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Title: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Mar 26th, 2005, 2:31pm Anyone who wants to donate items to be Auctioned off (all proceeds going to OUCH) and door prizes to be given away at the convention please contact me or post here. Anything to large to be carried on a plane can be sent to me ahead of time and I will bring it to the convention. DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by LeLimey on Mar 26th, 2005, 3:27pm Okay I have a husband, three kids and a farting beagle to offload.. ;) Seriously, if anyone can think of anything in particular from here that would make a good prize let me know! Anyone want a Charles and Camilla commerative mug?! [smiley=hurl.gif] |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Gator on Mar 26th, 2005, 5:09pm I'll try to make a few things in the woodworking shop to auction off. Probably a hanging quilt rack, a chess/checker board and a few other small things. Samples of my work can be seen at http://www.brightok.net/~mnjday/mikewood.htm |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Mar 26th, 2005, 5:54pm What great ideas and such talent Mike!!! I love seeing things come together! I'll be saving up auction money you can best believe it! |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by nani on Mar 26th, 2005, 6:07pm Nice stuff, Mike... :) I have a small bath and bodycare business. I can make up some gift baskets of soaps, lotions, bath ols and salts. Donna...let me know how many you want. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Mar 28th, 2005, 5:42pm Nani, However many you can spare...and a starting price for the auction ;) Helen, as long as it isn't any of that wierd food...LOL. Anything would be appreciated!! Mike, That sounds GREAT!! You are one talented lug ya know that? Thanks to everyone!! DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by E-Double on Mar 29th, 2005, 7:02pm I can offer up my services as a behavior analyst and modify a luck person's behavior ;;D or their spouses ;) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 3rd, 2005, 4:34pm Just out of curiosity. What will the proceeds be used for? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 3rd, 2005, 5:31pm on 03/26/05 at 14:31:24, Donna_D. wrote:
Does that answer your question Don? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 3rd, 2005, 8:17pm No it doesn't. OUCH will do what with the proceeds? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Apr 4th, 2005, 8:54am on 04/03/05 at 20:17:28, don wrote:
The money raised from the auctions will go into the general fund to further the goals and missions of OUCH. Whatever it is spent on, I am sure there will be receipts. DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 8:55am Quote:
That is what my boss calls "sufficiently vague". A politically correct answer that answers nothing. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:14am Don, As you are no longer a member of OUCH and have already stated that you are not coming to the convention, could it be that your concern arises due to the fact that you are donating something for auction? If anyone has any questions concerning funds raised from the OUCH auction at the convention I will be happy to answer them privately. I will not play this game today. DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 1:10pm This isn't a game. If your asking for peoples money then you should explain what it is being used for. Want new or renewed membership than stop being the secret society. What is OUCH doing for sufferers that warrants the money? I dont think you have an answer. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 4th, 2005, 1:20pm on 04/04/05 at 09:14:07, Donna_D. wrote:
I agree with Don. I think he asked a very valid question. Why it it considered a game and why do questions have to be answered privately? Isn't OUCH a public charity? Whether Don's still a member of OUCH has absolutely no bearing on this at all. So, if you need a member of OUCH U.S. to pose questions regarding funding uses, I'll pose the same question on his behalf. I'm not going to convention either though, so I hope that doesn't preclude me from getting an answer. Why the friggin secrecy? WTF has OUCH U.S. become? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 3:48pm Quote:
Its not a question of fiscal responsibilty, its ethical responsibility. What is OUCH doing to fullfill it's mission and it's pledge to sufferers that warrants soliciting funds? Answer someones questions in private? Why private? Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 8:57pm Any and all questions concerning OUCH and it's activities should be posed on the OUCH board is the meaning of this. Nothing more nothing less... This is CH.com..not OUCH Let business issues be handled there. to add: Don, if you are no longer a member of OUCH then what it does with the funds is not any of your concern now is it? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:08pm OK now my offering for the auction is going to be a 2.5 lb brick of award winning WI super sharp cheddar cheese... There will be no freebies this year but for the one block i will bring to share... you want take home you are gonna need to put up or shut up! and Yes that means YOU TOO Jonny! [smiley=winkkiss.gif] |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:17pm Quote:
Then why are you soliciting here? Quote:
It is when sufferers are being decieved into believing something is being done with the funds to benefit them when it isn't apparant that anything is. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:22pm Lets see....business questions on the OUCH board is not that difficult a concept to grasp is it Don? You want answers ask them where they belong. As far as convention activities this is the thread to post that to and is totally appropriate, and anyone who has questions regarding the work OUCH is doing is more than welcome to come to that forum and ask. Rather simple isn't it? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:28pm Quote:
Rather simply stated by OUCH. Quote:
Unless you belong to the secret society you cant do that. Quote:
Anyone? I dont think so. Quote:
Fairly standard condescending remark from OUCH. Now thats the way to bring in members. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by purpleydog on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:33pm on 04/04/05 at 21:22:15, Redd715 wrote:
http://www.clusterheadaches.org/ Feel free to join and ask any questions you like. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:36pm Why would someone join an organization before they know what it is about and what it is doing. Been to that website lately? Check the dates. What New...........Last entry: Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by purpleydog on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:40pm on 03/26/05 at 14:31:24, Donna_D. wrote:
Don, you are taking comments out of context. Please be more specific. "please contact me or post here" was not an invitaion by OUCH to ask questions here about OUCH business, it was a direction given for contacting an OUCH member in regard to donations for items to be given away or auctioned off at the convention. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:42pm on 04/04/05 at 21:28:22, don wrote:
OUCH business will be conducted on the OUCH boards. NOT here. Activities of the organization will be posted where and when appropriate. Anyone is welcome to join Don. I've yet to see anyone turned away. Who chooses to stay to to leave is totally of their own choosing and it has been that way since it's inception. So nothing has really changed. At least in that fashion. For OUCH to conduct itself as any other NP org would, to promote it's activities for thoise who choose to partisipate in a public forum is appropriate. To discuss business is left for the inner works. Look at the United Way or any other truely effective NP Org. Business will be conducted on clusterheadaches.org...end of discussion. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:42pm Quote:
Not much to take out of context there is there? Quote:
There is a key word in there. Quote:
For you maybe. Does OUCH now have a Minister of Information ? Seems to me the original post left you wide open for discussion, comments, and rebuttal. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:56pm I'll not say this again Don. I'm more than willing to discuss this with you but in the correct forum. Take it to the OUCH board or leave it alone. I will NOT enter into a pissing match with you here. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 9:59pm Doesn't have to be. Blow away the smoke, knock down the mirrors and just simply answer the original simple question. Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:00pm On the OUCH board. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:02pm Cant. I'm not a member. I like to know whos operating an organization before I join it. Cant even find that out with out joining first. Do you find that a little strange? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:04pm On the OUCH board. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:06pm Quote:
I dont even know who I'm talking with. OUCH officer? Who knows? OUCH BOD? Who knows? OUCH PR Person? Who knows? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:10pm If you are interested in the info, then join, you can always unjoin again Don, you are good at that. Commitment is not your strong suit is it? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:12pm Quote:
Not to an ineffective borderline fraudulant organization such as OUCH. Lose the cloak of secrecy and the smoke and mirrors and I commit. Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:17pm I Do represent it well... in the forum it belongs in. You have two choices Don...step up to the plate or bow out gracefully. I know, not the usual mannor of former officers, but you know what...things change...always will... get used to it. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:20pm Quote:
Oh they changed alright. Quote:
The third choice is to challenge OUCH to produce. But you dont seem to get that. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:26pm Guess you won't know till you become a member again then will you? Your loss. to add: take it to the OUCH board or not...your choice I'm not going to engage further here....period. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:27pm Quote:
Another good message to potential members. We are not going to tell you anything unless you join. From what I see of OUCH, what isn't behind the vault doors, I lose nothing because there is nothing to gain in the first place. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 4th, 2005, 10:39pm Guess you are the official spokes person for the masses? You know where to find me. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 4th, 2005, 11:30pm Quote:
