal guest workers who actually get drivers license). I actually think this is a good idea. Of course the ACLU is against it, so it's got to be good!

Hugs BD
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by deltadarlin on Jan 12th, 2008, 9:46am
And yet another case of government gone wild

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/21/2113.asp
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by monty on Jan 12th, 2008, 12:45pm
How much government is too much??  Good question.

If restaurants are unsanitary and unhealthy, is that something government should take action on?  Or do we let the market fix the problem?  People will get sick from eating at place and learn to not eat at places that do make them sick. Word will get out, so there is absolutely no need for inspections and shutting down places that have rats and flies in the kitchen??

If a food outlet wants to fry food in motor oil, don't pass a law against it - let people decide??  Because motor oil is cheaper, and foods fried it in last longer, and many people like the taste, and business should be free to do as it pleases?

Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Turts on Jan 12th, 2008, 2:25pm

Quote:
California energy regulators are considering taking control of residents' thermostats, giving them the ability to control the temperatures of homes during energy crises, the New York Times reports


Where does this Big Brother thing stop?

Next the Californian Water board will control the flushing of all toilets in order to control water usage and to prevent overloading of the sewer systems.

No wonder governments are confiscating guns. they are scared that by confiscating cars, trans fats, controling thermostats and by what name you can call the "supervising adult whom takes care of you" i.e. mom or dad that ordinary folk make get a little upset with them.  
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by thebbz on Jan 12th, 2008, 3:36pm

Quote:
Clean your guns, get the millitia ready, its coming!  


I'm in.
thebb ;;D
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by andrewjb on Jan 12th, 2008, 3:39pm

on 01/12/08 at 14:25:47, Turts wrote:
Where does this Big Brother thing stop?

Next the Californian Water board will control the flushing of all toilets in order to control water usage and to prevent overloading of the sewer systems.

;;D, buy yours now.             http://www.rensup.com/Toilets/13286.htm?adsrc=9000002                   andrew.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Groov on Jan 12th, 2008, 3:44pm

on 01/12/08 at 15:36:26, thebbz wrote:
I'm in.
thebb ;;D



Been ready
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by karma on Jan 12th, 2008, 4:28pm

Quote:
Clean your guns, get the millitia ready, its coming!


Wishfull think, Nobody will do anything about gov't interference accept bitch, and then bitch some more.
Go ahead and bitch if it makes you feel better but gov't is betting that's as far as it will go.

someone will surely point out that the flag in the corner is Dutch. It is and I don't live in the U.S. but what happens there affects my family and my American passport so no need to play that card.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by thebbz on Jan 12th, 2008, 4:37pm
Can you own your own weapon in Dutch land?
Guns keep the politicians on their toes...he...he [smiley=laugh.gif]
thebb
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Groov on Jan 12th, 2008, 4:54pm

on 01/12/08 at 16:28:34, karma wrote:
Wishfull think, Nobody will do anything about gov't interference accept bitch, and then bitch some more.
Go ahead and bitch if it makes you feel better but gov't is betting that's as far as it will go.

someone will surely point out that the flag in the corner is Dutch. It is and I don't live in the U.S. but what happens there affects my family and my American passport so no need to play that card.


How do you know what each individual will do Karma?

 Yes, people will bitch a lot and things will undoubtedly get worse before something happens.  Most people are willing to try to make change by bitching. It is our guarantee under our Constitution. It is the way we try a first effort at peaceful change. Remember, we are here because you are there. No offense, just fact.

 Complaining and descent is our history & legacy...so is spilling the blood of tyrants. When people have had enough, the people will speak and act.

Just a question of time and how much is considered acceptable. Time & change have a way of making the reality of today evaporate and become something unrecognizable...know what I mean ;)

Regards, Dave
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by thebbz on Jan 12th, 2008, 5:00pm
;;D Bitched about tea for quite some time before they made some. ;;D
thebb
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by karma on Jan 12th, 2008, 5:07pm

Quote:
Remember, we are here because you are there. No offense, just fact.  

I don't have a clue what that means.

How do I know? There has been no significant protest against gov't since the 60's, 70's That generation(of which I am a part) is now making the rules.
ironic isn't it?
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Groov on Jan 12th, 2008, 5:15pm
Yes, it is ironic...you are right.

However, as I have said, people will take crap for so long before it becomes worse to live with it than to fight about it.

 Not just an American trait, a basic human trait...even YOU could be pushed too far.
For clarification purposed Karma, what I meant was that we are the ones who came here because living there sucked so bad we said: "I'm gonna get on a boat...maybe I'll die...but I've had enough"

The others stayed and allowed themselves to be oppressed.
That is OUR legacy.
Though it is true, many are domesticated..many are also of the same spirit of our ancestors.

