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(Message started by: cat1955 on Jan 8^th, 2008, 6:06pm)

Title: Hazel eyes?
Post by cat1955 on Jan 8^th, 2008, 6:06pm

I found a site that is interesting. Though very informative, it says that Clusterheads have hazel eyes, smoke and drink excessively. [smiley=laugh.gif]

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/c/cluster_headache/riskfactors.htm

I smoke, rarely drink, if at all, and I have gray eyes (maybe a few small specks of brown).

So if you aren't laughing so hard that you can't type, I am curious how many of us have hazel eyes? [smiley=huh.gif]
Carol

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Melissa on Jan 8^th, 2008, 6:14pm

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/wwwboard/boardleft.html

click to view the survey results

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by cat1955 on Jan 8^th, 2008, 6:24pm

Thanks for the info. I haven't delved that far back...reading is a big trigger for me.
Carol

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Annette on Jan 8^th, 2008, 7:42pm

My husband fits that description though, he has hazel yes and does smoke excessively and used to drink excessively too.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Maffumatt on Jan 8^th, 2008, 8:30pm

I fit it too, except I don't drink, for some reason when I drink I want to rip the top of my skull off and dance on my frontal lobe.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by MarkHW on Jan 8^th, 2008, 8:47pm

blue/green eyes... never smoked... drink once in a while...

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Guiseppi on Jan 9^th, 2008, 10:33am

Brown eyed, never smoked, love dark beers and good bourbon!

Guiseppi

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by chewy on Jan 9^th, 2008, 12:51pm

Hazel eyes.........Cluster
Blue eyes............Sinus
Brown eyes.........CPH
Black eyes............annoying son of a bitch

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by monty on Jan 9^th, 2008, 1:10pm

on 01/09/08 at 12:51:32, chewy wrote:

Hazel eyes.........Cluster
Blue eyes............Sinus
Brown eyes.........CPH
Black eyes............annoying son of a bitch

Ha! When I look at pictures of myself, I have red eyes.
red eyes.........hangover? (For me, usually a cheap camera)

Genes like eye color, blood type, and straight or curly hair are very very weakly (or not at all) linked with CH. Skin color might be linked to things because it affects vitamin D levels, which affects migraine (and maybe other related headaches). Genes for dealing with calcium are probably important, but I don't think that has a predictable effect on how people look.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Bob P on Jan 9^th, 2008, 5:14pm

Per the cluster survey that Mel linked above, there is a much higher percentage of blue or hazel eyed clusterheads than there are blue or hazel in the general population. So your link is somewhat correct in that aspect.

I think that clusterheads drink and smoke more than the general population also. However, I don't think the drinking or smoking causes cluster headaches. Quite the opposite. I think the brain/neurological deformity that causes cluster headaches also gives us addictive personalities/tendencies which leads to the heavier drinking and smoking.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by debbie on Jan 9^th, 2008, 6:41pm

blue eyes, don't drink, don't smoke--lets see I have a kid who has hazel eyes, he smokes, if he drinks he wouldn't tell me and he has caused me a headache or two does that count?

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Chillrmn1 on Jan 9^th, 2008, 7:10pm

on 01/09/08 at 17:14:36, Bob P wrote:

I think the brain/neurological deformity that causes cluster headaches also gives us addictive personalities/tendencies which leads to the heavier drinking and smoking.

I agree with Bob on this and seems to ring true in my case. Put the drink down seven years ago but hit it pretty hard before then.

edited to add "ago"

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by starlight on Jan 9^th, 2008, 9:11pm

I do have hazel eyes.
I started getting these at 14--never had touched a cigarette or alcohol at that age.
Smoked later on and then quit and then started after 5 yrs. of not touching a cigarette--got CH anyway during smokefree years--a neuro told me that it doesn't matter if you smoke or not you will still get them. I don't drink.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Samiam on Jan 10^th, 2008, 7:24am

I have brown eyes, female, don't drink and never smoked. Years ago I was told this by a neuro while trying to get diagnosed and the doctor's actually used this to rule out cluster for me. It took me a couple more years to find a neuro that had the sense to disregard that stupid finding. I have had cluster now for over 26 yrs and since February I have been back in remission.

