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(Message started by: tim_s on Nov 28^th, 2003, 5:16pm)

Title: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this time
Post by tim_s on Nov 28^th, 2003, 5:16pm

hi folks I'm new to this group but have been a clusterhead for about 20 yers. I had been pf for about a year and a half and monday night it came back but this time my teeth on the upper right feel like there going to pop out of my gums during a CH . has any one had this type of pain during a CH and if so , is there anything to ease it .

Please Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by Prense on Nov 28^th, 2003, 5:26pm

I have never had unexplained pain in my teeth/jaw.

Welcome aboard though Tim!

I have heard others complain about jaw/teeth pain though...you should get some replys soon.

Chris

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by jonny on Nov 28^th, 2003, 5:31pm

See the orange nerve that turns yellow and runs down to the teeth?....Thats the CH pain nerve, thats why your teeth hurt. I cant advise you on that cause it never happen to me but stick around, the family will will be by soon and clue you in.

http://tinyurl.com/wxjd

..........................jonny

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by brain_cramps on Nov 28^th, 2003, 5:40pm

For months after my last cycle, I had bad pain on the right upper jaw from the molars around to the front. At first, I was worried that it was a problem with my teeth but why would ALL of those teeth start to hurt at the same time?

About 3 months after my cycle, the pain went away. I still have some teeth that are sore, but those are because of dental work that actually needs to be done.

The trigeminal nerve runs right along the upper jaw (I thought until I took a closer look LOL) and apparently its not uncommon for it to "mask itself" as problems with your teeth.

Like with anything else, you probably should your teeth checked out.

grant

Thanks for the pic, jonny. I got the same one around here somewhere but ya beat me to it.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by ClusterChuck on Nov 28^th, 2003, 6:01pm

Hi, Tim! Welcome to the ~~nuthouse~~ family! Sorry you have to be here, but this is the best place for information.

The pain you describe is exactly like I get, when I get a bad hit (KIP6 or higher). When I started with this "mere headache" (about 25 years ago) I did not have the teeth pain. It started about four years ago for me. I had all my teeth checked, and they are fine. As Grant says, above, it is a good idea to have them checked, just in case.

For me, the only thing that stops the pain, is the end of that particular hit, wether it is using an abortive (oxygen works for me) or just the end of the hit, that is the only thing I have found to stop the pain in the teeth.

Welcome aboard, and tell us more about you. We are a ~~nosey~~ caring and inquisitive group. We like to know about our family members.

Chuck

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by floridian on Nov 28^th, 2003, 7:20pm

Tim,

I've had that pain. Jonny's graphic shows our problem nerve very well, and all branches can get berserk in a cluster headache. Most commonly, it is that one spot behind the eye, but I have had several headaches where I could feel the pain crawl down the nerve into my jaw and teeth. It ain't fun, but for the most part, its no different than the pain in a 'normal' cluster.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by Paigelle on Nov 28^th, 2003, 7:21pm

Teeth hurt on CH side. Jaw is also sore. Today jaw is almost locked.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by jonny on Nov 28^th, 2003, 7:25pm

on 11/28/03 at 19:21:07, Paigelle wrote:

Today jaw is almost locked.

TMJ...or is it TJM?

Ive seen countless clusterheads over the last four years saying they have that also....its a jaw thing that has a name.....anyone help me out with the name?

................................jonny

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by Paigelle on Nov 28^th, 2003, 7:33pm

TMJ - tempomandibular joint syndrome

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by jonny on Nov 28^th, 2003, 7:35pm

Bingo!!

Its something to rule out.

....................................jonny

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by Paigelle on Nov 28^th, 2003, 7:37pm

Dr told me not closely related to the CH, except that you get so tense when you have one that you might clench the hell out of your jaws and that is what will cause the problem.