 I still have faith in any mans sense of justice that he or she will rise above when there is no option for dialogue. I do not share your fatalistic view for myself. It is the fabric I am made from.

Believe or not, doesn't matter. I tell you no lies.
Cheers, Dave
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Jonny on Jan 12th, 2008, 5:28pm

on 01/12/08 at 16:28:34, karma wrote:
Wishfull think, Nobody will do anything about gov't interference accept bitch, and then bitch some more.
Go ahead and bitch if it makes you feel better but gov't is betting that's as far as it will go.


Thats what you think.....LOL

We did it before and we will do it again.....when the time comes!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tbCUGloMXSw&feature=related

And when the time comes do you really think the US armed forces are going to kill their brothers in the street like dogs?

They will join the militia and do whats right, because they ARE AMERICANS!!!
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Groov on Jan 12th, 2008, 5:34pm
Good point Jonny. And if they do...well I guess I am a dead man. Didn't think I would live forever anyways...no big deal.

As I said it is not a uniquely American trait, it is a question of balance.

Dave
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by thebbz on Jan 12th, 2008, 5:34pm
If you dont know your rights then you dont have any.
Right on Dave.
http://www.billofrightsinstitute.org/Instructional/Resources/FoundingDocuments/Docs/TheBillofRights.htm
There are politicians out there that dont seem to agree with our rights. This is why I have a gun....I can, that and it goes with my anti-terrorism plan. ;)
thebb
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Annette on Jan 12th, 2008, 6:04pm

Its all about money, the government doesnt ban cigarettes or alcohol because they get a huge amount of tax out of them.

However, they want to ban trans fat because they dont want people to develop heart disease and end up in government funded hospitals costing them money.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by thebbz on Jan 12th, 2008, 6:13pm
Yep just another case of the self serving policitian. ::)
thebb ;)
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by andrewjb on Jan 12th, 2008, 6:20pm


However, they want to ban trans fat because they dont want people to develop heart disease and end up in government funded hospitals costing them money. [/quote]             :), in it's self, not such a bad thing. andrew.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by thebbz on Jan 12th, 2008, 6:26pm
Hell no that ain't bad Anj. ;) I'm going to go eat some oatmeal and carrots now. [smiley=laugh.gif]
I think it's a choice of lifestyle. Not so much the lifesyle itself.
thebb
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Groov on Jan 12th, 2008, 6:45pm

on 01/12/08 at 18:20:37, andrewjb wrote:
However, they want to ban trans fat because they dont want people to develop heart disease and end up in government funded hospitals costing them money.              :), in it's self, not such a bad thing. andrew.



Ever as jaded as I am Andrew, there remains the possibility that they are actually trying to limit waste in Govt. funded hospitals.

If this is true, it is good.

The problem we would have is the un-Constitutional precedent it sets to allow the Feds. to just come in and mandate what we can & cant eat.

Always viewing these type of mandates as a "slippery-slope"...we often garner the attention of the nay-sayers who attempt to classify us as "alarmists"

Conversely, I view these type of actions as very detrimental to our supposed lifestyle of Freedom.

 I am often saddened by the apathy exhibited by so many Americans as it relates to such behavior in Gooberment....sigh
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Annette on Jan 12th, 2008, 7:03pm

Do you cook Andrew? Do you know why certain food taste good? Its because of trans fat.

True, too much trans fat is not good for you, but no trans fat at all is not good for you either.

The problem I have with a government that bans all transfat in food outlet is the amount of control they have. Their role should be to educate the people, the consumers as well as the service/good providers, then have enough respect for its citizens to make up their own minds.

I would like to have the freedom to eat "unhealthy" food every now and then if I so wish.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by DonnaH_again on Jan 12th, 2008, 8:03pm
Too much is when the people have no voice in the decisions being made by government.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by monty on Jan 12th, 2008, 8:19pm

on 01/12/08 at 19:03:21, Annette wrote:
True, too much trans fat is not good for you, but no trans fat at all is not good for you either.


That is ridiculous. Trans-fats do not occur in nature. Humans managed to evolve without them very nicely, and it was only recently that they were added to the diet.  

Trans fats raise total cholesterol while lowering good cholesterol. They impair insulin sensitivity. They are associated with intra-abdominal deposition of fat.  They can increase levels of C-reactive protein.

The only thing that can be said in favor of these fats is that they do not spoil as rapidly as natural cis-fats. Which makes them good for frying things in, or for baking cookies with a 2 year shelf life. In terms of health, they are inferior to naturally occurring fats.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by brewcrew on Jan 12th, 2008, 8:36pm

on 01/12/08 at 20:03:23, DonnaH_again wrote:
Too much is when the people have no voice in the decisions being made by government.

