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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Thomas_Martin on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:01pm No offense to the people who is religious, but since I don't believe in god, I would say no. ;) |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Charlotte on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:14pm I would say yes, sometimes it is the only thing that gets me through. And thank you, people here who have prayed for me. Charlotte |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:18pm He hears you loud and clear, it would seem however that he just chooses to do nothing about it right now....... scott |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by vig on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:21pm I think prayer makes people feel better.... which is positive in itself.... but other than that, no :-/ my $.02 (& I'm NOT an atheist) |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by chewy on Aug 1st, 2006, 1:39pm Quote:
Ditto. Its something to do while you are writhing in pain. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Superpain on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:37pm I've got to believe it's part of His plan. To make you stronger or something. Sounds pretty fucked up to me. But I quit questioning His reaons or seemingly lack of concern for CH a longtime ago. Maybe it's His way of bringing us together. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Linda_Howell on Aug 1st, 2006, 2:49pm I believe in the power of prayer but HE has been saying "NO" to me for a long time now. :-[ |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by kevinpix on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:00pm I heard that God's time is different than ours. All of this time, like years, is one second in time for him. It sucks to have this pain!! |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Bond007 on Aug 1st, 2006, 3:32pm I often wondered why I was molested and raped as a child. My shrink always told me "that which doesn't kill us makes us stronger". I always thought it was a load hooey. Stronger for what I always asked myself. Now, I understand. God was preparing me for these damn things? That's just a sick joke, imho! |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by drivin_blind on Aug 1st, 2006, 4:02pm Can't say it really works or he, or she, or it, if any of "Them" exist, would have taken me during the many times I prayed to die. And that is probably an understatment. Never quite had the "guts" to do it myself, but I certainly prayed for it to happen. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by mr.c on Aug 1st, 2006, 4:21pm Sometimes God calms the storm. :) Sometimes He calms the sailor. :D Sometimes He lets the sailor swim. ;;D (Interpret how you please.) Michael aka Mr. C Not an athiest |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Mattrf on Aug 1st, 2006, 4:44pm I pray that what ever the lesson God is teaching me I learn it fast. Some times it seems that prayer is all I have to hang on to. Matt |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Jill on Aug 1st, 2006, 6:59pm I am not on the board posting much anymore but I did want to respond to this one. It was always told to me that clusters and other diseases come to those that are strong. I am not sure if that is true or not but I think that we all can say that we have become stronger for it, maybe even our family has. Kind of goes with that 'what doesnt kill us only makes us stronger.' I know that I have learned that there is strength within me that I never knew was there, that is why I can keep my head up out of the water while being chronic for four years. I bet that if we all look, we can see a change within ourselves for the better - maybe we have become more compassionate for others, developed a better understanding of pain or have found a new determination to go on within ourselves. There is also a quote that I have lived by that says that '"If you learn from your suffering and really come to understand the lesson you were taught you might be able to help someone else who is now in the phase. Maybe that is what its all about after all..' So maybe that is part of why we suffer. No one can know though. So I guess that prayer can work if you believe it, maybe it is part of a mind set. I beg Him to help everytime I get hit hard but still the pain is there, does he hear me? I dont know, I hope so but I am not sure. I have lost faith at times, right now being one of them but still I beg for help. Maybe one day I will understand the reason why and I will be able to see that greater picture. But for now, I fight. Jill |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by maffumatt on Aug 1st, 2006, 7:11pm Sometimes an answered prayer is one left unanswered. Matt |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by LadyElaine1 on Aug 1st, 2006, 7:13pm Yes Prayer helps, it did me anyway. I was chronic for over 20 years, I Prayed hard with every hit. It took him 20 years to answer I am now Eposidic. I guess there is just so many people in the world Praying it takes him a while to answer ! He will ! |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by chewy on Aug 1st, 2006, 9:28pm Quote:
Perfect ! |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Jonny on Aug 1st, 2006, 9:39pm If there was a God we would not be going through this pain....IMO! |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Sean_C on Aug 1st, 2006, 9:57pm on 08/01/06 at 12:57:20, kevinpix wrote:
That was bait :-/ Guess who? First one don't count . Sean.................................... |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by kcopelin on Aug 1st, 2006, 11:58pm The prayers of a righteous man (or woman) availeth much....God always hears, He always answers according to His will-not ours. Have I prayed for these headaches to stop-you bet. Have I had every single believer in Jesus Christ that I know pray for me-you bet. Have the headaches stopped-no. Am I more compassionate now than before-yes. Has the pain brought me closer to God-yes. Because I am not able to work outside the home full time, am I here for my son-yep. Would I still be working like a madwoman building up riches here at the expense of my family-yep. Do I still pray every night that these headaches will stop-yep. I'll keep on praying that, just as I pray for every single one of you. If you don't believe-well, it can't hurt, right? Faith and spirituality do have a role in healing-not slap you on the forward and yell "be healed"-but in creating a sense of peace and calm that allows for healing-if its possible. If not-at least your time here isn't a total wash. IMHO and I can't believe I answered this one. ::) PFDAN y'all kathy |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Charlotte on Aug 2nd, 2006, 12:21am Thank you, Kathy. Charlotte |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by kissmyglass on Aug 2nd, 2006, 12:33am Kevinpix = CHTom ::) |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by CHvsTN on Aug 2nd, 2006, 4:57am I don't believe what I'm reading here. How could anyone think that their god has got anything to do with them suffering years of torture and also think that praying would help because perhaps he/she/it will change his/her/its mind and end the torture? I would have thought that CH would be the final proof that people would need to shake off their religious beliefs. Victor Meldrew |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by sandie99 on Aug 2nd, 2006, 5:17am I believe in God. Strongly. And I do pray a lot, usually for others and often for folks at here. I have asked guidance time or two. I believe that every prayer is answered. Just sometimes the answer is no. Best wishes & PFdays to all, Sanna |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by LeLimey on Aug 2nd, 2006, 6:10am I'm not about to start knocking anyone's visible OR invisible means of support. If praying gives you strength, if faith keeps you going then thats all I want to know. I think this is a distinctly personal question to ask anyone and has no place here where all it is going to do is start a flame war where people are looking for help. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by kcopelin on Aug 2nd, 2006, 11:02am Amen Helen...I'm starting to agree with the CHTom idea... kathy |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Mattrf on Aug 2nd, 2006, 3:44pm on 08/02/06 at 04:57:12, CHvsTN wrote:
Hay Newbie it was a simple question if you do not believe then that is your choice an no one should slam you for not believing in God nor should you slam others who do. Bottom line is no one is going to change your belief or non-belief. We are here for support and your type of reply begs for a flame war to begin, and that is not why we are here. Matt |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by thomas on Aug 2nd, 2006, 4:01pm I don't know if prayer works or not, but every time I am done with a hit, I say "Thank you Jesus." |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by chopmyheadoff on Aug 3rd, 2006, 2:18am on 08/02/06 at 06:10:44, LeLimey wrote:
i completely agree with helen (for once 8)) anyway the only god i pray to is GlaxoSmithKline !! |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Charlotte on Aug 3rd, 2006, 8:46am A question like this won't really start a flame war. We all have an answer & it is firm. I still like to see what people think. It's good to get to know the people who mean something to you. Charlotte |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Bob P on Aug 3rd, 2006, 9:54am I'm with ya Thomas. The good Lord has stopped every cluster attack I've ever had, eventually. What if hell is a 24/7 Kip 10? |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by chopmyheadoff on Aug 3rd, 2006, 10:00am on 08/03/06 at 09:54:06, Bob P wrote:
oooof |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 3rd, 2006, 10:20am on 08/02/06 at 16:01:56, thomas wrote:
Sadly I always say, "F&ck, that hurt!" Do you think God will hold that against me too? :P Scott |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by starlight on Aug 3rd, 2006, 11:31am I believe God does hear prayers. For many many years I went untreated. Then got oxygen (which was not a cure all for me). It sounds stupid but when this cycle started, fear gripped my heart at what was ahead of me, but I listened to the doctor I took melatonin right away--woke up next night with headache coming on, heart was racing, terrified, and strangely, miraculously, the pain, almost immediately, dissipated--first tried to break out the top of the other side of my head (terrifiying) and then sent warm electrical feeling down my right leg (again terrifying) and then vanished. For me that was the hand of God reaching down to help me. I had never had something "stamp out" a headache like that. Nothing had ever had any power over the beast. It was unmistakable to me at the time. God was helping me. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by drivin_blind on Aug 3rd, 2006, 3:33pm on 08/03/06 at 09:54:06, Bob P wrote:
That is the most UNGODLY thing i've ever read. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by TimJohnson on Aug 3rd, 2006, 11:44pm Interesting replies. When I think of God I think of the power behind the Universe. I don't think that power manipulates us all like we want to think it does. I do pray on a regular basis and I have begges for help during an attack. I am episodic, so when I have my wits about me (not in a cycle) the above is my theology. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Katherinecm on Aug 4th, 2006, 12:52am The other night my mom walked in on me in the middle of a KIP-10. I'd woken her up. She started philosophizing about what God's purpose could be for that, about how I'd had incredibly high pain tolerance even as a child and how there must be a reason why it's being stretched even higer now. Today when I finished pacing a little earlier she told me she'd railed at God to take the pain away from me. "What did he say," I asked. "He's thinking about it," she said. I thought it was amusing. For the most part I don't even pray about it. Perhaps I should. "You have not because you ask not," and all that. I used to work in ministry, and I learned at some point along the way to not pray for things unless I either knew them to be in God's will or was really passionate about them and prayed God's will above all else. I suppose I should be passionately, actively spiritually fighting to get better. But for the most part I'm just tired. Maybe that's the drugs I'm on. Maybe I'm depressed. Maybe both. I believe in God, but I don't think we can rely on God to get us through things we need to take responsibility for ourselves. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by CHTom on Aug 4th, 2006, 1:36am Which god to we pray to [smiley=huh.gif]? There are so many religions in the world, so many gods and each religion, and the sects within those religions, each claiming to be the "true" religion with the "true" god, it is a bit confusing. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by mr.c on Aug 4th, 2006, 1:46am The Question of God will probably never be answered on this board... That being said... God gave us each a unique set of problems before we came to earth. This was His gift to us--to help us become our best selves. It is what we do with these problems, how we overcome them... That is our gift to Him. To say there is no God because there is pain in silly. We could never appreciate heaven if we haven't had trials. It is impossible to KNOW the sweet, if we have never tasted the bitter. At the risk of sounding like a zealot, "The Son of Man hath descended below them all... Art thou greater than he?" All that being said... I don't mean to offend anybody. Hope you all have a pain free night. :) Michael aka mr.c |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by seasonalboomer on Aug 4th, 2006, 8:38am on 08/04/06 at 01:46:25, mr.c wrote:
Damn. I was so counting on it too..... Scott |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Sean_C on Aug 5th, 2006, 10:41pm on 08/04/06 at 01:46:25, mr.c wrote:
For those of you who don't know the Son of Man, its our Lord Jesus Christ ;) And no, I am not offended Michael ;) Sean..................................... |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Aug 8th, 2006, 7:19pm I think prayer works about as well as aspirin. I did a study: For a month, every time i got hit, I took 2 aspirin. Average time for the cluster to go away was about 44 minutes. The next month, every time I got hit, I said 3 hail Mary's. Average time for the cluster to go away was about 45 minutes. Statistically speaking, its the same result. :-/ BMonee |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Aug 8th, 2006, 7:21pm on 08/01/06 at 12:57:20, kevinpix wrote:
And when you say "calling to god", do you mean "calling your Mommy?" LOL BMonee |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by alchemy on Aug 8th, 2006, 8:40pm If you had your surgery and are painfree why are you laying on the floor screaming? |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Sean_C on Aug 8th, 2006, 11:27pm on 08/08/06 at 19:19:32, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Try this, and get back to me ;) Modeh ani lifanekhah, Melekh khai vikayam, shehehezartah bee neshmahtee, b'hemlah, rabah ehmunatekha. Sean..................................... |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by chopmyheadoff on Aug 9th, 2006, 3:59am on 08/08/06 at 20:40:18, alchemy wrote:
i was thinking that too . . . [smiley=confused2.gif] |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Thomas_Martin on Aug 9th, 2006, 1:53pm on 08/02/06 at 16:01:56, thomas wrote:
I usually say "thank you, brick wall" |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Sandy_C on Aug 9th, 2006, 4:51pm on 08/08/06 at 20:40:18, alchemy wrote:
Very good question. Let's wait and see what the answer is. Sandy |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by kevinpix on Aug 9th, 2006, 6:49pm Please excuse my grammar. I thought enough of you have read my posts to know that I'm numb on my cluster side. I should have worded it as AFTER SURGERY, I would lay in the floor...... It's good to see ya'll picking on my grammar, keeps me on my toes. I like to see your responses and opinions. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by BB on Aug 9th, 2006, 8:23pm I have always thought that God answers only to those who pray for others , not for themselves. Unless they pray for the strength to endure the challenge and the wisdom to go seek the answers. [smiley=huh.gif] Annette |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Aug 9th, 2006, 8:35pm on 08/09/06 at 18:49:00, kevinpix wrote:
Wait, now I am really confused. You are saying AFTER you had the surgery, you had terrible pain? Is the pain worse than it was before you had the surgery? B$ |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by kcopelin on Aug 9th, 2006, 9:20pm Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. So kevin you not only tried to start shit in my house, but you're not even very good at it.. I'm sorry but you are caught lying like a dirty rug. Your surgery was successful, your face is numb, but you still writhe on the floor? WTH are you talking about. PFDAN y'all kathy |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by MJ on Aug 9th, 2006, 9:54pm "And what about prayer, does it work?" I'm not a religous person but was brought up in a highly religous household. One passage I never forget is this one from somewhere in the bible. "God helps those who help themselves" If you believe hard enough then prayer helps, If you curse hard enough that helps too. We all find our own way. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by zwibbs/Scott on Aug 10th, 2006, 1:29am on 08/02/06 at 16:01:56, thomas wrote:
So Do I. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Linda_Howell on Aug 10th, 2006, 2:19am Quote:
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by floridian on Aug 10th, 2006, 8:32am on 08/09/06 at 21:54:51, MJ wrote:
Not in the Bible. Makes sense to me, but not written in those scriptures. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by kevinpix on Aug 10th, 2006, 11:10am I'll go real slow. I had pain. For 4.5 years. I had surgery 2 years ago. I would lay on the floors screamin' during the 4.5 yrs. I wonder if this surgery was his answer to my prayers, or just a fluke of nature. It doesn't matter when I was in pain, only if you think prayer helps. Just answer the question please, that's all. And, excuse my grammar, I only have a few college credits so far. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by MJ on Aug 10th, 2006, 11:30am on 08/10/06 at 08:32:08, floridian wrote:
Your right Floridian. I should have checked first, I did now. As with many religous assumptions its hard to separate fact from fiction sometimes, but I still like the saying all the same. |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by mr.c on Aug 11th, 2006, 11:53am on 08/10/06 at 11:30:55, MJ wrote:
The above quote was said in reply to another quote (something like) "God helps those who help themselves." Technically, it's a paraphrase. "Faith without works is dead..." in James is where you will find it. Somebody else said that God only hears prayers said on others behalf. There is a parable of the "unjust judge". It's an allegory that basically says that God does answer prayers said on our own behalf... just sometimes we have to "weary" him with our cries. Why "weary" Him... Maybe a test of faith... Maybe to see how serious we are... Maybe some other reason we cannot grasp. :-/ Prayers can be answered through friends, doctors, and other means. I've never heard an angel sing or had lightning strike when I've had my prayers answered. But they are answered. Sometimes the answer is, "Yes." :) Sometimes the answer is, "No." :( Sometimes the answer is, "Figure it out on your own because it has no effect on the grand scheme of things." ;) |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by thebbz on Aug 11th, 2006, 2:49pm Well it certianly couldn't hurt now could it? I do it without even thinking. Works for me. jb ;) Besides if you have to send in the big guns...use all you have. I am presently PF..thank you Jesus, thank you Lord |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by JeffB on Aug 11th, 2006, 4:14pm on 08/08/06 at 19:19:32, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Thats a very scientific study.... ;;D |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by kevinpix on Aug 13th, 2006, 2:45pm I had an enlightening experience today, thanks ya'll know who you are, ya'll rock!!! |
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Title: Re: And what about prayer, does it work? Post by Katherinecm on Aug 14th, 2006, 10:22pm "God helps those who help themselves," was first said by Benjamin Franklin. An honored patriot, yes. Awe-inspiring in his ability to get things done? Yes. Religious or spiritual leader? Not at all. Read his autobiography. He was arguably a scoundrel in his family life. |
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