I clench my jaws with a wicked CH and that is why I can't move my mouth too much today.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by Prense on Nov 28^th, 2003, 7:39pm

on 11/28/03 at 19:33:46, Paigelle wrote:

TMJ - tempomandibular joint syndrome

Or TN (I forget what it stands for)...supposedly it is right up there with CH on the pain scale. However, it is controllable.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by Paigelle on Nov 28^th, 2003, 7:48pm

Jaw pain not close to CH. Jaw pain comes from just being tense. Dentist told me one time to drink a glass of wine before going to bed and it would relieve it. Well, it relieves the jaw problem, but if I am in cycle it will trigger a big hit.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by OneEyeBlind on Nov 28^th, 2003, 8:53pm

I get the teeth pain. Try a hot rag on your face, it helps me alleviate some of the pain.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by jonny on Nov 28^th, 2003, 9:02pm

Welcome back, Nan ;;D

Good to see ya.

..................................jonny

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by floridian on Nov 28^th, 2003, 9:44pm

Quote:

Or TN (I forget what it stands for)...supposedly it is right up there with CH on the pain scale. However, it is controllable.

TN stands for Tennessee. I have to drive through it when I go from Florida back to the Midwest. It's actually kind of nice.

Oh, Trigeminal Neuralgia?? Yeah, actually, the description of TN is more like somebody in another post just used to describe their head pain - electric zaps or some such. Its the same nerve as in the picture, but has different symptoms and causes. In a sense, clusters are a type of TN, which is a fancy way of saying nerve pain. But cluster headaches are a very specific type of trigeminal nerve pain.

More on TN here: http://www.tna-support.org/Definition.htm

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by 12gagueblast on Nov 28^th, 2003, 10:54pm

I unfortunately get tooth pain also. CH is on the left side and the left rear molars/wisdom tooth area sometimes hurts alot, when i am having a CH. Pain is gone after the CH tho. This is only on the bad ones tho. If it is really bad the inside of my ear, lower jaw and upper rear teeth. What a frickin treat. Doesn't happen except on the really bad ones tho. Don't think mine is related to teeth clenching. The pain is like the CH itself, the pain of it is gone when the "headache" is gone.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by K. on Nov 28^th, 2003, 10:58pm

As mentioned in this thread and shown in the picture jonny posted, the nerve is called the Trigeminal nerve. It has 3 main branches that supply sensation to the face, sinuses and teeth. It has a motor branch that supplies the muscles used in chewing food. It's all connected and so the pain is most likely due to the CH. I don't know why some cycles are different than others but I guess I just wanted to tell you to not be worried if your teeth hurt unless you really feel that something is wrong with your teeth. I think it's just the beast stompin' on your head.
Hope you're PF soon!
K.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by BlueMeanie on Nov 29^th, 2003, 6:11am

Welcome Tim_S

I get pain on the upper right side of my teeth. It usually only happens when I get KIP 9 & 10's.
It takes a couple hours after the attack to go away.
It is really not that bad for me, just annoying as Hell.
I just had back to back 10's with about 2 1/2 hr. break in between hits. My teeth are hurting right now but not as bad as my head.
It feels like a mild electric shock to the teeth. Kinda zaps me in sinc with my heartbeat.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by mikeyd on Nov 29^th, 2003, 7:21am

yep, my teeth hurt during and after CH too, but only the bad ones...from clenching teeth and the big fat nasty nerve that's the topic of discussion..sometimes I'm sure I've pushed my molars halfway back into the jawbone from clenching my teeth.
Go ahead... [smiley=biggrin.gif]stick your finger in there and see what happens...hehehe [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by jadedgazer on Nov 29^th, 2003, 8:50am

I have a lot of jaw and teeth pain, hurts like the dickens. I can totally relate with you. I haven't found anything yet to help ease it. I have had my teeth checked and nothing there. I think it is just part of the CH's. My teeth don't hurt with every ha though. Just randomly.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by Cluster_head on Nov 29^th, 2003, 11:17am

My teeth also hurt during an attack. Especially the upper wisdom tooth that was pulled about five years ago. Figure that one out ;)

Probably ghost pain or something.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by Prense on Nov 29^th, 2003, 11:29am

on 11/29/03 at 11:17:55, Cluster_head wrote:

Especially the upper wisdom tooth that was pulled about five years ago. Figure that one out

They just remove the tooth, not the nerve it was attached to. They can screw up and damage that nerve though...you'd know if they did.

Title: Re: my teeth didnt hurt last cycle but are this ti
Post by thomas on Nov 29^th, 2003, 2:59pm

Yes to the tooth pain. As far as getting rid of it? - Aborting the ch usually works for me.