But that would be never with a democratically elected, representative republic, like the USA.

You see the quandry - we elect every single bozo.

Apathy and ignorance at the ballot box is the true enemy. I do not see it being overcome.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by DonnaH_again on Jan 12th, 2008, 8:42pm
Then we should all stop voting until we get candidates that really stand for what we need, and mean it.

That's the answer.........let's all just not vote.

I nominate Charley.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by brewcrew on Jan 12th, 2008, 8:43pm

on 01/12/08 at 20:19:36, monty wrote:
That is ridiculous. Trans-fats do not occur in nature. Humans managed to evolve without them very nicely, and it was only recently that they were added to the diet.  

Trans fats raise total cholesterol while lowering good cholesterol. They impair insulin sensitivity. They are associated with intra-abdominal deposition of fat.  They can increase levels of C-reactive protein.

The only thing that can be said in favor of these fats is that they do not spoil as rapidly as natural cis-fats. Which makes them good for frying things in, or for baking cookies with a 2 year shelf life. In terms of health, they are inferior to naturally occurring fats.

What, exactly, is your special purpose on this board? Do you suffer from CH? Are you a supporter? If you introduced yourself on the "Getting to Know Ya" board, I missed it. You sure do seem to know a little bit about a lot of things, but I'm not sensing that CH is one of them.

What is your deal, monty?
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Annette on Jan 12th, 2008, 9:10pm

on 01/12/08 at 20:19:36, monty wrote:
That is ridiculous. Trans-fats do not occur in nature. Humans managed to evolve without them very nicely, and it was only recently that they were added to the diet.  

Trans fats raise total cholesterol while lowering good cholesterol. They impair insulin sensitivity. They are associated with intra-abdominal deposition of fat.  They can increase levels of C-reactive protein.

The only thing that can be said in favor of these fats is that they do not spoil as rapidly as natural cis-fats. Which makes them good for frying things in, or for baking cookies with a 2 year shelf life. In terms of health, they are inferior to naturally occurring fats.



Indeed, human managed to evolve nicely without a lot of things such as electricity and clean water too. Maybe we shouldnt have these "luxuries" in our lives either ?

Naturally occuring fat such as animal saturated fat dont clog up arteries and impair insulin sensitivity?

And yes trans fat does occur in nature, its present in the meat of ruminants such as cows, goats, sheeps, deers etc. Its also present in fresh diary milk.

Get your facts straight!


Edited for spelling
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by deltadarlin on Jan 12th, 2008, 10:07pm
Well, it does seem that in the Netherlands, *private* gun ownership (unless you belong to a hunting or shooting club and even then, it must be a sports weapon) is prohibited.

Does anyone find it odd that many of those countries with bans on gun ownership have the highest rates of murder?

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/Gun-Ownership.htm

Excerpt form the above piece:  For example, handguns are outlawed in Luxembourg, and gun ownership extremely rare, yet its murder rate is nine times greater than in Germany, which has one of the highest gun ownership rates in Europe.  As another example, Hungary's murder rate is nearly three times higher than nearby Austria's, but Austria's gun ownership rate is over eight times higher than Hungary's.  "Norway," they note, "has far and away Western Europe's highest household gun ownership rate (32%), but also its lowest murder rate.  The Netherlands," in contrast, "has the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe (1.9%) ... yet the Dutch gun murder rate is higher than the Norwegian."  
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by brewcrew on Jan 12th, 2008, 10:20pm

on 01/12/08 at 22:07:45, deltadarlin wrote:
Does anyone find it odd that many of those countries with bans on gun ownership have the highest rates of murder?

Counter-intuitive? Perhaps.

Odd? Certainly not.

Criminals don't give a rat's ass whether or not the act of possessing a gun is illegal. Their plans are much more diabolical. Law abiding citizens who own guns only use them for lawful purposes - like target practice, hunting, and defending themselves from criminals who have guns.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by deltadarlin on Jan 12th, 2008, 10:31pm
brew,
Didn't you *hear* my sarcasm?
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by brewcrew on Jan 12th, 2008, 10:37pm

on 01/12/08 at 22:31:52, deltadarlin wrote:
brew,
Didn't you *hear* my sarcasm?

I must have missed it. Sorry. The question I quoted looked pretty straight-forward. But knowing you as I do, I should have thought a little more - then I would have gotten it.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by monty on Jan 12th, 2008, 11:03pm
There is a very small amount of a few types of trans fats that do occur in beef - but these chemically are quite different from industrially hydrogenated oils. Conjugated linoleic acid in milk and meat is technically a trans fat, but (unlike hydrogenated fats), it can have a number of beneficial effects on the human body.  So I was slightly wrong, and stand corrected.