I think more than OUCH cares to admit. But then again. OUCH doesn't admit to much. This thread is evidence of that. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by LeLimey on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:00am Surely OUCH needs money just to keep going? There are website fees and expenses for stationery/ phone bills etc surely? I imagine OUCH needs to rainse money just to continue operating and trying to raise CH awareness. Even if people give there time which I know they do OUCH should surely be covering their out of pocket expenses at the very least?? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:58am I was wrong to say that any questions would be answered privately. I am human and I let emotion stand in the way of reason. It is hard not to take things personally when so much of my person goes into the work I glady do for OUCH and its members. I will be glad to answer any questions on the OUCH board where all OUCH business belongs. As a favor, I would ask that we maintain business-like manners concerning OUCH. I have sent out approximately 100 letters to solicit sponsorship for the convention. (Helen, this is where some of those expenses come in ;) .) The letters contain the clusterheadaches.com and .org addresses. These sponsors are checking out our sites. Play nice...PLEASE!! I don't want all of this effort to be for naught! From the archives. http://www.clusterheadaches.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=23&post=1011#POST1011 http://www.clusterheadaches.org/cgi-bin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=23&post=1174#POST1174 I am here to serve CH sufferers and supporters. I hope that we can continue on with the original topic of this thread and raise money so that OUCH can facilitate research via funding to the medical community. Thank you. I am donating some really cool icepacks as door prizes. I gave Gator one...he says he likes it! DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:43am Quote:
Took 41 posts to get an answer. Thanks Donna. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:50am So, now that I answered... What are you donating to the auction? ;) DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:54am My speedo. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:58am Perfect! We can pair it with Chuck's pink thong from Nashville and sell it as a collectors edition!! Do I hear a bid of $10.00? DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 5th, 2005, 7:06am Quote:
OUCH has a fiduciary obligation to it's members. You admit you are not a member. I am not a member of the United Way, nor the Red Cross, but I trust that the BoD and Officers of both Orgs. are using any and all contributions I make during their fund raising activities to further their goals and objectives. The same holds true with OUCH. DD posted your own comments regarding OUCH business at CH.com. I had hoped it didn't have to come down to that, and that my comments may have sparked your memory enough. Don, please don't take this as a personal attack because it wasn't intended as such. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Apr 5th, 2005, 7:08am 8 dollars? DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 7:09am Quote:
A deadening silence Pins dropping The sound of crickets and a hoot owl Anxious glances around the room Lysol being sprayed At least I can figure out who they are: United Way http://national.unitedway.org/aboutuwa/board.cfm Red Cross http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/section_finances_and_budget?OpenDocument |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Apr 5th, 2005, 7:13am I just received a bid by telephone.... It seems Lance has placed the first and only bid thus far! Do I hear $10.01 ;;D DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 7:23am Lance? He's just a spotter for Jonny. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Donna_D. on Apr 5th, 2005, 7:53am He needs a new "work uniform" ;;D http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/104155.jpg DD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by nani on Apr 5th, 2005, 8:27am Um, I'll pass on the speedos. What's the opening bid on Pegg's cheese? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 5th, 2005, 10:02am following "protocol" ::) I posted this over at the OUCH website but felt it needed to be seen here as well. "I am appalled!" After reading that thread on ch.com that Don asked a simple question as to how proceeds from the auction would be spent, I have to say that I am completely appalled at the schoolyard behaviour that ensued. He raises a very good point for people that are not members and it was completely glossed over and missed. He was directed to ask OUCH questions here and ONLY here. If someone isn't an OUCH member, how CAN they ask questions and make their decision as to join? There has to be some public relations and common courtesy extended in cooperation with ch.com. Ch.com is the entry point for most clusterheads and that's where OUCH officials should start educating the new arrivals. Drawing a line in the sand and saying "No. I won't answer your question. You didn't ask it in the right place" and then repeating that sentiment ad nauseum has to be the most childish response I've seen yet. Donna, thank you for finally answering Don's question and for your maturity in that thread. Please understand that my complaint in that thread wasn't directed at you, personally. I continue, however, to be frustrated with the veil of secrecy that has fallen over OUCH and I took it out on you. My apologies to you, Donna. I think you do consistently show the spirit that should drive OUCH. Answering questions directly and treating past-presidents with a little respect is going to go a lot further to promote OUCH than treating them as if they are errant children. Steve Lichens, Don Young and Bob Pahlow all brought their individual strengths to OUCH during their tenures and each one of them helped this organization get through the growing pains of the moment. But now, all three are treated as if their IQ's diminished when they left office. What's wrong with this picture? Oh and I'm going to post this on ch.com as well, to show MY respect for past-president Young and in an effort to keep him in this elite loop of this secret society that OUCH U.S. has become. edited to add: Donna, what kind of research is the money being used for? I'm asking this as an honest question with no ulterior motive. As an officer and director of OUCH Canada myself, I'd really also like to know what research projects are out there and if we (OUCH Canada) can investigate similar programs in Canada. (I'm posting this here on ch.com for those folks who haven't yet joined an OUCH.) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by seasonalboomer on Apr 5th, 2005, 10:43am Sounds like everyone needs a glyco-donut.... |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 5th, 2005, 1:52pm Quote:
It won't go to Goadsby. When they decided to give some bucks to MAPS (at Dan's insistance) I figured they were going philanthropic on us so I suggested a like donation to Goadsby's research. I was told there would be no more donations until they figured out what their financial situation was. Ho-hum! Maybe it will pay the BoD's way to the convention or something. Heck, there are no Treasurer Reports for May thru October 2004 and none for 2005. Maybe someone already took the money and ran. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 2:09pm Looks like the original simple question that took 43 posts to answer wasn't so out of line after all. While I'm at it. Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 5th, 2005, 2:18pm Quote:
Yes. I got one from a BoD member a few months back, asking me to be nice. Guess it didn't work. Quote:
It's only a year and a half out of date. I think they were talking about buying a new website. I think they want a nice one for the important people to visit and the regular one for us members. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 2:28pm Quote:
Did the call come at 3 AM from an untracable pay phone on the outskirts of town? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 5th, 2005, 2:36pm on 04/05/05 at 14:28:42, don wrote:
No, it came from a traceable, home phone. One that would be used to call you if you so desired. Bill |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 5th, 2005, 2:40pm Dude had a heck of a good ol' southern drawl going though. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 5th, 2005, 3:10pm on 04/05/05 at 14:18:52, Bob P wrote:
hmm, I got one of those emails today too, Bob. Mine came with a disclaimer though that if I went public with it that everything would be denied. so, shhh, ok? don't tell anyone. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 4:14pm Quote:
A statement like that could only come from 1 of 2 places. OUCH or the National Communist Party |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 5th, 2005, 4:58pm on 04/05/05 at 15:10:31, Margi wrote:
Nothing like a falsehood to stir the masses huh? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:01pm You calling me a liar, Bill? Haven't you done enough good for one day? verbatim text from the email: "If you call me out in a public forum in order to try and embarrass me or the ORG, I will not respond." still wanna call me a liar, Bill? >:( |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:06pm on 04/05/05 at 17:01:46, Margi wrote:
The context of that statement was that I would discuss anything with anyone , BUT If you call me out in a public forum in order to try and embarrass me or the ORG, I will not respond. A large difference from the way you presented it here. If your soul purpose is to embarrass or discredit, there will be no response. You wish to discuss, I'll discuss. I will not be flogged in public. Bill |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:08pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:13pm on 04/05/05 at 17:06:09, Racer1_NC wrote:
Neither will I, Bill. But you apparently seem to be doing a good enough job of flogging yourself anyway. Since you and Redd are so interested in semantics today, you'll note that I never mentioned WHO the email was from. Pardon me all to hell for using the words 'will be denied'. Redd, you're absolutely right - the CORRECT words were "i will not respond". Yeah, you're right. The words ARE different. But at the end of the day, the results are the same. Mission accomplished. Yet another OUCH founder threw in the towel today. One by one, the ousting continues.....wonder who'll be next? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:23pm Seems to me the only people getting flogged were members or potential members and that was done by the OUCH imperialist party. User friendly OUCH. Unless you ask one of the secret questions. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:28pm Hey Don, I combed the Business Board and what financial reports are to found and these are the expenses I could find: Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:32pm So much for the web site maintainance, postage and phone calls theory. Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 5th, 2005, 5:52pm Funny part is, it's people who aren't even legally elected to the BoD. The Bylaws say the new BoD members shall be elected by the membership. No election was ever held. The BoD voted these people onto the BoD as if they were filling vacated positions instead of newly created positions. Bylaws: a) Up to fifteen Board of Director members including officers shall be elected by the voting members of the Organization. b) The membership shall be responsible for nominating a slate of member representatives in good standing. I pointed this out to them on the OUCH Business Board but got the old, you're nobody, we'll ignore you type of non-response. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:28pm Ignore the by Laws. Ignore the members. Maybe ignore IRS regulations regarding public financial records for a 501(c)3? Ignore resource experiance. Lets build a monarchy! |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:33pm Well when you consider that there has never been, since it's inception, complience with regard to fiscal and other obligations, I guess this new Governing Body has more clean up work to do than we first bargained for. Don't blame us for past failures. We are left with the job of mopping up YOUR messes. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:37pm Quote:
