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Title: Not my cluster cure Post by kcopelin on Oct 15th, 2006, 8:09pm I have brought this over from another thread because apparently other people have also checked up on this. Therefore, sit back and let me tell ya a story. It all began at a CalOUCH meet and Greet when someone mentioned that they saw on the Simpsons something about Homer (a paragon of intellectual curiosity) chasing down and licking toads because they secrete a hallucinogen when annoyed. If you saw it on the Simpsons it must be true. In this case...there really are some research projects going on with neuro toxins found in the wild. Not to be confused with oxymorons found in captivity. I have found info about the giant monkey frog, who secretes a toxin through his skin when "annoyed" by mild electrical currents. They are milking these frogs and studying the use of the toxin in treating deep vein thrombosis and some mental health disorders. Hmmm, very interesting.... There is the golden poison frog. Never, I repeat, never lick or kiss that one. Got enough toxin on its skin to kill 8-10 people. The aboriginal peoples of South America used to rub the tips of their darts on the frog-that way it didn't matter if they were good aims, just had to nick their prey. The toxin that many of these critters have in common is TTX. Then there's the blow fish... So lest anyone get huffy bout this-its not exactly a hijack-just mentioning that there are more things in heaven and on earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. ( has a nice ring to it, that line. Must have come from the Simpsons) In response to the above information: Bufotenin, also known as 5-hydroxy-DMT. It's a tryptamine related to the neurotransmitter, serotonin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufotenin Chemical structure bears a close relationship to that of LSD and psylocybin. This is off-topic, though, certainly. It probably deserves its own toad-licking thread. Best, George I agree with George, so here you have it- a "not a cure" thread about hallucenogenic toads. What more could anyone ask for on a Sunday afternoon? Kathy ;;D |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by kcopelin on Oct 15th, 2006, 8:12pm George, followed you rlink.....OMGosh..... "the church of the toad of light"!!!!!! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] ROTFLMBO kathy |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Charlotte on Oct 15th, 2006, 8:15pm "Some severe poisonings were recorded after some toad-lickers mistakenly used Bufo marinus (Common Cane Toad) and other species for this purpose. The venom of B. marinus contains Bufotenin alongside powerful heart steroids, the use of which can lead to heart attacks and death." So be careful, kids. c Kathy, put the toad down. |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Barry_T_Coles on Oct 15th, 2006, 8:23pm I don’t care if it does turn into a handsome Prince, I’ll try most things once but one does draw the line somewhere & I aint liken no toad.[smiley=hurl.gif] |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by AussieBrian on Oct 15th, 2006, 8:39pm Cane toads were introduced to Australia around 1935 in an attempt to control the sugar cane beetle like it does in it's native South America. Difference is that our beetles fly and toads don't. They've gone on to become one of our most serious pests and their effect on local wildlife is horrifying to see. I've seen various recipes for their use as hallinagens (some quite remarkable) but the result on users is always pretty much the same - brains like scrambled eggs. Until quite recently it was an offence against the Drugs Act to own or process any toad products so woe befell a couple of Queensland blokes who started making leather wallets from the skins. The judge had no option but to prosecute them, while commenting that they were only doing a wonderful act towards native animal conservation, and fined them a total of ten cents each without the recording of a conviction. |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by BB on Oct 15th, 2006, 8:49pm I am sorry but I refuse to test licking toads even in the name of medicine. I reserve my right to change my mind only in the event that it can be proven that doing so will land me a handsome AND rich Prince. But then knowing my luck he will probably be gay ... ::) Annette |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Guiseppi on Oct 15th, 2006, 9:28pm I still wanna know who figured out that pissing off a toad,......and then licking it....gave you a narcotic high? How many animals did they piss off and lick before they discovered the toad? Gerbils, rodents, cats...the odds are astronomical that the first critter they annoyed and licked hit paydirt for them. Sigh....some people have waaaaaay too much time on their hands...... ;;D Guiseppi PS..I know a source in Sacramento for colorful psychedelic toads....... |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by georgej on Oct 15th, 2006, 10:20pm I did some further research on toad-licking and came up with this citation from a German website: http://www.grow.de/Archiv/Magazine/05-02/DMT/dmt02.htm In part, it states: Das 5-Me0-DMT wurde erstmals in Dictyoloma incanescens DC. entdeckt, später auch aus Anadenanthera peregrina isoliert. Es kommt in sehr vielen Pflanzen vor, meist vergesellschaftet mit N,N-DMT. Es ist etwas stärker wirksam als N,N-DMT und besetzt bei gleichzeitiger Gabe schneller die dafür vorgesehenen Rezeptoren. 5-Me0-DMT ist ein natürlicher Neurotransmitter im menschlichen Nervensystem. Wenn 5-Me0-DMT (10-20 mg) geraucht bzw. verdampft und inhaliert wird, tritt die Wirkung blitzartig ein, ist äußerst extrem und dauert ca. 10 Minuten. Viele Menschen machen mit dieser Substanz schamanische Erfahrungen, erleben Erleuchtungszustände und das klare Licht des Nirwana (Metzner 1988. And who can argue with that? Google endearingly translates this as: The 5-Me0-DMT became for the first time in Dictyoloma incanescens DC. discovered, later also from Anadenanthera peregrina isolates. It seems to N-DMT in very many plants, usually nationalized with N. It is somewhat more strongly effectively than N, N-DMT and occupied with simultaneous gift faster the receptors planned for it. 5-Me0-DMT is a natural neurotransmitter in the human nervous system. If 5-Me0-DMT (10-20 mg) smokes and/or evaporates and is inhaliert, the effect occurs lightning-like, is extremely extreme and takes approx. 10 minutes. Many humans make schamanische experiences with this substance, experience illuminating conditions and the clear light of the Nirwana (Metzner 1988. So for an experience that occurs lightning-like and is extremely extreme, licking your local toad might be just the ticket, if you can get past the wart thing. I don’t think it’s a cure, though. ;;D Best, George |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by BB on Oct 15th, 2006, 11:04pm on 10/15/06 at 22:20:14, georgej wrote:
ROTFL ! [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] Does this mean I will get to glow in the dark if I try it, George ? ;;D Annette |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by BikerBob on Oct 16th, 2006, 2:17am There he is! Down there on the lower right. Grab him quick before he gets away! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l131/BikerBob007/frog.jpg BB ;;D |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by sailpappy on Oct 16th, 2006, 4:17am :o :o I don't eat wild mushrooms because of the risk involved so I certainly wouldn't lick a toad?? Pretty interesting thread!! We had cane toads in South Florida also for the same reason, to protect Sugar Cane. What a Nightmare! However bizzar sounding once the Pharmacutical companies figure out what doseage is safe I am sure we will be using it just as frequently as Botox! Pappy http://home.comcast.net/~jhallahan2/wsb/media/299782/site1285.gif |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by kcopelin on Oct 16th, 2006, 9:58am Dear George, That's why I named the thread "Not my Cluster cure" You know who I'm concerned about? Whoever is in charge of milking the toads-I've held alot of jobs in my life-but even I have some self-respect. 8) Guisp: I've often wondered the same thing about artichokes-who first saw them and thought "Yummy. Bet we could eat those" And how long did it take to figure out that you have to boil them for about 3 hours to make them edible? I know for certain they were found after fire and mayonaisse were invented. ;;D Happy Monday y'all. If you're reading this it means ya woke up without a toe tag and that's a good thing-you're alive to fight another day. Peace and pain free time for all! Kathy |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Charlotte on Oct 16th, 2006, 10:11am toad milking would be the highest honor bestowed on potential candidates for membership. If they croak, they weren't warty. Happy Monday. c |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by BarbaraD on Oct 16th, 2006, 10:46am Now if I could be GUARANTEED a handsome and RICH prince, maybe...... After all I DID wear banana peels all day....... :-/ Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by kcopelin on Oct 16th, 2006, 3:27pm [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] "Not warty" I get it, and that was funny, Charlotte. Donna, that was a frozen banana right? I just love this place! kathy |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by floridian on Oct 16th, 2006, 3:31pm Charlotte is right - toad venom contains more than bufotenin - it also contains cardiac glycosides that act like digitalis. Can be quite fatal. |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by kcopelin on Oct 16th, 2006, 3:39pm So, what you're saying Floridian, is that this is a bad idea? :-/ Alright, I'll put the damned toads back where I found them. Geez, just when I was starting to have fun, some really smart person who does his homework comes along and says things like "could be fatal". Attention: every single person who thought this thread was for real-that I was advocating licking toads-do not lick any toads. Not now, not ever. No more toad licking. thank you Floridian-for real-you do awesome research. kathy |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Charlotte on Oct 16th, 2006, 3:46pm Thanks, Kathy. I needed that. c |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by floridian on Oct 16th, 2006, 3:52pm Keep searching for that |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Tata on Oct 17th, 2006, 12:35am on 10/15/06 at 20:49:12, BB wrote:
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by BB on Oct 17th, 2006, 1:40am LOL ! Tata How does it help my husband out if I go licking a few psychedelic toads ? More likely that will send me straight to Heaven where I will be denied entry and get sent back down here anyway ;;D On the other hand, making $$ impregnating men sounds like a great idea ! Any male members here want to volunteer in the name of medical research ? 8) Annette |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by georgej on Oct 17th, 2006, 1:51am on 10/17/06 at 01:40:50, BB wrote:
I'll pass. I'm probably menopausal anyway. George |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by AussieBrian on Oct 17th, 2006, 3:39am on 10/17/06 at 01:40:50, BB wrote:
I'd rather lick a toad. |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Tata on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:07am on 10/17/06 at 01:40:50, BB wrote:
You're right---I have no idea what I was thinking. and thanx for the laughs--it feels good afterthe last few days. |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Charlotte on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:58am Ditto on the thx. This is the lightest my heart's been in awhile. I love youpeople. c |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by vig on Oct 17th, 2006, 7:05pm this is Toad... http://www.geocities.com/paul_vignola/toadBeaconHeights.jpg if I catCH you licking Toad, we're gonna have to sit you down and have a looooooooong talk. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Not4Hire on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:03pm ahem... i'm fairly sure that *this* thread has pushed the edges of the envelope*... and General Chuck Yeager http://www.chuckyeager.com/home.htm has given us the Definition of *PTEOTE* ...but I digress... I strenuously protest that oxymorons may be propagated/found in captivity. (don't ask...I GOT the t-shirt...and was present at the concert) mayonaisse sounds like a *French* word and is obviously suspect. frog wallets: I rest my case. BD in a banana-skin bikini: priceless (and REALLY kinda scary) maybe I should google: reality or not... 8) |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by kcopelin on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:35pm Ah Vig, Toad is Cute! Why'd ya call him Toad? and yes, this thread is definitely pushing the envelope ewhich may be exactly what we need to find a "not cure". 8) Kathy |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by BB on Oct 17th, 2006, 9:38pm on 10/17/06 at 19:05:05, vig wrote:
Its going to be difficult to have a loooooong talk when the reply may just be " woof" ;;D Annette |
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Title: Re: Not my cluster cure Post by Barry_T_Coles on Oct 17th, 2006, 11:26pm on 10/17/06 at 19:05:05, vig wrote:
Um, No thanks I prefer to get a hairy tongue from good scotch & I'm sure the taste is better. ;;D Barry |
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