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(Message started by: 2late on Sep 12^th, 2007, 9:50am)

Title: tinnitus and clusters
Post by 2late on Sep 12^th, 2007, 9:50am

I have tinnitus[ringing in the ears] I first heard the noise when i was drilling into brick[to install phone service,me being an not a very nice person didn't think twice about ear damage until it hit me and did not go away, its gotten worse since then and i wear earplugs when drilling. my question is could ther be a connection between tinnitus and clusters? i know it's impossible to know for sure.I also know that some meds can cause mild tinnitus. Just wanted to put it out there to see, what say you?

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by Karla on Sep 12^th, 2007, 11:58am

Wow, I am sorry to hear that you are suffering through this. I hope that there is some sort of medication you can take or something you can do to make the ringing stop. I havent' heard of any ch suffers having it. I know I don't.

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by LeeS on Sep 12^th, 2007, 12:54pm

Hi 2late

This came up elsewhere not so long ago. Most of the research I found then seemed to focus on migraine. Not a lot out there in terms of CH, however, I did find this (interesting that they have devised there own version of the Kip scale for tinnitus).

Quote:

Acta Otorhinolaryngol Ital. 1999 Apr;19(2):70-5.Links
Tinnitus during headache: clinical-instrumental evaluation

Farri A, Enrico A, Lacilla M, Sartoris A.
Dipartimento di Fisiopatologia Clinica, Università di Torino.

During the five years running from December 1993 to January 1998, 112 patients who had come to our University Clinic suffering from headache were examined. From this group 71 complaining of tinnitus during headache were recruited for the study: 19 patients suffered from migraine without aura, 8 migraine with aura, 15 tension headache, 21 mixed headache, 3 basic migraine and 5 cluster headache. The purpose of this work was to determine the incidence and to identify the frequency of the various types of tinnitus in the study sample. Once cardiovascular and metabolic pathologies, previous cranial or cervical traumas, barotrauma, chronic on-the-job noise exposure, cervical arthritis, ATM malocclusion, use of drugs that damage the hearing apparatus, morbose processes of the external and middle ear, otosclerosis, jugular tympanum paraganglioma, Meniere's disease, acoustic neurinoma were all ruled out, the patients underwent the following battery of instrumental tests: tonal audiometry, impedance measurement, vestibular examination, electronystagmography, ABR, simplified tinnitometry. Only those patients with normal hearing underwent the tinnitometry and, therefore, the type of tinnitus was established only for this group of 53 patients. Tinnitometry showed that 37% of these subjects had tinnitus at the higher frequency tones, 11% at the middle frequencies, 29% complained of tinnitus at the lower frequencies while 23% complained that the bothersome buzzing was a compound noise. In addition, the subjective intensity of the tinnitus was analyzed. The authors devised a tinnitus irritation scale covering a range from 0 (not irritating) to 10 (intolerable). The tinnitus was bilateral in 66% of the cases while it was limited to only one ear in the remaining 34%. In 15% of the cases tinnitus was present even when there was no headache. In the literature, the etiopathogenesis of tinnitus associated with migraine headache has been attributed to vascular and neuropeptide mechanisms. Even the psychological component appears to play a role in triggering the event. These hypotheses deserve more in depth study.

And this one attempts to explain the cause:

Quote:

Neuroscience. 2001;103(1):189-201. Links
Capsaicin stimulation of the cochlea and electric stimulation of the trigeminal ganglion mediate vascular permeability in cochlear and vertebro-basilar arteries: a potential cause of inner ear dysfunction in headache.
Vass Z, Steyger PS, Hordichok AJ, Trune DR, Jancsó G, Nuttall AL.
Department of Otolaryngology, Albert Szent-Györgyi Medical University, Szeged H-6725, Hungary.