But you were further off the mark in stating that "no trans fat at all is not good for you either."  Especially in the context of a discussion of banning hydrogenated trans fats, which are NOT considered a nutritional requirement or beneficial for health.  These hydrogenated foods are put into processed foods for aesthetic, not health reasons.

Saturated fats may or may not be unhealthy, depending on the type and amount, as well as other foods in the diet. In large amounts, they are a risk. Combined with lots of carbs, they can increase various heart diseases.

Electricity, clean water, and trans fats?  Arguing for modern toxins because they are modern (like some other good things) is silly. Why not put polychlorinated biphenyls and dioxin on the list of good things? Or methamphetamine?  
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by chewy on Jan 12th, 2008, 11:11pm
My pop corn needs more butter.  8)
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by DonnaH_again on Jan 12th, 2008, 11:23pm
My McDonalds fries need to be a little crisper.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by monty on Jan 12th, 2008, 11:47pm

on 01/12/08 at 22:07:45, deltadarlin wrote:
Does anyone find it odd that many of those countries with bans on gun ownership have the highest rates of murder?


Yes, because - carefully chosen apple-orange comparison can give that conclusion. Norway should be compared to Sweden, Denmark, Iceland and Finland - other countries with similar economies and social structures which have more controls on firearms, but which still have murder/violent crime levels that are similar to Norway.

Likewise, comparing Hungary to Austria makes little sense. Hungary is a former Soviet Bloc country, with much more poverty and social turmoil than Austria.  

And it also surprises me because the murder rate in the United States (5.7 per 100,000) is much higher than Sweden (1.3 per 100,000), when 39% of American homes have guns, but only 15% of Swedish homes do.  Shouldn't twice as many guns lead to half as many homicides?

A more reasonable conclusion from looking at the international  (or US state by state) data is that gun ownership and gun control laws have relatively little influence on violent crime one way or the other. If a place is poor, corrupt, has high unemployment and widespread alcohol and drug problems, then it generally has violent crime, regardless.  


Quote:
The purpose of this study is to statistically and empirically evaluate the effectiveness of the gun control laws that have been adopted by states and municipalities. States are divided into two groups: states with no restrictions as to gun use and states with restrictions (e.g., waiting periods, license, etc.). Multiple linear regression models are used to evaluate the relationship between the number of gun related deaths in 1990 and sets of determinants which include state laws and regulations governing the use of firearms. The study results indicate that gun control laws have a very mild effect on the number of gun related deaths while socioeconomic variables such as a state's poverty level, unemployment rate and alcohol consumption, have significant impact on firearm related deaths.

The Effectiveness of Gun Control Laws: Multivariate Statistical Analysis
Ik-Whan G. Kwon, Bradley Scott, Scott R. Safranski, Muen Bae
American Journal of Economics and Sociology, Vol. 56, No. 1 (Jan., 1997), pp. 41-50


What has happened to violent crime rates in the US in the past 35 years or so?  It has gone down, dramatically in many places. Can gun ownership or gun laws explain this?? No.  
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Jimi on Jan 12th, 2008, 11:57pm

Quote:
That is ridiculous


Monty, if you disagree with Annettes post, just say that I disagree. Don't have to say that what she is saying is ridiculous. You may apologize now. >:(
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by monty on Jan 13th, 2008, 12:09am

on 01/12/08 at 20:43:19, brewcrew wrote:
What, exactly, is your special purpose on this board? Do you suffer from CH? Are you a supporter? If you introduced yourself on the "Getting to Know Ya" board, I missed it. You sure do seem to know a little bit about a lot of things, but I'm not sensing that CH is one of them.

What is your deal, monty?


And who are you to question me?  Starting with some of my first posts, you have popped up to insult me.  Is that the greeting that all newcomers get, or only the ones that don't pass your political attitude tests? Or maybe you don't like my name?  Doesn't matter either way.

You are welcome to 'sense' or feel that I don't know anything about clusters, which simply proves that you don't know anything about me.


Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by monty on Jan 13th, 2008, 12:11am

on 01/12/08 at 23:57:50, Jimi wrote:
Monty, if you disagree with Annettes post, just say that I disagree. Don't have to say that what she is saying is ridiculous. You may apologize now. >:(


I apologize. The statement did not deserve ridicule, so I should not have used the term ridiculous.  I do disagree with her statement, and do not feel it is supported by the facts.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Annette on Jan 13th, 2008, 1:18am

Thank you Jimi and thank you Monty for the apology. I do enjoy a healthy debate but when things get personal no matter how good the argument is its hard to maintain respect.

