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Title: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Versilleus on Aug 13th, 2007, 11:53pm I have non-responsive chronic clusters. One of the major impacts on my life caused by them is that I am genuinely unable to work despite repeated attempts and have been placed on a form of long term disability. This had to have been verified by my Neuros, GP, work placement counselors and so forth. My main issue is being able to convince one of my immediate family members that cluster headaches cause enough pain to be unable to work and the issue is not laziness (not something I have ever been accused out till now). Granted some individuals will never change their mind despite the evidence. If he wasn't related I would not continue to try to further aid his understanding. Any constructive ideas would be greatly appreciated. Here is the McGill Pain Index. Maybe I could stimulate his brain cells with something visual. Where on this scale would a cluster headache place? http://www.magma.ca/~peterz/Pictures/Pain%20Scale.gif Paul |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by AussieBrian on Aug 14th, 2007, 12:06am Never been in labour myself but I'd put CH at about 70 on your scale. (More on a bad day.) |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Linda_Howell on Aug 14th, 2007, 12:41am Quote:
Well, I have. 7 times to be exact, and I would rate childbirth as opposed to a KIP 10...at around a 6 Not sure where to place it on the diagram you have there though, since I've never lost a digit. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Versilleus on Aug 14th, 2007, 12:54am Wow, 7 times. Congradualtions. Loosing a digit wouldn't really count because it is acute in nature. Though an acute experience might help him to understand. A high acute pain experience times 10 a day. The only thing time he mentions pain is when his Gout is acting up. The two don't even compare. Paul |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by UN solved on Aug 14th, 2007, 12:56am Yes, there are others that are on disability due to chronic clusterheadaches, myself included. And no, I'm not lazy either. I'd work 80 hours a week if I could. I'd give up or do anything to stop the clusters. About the scale: When describing the pain of a cluster attack, we use "the Kip scale". (Link provided at the left) Goodluck in convincing the family member of the true meaning of clusters and the physical + mental pain it causes. Maybe it'll help with visualizations such as the videos "The Drip 2", and the 3 clips from the movie "PI" (parts 1, 2, and 3), or perhaps a video clip of a real cluster attack (thanks to Chuck, Jason, and Bob) http://www.clusterbusters.com/chuckattack2.wmv Google search "Drip 2" *Sorry, I can't provide a link to it due to being in dial-up he77. I'm sure Jonny can provide that link) You will find "PI" clips on You Tube (link below): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlcjHDDG8dE&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww11%2Easphost4free%2Ecom%2FClusterhead%2Fclusters%2Ehtm also, may want to show them the letter to friends & collegues here --> http://www.ouch-us.org/chgeneral/Cluster%20Headache%20Syndrome.pdf Goodluck UNsolved |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by sandie99 on Aug 14th, 2007, 5:08am Paul, I'm so sorry that you're hurting. [smiley=hug.gif] Understanding someone else's pain is a challenge which our closeones have to deal with. Whether they will "get it" depends a lot from person to person. I've noticed that my boyfriend and some of my friends understand the pain and its impact on my life easily, whereas my mother... just doesn't. We're all different. Perhaps your family will understand what you're going through when you tell them as much as you can about ch and the pain and what it does to you? And do your best to "catch up" during a rare PF moment... That's my two cents. Being chronic is hell... [smiley=hug.gif] PF days, Sanna |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 14th, 2007, 2:21pm Paul, I have the same dx. Last year I worked a total of 50% of the year . If I wasn't selfemployed I would have been fired or out on disability . As I am selfemployed ,I'm just going broke.. Anyway I'm off your pain chart 60%of the time....My family can't believe I still work....I'm trying 8am-1pm and 4pm-10pm...it works better,I cancell fewer appts......the beast forgets that most of my regular 4-6 hits occur in the 1am-6am and 1pm-5pm time slots... You and I know the pain...non-clusterheads can never fully comprehend. I refuse to justify my need to survive my experience and try to keep living . I must either reinvent myself professionally or go on disability ...if I can.......... Be brave ,be strong and pray for better days. In the meantime live as much life as the precious present allows....I pray for pfdans for all of us ..... PS..... Someone told me that I seemed to get alot of mileage out of my self reported pain......I refuse to be shamed and /or judged by others......Fortunately I have one judge , ands it's not that guy !!!!!!!!! phil h |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by brauer100 on Aug 14th, 2007, 3:29pm Hi, there. Yes, I've had to quit working for chronic clusters. Also, I went through labor without an epidural and I think that a bad cluster is about the same level of pain as the very worst part of delivery for me, only it's psychologically much worse because there is not a baby popping out of your head so there's no element of it being worth anything, no "light at the end of the tunnel", so unlike the "beautiful pain" of having a baby, it just sucks. I've never lost a limb, so I don't know if you can put it up there, but a bad cluster ranks a 10 on my own personal pain scale, with unmedicated labor of a transverse, 9 pound baby I was in labor for 46 