Trigeminal neurogenic inflammation is one explanation for the development of vascular migraine. The triggers for this inflammation and pain are not well understood, but are probably vasoactive components acting on the blood vessel wall. Migraine-related inner ear symptoms like phonophobia, tinnitus, fluctuation in hearing perception and increased noise sensitivity provide indirect evidence that cochlear blood vessels are also affected by basilar artery migraine. The purpose of this investigation was to determine if a functional connection exists between the cochlea and the basilar artery. Neuronally mediated permeability changes in the cochlea and basilar artery were measured by colloidal silver and Evans Blue extravasation, following orthodromic and antidromic stimulation of the trigeminal ganglion innervating the cochlea. Capsaicin and electrical stimulation induced both dose- and time-dependent plasma extravasation of colloidal silver and Evans Blue from the basilar artery and anterior inferior cerebellar artery. Both orthodromic and antidromic activation of trigeminal sensory fibers also induced cochlear vascular permeability changes and significant quantitative differences between the treated and control groups in spectrophotometric assays. These results characterize a vasoactive connection between the cochlea and vertebro-basilar system through the trigeminal sensory neurons. We propose that vertigo, tinnitus and hearing deficits associated with basilar migraine could arise by excitation of the trigeminal nerve fibers in the cochlea, resulting in local plasma extravasation. In addition, cochlear "dysfunction" may also trigger basilar and cluster headache by afferent input to the trigeminal system.

For some strange reason I can never seem to get that song "Walking in a Winter Wonderland" out of my head; irrespective of the season. I wonder if it is cluster related?

Hope you get it sorted.

-Lee

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by 2late on Sep 12^th, 2007, 1:58pm

thanx Lee for the artical , it was interesting I also get migrains maybe i'm not crazy but it is starting to really annoy me. not intrusive yet hoping it never gets that bad ..........Jack

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by 2late on Sep 12^th, 2007, 10:24pm

c'mon people 62 hits and 2 replies.....i'm curious...... yes or no would be fine.

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by Barry_T_Coles on Sep 13^th, 2007, 3:54am

Yes; had it before I got clusters but it doesnt bother me, in fact it helps to drown out some of the B/S that gets thrown my way.

Regards
Barry

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by phil_h on Sep 13^th, 2007, 7:14am

I got tinnitus right before ch's . When the pitch and volume goes up .......enter the beast...... it's like an early warning siren....goes off 5-10 minutes before kip 6's and up ...... When barametric preassure begins to fall the siren also sounds....this of course half the time is followed by pretty severe hits...... I guess all things considered , tinnitus is not a totally negative thing...just annoying............. phil h

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by luveemom on Sep 15^th, 2007, 10:53am

I have it........don't know if it is related to my clusters or not, but I do get it pretty frequently and I hate it. Not always during, before or after either.....just have bouts of it....hope that helps a little...I am on topamax and who the hell knows if that is another one of the many side effects...

alicia

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by Rosybabe on Sep 15^th, 2007, 8:28pm

nop, I don't think I have tinnitus but my hearing is very sensitive ;;D

Hope you get to feel better soon!

Rosy

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by sailpappy on Sep 16^th, 2007, 7:49am

;;D ;;D I also have this condition, I can't hear certain sounds at all when they are on the same frequency. Watch alarms are one of the sounds I just dont hear at all.
Mine is constant and really sounds like the crickets or what ever bugs make the high pitched sounds in the trees at dusk.
I think my ear damage occured in a war zone about the same time the CH's started!
100 Pounds Lighter than 4 months ago! Pappy

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by cluster on Sep 17^th, 2007, 9:01am

Tinnitus can be a side effect of Verapamil, see:

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/verapsr_ad.htm

"Special Senses: Blurred vision, tinnitus."

Not sure about other meds, better check yourself depending on what you are taking.

pf wishes,
Friedrich

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by southwalessunshine on Sep 18^th, 2007, 12:52pm

My partner is a tinnitus sufferer and I see how much he struggles with it. It's very obtrusive and fruatrsting. I have CH but never had tinnitus. However evry now and then I do get a sudden ringing in my ears and it lasts anything fron a few minutes to a n hour or so. This is usually in the run up to a CH, so maybe this is a form of tinnitus? I thought that tinnitus starts and doesn't go away? If it comes and goes is it really tinnitus or not?

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by clusterf_ked on Oct 9^th, 2007, 4:37pm

Yes, tinnitus here. Primarily in left ear (same side as CH), but also some on right side. Neuro and ENT have said no link between the two.

stevo

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by George_J on Oct 9^th, 2007, 7:06pm

No, no tinnitus, in cycle or out.

Best,

George

Title: Re: tinnitus and clusters
Post by sandie99 on Oct 10^th, 2007, 5:26am

No tinnitus in here.

Sanna