Sami

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Barry_T_Coles on Jan 10^th, 2008, 7:43am

Blue eyes
Drink ! Yes please.
Smoke Yes

Vitamion D? I spend 75 % of my working & home life working out in the open in one of the highest UV radiant areas in the world, If I'm missing out on my share of VD I should perhaps give up sleeping.

Bottoms up
Barry

VD as in Vitamin "D" ;;D

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by rocketman3104 on Jan 10^th, 2008, 9:37am

Quit smoking a year ago (yea, me)
Drink very rarely (usally to a face-down position).
Blue eyes.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by monty on Jan 10^th, 2008, 9:39am

on 01/09/08 at 17:14:36, Bob P wrote:

There are more blue and hazel eyes in the northern European population than in the general population. To say that clusterheads have hazel eyes is like saying clusterheads are northern European.

The article linked to also says that nicotine triggers cluster headaches. It does not. Smoking may be a risk factor, but nicotine is not recognized as a trigger.

There is no evidence that eye color has much value for predicting or diagnosing cluster headache. And there is no evidence that eye color itself raises the risk. It is much more likely that eye color happens to occur with all the other genes that are more common in the northern European population.

Sometimes online surveys capture important information. But there is also a risk that this type of survey is skewed in various ways.... for example blacks and hispanics may be less likely to be diagnosed with clusters (different relationship with healthcare system) and they may be less likely to be online. Which could dilute the number of non-blue, non-hazel eyes counted.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by sandie99 on Jan 10^th, 2008, 10:23am

Blue eyes, never smoked, hardly ever had a drink before ch - now practically absolutist.

Sanna

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by monty on Jan 10^th, 2008, 10:50am

on 01/10/08 at 10:23:26, sandie99 wrote:

Blue eyes, never smoked, hardly ever had a drink before ch - now practically absolutist.

Sanna

Is that some one who drinks Absolute Vodka??

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by monty on Jan 10^th, 2008, 11:00am

Just kidding, Sanna! You are almost tee-totaler and don't drink much at all?

on 01/10/08 at 07:43:46, Barry_T_Coles wrote:

It may not be just a shortage of vitamin D, although some studies have shown that vitamin D helps with migraines. But it seems to be something (unfortunately) more complex.

People with fair skin and blue eyes evolved away from the equator. Their pale skin lets them soak up more UV and convert it to vitamin D when the sun shines. But they also have a variety of changes in other genes related to vitamin D, and for the various clock genes related to light.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Bob P on Jan 11^th, 2008, 6:03am

Quote:

followed by

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There are more blue and hazel eyes in the northern European population than in the general population. To say that clusterheads have hazel eyes is like saying clusterheads are northern European.

Don't quite understand how my statement that there is a higher percentage is quoted to demonstrate an absolute like "clusterheads have hazel eyes.

There was a guy some years back who was conducting a survey of clusterheads on this site on the posibility that the farther from the equator, the higher the incidence of CH. Maybe most clusterheads are from northern european decent.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by monty on Jan 11^th, 2008, 10:22am

on 01/11/08 at 06:03:59, Bob P wrote:

Don't quite understand how my statement that there is a higher percentage is quoted to demonstrate an absolute like "clusterheads have hazel eyes.

Your right, you didn't support an absolute. And I am even less absolute about the situation.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Bob P on Jan 11^th, 2008, 10:59am

I do understand what you were trying to demonstrate. There are no absolutes with CH except they hurt like a mo fo!

Drinking, smoking, eye color, lion like features, tall males, etc. etc. There may be some genetic links in some of these but none dictate the presence of CH nor does CH dictate the presence of any of these traits.

For a doctor to rule out clusters because someone doesn't have hazel eyes is ludicrous.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by chewy on Jan 11^th, 2008, 11:13am

Quote:

lion like features

I do have a tendancy to chase down Gazelles.

Title: Re: Hazel eyes?
Post by Poli on Jan 11^th, 2008, 1:46pm

So, I'm Spanish (hispanic...), live in very Southern Europe, brown eyes, black hair, Eagle face.... then, why do I have clusters????
Saludos
Poli