I know you are, but what am I? Neener, neener. Ya just gotta laugh! It's easy to shift blame now that all the records are hidden away. I can still look at the Treasurer's reports and it appears they are 100% up until, hmmmmm, a year ago. At least previous leadership wasn't afraid to let the members see what was going on and, yes, even participate some! |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:40pm Quote:
Atta girl. Keep pointing those fingers and shining OUCHs reputation with those responses. Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Jonny on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:41pm HMMMMMMM!!! Thats all :o Im going back to torturing the general board ;;D |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 6:48pm Take Jonny for instance. Buyin up all the OUCH shirts for economically depressed members. That bastard. Wont do that again will ya? You wont. Know why? Stores closed to. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Jonny on Apr 5th, 2005, 7:01pm Please leave me the fuck out of this. My old man told me that when you get in the middle of friends fighting YOU are the one to lose. Beam me up Scottie ;) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by nani on Apr 5th, 2005, 7:36pm I'm with Jonny. Hmmmmm :o |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door PrizesWho's impression? Post by purpleydog on Apr 5th, 2005, 7:59pm on 04/05/05 at 18:37:31, Bob P wrote:
A mature response from the former president of OUCH. Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by nani on Apr 5th, 2005, 8:01pm Didn't a bunch of message boards recently get hidden away from the membership? I hadn't read them all, but now I have to wonder....what was on 'em that needed hiding. Or...was it stuff like this? Blame, finger pointing, accusations, secrecy, sarcasm.... HMMMM....... an observation from an "outsider" looking in. Certainly makes me hesitant to volunteer in any way. Past or present... those who have donated time and energy to this potentially wonderful organization have been dragged over the coals here.... edited to add: I still thank every one of you for trying. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 8:06pm Standard OUCH operations. All over a simple valid question. Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by LadyElaine on Apr 5th, 2005, 8:12pm If you post it on the OUCH Board it will get deleted or moved to the private board. I am with Bob and Margi and Don. I have been told to shut up too! |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 9:01pm You mean like this.......... Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 5th, 2005, 9:25pm Jonny, I've often wondered why you've never let us drag you into the workings of OUCH. NOW I understand. Yes, the original OUCHers - we really did some bad stuff, didn't we? I'll go spank myself now. Can I spank Don next? Then Elaine. Bob probably needs one, too, what with him being such an "imperfect" president and all. Where's BarbD - I think she deserves a good whupping too. Yeah, this administration is SO much more experienced and proper than we ever were. un-freakin-believable, folks. ::) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by purpleydog on Apr 5th, 2005, 9:37pm on 04/05/05 at 21:01:01, don wrote:
Don, I'm sorry, but your speedo just wouldn't bring in the same amount of cash as Chuck's thong. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 5th, 2005, 9:41pm Thats a shame because $795.00 for Grant software is a lot of money. I write 20 to 80 page grant proposals all the time and have yet needed software to do it. Thats almost laughable. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by BarbaraD on Apr 6th, 2005, 7:23am Barb D is right here with her pants down waiting on her spanking. ;) Geezzz, Margi you were horrible and so were you Bob P. How many hours did we all put in to get OUCH organized? And let's see -- we got the organization a tax exempt status and kept it. We got it around the world (that's worth at least a couple of whips with the lash). We got the attention of the drug companies (what the hell were you thinking Bob when you asked for a donation from them?) We got conventions together and brought in under budget. We had treasurer's reports monthly and COMMUNICATION with members, so everyone knew what was going on. We THOUGHT we were getting professional with our website (gee Bob, I realy didn't know you were doing such a bad job -- everyone could get on it and say what they thought - even if we disagreed with someone else). WE built up a treasury for the current board to spend however they feel like it without any discussion (or info to the members). We were ALLOWED to discuss what we wanted to on the ch.com board EVEN if it concerned OUCH. And Don, we could get an answer when a question was asked whereever we asked it. My question now would be : Why would anyone WANT to join OUCH without knowing what it is or what it is going to do. "To further it's missions and goals?" What the hell does that mean. Elaine, Bob, Margi, Kip -- anyone know what they're talking about now? I go to the OUCH board daily and there's NOTHING there. But I guess they're trying to clean up OUR MESS! Don't know how we ran things for 5 years without their help. BD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Langa on Apr 6th, 2005, 8:32am on 03/26/05 at 17:09:17, Gator wrote:
Mike, you are too talented! The crib is beautiful! I have a couple of items to donate: A large cofee scented candle with coffee beans as the base...it's beautiful...coffee candle...appropriate for clusterhead's no? And I have a painting as well. I may be able to get some of my artist friends to donate some of their art, but let me know first if these items are okay, Donna. Thanks. Langa |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 6th, 2005, 9:41am Quote:
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Nope. I stood corrected many times but at least what I said and did was out there for all the membership to see and decide about for themselves. Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 6th, 2005, 9:45am A response from the CURRENT president, whether mature or otherwise would be a novel idea. In fact, the silence is almost deafening, isn't it? ::) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Magman on Apr 6th, 2005, 9:50am on 04/06/05 at 09:45:17, Margi wrote:
Margi, why don't you visit this thread http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1112779874 before slandering someone? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 6th, 2005, 9:51am and how does that address THIS issue, Dan? and where did I slander ANYONE? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 6th, 2005, 9:57am Quote:
Asking someone to address an issue is not slander. I would guess that Margi is asking you to intervene and resolve the issues being raised in this thread. Margi did you ask an OUCH officer to be accountable again? Damn you woman. Has anyone maybe considered an OUCH staff training in customer relations? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 6th, 2005, 10:03am on 04/06/05 at 09:57:51, don wrote:
yeah, stupid me. After reading this report, I am still left with questions. Glossing over all the slams at previous administrations and the veiled threats at the struggling chapters, I am left wondering about the financial status of OUCH. The "Financial" section of the report certainly doesn't address your question, Don, nor does it give us any semblance of a Treasury status. As OUCH Members, we have the right to know how much money is in the bank and how it's earmarked. Don, do you see any mention of that in this report? Neither do I. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 6th, 2005, 10:06am It was pointed out to me that OUCH financials weere none of my business. I'm not a member. That truely professional response came from a BOD member. Thats One reason why I'm not a member. I really have no interest in OUCH financials until they ask me to go into my pocket. That was the basis for the original question. Aren't financials for a 501(c)3 supposed to be public record anyway? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 6th, 2005, 10:11am I'm a member, Don. It IS my business. So, I'm asking. How much money is in the OUCH bank account and could I please see a copy of the budget for the next fiscal year? And could you post it here on ch.com please, so that those folks who are out there as potential members could have the opportunity to make an educated decision as to whether they wish to seek membership? Either that, or remove the lock on the gate at the OUCH website? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Magman on Apr 6th, 2005, 10:22am on 04/06/05 at 09:57:51, don wrote:
There is no issue to resolve. A report has been drafted and posted. Memebers now have an update on what is taking place at OUCH. As for customer relations, I beleive BoBP, BarbD, Margi and you Don, could use a few courses yourselves. No veiled threat on chapters Margi...this is on advice of counsel. Margi...OUCH Bylaws reporting statement: b) Shall maintain the financial records of the Organization and present financial statements to the Board of Directors upon request and membership in accordance with federal and state laws and generally accepted accounting principals When they are posted, financials will be posted on the OUCH forum. In closing, for those of you that are OUCH members and are discontent with the way things are being handled, call for my removal or cancel your OUCH membership. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 6th, 2005, 10:25am Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by BarbaraD on Apr 6th, 2005, 10:56am Margi is right Dan. WE ARE MEMBERS and have asked for a finanacial accounting. How much money has been raised and how was it spent. We haven't had a report in the last eight or nine months. Maybe we're not on the right board to ask questions, but we get no responses on the OUCH board. Maybe the previous boards haven't done everything exactly right, but we were "forming" an organization and I, for one, think we did a pretty damn good job of getting it going and keeping it alive. We did it all for "free" and accomplished quite a lot in the years we were forming it. Yes, it's time to get in compliance, but it's still a "member" organization and this high handed line is NOT the way it was set up to be. My suggestion would be to set up some open communication with members. Maybe we should have some elections. Bob P is right -- the present BOD was NOT elected and that's a problem for me as well as several others. Personally I don't know if you're doing good or bad since there's no communication. This is NOT the United Way -- it's OUCH. BD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Jackie on Apr 6th, 2005, 11:18am After reading Dan's report I'm going to venture a guess as to where the funds are being spent..... It looks to me like it's "Counsel"........counsel is "reviewing", "drafting" and "scrutinizing". "Counsel" doesn't come cheap! You all should be ashamed......asking questions and expecting answers about OUCH.....it's becoming more and more obvious that it's none of our business. Jacks 8) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Frank_W on Apr 6th, 2005, 11:45am Wonder if Room 101 will be available at the hotel... [smiley=laugh.gif] http://www.mondopolitico.com/library/1984/1984_c1.htm |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Lizzie2 on Apr 6th, 2005, 1:59pm I just learned to be a hell of a lot more cautious about OUCH every since stuff with Jefferson. I was free-sharing my honors project, but sorry...no way in hell now. Even if the two researchers from Jeff DID contact OUCH on their own...I'm the liason. Do you think someone from OUCH could have at least TOLD me about it? No. Does that piss me off? Yes. And yes, I've taken it up with people who should know more about this. And I'm still pissed as hell. My .02 Lizzie |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 6th, 2005, 2:39pm Liz, If you dont like the way things are handled then you should follow the presidents orders and...... Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 6th, 2005, 2:42pm Don, I've done some further digging to see if I could find a more precise answer to your original question since "funding medical research" while it was thoughtful of Donna to put that here for you, it really is still quite vague. I think I found something in the archives over at the OUCH board. It was contained in Magman's first post as President. I still think it's bad public relations that non-members are not privy to this stuff, so, here you go, Don (and anyone else who is wondering what proposed uses for OUCH proceeds could be): "I will be looking to the masses for the talent needed to succeed in our mission. Volunteerism is a noble offer and effort, but does not lend itself to accomplishing our goals in a timely fashion. Eventually, in the not to distant future, O.U.C.H. will provide salaried and/or hourly paid positions for those that serve. The funding will come from grants and donations currently under research. " I have no idea if this idea is in practice or not at the moment. I just thought this was interesting. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 6th, 2005, 2:56pm I never saw anything about it, but I was told a while back that they also bought some other pretty pricey software before the grant software. Had something to do with business software to be used on Dan's server. Also was told that they haven't seen anything of it since it was purchased. This is second hand info so don't take it as fact, right away. One small correction to the report, they're missing Chris Manning (Purpleydog) as a BoD member. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 6th, 2005, 3:07pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 6th, 2005, 3:10pm Don, I thee you're thtill lithping. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 6th, 2005, 3:13pm I still prefer a twisted tongue over a forked one. Power corrupts. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Missy_Donna on Apr 6th, 2005, 6:10pm Wow. Where did all of the animosity come from? Sounds like some of you haven't been around here long enough to know what OUCH was like the year before last. And if you were, you couldn't have been reading the OUCH Business Board. We had great presidents and now they're being tarred and feathered. The bylaws are not what were voted in by the Board and Members. The Members are the organization and the Board and Officers work for the members.....not the other way around. The Business Archives were sealed when too many legitimate questions were being asked. That's when it all started to change. Why on earth would we pay people to do a lesser job now than people who worked many more hours and ran a good board? Why do we need an attorney for everything we do now? Do we have liability insurance yet? It's over a year ago now that the Board that I sat on introduced the idea. Where are the monthly committee reports? If we don't post here, who's going to read what we have to say? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Jonny on Apr 6th, 2005, 6:34pm on 04/06/05 at 18:10:40, Missy_Donna wrote:
If thats true its just plain wrong......with the money that I have pumped into this Org. in the past I should be bitching....LOUD!!! But you all are doing such a good job ;;D |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by nani on Apr 6th, 2005, 6:37pm So...do we have an opening bid for the cheese yet? ;;D |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 6th, 2005, 7:13pm Quote:
Not any more Donna. And if you dont like it you can get out to. So if I donate then my money goes to lawyers. I DONT THINK SO! Maybe OUCH can trade cheese for atty. services. It will wipe out Wisconsin though. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by fubar on Apr 6th, 2005, 9:22pm I am a member. I joined years ago. This thread is really disturbing. I am disappointed. 'Nuff said. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by pubgirl on Apr 6th, 2005, 9:34pm I'm with you Fu, I'm hating seeing such unpleasant, snide and sarcastic comments from supposed adults AGAIN! This bodes very badly indeed for OUCH US. I'm a member but the only money I've ever given was to DJ to help run ch.com. There's no way I would donate any money unless I knew it was to be used wisely. W the B Addendum. and before anyone asks, yes, I do donate money, time and resources to OUCH UK because I know what they do with it. I don't always agree with everything they do, but for the most part, they make a small amount of money really work for sufferers, I would do the same for OUCH US if I had the same confidence. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Kevin_M on Apr 6th, 2005, 9:42pm on 04/04/05 at 21:42:14, Redd715 wrote:
"Begging for Change", the dollars and sense for making nonprofits responsive, efficient and rewarding for all. Robert Egger 361.7068 E Rober Egger, coincidentally took over the helm of United Way in Washington DC after one of the largest scandels in non-profit history, which started when they felt they were "shielded from critisism, like other nonprofits, hiding behind a noble mission. As if questioning the planning is, in effect, questioning their integrity, their purpose, and the need of their constituents. As if years of being in the business of doing good had made them unimpeachable" Some quotes from his book: "give answers and a plan, how and why we are addressing these causes." "the real currency to operate non-profits is trust." "If you chase money, it's an endless loop. If you chase results, the money will come." We are perpetually helping perpetually failing non-profits." "The best models of advocasy and nonprofit management were the ones being practiced and not talked about." "Inform, instruct, inspire." Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by clarence on Apr 6th, 2005, 10:53pm After reading 5 pages of posts, I still really don't know any more than when we all began. I also really don't know why Redd keeps saying that she is not going to post anymore, and then keeps posting. That's actually kind of funny... as confused as when i began, Casey... then again, nobody really asked me :-X but if you did i'd tell you ;) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Lizzie2 on Apr 6th, 2005, 11:19pm on 04/06/05 at 14:39:29, don wrote:
Why yes, Don. That's why I got into doing research at Jeff to begin with. And then because THEY wouldn't pay me, I got a job in the ER at the same time...worked 14 hours a day with a 2 hour commute each day. So, for some odd reason, I felt like I was doing good things by fostering a bond between Jefferson and cluster matters... So then I actually even came to school here because I thought that would be a good idea. Jury's still out on that one. And then I thought I'd help everyone out by going into headaches, but after working my ass off and STILL getting no thanks or credit for any of it, I decided that I wouldn't work in headaches anymore. Half the reason i'm into neonatal is to get very far away from headache neuro. So then I thought I'd still be helpful and design my honors project...and I even gave it to lots of people....at OUCH and Jefferson. And then...some people from Jeff supposedly start contacting OUCH directly...and everyone says, "Oooh! Thanks what a good job!!" But was that directed to all the crap I tried to pull to get those two orgs together? Nope... (And this is no offense Dan)... everyone thanked Dan for posting the newsletter and everything else. There are days when I just want to flip the bird at all this crap....but for some reason, I'm still trying to become a member of AHS and get that honors project presented so it really DOES help everyone...even if I have to do it on my own. <big sigh> I feel better now. Lizzie |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 6th, 2005, 11:55pm STOP!!!!! Will everyone just stop a minute and cool down... Please! I think this thing is just snowballing out of control, and if some sort of control isn't shown soon, things will just end up worse than they already are... Please. I'm not going to defend either side. God knows I have my own gripes about all this, but that's neither here nor there. I think a lot of this could have been avoided if things were handled a bit better from the beginning. I just have a couple quick questions: Who is the media/public contact for O.U.C.H., and what is his'/her's contact information? I have never worked directly for a non-profit organization, but I have worked in plenty of customer service roles for companies, and one thing you learn real quick is that you never, EVER tell someone (existing customer, new customer, former customer, ect...) that their question is not valid, or that you cannot answer their question. What you do offer is to either find out the information for the person, or you give them direct contact information for whoever is responsible for the information. It doesn't matter who the person is, or what the question is. Even if the question does not seem valid to you, you can almost guarantee that it is valid to the person asking it. Perhaps what every O.U.C.H. member that speaks on behalf of the organization should do is either provide the contact person and information when a question such as this is asked, or add it to a disclaimer line so that everyone will know who to go to with their questions or concerns. Just because O.U.C.H. is a non-profit doesn't mean it doesn't need to provide a positive public image, and beneficial customer service. And if you have a question you want answered, and are directed to contact a central contact person via e-mail, telephone, or other private media, as long as they are responding as a authorized contact for the organization, and you quote them exactly as they respond, there is no reason why you cannot repeat the information on the public forum (although you must be very careful to quote them exactly, or you can be held liable for the inconsistencies that arises that is deemed hurtful to the organization). Of course, if the organization is posed the same or similar questions by multiple people, they should take the responsibility to post the answer in an acceptable, public way. You may now return to your public deathmatch. PFDAN......................................... Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 7th, 2005, 12:09am AHA! And the door prize/auction winner is: Drk. Angel~~~~. All proceeds go to diplomacy classes for all board members. ;) with all remaining monies to be spent on: A new tat for Jonny. Linda |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Edna on Apr 7th, 2005, 1:47am :( I sure miss what I found when I first came here. :( :( :( :( :( :( |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Lizzie2 on Apr 7th, 2005, 2:31am on 04/07/05 at 01:47:29, Edna wrote:
Me too... Well, most of it. And I'm not even an old-timer...but things have changed rapidly. Lizzie |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by BarbaraD on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:04am on 04/06/05 at 14:56:54, Bob P wrote:
A Robo thingy was purchased back last year (Feb or March - check the Treasurer's reports) that was supposed to have all the OUCH business posted on it including the books. We were supposed to have a P&P written last year but haven't seen anything on that either since the committee was formed. The Robo thingy would have been a good tool. It had places for bylaws and all legal stuff and budgets and all that (it did the math for you- I played with it some on convention budget and it was a neat tool). What happened to it? Just read the latest financial info and have some questions on that also. There were treasurer's reports thru June, but they're not posted. The convention stuff isn't posted I just think it's TIME for some communication in OUCH. Things need to be back in the open. If members disagree with the BOD - so be it. I disagree with Congress most of the time, but at least I know what's going on and can state my opinion to someone who's doing something I don't like. From where Im sitting, OUCH was NOT in that bad a shape. Yes, some compliance issues needed to be "fixed", but they weren't major thing. The Bylaws needed to be redone to comply with IRS and Texas nonprofit laws, but that shouldn't have been a major deal if someone had taken the time to read the laws (which some of us did and were ignored). Now we're paying legal counsel to "write" them for us. Until communication is reestablished within OUCH, I don't think it's going anywhere. Oh well, guess "they" will do what's best......... BD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Magman on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:24am on 04/07/05 at 09:04:45, BarbaraD wrote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:41am Why is everyone "hung up" on Treasurer's reports?? :o um....HULLO?? Because it's our right to know, Dan! There are a lot of people here who have donated money to your OUCH and it is YOUR responsibility as its leader to tell those people where their money is being spent. Yes, I said "your" OUCH. That point was driven home to me in an email from one of your Directors the other day. That it's not MY OUCH anymore. How tragic is it that it can't be OUR OUCH? Your words: OUCH will never be 'open' as in the past. Leadership does not need to spend endless hours [as we are right now] 'discussing' how things should be done. This absolutely nauseates me. OUCH was formed to be an open organization - to be an advocate for cluster headache sufferers and supporters, driven by input FROM cluster headache sufferers and supporters. Guess that's gone by the boards now, huh? ::) More of your words: You want to change it, get elected and serve. Yeah? When was the last election, Dan? How many of this current administration have been elected? Linda and Mast, right? (In my opinion (and yes, I am entitled to one), they are the only two of your board that are showing any class through any of this.) That fact alone could get you shut down by the Feds, the fact that an election was not held and vacancies were filled arbitrarily. Not suprising, really - they were both in on the original purpose of this organization, now something that has been sadly forgotten. One last thing. DrkAngel, I am blown away by your post. VERY well said, Kenn. THANK you! oh and p.s. thanks so much for your reply to my email the other day, Dan. Oh wait, you didn't respond, did you? Not to worry, I got the message anyway. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Magman on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:47am Thank you for your opinions Margi. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:50am .....and your answers to the questions posed would be ....where? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Magman on Apr 7th, 2005, 10:02am on 04/07/05 at 09:41:20, Margi wrote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 7th, 2005, 10:20am "OUCH was formed and is operated by cluster headache sufferers strictly on a volunteer basis." This is from the "What is OUCH" page. Direct contravention if there are going to be paid positions with the organization. From the bylaws: ARTICLE VIII - BOARD OF DIRECTORS 1.... The board receives no compensation other than reasonable expenses. so, I take it only the OFFICERS will be paid salaries, then? Who determines the rate of pay? 2. Elections: a) Up to fifteen Board of Director members including officers shall be elected by the voting members of the Organization. b) The membership shall be responsible for nominating a slate of member representatives in good standing. d) The election will be held during the month of November in accordance with election procedures established by the Board of Directors hmmm, did I fall asleep during the month of November again? Damn, I hate when that happens! Treasurer: d) Chair the Budget Committee and prepare and present an annual budget. and the budget is posted.....where? 1. When a vacancy on the Board of Directors, with the exception of the President, exists, nominations may be received from present Board of Director members. see, Dan? I DID do my research. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 7th, 2005, 10:23am Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Magman on Apr 7th, 2005, 10:37am on 04/07/05 at 10:23:05, don wrote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 7th, 2005, 6:12pm No director of any non profit I have ever worked with would respond that way. Nor would any BOD I have ever worked with . You would be turning in your keys by the end of the day. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Drk^Angel on Apr 7th, 2005, 6:57pm Damn it! This is no way for either of you to act. You're both pissed, and this bickering isn't helping anything. Perhaps you both should take it to private. If not for yourselves... If not for others... Then at least for the org. Bullshit like this will definitely strain the trust that seems to be becoming very important and neccesary lately. Just agree to disagree for now. PFDAN............................. Drk^Angel |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Magman on Apr 7th, 2005, 7:17pm Thanks Drk, you are correct. Post is gone. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 7th, 2005, 7:46pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by catlind on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:00pm OUCH is a public non-profit. Any questions asked by anyone need to be answered. You aren't going to tell the government we won't answer your questions unless you become a member. Those 100 letters that Donna sent out for sponsors - are you going to make them join before you answer any questions they have? If you want OUCH business only on the OUCH board, then do not discuss on ch.com. The convention is OUCH business - it's the legally required annual general meeting of the members. You can't have it both ways. Either all business on the OUCH board, or you answer questions on both boards. A representative of OUCH should conduct themselves as a professional representative in every aspect, not just when they are on the OUCH board. If someone contributes financially to any non profit, they have the right to ask where and what that money is being spent on, member or not. There's alot more I could say, but after reading all this it's apparent that the work I did with OUCH was considered a waste and was problematic. Perhaps I should take the advice offered and request my membership be revoked. Sad state of affairs. Cat |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:05pm Well Cat as the emporer has stated: Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by cootie on Apr 7th, 2005, 9:13pm amazes me how so many cool people with the same cause and interests become so divided........my interest level is droppin Pam |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Leesa on Apr 7th, 2005, 10:24pm Not being a OUCH member I can and will say this with a clear head. 1- You cant get from A to Z with out taking on the letters in the middle along the way! NOTHING happens over night. 2- Every business has dealings going on behind closed doors. Its fact. Face it! No one will know EVERYTHING all the time! Period. 3- There will ALWAYS be those that feel they are right about issues and those they feel are wrong. Fact. Face that too. (you cant please everyone all the time NashCon proved that to me for damn sure!) 4- Folks have left OUCH due to the fact they feel things arent being done the way they should! That will not change either. Sorry to break it to yall but its true and we all know it!! 5- Folks have been UNJUSTLY accused of stealing money from OUCH in the past, how do I know cuz I was one of them! It was never put on the public board where I could tell my side. I just happen to have someone who cared nuff to let me know so I could cover my own ass! 6- No admin. will be 110% above it all. We are HUMAN, we all feel differently bout things and say them! No matter its right or wrong! 