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(Message started by: maffumatt on Jan 12^th, 2006, 1:33pm)

Title: another round
Post by maffumatt on Jan 12^th, 2006, 1:33pm

I was expecting another cycle to begin in Feb, but it jumped the gun and started a little early this year. I am going the alternitive route this time, I believe that is what ended my cycle last year. I am positive that the Trex and Verap combination prolonged my cycle. Its just funny that the first year useing meds it lasted almost 10 months when normaly they lasted 2. Anyway my question is,my GP wants to give me a shot of Predestone, will that affect the BWR effectiveness? I dosed 5 days ago, and plan to again this weekend, but have a Dr. appointment Mon. Should I skip the shot? Wait to dose again until after? any ideas?

Title: Re: another round
Post by BarbaraD on Jan 12^th, 2006, 1:40pm

Doesn't the meds affect the other? I was told to get off all meds before dosing. I haven't dosed, but that's what I was told. Someone jump in here and give some advice.

Hugs BD

Title: Re: another round
Post by warrior on Jan 12^th, 2006, 2:24pm

Last year I was on so much med. and they lasted 6 months and seemed like all the meds made them last longer. I just started my cycle a couple of weeks ago and am taking no meds. at this time except lyrica. Just started it 3 days ago. Want to know why drs. don't understand about the CH. So reluctant to give me a shot to help the pain. Have had these for 10 years and have never wanted any shots when I don't have CH's. Jan

Title: Re: another round
Post by maffumatt on Jan 12^th, 2006, 2:43pm

I know that Trex contridicts the lsa, just wondering if the steroid will too.

Title: Re: another round
Post by BikerBob on Jan 12^th, 2006, 2:44pm

See section 4.1 of the Mushroom FAQ on www.clusterbusters.com

"So, the answer is, yes, injected steroids can interfere."

BB

Title: Re: another round
Post by MJ on Jan 12^th, 2006, 2:45pm

Matt this is just an opinion and I have no idea how the pred will interact with LSA. When you say BWR I assume you mean HBWR (hawiaan baby woodrose seeds)

Skip the Pred if the HBWR seeds seem to be working then let the seeds do their thing. Clusterbusters reccomends total detox.

MJ
edit to add
Sorry Bob posted at the same time now you have it from an authority on the subject. Knows his stuff.

Title: Re: another round
Post by JJA on Jan 12^th, 2006, 2:50pm

Clusterbusters say that prednisone can interfere with the alternative treatment.

Quote:

1.2 Detoxing
Although we are still learning which medications have an effect on this treatment, it is generally believed that triptans (imitrex etc.), steroids (prednisone) ,opiods (fentanyl, 'caines etc.), ergotamines (sansert etc) will block any therapeutic value of LSA and/or psilocybin.

http://www.clusterbusters.com/faqlsa.htm

Proceed cautiously. Good Luck.

Jesse

Title: Re: another round
Post by BikerBob on Jan 13^th, 2006, 12:07am

on 01/12/06 at 13:40:49, BarbaraD wrote:

I was told to get off all meds before dosing. I haven't dosed, but that's what I was told. Someone jump in here and give some advice.

Hugs BD

I disagree with the notion that everyone considering alternative therapy for CH should get off all meds before dosing. There are thousands of meds for thousands of medical conditions.

The risk of getting off all meds must be evaluated with your doctor.

Here's a simple example:
Someone with CH is considering alternative therapy. He also has cardiovascular disease. A carotid ultrasound shows that one of his carotid arteries is mostly blocked, with some stenosis. Since he is asymtomatic of stroke, has had no TIAs and the partial blockage is only on one side; the cardiologist says that a carotid endarterectomy to clear the artery is unwarranted and prescribes Plavix.

Plavix (clopidogrel} prevents platelets (substances in the blood) from clustering. This helps to prevent blood from forming blood clots. Plavix is used in the prevention and treatment of heart attack, stroke, blood clots, and acute coronary syndrome.

Getting off the Plavix will greatly increase the risk of stroke.

Continuing to take Plavix while using LSD/LSA/Psilocybin should not have any significant drug interaction and should not interfere with or increase the effects of psychedelics.

In this case, the person should continue to take the med and proceed with alternative therapy for the CH.

a) Talk to your doctor about the risks of discontinuing your meds.

b) Read the drug interactions sections of CB.com and ask the clusterbusters if you have any questions.

Hugs BB

Title: Re: another round
Post by nani on Jan 13^th, 2006, 12:23am

You've already gotten good advice...
so I'll just add hugs, prayers and good juju.
:-* If you need anything, just let me know. hugs, nani

Title: Re: another round
Post by sandie99 on Jan 13^th, 2006, 2:50am

Matt, I hope that this round is a short one.

Wishing you PF time asap,
Sanna

Title: Re: another round
Post by maffumatt on Jan 13^th, 2006, 8:09am

Thankyou guys for the input, I think I'll forego the Pred, I wasn't to keen on what it did to me last year anyway.

Title: Re: another round
Post by pattik on Jan 13^th, 2006, 9:32pm

Ditto to what Nani said, Matt. Whatever you decide, I hope this cycle is the shortest and easiest one ever. Hugs.
patti

Title: Re: another round
Post by maffumatt on Jan 14^th, 2006, 12:38pm

is there any abortives other than o2 that can be used with the hbwr seeds? After doseing the attacks are comeing in waves. They did the same on the schrooms, but not as bad, I am hopeing that this is a sign that its working and its pissed, but wellto put it mildly, it hurts. Its like I have skipped the buildup and went straight to the peak period.

Title: Re: another round
Post by MJ on Jan 14^th, 2006, 1:27pm

Popular opinion says it gets worse before it gets better.

The advice to me was give it 5 days and if you feel it is definately not improving a bit dose again.

I dosed again next day with the RC seeds. But thats just me.

Try the repetitive excercise thing, ie; fast walk, pushups, knee bends, pushups against the counter, light weight work untill it hurts, whatever. Anything to get the blood and oxygen flowing faster also gets the endorphins or other things going.

Hang in there.

Title: Re: another round
Post by BikerBob on Jan 14^th, 2006, 2:47pm

on 01/14/06 at 12:38:45, maffumatt wrote:

is there any abortives other than o2 that can be used with the hbwr seeds?

See sections 4.1.5 through 4.1.10 in the Mushroom FAQ on CB.com

BB