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(Message started by: Wayne on Jun 10^th, 2007, 1:32pm)

Title: RedBull Rebounds
Post by Wayne on Jun 10^th, 2007, 1:32pm

Hello Everyone

I first tried RedBull as an abortive (with much scepticism I may add) about 3 weeks ago. To my joy and happiness it really kicks Beasties backside right out of my head in double quick time so I have used it everytime I feel a shadow coming on and haven't had anything ove kip 3 since then. The only problem I have found is that the evil SOB sometimes tries to sneak back in an hour or so, another RB and he's gone for the day. What i have found solves this problem is a little OTC tablet called Migril which contains Ergotamine tartrate, Cyclizine hydrachloride and 100mg of caffeine.
If I take one of these little tablets with the RB it keeps the Beast away for minimum 24 hours. I fgure its just cos the RB gives the initial caffeine kick and the tablet releases more slowly to stabalize the whole thing.

Cheers,

Wayne

Title: Re: RedBull Rebounds
Post by thebbz on Jun 10^th, 2007, 1:46pm

IMHO
It's the erotamine working in tandem with the caffiene extending the time between hits.
Caffiene does cause rebounds, in my expierence. As the caffiene works it also sets you up for more and more consumption. I have used up to thousands of mg. daily at times of caffiene. Eventually if you use caffiene all the time it begins to rebound and you find yourself one step ahead of the demon. I found that should you use caffiene for a few days and then hit the demon with some other abortive briefly then back to caffiene this will help avoid rebounds from their use. Use erotamine then switch to caffiene. With that and o2 mixed in as well it helps avoid rebounds............then again.
all the best
jb
BTW: I know my spelling sucks

Title: Re: RedBull Rebounds
Post by Bob_Johnson on Jun 11^th, 2007, 11:29am

A good article which your library can get for you.

Rebound headaches. "Rebound Headaches--A Review", Au. John S. Warner, M.D., in HEADACHE QUARTERLY, 10:3(1999). (There is some confusion on the board about the meaning of "rebound". There appears to be an emerging consensus in the medical literature to define "rebound" as a headache which is caused by the overuse of any medication used to abort a headache or relieve pain. "Recurrence" [of a headache] is being used to refer to the redevelopment of an attack when its "normal" duration is longer than the useful life of the medication which has been taken. That is, the medication effectiveness is reducing before the headache has come to an end; the pain redevelops.)

Title: Re: RedBull Rebounds
Post by Wayne on Jun 12^th, 2007, 11:13am

Hello Bob

I see what you mean about rebound vs reoccurance, I found this article on rebound headaches, although this applies only to normal type headaches not clusters you can see it on www.headacheclinic.co.za:

"People who take headache medications frequently risk developing a chronic daily headache. Most patients who develop such a headache have been taking regular doses of one or more headache medications to suppress their frequently occurring natural headache, and they continue to do so after the chronic daily headache sets in. Although this daily headache is not impressively reduced by the medication, it often flares up markedly when doses are delayed or skipped. In this way Headache medications can become highly addictive and make the headaches worse and more frequent as time goes on.

Analgesic Rebound Headache (ARH) is the result of taking certain types of popular headache medications at regular intervals. Research at The Headache Clinic shows that at least 30% of our patients are suffering from ARH caused by abuse of headache medications. ARH is often worse and more frequent than the original headaches.
There are two main types of medication used to treat headache:

Analgesics (pain relievers) and other drugs used to control the pain once it has started (abortives)
Medication to decrease the frequency of headaches (preventatives).
When certain abortive drugs are taken a number of times a week on a regular basis, they can cause Analgesic Rebound Headache (ARH). As ARH developes, the analgesics lose their effectiveness. This leads to the patient having to take them more frequently and in larger doses. The headaches become more frequent and more severe, and even the preventative medication that they may be taking becomes less effective. Although simple analgesics like aspirin and paracetamol can lead to ARH, it is more frequently caused by analgesics which contains additional substances like caffeine or codeine."

So essentially this means that too many meds containing caffiene etc can lead to an ARH, well surprise surprise that can no way be worse than CH.