7- MANY things have been put "on the back burner" over the years. Most cant even rem. what in the hell they are. Cuz folks want things "their way" or no way. Again, you please some of "masses" some of the time but not all of them all the time! 8- Take a LONG HARD look at OUCH UK and see what they have done that has not been done by OUCH US. Find out what pit falls they had to deal with ect. Email some of the BoD members at the other OUCH sights and ask them how they got all of it off the ground and running like a well oiled machine!! Mo (Maureen) and John from OUCH UK were at the Alanta convention and gave an out line of things folks!!! HINT HINT 9- As for the books kinda hard to put info out there for all to see if you dont have ALL the info ya need to begin with! Aint it? 10- No matter what you say or do with OUCH someone is ALWAYS gonna get pissed off. Thats been proven over the years ladies and gents. It wont change! Now, THIS IS JUST ME!!! I say scrape the whole damn thing and start over from ground 0. The whole damn place is crumbling like a house built on sand anyway. So what does anyone have to loose? NOTHING!!! The folks that are in office are TRYING to get things in order but with all the BS flying around anymore how can they! Did everyone just go and loose their minds? Did yall forget how be NICE to each other? Has everyone forgotten how the post ALL of the emails that they want to show off? Seems that way to me. Post the whole damn thing not just the "good" stuff. Have yall forgotten how to use that thing called a TELEPHONE? I didnt and I have the bill to prove it too!! Folks, rem. this OUCH US and CH.com are 2 DIFFERENT places. OUCH is the BUSINESS end of things & should be RUN AS A BUSINESS. CH. com is the lighter side of things!! TREAT IT THAT WAY. You may be surprised at what you find. Keep personal shit OFF the OUCH boards. Keep the personal crap to EMAIL. If you have a question send an email right to the person you want to ask!! But be nice bout it. It only takes 2 seconds to be nice even when you dont want to or you mad as hell. Grow the fuck up folks. Act like adults and not like my 2 yr. old!!! Let the flaming begin!!!!! Leesa >:( |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by BarbaraG on Apr 7th, 2005, 11:18pm Well said Leesa. I couldn't agree more. BarbaraG ::) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Lizzie2 on Apr 7th, 2005, 11:31pm on 04/07/05 at 22:24:24, Leesa wrote:
Actually I've been discussing this same concept with someone over IM recently at large. Instead of blaming the past as the cause of problems in the present, just take it for what it was and start over. People in the past did some GREAT work...but now it's becoming such a mess that that work isn't really being utilized at present because the current representation feels they need to "fix the problems" -- notwithstanding the positive things that have been done. So...if it comes down to policies and legal issues...change a word in the name....scrap the past....We'll all keep the spirit of the past alive by acknowledging how much very excellent work was done since the birth of OUCH. Why spend all this time trying to fix the so-called past mistakes? If this is what is occupying the majority of time...then forget about it. It's obviously not worth the time. So best to forget about the fact that some documents, details, etc from the past may NEVER be recovered...start from scratch and go from there. That's JMHO... Lizzie |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Frank_W on Apr 7th, 2005, 11:33pm Leesa, why are you screaming like that? There simply has to be some kind of compromise that can be reached among all of us. I realize that the BoD is working, and that the membership can't always be privy to everything that is in the works, but it seems like everytime any question is asked, or a comment is made about OUCH, it is taken in the most negative light possible, or BoD members take it personally and get angry, when there's just no call for that kind of reaction. (Just like there's no need for screaming and lecturing.) The BoD could stand to be a little more forthcoming with communication, a little less angry in their tone, and people on the BoD could quit taking every question and every comment so personally. They don't have to offer every detail of every little thing that they are working on, but it wouldn't hurt to occasionally say, "Howdy, OUCH members! Here's the general outline of the things we've been working on, and here's how we think it will benefit the membership." And after the announcement, lock the topic if it's not something open for discussion at that time, but maybe explain WHY it's not open for discussion. Basic compassion in communication goes a long way, and you're right: It only takes a minute or two. The situation is coming to a head now, because there has been such a great LACK of communication, and the replies that have been offered have often been terse, vague, arrogant, belittling, bullying, and downright rude. At this point, OUCH feels like a vault that the membership has been locked out of. We don't matter anymore, apparently. None of the groundwork that previous volunteers have worked so hard to put into place is worth anything, apparently. It all feels like a slap in the face. The reticence that has gone on for so long, speaks VOLUMES. Those of us who care enough to ask questions or be involved, are cast as troublemakers, rock-throwers, persecutors, etc. ad infinitum. There are answers, solutions, compromises, and ways to discuss things, but thus far, the BoD seems to be setting the current tone of things. The bottom line is that some of us still care. In return, we get told to shut-up or cancel our membership. From your lofty position, from which you feel justified in screaming at everyone, lecturing, and commanding everyone to "grow the fuck up," would you care to offer some productive suggestions, insight, or solutions? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by nani on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:26am I don't know...from where I'm sitting...screaming or not, Leesa made a lot of sense there. Seems like sometimes, there's a whole lot of growing up to do around here. :-/ It sounds a lot like my kids in the backseat when I have to yell "Hey...do I need to stop this car and kick some ass!?!" |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by purpleydog on Apr 8th, 2005, 1:37am on 04/07/05 at 23:33:34, Frank_W wrote:
Are you sure it's the BoD that is taking comments personally and in a negative light? on 04/07/05 at 23:33:34, Frank_W wrote:
Again, who is taking things personally? And all businesses I know issue a quarterly, or yearly statement of updates. It's not feasible to issue monthly, weekly, or daily statements. As I'm sure you are well aware of, running your company, Frank. on 04/07/05 at 23:33:34, Frank_W wrote:
I'm not sure which replies you mean, Frank. By who? I'm not sure how you can make these comments with any degree of accuracy, how would you know what the situation is, when you are not a BoD member, and do not attend the board meetings? It is conjecture on your part. It takes time to be able to see exactly where things stand, and the procedures that were not being followed since the inception of the organization, that need to be taken care of now, cannot be fixed with the wave of a pencil. You can't expect things to change overnight. Do you really want to be involved Frank? Let's talk. on 04/07/05 at 23:33:34, Frank_W wrote:
Things are a changing, as far as the way OUCH has been run in the past. Change isn't easy, but it is for the better. You can make it as hard or as easy as you like. Yes, there have been some heated words thrown about in this thread, and surely regretted by now. Is that a reason to blame it all on a few words said, and taken back? I don't think so. Please don't speak in generalities. on 04/07/05 at 23:33:34, Frank_W wrote:
I think she just did. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Lizzie2 on Apr 8th, 2005, 1:43am Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Frank_W on Apr 8th, 2005, 8:44am on 04/08/05 at 01:37:39, purpleydog wrote:
Um... How about, let's NOT. Does that work for you? I've talked myself blue in the face, done my best to see both sides of things and understand as many points of view as I can. I've offered my help repeatedly, tried to be a part of the solution, and now I'm weary. I'm done talking. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 8th, 2005, 10:32am Are you sure it's the BoD that is taking comments personally and in a negative light? Of course not, and everyone is at the same risk of hurt feelings. Everyone here is human, well, except for Don, maybe. Again, who is taking things personally? And all businesses I know issue a quarterly, or yearly statement of updates. It's not feasible to issue monthly, weekly, or daily statements. As I'm sure you are well aware of, running your company, Frank. Who's asking for weekly or daily statements? I realize you are brand new with OUCH, Purpleydog, but just so you know? There hasn't been statements since May, 2004. Even quarterly statements would be appreciated at this point. It takes time to be able to see exactly where things stand, and the procedures that were not being followed since the inception of the organization, that need to be taken care of now, cannot be fixed with the wave of a pencil. You can't expect things to change overnight. I'd really like to hear some specifics about this. All I've heard is how we original OUCH officers screwed up all over the place. So far, the only thing I've seen in print is that there isn't a Minute Book. Not ALL of what we did was bad, Purpleydog. Don't let yourself get brainwashed here. Things are a changing, as far as the way OUCH has been run in the past. Change isn't easy, but it is for the better. You can make it as hard or as easy as you like. Yes, there have been some heated words thrown about in this thread, and surely regretted by now. Is that a reason to blame it all on a few words said, and taken back? I don't think so. Please don't speak in generalities. well, obviously, nothing gets answered until the words DO get heated. Isn't THAT a sad state of affairs? Questions asked at the OUCH board are repeatedly ignored or deemed inconsequential because of the poster's name/history/position of office in the "old" and decrepit OUCH. Officially, I am done with this thread, but I had to make these points before I go. The belitting of Frank's very valid response by yet another unelected official of OUCH was just too far over the line for me. So, do we have to wait until November to have an actual election? Or will this be another non-election year? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 8th, 2005, 10:53am Quote:
Incremental is good to. Quote:
HEY! I still gotta pulse you know. That counts. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 8th, 2005, 10:57am Quote:
Hope not. If ya work your way back through who is serving out who's term, most of the Officer and BoD positions are up for elections this year. Heck, Dan is serving out Don's term. Don to Steve to Dave to Mark to Dan. Someone was serving out the last year of my BoD term last year. Not sure how or if that got refilled this year. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 8th, 2005, 11:24am on 04/08/05 at 10:57:48, Bob P wrote:
reminds me of those commercials where the faces morph into the next one and they finish each other's sentences. Makes you think you're losing your mind. (not a long journey for me. ::)) And, Don. Seriously, it's "too", dammit. I know we Canadians throw in an extra 'u' from time to time, but that doesn't mean all y'all are allowed to short change us on the 'o's. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Kevin_M on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:12pm Just as a maybe "neither here nor there" comment: When I first found this websight and was basically an outsider looking in, I had heard about OUCH and thought it a very ambitious undertaking with it's aim seemingly built on desire and passion. Not only was there this websight for cluster headaches, this group of people who had met here had come together enough in harmony to actually organize an initiative to fight back and take on the beast, reaching out and bringing awareness to the world and garnering help for the suffering on the board beyond what we would be able to do amongst themselves. I was impressed. Mightily impressed. In a small way at that time, I wanted to say how much I admired this truly inspiring aspiration. I wanted to wear a t-shirt that represented this group I was so proud of finding. They were truly a David to the Goliath. I contacted Bob P very shortly after signing on and the immediate personal response was surprising. Without him knowing me at all, I wrote a personal check. Two days later the shirt arrived. He had not even received the check from a complete stranger or cashed it, the two had passed in the mail. Impressed and endeared further, YES. I didn't join at the time because I came and went a lot and felt I certainly didn't have squat for knowledge to contribute but wore my t-shirt. Nobody knew what the hell the logo meant, but I did. It meant GUTS and INSPIRATION of an IMPRESSIVE nature to me. Upon a third return to the board, I saw a "what the hell happened" OUCH. I joined, but not because of the situation that was brewing at that time, but because I remembered the admiration and respect that simply grabbed me by what I had previously experienced and perceived about OUCH as one of the most inspiring notions I have ever come across. That is the image that is emblazed in my mind forever and will not be tarnished, EVER. But now I wear my new OUCH sweatshirt, simply because it is warm, for now. Thanks Bob P, and several other names that I've known that kept that initial reflection alive. Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:18pm Quote:
Must be from South Canada. Where the seals are seals and everybody wants to eat them. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:28pm see now, Don, here I was setting up for a real lump in my throat session from Kevin's post. Wow, Kevin, you really captured the original spirit of OUCH. Thank you! and then Don had to go and spoil it all with his seal fetish. He's a little strange that way. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:41pm All passion will cease immediately acording to new CORPORATE policy. Big Brother. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by purpleydog on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:47pm Quote:
That is being worked on as we speak. The organization is being brought into compliance. I am not pointing any fingers. But, blame cannot be placed on a board that most were not members of back then. The compliance issue is being worked on as quickly as possible. But, again, it will take a little time to resolve. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Kevin_M on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:47pm on 04/08/05 at 12:28:36, Margi wrote:
No argument Margi, but definitely strange enough to be one of these: Quote:
Kevin M *spelled your name wrong, "strange enough" Margi, :-* |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 8th, 2005, 12:59pm Amen, Kevin. I personally nominated the man to be president. But don't tell him, ok? wouldn't want his head to swell or anything. ;) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 8th, 2005, 1:21pm Quote:
May I ask exactly what is not in compliance? I think my major unrest in this all stems from: At the Atlanta Convention, John Graham, from OUCH UK, spoke about how the members are our greatest asset as an organization. Access to a large database of sufferers will interest the medical community. Numerous talents and ideas are to be had from the members. Members, members, members above all else. Now the members are told to butt out. The BoD will run the organization the way they want and tough patooties if the members want something else. In fact, they'll take what they are doing behind closed doors so the members can't comment on it (as the Pres. has told us numerous times, he is not going to discuss anything with the members until the BoD has decided on it). Somehow the BoD has gotten the idea that OUCH is their organization and are leaving the members out. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 8th, 2005, 2:06pm Quote:
Yes Bob, of course you may ask. The following is a summary from the attorney OUCH has hired to examine it's current legal status. First, the issues present to the attorney. Quote:
Now the opinions.... Quote:
The issue of the corporate book. Quote:
There is not, to my knowledge, a corporate book. This is a problem that needs to be addressed as well. This in a nutshell is what needs to be worked on. I hope this has been helpful. As for members being told to butt out, I for one have had my personal email and PM box open to anyone that wishes me to address concerns. Save for 2 people, no one has contacted me concerning anything about the day to day running of OUCH. While I would be the first to admit, I do not hold all the answers, I'm here everyday. Bill (video owner's name has been removed because I do not have his expressed permission to post it here) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 8th, 2005, 2:17pm Thank you Bill. I really appreciate your sharing that. I can tell you that up through my tenure there was no corporate book (I understand this to be a compilation of calls to meetings, minutes, filings, major corporate activites). I saved an awful lot of stuff to my hard drive back in those days and it has since been backed up on cd and deleted from drive. Let me know if you are looking for something in particular and I'll see if I have anything of use. Sounds like someone has to dig through the cardboard box and put all that stuff in one place. We didn't call ourselves a grass roots org for nothing. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by vig on Apr 8th, 2005, 2:48pm A big shout of THANKS to all who give/have given their time, energies, and hearts!!! THANKS! |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 8th, 2005, 2:51pm Thanks from me, too, Bill for posting that here. See, I think doing this kind of stuff will restore faith in OUCH, no matter the composition of the administration. I think, by and large, we do trust who's ever at the helm. We just want to know what we are trusting you WITH. Is that so wrong? I still don't understand why things have to be kept in email or PM though. If you want to keep a good paper trail and stay in compliance, it's much easier to store things centrally such as on a message board. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by TxBasslady on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:05pm Bill, Ya beat me to it!! I signed on to post the same info..LOL To the members: I am not going to participate in slamming or bashing previous officers or BoD of OUCH. This is not productive. After reading this for days....it saddens me. I took a position on the BoD 'cause I thought I could make a difference. I have not accomplished that. Emotions have run rampant. Words have spewed, and feelings have been hurt. We all have different personalities, and we know....that it is totally impossible to be everything we want to be, to so many people. A question was asked.....and not answered. The end result was disastrous. I want to say.....that I think Margi is a great person, and has been here to offer her support for years. It's sad to see her so upset. I have never met her....but feel as though I have known her for years. Irregardless of how anyone else feels about her....she was not treated fairly. BobP has dedicated endless hours to OUCH. I have never met him...nor have I ever spoken to him. Most of what I have heard about him...is hearsay. However, if you get into the archives...you surely will see that he donated lots of time. He deserves some similance of respect, even if you don't agree with him. I do not agree with the way some things have been done, but I have tried to remain neutral. I have CH and I want a cure. I doubt that this will come in my lifetime...but if just one thing we do accomplishes this, then it will have been worth the effort. I am not speaking for the entire BoD.....just for myself. Therefore, if I offend anyone, please refrain from taking it out on the rest of the BoD, or Officers. If you read the post Bill made above...you'll see what the holdup has been on everything. We had an Attorney in Austin....but they apparently were too busy to help us. They left us hanging for 2 or 3 months. Steve (not4) found another attorney, and the correspondence above, is from our current Counsel. Compliance is our biggest issue. According to Counsel, and going by what they have asked, if we currently are without a Corporate Book, we are not in compliance. Therefore, all minutes from the inception of OUCH have to be found and submitted for the Corporate Book. This is not something the Attorney is doing....(creating the Book), but is being gathered and recorded by the BoD. The fee for Counsel, $150.00 per hour, is very reasonable. The first firm was getting $250.00 per hour. Luckily, we had no obligation to that firm. In order to receive sizeable grants...we need the compliance issues settled. I am of the opinion that once in compliance, we would not need to use the services of Counsel on a regular basis. If I am wrong about this, someone please correct me. I will ask, that we all come together and try to settle our differences, and move on to the business at hand. It is frustrating...and I very much understand the members wanting some sort of report. It just seems that until Counsel gets what they need, we are at a bit of a standstill. I think we thought it wouldn't take as much time to get the compliance issues settled. The opinions stated are my personal opinions and feelings, and in no way reflect the opinion, thoughts, or feelings of the remaining BoD and/or Officers. Jean |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Frank_W on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:09pm Thank you so much for the updates, the work you're doing, and the kindness in your communications, Bill and Jean. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Lizzie2 on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:11pm Bill, The theory is proven correct. :) Just having the info...any straightforward info...generally will bring a much more positive response. :) Thanks for posting that and keep hanging in there! Lizzie :) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:17pm Jean, thank you SO much for your kind words. I really am ok - seeing this posted here has helped IMMENSELY. My needs are simple as an OUCH member. I don't want to drive anymore, but I would enjoy to still be able to watch the scenery as we go along. It's when the curtains get shut that I become a backseat driver. For what it's worth, though, a corporate book CAN be compiled without the use of an attorney - I've just done one here for the Texas-owned company that I work for. Yep, I work for a Texas org. - we are a wholly owned subsidiary here. Same laws govern us, even though we're not a NFP org. It's not the law that you have to use a lawyer. They just want you to think that way. ;) Lawyers WILL charge exorbidant hourly fees for the simplest of tasks. I think they promise that to each other in law school. ::) Nope, not trying to steer - just offering some of my own personal business experience here. Once again, Jean - thanks for your heartfelt words here. You rock, lady. :-* edited to respell "subsidiary" and I'm still not sure if it's right! I hate that word! ::) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by nani on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:18pm Thank you Bill and Jean. :) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Leesa on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:22pm Hey yall here is a new one for ya here is MY number for all to see so if you want to talk call me 931-762-3418 Anytime and rem. Im on Centeral time. :) Im only doing this for those that do give a shit and want to TALK not debate the issues at hand. Yea Im nuts but what do I have to loose at this point!! NOT A DAMN THING!!! Leesa ;;D PS: Bill and Jean THANK YOU!!!!!! Yall done good. Margi, did I forget an O anywhere. ;) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:35pm on 04/08/05 at 15:22:48, Leesa wrote:
um, nope. But that sure is a funky way to spell "Leesa". ;) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:36pm on 04/08/05 at 14:17:09, Bob P wrote:
You are quite welcome. Quote:
That is my understand of a corporate book as well. Anything you may have concerning these items would be of great help to those that are/will be putting this information together. Quote:
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Jackie on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:51pm Thank you Bill & Jean......great and informative posts. This type of communication will go a long way to further the cause. Again.......thank you both Jacks 8) |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 8th, 2005, 3:58pm on 04/08/05 at 14:51:56, Margi wrote:
Margi.... Things to do not HAVE to be kept in email or PM. To be honest, as much as I am here, I still don't read everything that is posted. If someone has a question and pm's or emails, I for one, am sure to see it. Being PM'd, also lets me know that at response from ME is wanted. I also want to make sure that when someone asks a question, they get an answer, even if it is "I don't have a clue, but I'll TRY to find out.", without a thread hijack. Sometimes when that happens the original question, and answer gets lost in the shuffle. I hope this helps explain why I prefer PM's. If someone wants a public response, I'd do my best to post an answer on the boards. Bill |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 8th, 2005, 4:03pm on 04/08/05 at 15:17:35, Margi wrote:
MArgi, My understanding is that the book will be assembled by OUCH people, not the attorney. I believe the attorney just wanted to review it to make sure it conformed to the standard. Bill |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 8th, 2005, 4:10pm thanks for answering my questions, Bill. I think, in the early days, Barb was able to find state compliance regulations as they related to setting up a non-profit orgs either from the books in her office (she's an accountant) or from the internet. Might be worth investigating. I know it's not my business as to whether OUCH uses a lawyers' services or not, I just have an allergy to their charges (sorry to any lawyers in the audience). Guess I'm more of a do-it-yourselfer. Just my opinion and certainly not a slam. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 8th, 2005, 4:17pm on 04/08/05 at 16:10:38, Margi wrote:
I too have a allergy to paying lawyer fees, and much prefer the "do it myself" approach. That being said, with all that needs to be done, and being kinda short handed and time limited it was felt professional services might be the best road to take for this one task. A personal example, my hobby is racing. I can take a car apart and put it back together again. I don't like for anyone to work on my cars but me. BUT, when my wife's Jeep lost it's starter 2 weeks ago, I took it somewhere to be repaired. I just didn't have the time to get it done quickly. Pained me to do that, but it beat her walking for 3 days until I could fix it. ;) I hope that helps.... Bill |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Leesa on Apr 8th, 2005, 4:19pm Margi, yea its a strange spelling of my name but my parents wanted "unicque and different" well they got it hun. LOL I just dont think they bargined on this "unique and different. LMAO Leesa ;;D |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by BarbaraD on Apr 8th, 2005, 4:53pm The "Corporate Book" is just a compiliation of minutes, call to meetings, convention minutes, BOD minutes. I think they are in the archives (on Bob's CD) somewhere and Mel kept minutes and posted them (in compliance with every fed and state law I know of), so this shouldn't be that hard to put together (just some time involved). On another nfp corp I'm dealing with, my attorney e-mailed me a set of "generic" state and fed compliance bylaws he pulled off his "lawyer" website. It took a couple of hours to fix them to suit the corp. I think Bob P and I have about memorized Pub 525 of the IRS code. We "researched" Chapter stuff and had it pretty well worked out and the paperwork done back about June of last year. I don't think each chapter needs to be incorporated or hire legal counsel. Just follow guidelines for chapters set out by National and file the necessary paperwork with National and the IRS. Texas doesn't require any paperwork from the chapters. We've filed the paperwork with Austin to change the registered agent (it's Steve now). All paperwork from the state should be going to him as well as all corporate records. Tax returns have been filed and there should be a copy of all of them in the Treasurer's box. Except for the last set of bylaws that the board adopted, as far as I know all other paperwork was sent in to the IRS for approval. I agree that the bylaws are not what OUCH needs, but they were done without benefit of counsel and I don't think they were what the board actually voted on, but.... The videos and the disclaimer, I agree needs an attorney's input. The only other thing is that several people have asked for a financial accounting and have been told that they'll get one when and if the BOD sees fit. That is NOT in compliance. (Pub 525). It says that anyone asking shall be furnished a copy of what's asked for within a reasonable time (approx 10 days according to the IRS). Thanks Bill for answering some questions. I really think that's all the members are asking for -- someone to answer questions. BD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Bob P on Apr 8th, 2005, 5:19pm It's no problem if CalOUCH needs to incorporate. A quick search turned up a free guide/kit for incorporation in CA. Has the articles of incorporation (fill in the blanks kind of stuff), bylaws, even a cover letter, fees and where to mail them. Looks like it could be done in a couple of hours. The only real BoD meeting (that didn't take place on the business board) was during lunch at the Atlanta Convention. There were some minutes from that meeting. I'll see if I have a copy. Barb did all the footwork for the Group Exemption Letter for the chapters. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Kevin_M on Apr 8th, 2005, 5:21pm That is certainly you Barb, always going beyond expectations without having to be asked to for people. ;) some assets never depreciate :) Kevin M |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Alien Space Babe on Apr 8th, 2005, 5:23pm on 04/07/05 at 10:20:05, Margi wrote:
2001 Form 990 (http://citlink.net/~peacereigns/pdf/2001OUCH990.pdf) 2003 Form 990 (http://citlink.net/~peacereigns/pdf/2003OUCH990.pdf) not much there, but it's a start for those who want answers and aren't getting any.... and now back to LizzieLurking.... |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 8th, 2005, 5:27pm on 04/08/05 at 17:23:41, Alien Space Babe wrote:
Enlightening information Lizzie, thank you. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by BarbaraD on Apr 8th, 2005, 5:30pm Question? Where did this come from and why is it on that site? Looks like someone took out 990 and posted the figures. ????? Sorry, am I missing something? BD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Redd715 on Apr 8th, 2005, 5:34pm on 04/08/05 at 17:30:50, BarbaraD wrote:
Because OUCH is a public Non Profit, the information was gleaned from the 990's that it has filed. Being a public entity there is nothing stopping the publication of this information by third party sources. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Margi on Apr 8th, 2005, 5:41pm Barb, Liz and Bill - please check your PM's. I just found out something VERY disturbing about this software. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by BarbaraD on Apr 8th, 2005, 7:17pm I guess my question would be WHY would a third party WANT to publish OUR stuff. HEck it's not even posted on the OUCH site - why would we need to go look somewhere else? And the information can be changed by ANYONE from what I saw on that site. I guess I'm just missing the point. BD |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 8th, 2005, 7:37pm on 04/08/05 at 19:17:26, BarbaraD wrote:
Barb.... I investigated the ability to change the posted information as soon as I got word. Unless I missed something it can be changed, but by only one person. Once the EIN is assign to a specific user, no one else can change anything linked to that EIN. As to that website's purpose this was copied directly from the "about us" page.... Quote:
I hope that clears up this situation.... Bill |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 8th, 2005, 7:39pm on 04/08/05 at 17:19:50, Bob P wrote:
Thanks Bob..... please let me know what you find concerning that. Your help in this is greatly appreciated. Bill |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 8th, 2005, 7:44pm If I may make a suggestion......it might be better to continue any further discussions from this thread on the "General" Forum here at CH.com or on OUCH's website as this thread has changed topic several times during it's life. Bill |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by thomas on Apr 10th, 2005, 11:54am on 04/08/05 at 19:44:27, Racer1_NC wrote:
Good idea. This thread gives me mental pictures of a starving beast eating it's own guts out because of the hunger pains. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 10th, 2005, 12:43pm How quaint. Psycho. |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by thomas on Apr 11th, 2005, 8:51am on 04/10/05 at 12:43:31, don wrote:
Yes and your point would be...........? |
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Title: Re: Auction Items and Door Prizes Post by don on Apr 11th, 2005, 9:58am Quote:
The ussual. I dont have one. |
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