hours to deliver ranking just below it. Of course, your relative probably never went through that either. He sounds like an ass to me. Frankly, I just think he shouldn't stand in judgment of you. Nothing you can say is going to change that, so you probably should focus on yourself. I had to quit working because of the headaches and then I was a stay-at-home mom. Today, for the first time, we had to put our kids in daycare for a half day because of the headaches, so I know where you're coming from. We're in a financial mess and I feel like a failure sometimes. My husband is supportive and so are my parents, but some of my family looks at me like I'm a lazy moocher. But they've not walked a mile in my shoes. We all have different burdens to carry in life. Someday they may have their own burden to carry and may need my help and support. Right now I just try to rely on the friends and family who give me the love and support I need and I try to avoid the ones who are unable to understand. I hope that helps. Take care! Your pain is real, and it's understandable not to be able to work when you are in that much pain. Kate |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Sandy_C on Aug 15th, 2007, 2:11pm First of all, being episodic myself, all of you chronic CH'ers have my utmost respect. I don't know how you do it, being hit time after time every day of the year. I admire your strength, and salute your ability to maintain a positive outlook. As to the pain scale, I'm with Brian. I too, gave birth, twice, using absolutely nothing, no epidural, no pain pill, no drug to relax me, nothing, even when the doctor did the episIomotomy (sp?). If labor and childbirth registers in the 30 to 40 range on that scale, a kip 10 registers at least a 70, if not higher. A kip 5 or 6, to me, might approach childbirth. Again, as an episodic, my first two cycles only hit me in the evenings, after work. Then, they begain to escalate into the day time. My hits lasted anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 minutes, and I could have anywhere from one to three hits during working hours. There are only two people in my office, my boss and me. I explained to him about my headaches, and I always went to my office, closed the doors, asked him to grab the phones and I would be back as soon as possible. Well, the phones rang, without him picking up, he would open my door and ask me a question, He didn't seem to "get it", and commented something like "well, it's only a headache". What it took, was not hiding away, but staying right there, in his face, and allow him to see a full blown hit. He watched my right eye droop and tear, water pouring down my right cheek, while the left eye was fine. He saw snot pouring out of my right nostril while the left was clear. He watched me go from sitting in a chair, rocking back and forth into pacing around his desk, grabbing and pulling my hair. And, he watched everything ramp back down, watched me return to "normal", and it was business as usual. He was astounded, and from that point forward, he bent over backward to to make sure I had all the time I needed to handle a hit. In my opinion, when someone chooses to remain clueless about CH, and nothing you can say will disabuse them of their thoughts that you are a slacker, let them see it. Next time your relative complains about how much pain he is in with his gout, STOMP ON HIS TOE, and say, with the sweetest smile, Oh, Gee, did that hurt? ;;D Sandy |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Superirish2005 on Aug 15th, 2007, 5:48pm most people work using FMLA |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by cindymoore on Aug 16th, 2007, 11:01am My husband has CH and we have no choice but for him to work. He gets the Ch's for about a month and 1/2 in the summer and again in the winter so about three months out of the year. He is lucky that he doesn't have them year round cause i have no idea how we could survive. Is is very hard to let him go to work when he is having them (he works outside year round) because he deals with trying to hide it from the other guys on his crew but at the same time he doesn't like to escape to the truck because he doesn't want his crew to think that he is lazy (he is the foreman). As for your problem, please don't waste your breath.....this person should care enough about you to try to understand what you have to live with. If this person cannot at least try then just let it go.....they don't have to walk in your shoes....you must live your life the best you can and to hell with everyone that has a problem with it. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by George_J on Aug 16th, 2007, 11:35am I'm episodic (6 to 8 weeks per cycle), and I have always worked. But it's only because of my particular circumstance. I almost always get hit at night, and then only once or twice a day during high cycle. I lost a lot of sleep--but I could usually drag myself in the next day. On average, I would miss 2-3 days work during a cycle. Very few people have even seen me take a hit, although a lot of my co-workers commented over the years that I looked like I'd been dragged backwards through a knothole. If I was chronic, and if I got hit more frequently, it would, without doubt, have turned out differently. My respects to all who get through these in any way they can. Best wishes, George |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Superirish2005 on Aug 16th, 2007, 1:17pm most people actually hold jobs with clusters |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Wayne on Aug 16th, 2007, 2:05pm on 08/16/07 at 13:17:47, Superirish2005 wrote:
Gollum, Your opinion on absolutely everything is definitely not wanted! Go away! |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by UN solved on Aug 16th, 2007, 2:18pm on 08/16/07 at 11:01:26, cindymoore wrote:
Disability is NOT a choice. Do you think that most people on disability chose to be on it ? I don't think so. They just have to learn to play the hand that god gave them. Rolling around on the floor, screaming, crying, panicing, etc ... multiple times everyday is NOT A CHOICE either !! Don't you think that one would rather be working than suffering in pain and poverty ?? omg ... choice. It really ticks me off to hear people refer to disability as something that we choose over working for a living. If you were in enough pain, you would have NO CHOICE but to accept disability for the cash and for the medical insurance & treatments !! CHOICE ! HUH !! ::) UNsolved EDITED TO ADD: on 08/16/07 at 13:17:47, Superirish2005 wrote:
I'll agree with that since most people with clusters are episodic |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Superirish2005 on Aug 16th, 2007, 3:02pm i do not beliebe in diasability or unemployment, only choice is to work. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by vietvet2tours on Aug 16th, 2007, 3:08pm on 08/16/07 at 15:02:08, Superirish2005 wrote:
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Brewcrew on Aug 16th, 2007, 4:12pm on 08/16/07 at 15:08:37, vietvet2tours wrote:
I can see it now: "I was looking for something in, oh, I don't know, maybe senior management of a major American corporation." |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Superirish2005 on Aug 16th, 2007, 4:20pm brewcrew final warning stay out of my pots!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Brewcrew on Aug 16th, 2007, 4:59pm [smiley=crackup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Linda_Howell on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:05pm Quote:
Why? You got some home-made chili in there? ROTMFFLMMFAO !!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Brewcrew on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:11pm Very nice, my friend. Edited to add: I wonder what's going to happen now that I've been issued a final warning? Is that like double secret probation? (And no, I wasn't talking to you, dog excrement. I was talking to my friend, Linda.) |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Superirish2005 on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:29pm >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by JenniferD on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:36pm oh no Brew! You got the 7 angry faces post!!!!! OH NO!!!!! whatever shall you do??????????????? |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Peppermint on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:39pm on 08/16/07 at 17:05:41, Linda_Howell wrote:
You kill me Linda... [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Redd on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:46pm on 08/16/07 at 17:36:13, JenniferD wrote:
http://www.ldpride.net/images/scared.gif Brew at his computer? I don't think so.... |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Superirish2005 on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:47pm bewcrew would never ever wants to face si2005 face to face. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by JenniferD on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:49pm ROFLMAO Redd!!!!!! [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif][smiley=crackup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Superirish2005 on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:50pm whats so funny jennifer? I bet you, just like charlotte, do not even have a boyfriend.....LOL |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by aloneuk on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:52pm on 08/16/07 at 17:50:15, Superirish2005 wrote:
you keep on about boyfriends......... do you have one ? |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Superirish2005 on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:53pm NOPE, I am mail and happily married......to a hot woman! |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:57pm maybe some quality time with your lovely lady would take you away from here...... at least for fifteen minutes or so.... |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 16th, 2007, 5:59pm bye bye now ! |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Linda_Howell on Aug 16th, 2007, 6:18pm Quote:
LMBO....need a stamp? How about special delivery to the nearest rubber room. Off you go now..... |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by nani on Aug 16th, 2007, 6:40pm on 08/16/07 at 17:53:34, Superirish2005 wrote:
Inflatable wives don't count, Bobby. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by rolo65 on Aug 16th, 2007, 7:59pm on 08/16/07 at 17:53:34, Superirish2005 wrote:
Ya to your common law mother you dumb FUCK! [smiley=finger.gif] |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by Brewcrew on Aug 16th, 2007, 7:59pm http://www.softdawgs.org/images/BullDog.gif |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by kyitb on Aug 17th, 2007, 8:18am I haven't been able to work for about 6 months now. I'm apprehensive about even looking for a new job knowing that these have attacks have hurt my performance and my ability to even show up. I recently went to Social Security to apply for benefits. We'll see what happens. Good luck with everything ... |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 17th, 2007, 8:42am Kevin , Good luck with application for benefits....Keep me posted .....pf wishes.... phil h |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by kyitb on Aug 17th, 2007, 8:48am They said it will take 3 months or so but, I will let you know. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 17th, 2007, 8:51am Stay strong..angels watching over....phil h ;) |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by southwalessunshine on Aug 17th, 2007, 5:48pm I posted a similar question a little while ago and got many posts telling me how some people here do work regardless of the pain. i commend those who can and wish them all the best. However I felt inadequate as all these people could do it and I couldn't see how it was poss in my case, so this thread has been good for me to see that thank god I'm not alone on this one. I'm chronic and have been for 14 yrs, only properly diagnosed fairly recently, finally and thank god! My cycle was every 3 weeks with 5 days of bad shadows and then the beast for between 24 and 48 hrs. That was bad enough as I was worried how it would fit in with work. My son has just started full time school and I was looking forward to going back to work and getting on with my life. I was worried that if I didn't tell the new employers about my CH I would get in trouble when it told on my sick leave. There is no way i could hide it as even if I managed to get into work during my shadows I would be vague and not really an asset for those 5 days and I would def need the time off for when the beast hit. However, the cycle has changed and for the last 6 weeks or so, I've gone to every day hits. I either get a beast on waking, or around 11 or at 5 pm-6pm, nearly every day. I get shadows all day and during the 6 week period, I've had 3 pain free days. I'm hoping this isn't how life is gonna be but i have to face the fact that it may be. If I thought I couldn't work before, what the heck do i do now? I have recently applied for disability and have been told that if I get accepted I can get a job through them that means that i cannot be sacked for my disability and must have time off. The prob in my head is...I understand how this works and that employers have to have equal rights for disabled people but how many really want someone who is as unreliable as I am and many of you out there? I cannot honestly say that as my cycle stands at this exact moment, I will turn up for work any day soon, unless my cycle settles. I have been an employer in the past, I ran bars right up until my last child was born, and held down various college courses at the same time nd was a single mum to 2 girls, so I'm not afraid of hard work, or a challenege. But let's be honest here, my experience is running bars, I wouldn't employ me! I tried to retrain but couldn't finish the course. the only other choice open to me in the south wales valleys where jobs aren't that great, is a low paid, menial job. Needs must though and I did apply for a few jobs shelf stacking and as a check out chick. I got the mind set that at least I was outta the house and making friends even though my experience was wasted and I wasn't being tested. I wasn't taken on for some as I was over qualified and the others didn't get back to me when I told them of my CH. I thought I'd be honest as I'd get found out anyway. So now my only option is to wait and see if I get accepted for disability and have a long hard think about my future. the thought of never working scares the living crap outta me i gotta be honest. The one thing that keeps me going is my family. The one at home, including my supportive partner. And the one here who, apart from a few trolls, is unjudgemmental and undersatnding. So don't feel as if you have to prove anything to anyone. My doc said to me the other day the prob with this condition is that no-one can see it. if you lost a limb people would understand. Many Ch sufferes hide the actual episodes even from their own families so the guy you sit next to on the bus won't understand. Also Ch is so little known to the general public that they will continue to think it's "just a headache " for a while yet. Try get registered disabled, think of something you can do at home. maybe internet business such as e-bay etc, something you can afford to let wait if you're in cycle for a few days. There is something out there for ua all, even us chronic sufferers. Good luck x |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by kyitb on Aug 17th, 2007, 6:01pm I felt the same way you did when I saw your original post. That's why I didn't respond. Sorry for that. It's come to the point where I can't work. I had to face that. I had so much pride that I was hurting myself. I've given in and asked for help. Like you I know sit and wait for the outcome. If i don't get disability I don't know what I will do. I used to dj at raves at clubs all over the US and abroad. This is my new approach at a income. However i've gotten them while playing with negative results. My head wouldn't even allow me 2 hours of productivity. I feel for you and am glad that you have a strong support system. Your ahead of the game in that aspect. Good Luck to you. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by southwalessunshine on Aug 17th, 2007, 6:10pm I guess dj ing would bring the same probs as working in apub.Thumping music isn't advised when in cycle lol. Seriously though, tap into something you could do. Explore things you wouldn't normally have thought of. My partner suggested writing a book of my personal experiences (not CH) and the conversation turned round to writing children's books. the very next day i sat at the pc and speiled out loads of pages, I shocked myself. I feela little silly as it seems like a pipe dream but I guess if we all thought like that there'd be no writers, pop stars etc. I've collected some work and am in the process of sending it off to agents etc. If they get accepted, fantastic I have something to doaround my CH. if they don't accept them i have an outlet for me and I can write stories for my son, nieces and nephews. Think about something like that and you never know what can come out of it. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 17th, 2007, 6:49pm I'm a chronic and have really stayed strong and continued to work. I'm a therapist and it requires me to stay alert,focused and ever emotionally present. I have had to suddenly end both individual and group sessions due to hits at work. I have been asked," why I'm crying from one eye ", "why is your eye swelling up", "are you ok"," can I get you your ice packs" and "maybe you need to break for oxygen ". Alot of my patients have been with me for many years and have refused any backup counselors or referrals out . I try to stay away from patient care during my normal window of hits 1pm-5pm.... but you know the beast has it's own game plan ....At present I'll continue to muddle through , but I'm sure tired of mywife and therapist partner, plus our office manager announcing , "we've cancelled the rest of your day and we'll drive you home now"......I remain frustrated with this situation ..............pf wishes for all of us... phil h |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by rolo65 on Aug 17th, 2007, 8:42pm I called my boss this morning at 10 after 7 as I’m sucking on the O2 and said I’m going to be a few minutes late. He acted like I was going to be out for the day. I had to explain to him for the second time now that the attacks only last for 30 45 minutes. Everyone thinks there f’n migraines, and you don’t want to scare the new boss with the explanation. I just lost a job I had for over 5 years because of these hideous CH attacks. Then get this I made it on time anyway, so I got attitude for giving a warning. Trying to work with chronic (heavy) CH attacks can be impossible at times. Get some E-tanks and a mask for work it’s the only way to feel safe leaving the house some days! Why the hell aren’t we covered by the ADA so we could have legal recourse on dismissal or lack of work force you out crap like my last employer did! PFD&N to all (even that idiot Superirish2005 troll moron)… Rolo. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by kyitb on Aug 17th, 2007, 11:03pm My last job was selling engineering equipment. I'd have a sale call and wouldn't people to make it. My company would send someone else. Therefore I got no commission. Finally my bosses decided if they were sending someone else they might as well not have me on board anyway. Right now i'm trying to produce my own music. At least it's something I can do from home. That's great with the children's books I wish you luck. We've gotta creatice with our treatment we mught as well use some of that creativity for profit. Phil H. boy could I use a therapist with knowledge of clusterheadaches to bad their isn't much of a market for it. You could be a millionaire if only these things were common ... |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 18th, 2007, 3:33am Here I am..... awakened by my own screams again.... I don't think that I will ever feel this is an acceptible good morning.... Thank God the o2 beat down an 8 in 20 minutes or so.........Anyway I'm glad these ch's are rare and for we the chosen , just our lot.......... I'll be off to work by 8am , with no more sleep this morning .It's just another day here in paradise......I must focus on the my blessings today and not my beast......pain free wishes for all of us this day and night......... phil h |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by kyitb on Aug 18th, 2007, 5:56am Good morning Phil, i'm right here with ya! I goota figure out a way to get some sleep. I'd bet in an average week I sleep 24 hours. It's more of a pass out then a sleep. I just wake up to an attack and never go back to bed till I finally pass out again. |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 18th, 2007, 6:17am Kevin , Do you take anything to help with sleep ? Melatonin helps many .. The problem becomes long term sleep deprivation , reducing our ability to recharge and reinvigorate the body...Loss of sleep over time wears into an ever sinking physical depression.... therefor an antidepressant or two helps . find new solutions to old problems or accept diminishing returns....Sometimes I think my head is a lemon and I want my money back !!!!! pfdan's for all ! I can wish can"t I ? I believe , I believe , I believe better days are just around the corner .........I just can"t seem to measure the distance in time..... oh well ..Make the best day you can....I just got back from swimming with my labs....I never tire of that..phil h |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by kyitb on Aug 18th, 2007, 6:25am I picked up melatonin at my local pharmacy, bottle now gone been on it for a month. No affect on me. I live near a park, i've taken up swinging! I walk to the convenient store in the middle of the night too, good way to pass the time. Lucky for me I have to much pride to be depressed... It does get difficult at times though. Thank god for the internet and digital cable!!! |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by kyitb on Aug 18th, 2007, 6:28am I've gone through an entire bottle of melatonin in a month had no affect on me. Threw it out yesterday actually, emptied. You swim w/ labs. I live by a park and have taken up swinging. I have to much pride to be depressed, it is difficult at times though ... |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by kyitb on Aug 18th, 2007, 6:29am What the hell it didn't post the 1st time. Or maybe i'm just losing it. Whatever. I like how you can tell I got lazy the second time I typed it... |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 18th, 2007, 6:39am I'm following you around the board...I let you message on medications..phil h |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by kyitb on Aug 18th, 2007, 6:42am I'm everywhere on this thing nothing better to do but listen to music and hang out in Clusterville ... |
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Title: Re: Anyone else not able to work? Post by phil_h on Aug 18th, 2007, 6:46am I hear ya ! |
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