When I said no trans fat at all is not good I was thinking literally all types of trans fat, including those in meat and dairy products. If one is to maintain a diet strictly without any trans fat one will have to avoid most meat and milk, and that is not good.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Charlie on Jan 13th, 2008, 1:38am
There are some good things that came out of the New Deal like the Federal Reserve and the FDA that have done more good than harm. Still, you don't have to go nuts. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/chemist.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by andrewjb on Jan 13th, 2008, 2:46am

on 01/12/08 at 19:03:21, Annette wrote:
Do you cook Andrew? Do you know why certain food taste good? Its because of trans fat.

True, too much trans fat is not good for you, but no trans fat at all is not good for you either.

The problem I have with a government that bans all transfat in food outlet is the amount of control they have. Their role should be to educate the people, the consumers as well as the service/good providers, then have enough respect for its citizens to make up their own minds.

I would like to have the freedom to eat "unhealthy" food every now and then if I so wish.

:), sorry for the delay. yes i cook, indeed i trained to be a chef. i steer clear of trans fats, far too prosessed for me. andrew.                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Annette on Jan 13th, 2008, 6:17am

Thats wonderful Andrew  :)

As a professional, what would you recommend we can use instead of trans fat to cook certain dishes, especially to deep fry, to maintain the taste and texture of the food without the bad fat ?
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by LeLimey on Jan 13th, 2008, 7:39am
Why can't we just know what fat's a restaurant is using and vote with our feet as consumers?

If people WANT trans fat's they'll eat there and if they don't - they won't.

Whatever happend to personal choice and yikes, God forbid, common sense???

Personally the best fries I've ever had were in Cyprus where they used Olive oil to deep fry them in - God they were gorgeous!

This is just another government hobby horse and while we're all yelling about this they'll sneak eleven other bills in under our noses and we won't even see it. Spin doctoring at it's very best.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Groov on Jan 13th, 2008, 9:00am

on 01/12/08 at 23:47:04, monty wrote:
A more reasonable conclusion from looking at the international  (or US state by state) data is that gun ownership and gun control laws have relatively little influence on violent crime one way or the other. If a place is poor, corrupt, has high unemployment and widespread alcohol and drug problems, then it generally has violent crime, regardless.    



I agree, that is common sense that has escaped some people for a long time now.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by brewcrew on Jan 13th, 2008, 9:03am

on 01/13/08 at 00:09:27, monty wrote:
And who are you to question me?  Starting with some of my first posts, you have popped up to insult me.  Is that the greeting that all newcomers get, or only the ones that don't pass your political attitude tests? Or maybe you don't like my name?  Doesn't matter either way.

You are welcome to 'sense' or feel that I don't know anything about clusters, which simply proves that you don't know anything about me.

There is no insult in what I wrote - perhaps you are just a wee bit paranoid. What I do know is that you post little to nothing about CH on a CH support site then get bent out of shape when questioned about it.

Perhaps the lady doth protest too much....
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by Groov on Jan 13th, 2008, 9:05am

on 01/13/08 at 07:39:11, LeLimey wrote:
This is just another government hobby horse and while we're all yelling about this they'll sneak eleven other bills in under our noses and we won't even see it. Spin doctoring at it's very best.



That one really annoys me Helen.

They do that here all the time. That is, pass a bill called...say...: The child protection bill maybe something good pertaining to keeping kids safe from abusive parents.

THEN, right along with it pass some crap about allocating huge funds for something completely unrelated. Having been hidden within the very bill people think was good, it angers people when they find out that they have been deceived.

They're dishonest crooks...just another reason for me to feel the way I do about politicians.

Dave
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by brewcrew on Jan 13th, 2008, 10:28am

on 01/13/08 at 00:09:27, monty wrote:
And who are you to question me?

....you don't know anything about me.

One more thing - this is Jerry Springer, trailer trash talk. I hope you weren't doing the head-bob-and-weave when you wrote this.

C'mon. This is far beneath an intellect of your stature.
Title: Re: How much is to much government?
Post by andrewjb on Jan 13th, 2008, 12:05pm

on 01/13/08 at 06:17:23, Annette wrote:
Thats wonderful Andrew  :)

As a professional, what would you recommend we can use instead of trans fat to cook certain dishes, especially to deep fry, to maintain the taste and texture of the food without the bad fat ?

:), not motor oil. but any good vegitable oil, as long as its hot enough to seal in the flavour. trans fats were developed to prolong shelf life of processed foods, with not a thought of our shelf life. andrew


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