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(Message started by: horsegirl on Aug 1^st, 2007, 8:56am)

Title: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by horsegirl on Aug 1^st, 2007, 8:56am

does anyone remember that post on yawning? and responses were ,low on oxygen,and ya they yawn right before hits to.etc... well its weird to me all these things that connect, on " i baleve" good morning america? i barely caught a minute of a segment on yawning. They said its the bodies way of cooling off the brain, that to try breathing through your nose"that cools the brain,one guy joked ,put a ice pack on your head.How many of us do that? I just wonder if theres a connection on body temp or brain temp,in peple with clusters versus those that don't? my husband wont cuddle me in the summer because he says my body radiates heat,

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by 1234 on Aug 1^st, 2007, 9:01am

The only bodies that don't radiate heat are dead ones-up here, we are very grateful to have a warm body next to us, especially in winter, when temperatures can be 50 below zero.

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by Brewcrew on Aug 1^st, 2007, 9:02am

Yawning is the body's way of ridding itself of excess carbon dioxide.

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by vietvet2tours on Aug 1^st, 2007, 9:19am

Could be boredom.

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by Squanto on Aug 1^st, 2007, 9:47am

In my family when someone yawns they say, "Sorry. It's not the company, must be the wallpaper!" Then everyone else yawns.

Squanto

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by Guiseppi on Aug 1^st, 2007, 10:18am

This post made me yawn!!! It's funny how even an article about yawning can make you yawn....much less seeing someone yawn!!!!

Guiseppi

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by horsegirl on Aug 1^st, 2007, 11:07am

evedently you didnt read the post on yawning, thats fine, but my goal is to find what causes these ha and then your closer to finding the cure. no matter how boring the process.

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by billyjoe on Aug 1^st, 2007, 11:30am

Maybe clusterheads yawn because don't get enough sleep, due to being up much of the night pulling our hair out. :)

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by 1234 on Aug 1^st, 2007, 11:35am

on 08/01/07 at 11:30:19, billyjoe wrote:

Maybe clusterheads yawn because don't get enough sleep, due to being up much of the night pulling our hair out. :)

The hair from which "head" :o (sorry, Guiseppe, but it can get sooo boring up here sometimes)? [smiley=huh.gif]

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by swimchica623 on Aug 1^st, 2007, 2:49pm

on 08/01/07 at 11:07:25, horsegirl wrote:

evedently you didnt read the post on yawning, thats fine, but my goal is to find what causes these ha and then your closer to finding the cure. no matter how boring the process.

I think Guiseppi meant that just reading about yawning made him yawn, its so contagious!! Not that your post was boring....and I think everyone radiates heat in the summer, I know I did before and after CH started....

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by vietvet2tours on Aug 1^st, 2007, 3:08pm

on 08/01/07 at 11:07:25, horsegirl wrote:

evedently you didnt read the post on yawning, thats fine, but my goal is to find what causes these ha and then your closer to finding the cure. no matter how boring the process.

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Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by SmoothSippin on Aug 1^st, 2007, 3:12pm

I have in the past thought that the headaches were body temperature related (for me). I have tried cool clothes etc on the head. They help. But I have had these things in the dead of winter as well as summer. So, I am not sure there is a big correlation there.

As far as yawning. I force myself to yawn in bad attacks. More to get the pain out of my jaw (It makes its way there during the bad ones). Also at times I force hyperventilating, believing there is something to the oxygen (or lack there of) thing. I currently do not have access to oxygen, so that was my best stab. Does it work or just a distraction from the pain? I really can not tell you. It seems to shorten them, but "seems" is not all that scientific.

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by thomas on Aug 2^nd, 2007, 11:08am

The hypothalymus controls body temp, and is related to our condition. I know that I am a "furnace".

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by LeeS on Aug 2^nd, 2007, 11:46am

This came up elsewhere recently, and I think you're right Thomas. Here's one I plagiarised earlier (from a book BenUK lent me, I believe):

The hypothalamus is at the base of the brain and in humans it is about the size and shape of an almond. Its main function is to regulate such factors as blood pressure, body temperature, fluids and electrolyte balance, the metabolism of fats and carbohydrates, and sugar levels. Quite an important little nut really.

