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Title: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by georgej on Feb 25th, 2007, 11:06am I see that I'm not the only one to have residual pain after a high-kip, lengthy CH. It seems to be a fairly common phenomenon. Often, people will refer to it as a "shadow"--I know that I have--but a "shadow" (from my reading of the kip scale, anyway) seems to more properly describe a ramping CH that does not reach a high kip level. The difference between a low-level hit and residual pain is pretty distinct in my experience. A low-level hit has a piercing quality (not as severe as a higher-level hit) and it seems to provoke the same sort of mounting anxiety as any ramping hit--will this be bad or not? Residual pain is different--most people (including myself) would describe it as a dull pain, like feeling beaten up or bruised on the inside. There doesn't seem to be the anxiety or the secondary tearing or sweating associated with it. It hurts, sure, but it doesn't compare to an actual hit. Then it gradually fades. It seems to me that these are two distinct things. If they are, then a "shadow" does not accurately describe residual pain. Problem is, "residual pain" sounds a little clunky. Is there a zinger word we can use to describe residual pain? "Bruiser"? "Dullard"? "Skulljob"? I dunno. I don't like any of them. We've invented all the other terms we use, and I, for one, would like to see a vivid word that describes residual pain. Perhaps somebody can come up with something that'll enter the lexicon. Best, George |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Guiseppi on Feb 25th, 2007, 2:23pm I call mine the CH hangover! ;;D Guiseppi |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by MJ on Feb 25th, 2007, 3:04pm Shadows can cover a lot as it is the accompanying residuals or it can be the omen of things to come. Shadow = the feelings or shadow of the beast. Lit from behind or ahead. However I too often refer to it as a hangover. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Brewcrew on Feb 25th, 2007, 3:22pm The wet spot. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Barry_T_Coles on Feb 25th, 2007, 5:57pm For me shadowing is anything on the KIP scale between 1 & 4; 5 is where the real pain starts, anything below is annoying to varying degrees and is probably best described as a hangover where the level of the hangover depends on the amount you have drunk the night before IE had a real blinder binge of a night expect a KIP 4, had a couple more than you should have = feeling shitty. Hangover sounds like the best description for me. Cheers Barry |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Barry_T_Coles on Feb 25th, 2007, 6:00pm on 02/25/07 at 15:22:27, Brewcrew wrote:
You are terrible ;;D Go wash your mouth out with chocolate ;;D |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Brewcrew on Feb 25th, 2007, 6:38pm on 02/25/07 at 18:00:10, Barry_T_Coles wrote:
Swish, swish, spit. No, wait - swish, swish, swallow. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by cyberone on Feb 27th, 2007, 2:04pm for me it starts with a nerve "taste"...like a little burning in my nose... then what feels like a CH coming.. it will come in various strengths... alcohol brinngs in on faster...but after keeps it (shadow not CH) away longer....i like the word shadow...sept when its strong... :( |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by thebbz on Feb 27th, 2007, 3:12pm If it aint broke, dont fix it. A shadow is a shadow. A strong shadow is a strong shadow. A hit is a hit. I dont treat shadows. I treat a hit,meaning the shadow is progressing, the heartrate and other autonomic nervous reactions are starting to happen. Thats just me, others have their own limits and nomenclature. A rock is a rock. Call it what you want georgej your allowed. all the best jb |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Lobster on Feb 27th, 2007, 3:49pm I have no decent suggestion... The shadow and actual CH are neuropathic pain. The 'afterburn' is much more like nociceptive pain. I dunno, BBZ... the afterburn is different from a shadow. For me, a shadow is a mild variant of a full CH. But you know the feeling after a hit, when you are in the LazyBoy saying 'man, that fucking hurt'? It is not the same... it does feel more like trauma, not unlike a bruise developing. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Guiseppi on Feb 27th, 2007, 6:46pm I like the term trauma cuz it does feel like you've endured a whoopin! Guiseppi |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by BigCoffinHunter on Feb 27th, 2007, 6:54pm on 02/25/07 at 14:23:26, Guiseppi wrote:
That's always been my work for them! |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by BigCoffinHunter on Feb 27th, 2007, 6:58pm Well into my cycle, my hits were so bad that the hangovers lasted for 5 hours or more. I got no sleep, the pain was 2/3 of a hit, almost dancing intense. My neuro had me take 4 Aleve before bed, to pre-medicate me. It did help substantially, the hangovers were a lot more bearable, and I was able to get sleep. I'd definitely consult with the physician/neuro before going this route though....it's probably rough on the liver. Note this was for the hangovers only, not to treat the CH. I had Verap and Zomig for those. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by JeffB on Feb 27th, 2007, 7:06pm "F_CKER" |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Barry_T_Coles on Feb 27th, 2007, 8:03pm on 02/27/07 at 19:06:54, JeffB wrote:
They were a great old plane them FOCKER FRIENDSHIPS. ;;D |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Skyhawk5 on Feb 27th, 2007, 8:10pm I have called it the 'after effect' while trying to explain it to the wife. This is difficult to control pain for me. Last Sunday I had my 1st kip-9 of this new cycle that lasted 2hrs. The after or residual pain lasted 4 hrs. and wouldn't let me sleep. I remembered reading here about coffee and thanks guys it worked. Still couldn't sleep but the pain left. I think there is a difference between the two types. I want to thank all you great people on this site, you have given me hope with just knowing you understand and the light is always on. Bless you all, Skyhawk |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by AussieBrian on Feb 27th, 2007, 8:18pm I've always called it the after-glow, but it's after-burn fom now on. Thanks, Lobster. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by thebbz on Mar 1st, 2007, 2:48pm I would call it, parked, as in the demon is not in gear but parked and running. Then it must be so. Its not a shadow or a hangover but the demon in neutral gassing up for another run. [smiley=huh.gif] all the best jb Actually I dont think there is a wrong here. were all right. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by E-Double on Mar 1st, 2007, 2:58pm on 02/25/07 at 15:22:27, Brewcrew wrote:
[smiley=laugh.gif] actually.........the burn!!!! It always felt like acid reflux behind my neck up to the ear into the skull......... We call it chemical burn |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by oakie on Mar 7th, 2007, 11:11am Yes i agree there should be a name !!!! i call them after shocks |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by sailpappy on Mar 7th, 2007, 12:24pm ;;D ;;D "Post Slam Jambs" ::) ::) |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by TonyYZF on Mar 11th, 2007, 12:43pm I think I would like them to be called the "scrumdidleyumptious". YES! Thats it... the scrumdidleyumptious. I hearby declare that the brain bashing reverb will hence forth be called the "SCRUMDIDLEYUMPTIOUS"! Just rolls off the tongue, don't it? I love it when a plan comes together. Tony |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by LeLimey on Mar 11th, 2007, 12:50pm But Tony - that means something nice you wombat! I think of shadows as forerunners or low kips but the "hangover" is how I think of the dregs of a hit that you just can't shake too |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by TonyYZF on Mar 11th, 2007, 1:34pm OK LeLimey, How about "scrumdidleynastyfarginbastage"...YES! Thats it again. I have done it. ;;D I henceforth declare that the artist formerly known as "scrumdidleyumptious" will now be known as "SCRUMDIDLEYNASTYFARGINBASTAGE"! Oh the irony. Oh the humanity. No need for thanks. Don't applaud, just throw money. Ahhh...scrumdidleynastyfarginbastage...yup Tony |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by LeLimey on Mar 11th, 2007, 1:36pm Tony - have I told you lately that you are nuttier than squirrel sheet?! ::) ;;D |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by TonyYZF on Mar 11th, 2007, 1:40pm mmmmmmm....squirrel sheet.....mmmmmmm |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by LeeS on Mar 12th, 2007, 11:41am Some neurologists (mainly in Europe) call shadows "Interictal Headaches". This article suggests that just 16% of CH sufferers experience shadows (14% ECH - 28% CCH), but this seems pretty low to me :-/ http://jnnp.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/74/8/1123.pdf -Lee |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by TonyYZF on Mar 13th, 2007, 11:53am Sure hope I don't get any inter-rectal headaches. Of course my dad always told me if I keep it up I will be wearing my ass for a helmet. ;;D Tony |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Brewcrew on Mar 13th, 2007, 12:13pm on 03/13/07 at 11:53:44, TonyYZF wrote:
Me, too. http://www.prosoundweb.com/fun/Photofun/76-head_up_ass.jpg |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by MorDog on Mar 17th, 2007, 8:42pm I always called them CH Hangovers too but I do like the term afterburn. Shadows are different from what happens after a bad CH for me. But they all SUCK the same. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by chucknot on Mar 17th, 2007, 9:29pm Whatever you call them I am pretty sure they would floor anyone who never had a CH. I just started having those on my last cycle and at the most ferocious point they would be would hang around for hours...sometime right up to the next hit. At 5 to 7 CH's a day I got to where I would actually fall asleep in a brutal residual and marval that I could do so. I like the trauma suggestion somewhat. But it does lack the raw edge entitlement of radioactive afterburn. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Julygirl0721 on Mar 18th, 2007, 1:47am I have had "shadows" from the time of my first CH cycle yes they would floor anyone without CH's I have always told my husband that I am having the "pain between the pain" The wet spot. lol..... not getting wet when I am in that spot LMAO!! Julygirl |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by brian trudeau on Mar 18th, 2007, 2:58pm I would say bruised for sure. Its almost like that swollen gushy feeling like around your ankle when you sprain it. thats what it feels like to me between the actual bad hits.- Glad that the hit is gone but know the cycle has not ended yet. The bruised swollen feeling leaves with the cycle.The word shadow is i think refering to where the beast is hiding out in the shadows waiting for me to go to sleep so he can pop back out in the darkness -BT |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by ClusterChuck on Mar 19th, 2007, 11:56am on 02/25/07 at 18:38:36, Brewcrew wrote:
OMG!!! Brewcrew SWALLOWS!!! (me too!) LOL on 03/07/07 at 12:24:11, sailpappy wrote:
I never called them anything .. I just said I was recuperating from the hit .. But I like SailPappy's name!!! Chuck |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by Brewcrew on Mar 19th, 2007, 3:04pm on 03/19/07 at 11:56:46, ClusterChuck wrote:
Cheeky monkey. |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by pieface_49 on Mar 25th, 2007, 12:33pm The "shadows" lurk throughout my cycle. As I type, the twinging/burning in the nasal passage occurs. I liken it to a sneeze that never happens. Enough to let me know the "beast" has not expired. I live with these "shadows" for the complete cycle. Sometimes fleeting, sometimes reoccuring until the pain becomes constant. I can put my finger on the end my nasal passage and quell the feeling. The residual numb pain is almost always there after a good bout with the "beast". Aching jaw, temple and eye with some soreness in the gums. I hope this cycle I am in is ending! The residual effects of a bad episode are lingering with me now. A headache (really a headache) in the front and back of my head. It won't go away. The last bad "hit" was 3 days ago. The lingering headache is nothing compared to a hit. I also notice the residuals leave my mind like jelly. Memory is bad and I am not near as sharp as I can be. Perhaps this is because of physical exhaustion? I like Tony's synonym but it is too difficult to spell for a headbanger? Perhaps we could say we have "clusterhead"? Or we have "hithead" or even better, we have "$hithead" ;;D |
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Title: Re: A Word for Residual Pain? Post by bearbadger on Mar 27th, 2007, 4:20pm I have jsut realized that is exactly what I've been experiencing the last 3 days. It's a shadow that won't go away. I guess because my "hit" Sat night was so minor compared to any other cycle I've had I keep trying to talk myself into the fact that maybe I'm not really in a cycle. Yet I know, in the back of my mind, that I am and at any given moment I will be in great pain. For me, the not knowing when and the anticipation of the next big one is one of the worst parts of all this. And now I'm trying to explain to my new fiance about all of this and he feels so helpless and I just keep hoping it'll go away before it really starts. I think I needed this reality check. I've been waiting all day fo rthe Dr to call and he hasn't so I'm going to call them again. Lisa |
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