Structurally, it is joined to the thalamus and the two work together to help generate the sleep/wake cycle. I could go on for ever about the implications of this here, but thankfully (I hear you all say – yawn, yawn), I shall not.

What I will say though is that apart from daily regulation of the endocrine system, the hypo also controls the timing of the release of a variety of neurohormones and neurotransmitters involved in daily and seasonal rhythms. This is thought to be fuelled by the SCN - known as the master body clock - which is believed to be malfunctioning amongst us sufferers.

Homeostasis is the notion that living systems are continually struggling to maintain critical processes at fixed levels e.g. the level of sugar in the blood or oxygen within the brain. It is one of the few big integrative ideas in biology, and some say that it is only second to evolution by natural selection. I think that chronobiology is bestest, but this is just my latest whim.

However, recent research suggests that homeostasis is also greatly affected by our bodies' natural circadian rhythms. There are circadian rhythms involved in body temperature, which is why it is sometimes difficult to determine if someone has a high temperature or not. Our body temperature is seldom at 37 degrees celcius although we try very hard to keep it so. Body temperature control is an example of negative feedback. Thermoreceptors in the skin detect the temperature of the external environment. This sensory information is sent to the hypothalamus, which in turn transmits nerve impulses for corrective mechanisms to occur, or not, in many of our cases as this thread alludes to.

When we are hot we sweat (although I'm sure many here claim to glow), which cools us down as the latent heat of evaporation is carried away to the external environment. This is compounded when the blood vessels close to the skin surface become more dilated, which provides a larger surface area for heat to be lost to the environment from blood vessels carrying overheated blood. Vasoconstriction is the opposite of this and normally occurs naturally when our temperature drops, amongst other things.

At any moment, body temperature is skittering about a set point as these negative feedback mechanisms attempt to maintain the set point. But for healthy people, the set point varies over a 24 hour period, falling in the night and rising during the day, ebbing and flowing, often by more than one degree celcius. As for CH, I think our set points might be a bit higher than others' overall; or perhaps more accurately, the high/low distribution is probably much greater for us throughout the 24 hour day.

If any kids are reading this and wanting to get a day off school next term because of a high temperature, get Mom to take it at its peak during the day, which is normally at about 5.00pm 8)

If that hasn't got you all yawning then I'll start talking about the naked mole rat and its potentially positive limk to future CH therapy – fascinating stuff ;;D

-Lee

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by Rosybabe on Aug 2^nd, 2007, 8:48pm

I am feverish when I get hit, the biggest the kip the warmest I feel, I sweat and my t shirt gets all wet that is why I use ice packs..I also yawn a lot while I am in pain

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by thebbz on Aug 3^rd, 2007, 2:32am

Read up on Goadsby and his research, you will let go of the notion that yawning has anything to do with the cause of CH....jeez.
Good post Lee.
thebb

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by ben_uk on Aug 3^rd, 2007, 5:16am

on 08/01/07 at 08:56:39, horsegirl wrote:

i barely caught a minute of a segment on yawning. They said its the bodies way of cooling off the brain, that to try breathing through your nose"that cools the brain,

Hi Horse girl,
This might be what you are referring to -
http://tinyurl.com/yvrg8n

Also, here’s an interesting/informative hypothesis -
http://www.baillement.com/recherche/insidestory.html

shocked

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by horsegirl on Aug 5^th, 2007, 4:48pm

thanks lee,very informative and thanks to the other responses also.I never said yawning had anything to do with the cause of ch just maybe a symptom, and the body cooling the brain by yawning was on a morning show. just tring to connect the dots, but it seems those dots have already been connected, from what i read in lees' post about the hypothalamus.

Title: Re: clusterheads or hotheads?
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Aug 5^th, 2007, 9:16pm

I dont know if yawning cools the brain, sounds pretty weird to me. If yawning was due to an overheated brain, professional sports people would yawn all the time.
Imagine watching a basketball game, that would be funny. [smiley=laugh.gif]