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(Message started by: brewcrew on Dec 10^th, 2007, 12:24pm)

Title: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by brewcrew on Dec 10^th, 2007, 12:24pm

Check this out. Jimmy Page in 1957:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0tAOIQiz-8&feature=related

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Jimi on Dec 10^th, 2007, 1:16pm

That was hilarious. Who coulda known.

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by brewcrew on Dec 10^th, 2007, 1:38pm

He's 14 years old in that clip.

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by alchemy on Dec 10^th, 2007, 2:05pm

what a blast to watch sort of made me want to pat my dog

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by brewcrew on Dec 10^th, 2007, 2:35pm

on 12/10/07 at 14:05:56, alchemy wrote:

what a blast to watch sort of made me want to pat my dog

Is it a Black Dog?

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by alchemy on Dec 10^th, 2007, 4:02pm

on 12/10/07 at 14:35:19, brewcrew wrote:

Is it a Black Dog?

kind of

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Groov on Dec 10^th, 2007, 7:02pm

Jimmy Page is absolutely awesome in more ways than one.

I'll tell ya, it just goes to show you that legends like him are not born...they are made through countless hours of practice and very hard work.

I've been into music since I was 1 year old. But when I started to learn to play, I gained a new respect for those who put their time & heart into mastering any instrument.

They make it look "not so hard" All you ever see is the millions of dollars & free chicks. But so many get that good and don't get lucky enough to make it. Either way, it is countless hours of hard work.

My hats off to Jimmy Page and the rest of the remaining Zep crew !!!!

Cheers, Dave

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Groov on Dec 10^th, 2007, 7:02pm

Black Dog....clever Brew :)

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Jonny on Dec 11^th, 2007, 9:40pm

Plant aint got the voice anymore.....sad!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=90b_1197366767

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f7f_1197366518

Im talking he cant hit and hold the high notes.

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by brewcrew on Dec 11^th, 2007, 9:49pm

That can happen after decades of vocal abuse. I've experienced it to a small extent.

What matters is that they captured it on tape when it happened. And man, Plant could make it happen. I think he was like 18 or 19 when they recorded their first album together.

I think he's more comfortable singing country or English folk songs now.

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by chewy on Dec 11^th, 2007, 9:57pm

Brit fans sure are subdued.

Zep fans in this country would have shaken the roof on the first three cords of Stairway.

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Jonny on Dec 11^th, 2007, 10:01pm

on 12/11/07 at 21:49:04, brewcrew wrote:

I think he was like 18 or 19 when they recorded their first album together.

That would be the album of stolen blues songs?....LOL ;;D

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by chewy on Dec 11^th, 2007, 10:13pm

Quote:

That would be the album of stolen blues songs?....LOL

Yup. Thats true. Blues songs aren't really stolen though. They are passed on through the generations and even through musical genres.

A lot of successful rock bands owe their success to the blues. Jimi Hendrex, the Stones, the Allman Bros.,the Doors, the list goes on and on.

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Kevin_M on Dec 11^th, 2007, 10:19pm

on 12/11/07 at 22:13:49, chewy wrote:

Yeah. Learning from them and going electric with them opened up a whole new set of recordings, especially when they couldn't write much yet.

Jimmy's got a Telecaster on that first album, most all a Les Paul after that, except the double necked SG.

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by MicroBrew on Dec 12^th, 2007, 10:23am

on 12/11/07 at 22:19:29, Kevin_M wrote:

Jimmy's got a Telecaster on that first album, most all a Les Paul after that, except the double necked SG.

Actually, Kevin, I'm gonna have to correct ya there. His first recorded use of a Les Paul on an album is the solo in Heartbreaker, off Led Zeppelin II, other than that, most of II was recorded with a Tele. Also, the solo in Stairway was recorded with that same Tele. Don't mean to be a know-it-all. Cheers!

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by brewcrew on Dec 12^th, 2007, 10:37am

on 12/12/07 at 10:23:52, MicroBrew wrote:

I was going to say something, but gosh darn it, how did I know you would chime in? ;;D

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Kevin_M on Dec 12^th, 2007, 11:32am

on 12/12/07 at 10:23:52, MicroBrew wrote:

Lots of correct stuff there. :) The change on the second album wasn't made clear to me, I go by interviews but it wasn't this one. It perhaps was a general statement about when he changed I read, a difficult distinction without knowing. ;) He shows periodic different instrument use in places in the whole interview.

www.modernguitars.com/archives/003340.html

What kind of guitar were you suing on the first Led Zeppelin album?

JP: A Telecaster. I used the Les Paul with the Yardbirds on about two numbers and a Fender for the rest. You see the Les Paul Custom had a central setting, a kind of out-of-phase pickup sound which Jeff couldn't get on his Les Paul, so I used mine for that.

It sounds exactly like a Les Paul.

JP: Yeah, well that's the amp and everything. You see, I could get a lot of tones out of the guitar, which you normally couldn't. This confusion goes back to those early sessions again with the Les Paul. Those might not sound like a Les Paul, but that's what I used. It's just different amps, mike placings, and all different things. Also, if you just crank it up to the distortion point so you can sustain notes, it's bound to sound like a Les Paul. I was using the Supro amp for the first album and still do.

When you started playing the double-neck did it require a new approach on your part?

JP: Yes. The main thing is, there's an effect you can get where you leave the 12-string neck open as far as the sound goes and play on the 6-string neck, and you get the 12-strings vibrating in sympathy. It's like an Indian sitar, and I've worked on that a little bit. I use it on "Stairway" like that; not on the album but on the soundtrack and film. It's surprising, it doesn't vibrate as heavily as a sitar would, but nonetheless does add to the overall tonal quality.

The "Stairway To Heaven" solo was done when I pulled out the Telecaster, which I hadn't used for a long time, plugged it into the Supro, and away it went again. That's a different sound entirely from any of the rest of the first album. It was a good versatile setup. I'm using a Leslie on the solo on Good Times Bad Times. It was wired up for an organ thing.

http://thepracticeroom.typepad.com/the_practice_room/images/page.jpg

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Buzz on Dec 12^th, 2007, 2:22pm

I have several claims to fame:

1. Sharon Stone (and Richard Chamberlain) used to come to the club where I was DJ when she was shooting a film in Zimbabwe. I asked them to leave one night (I kinda doubled up as the bouncer too) after I received reports about glasses being deliberately dropped...

2. Jimmy Page's mother came to dinner at my house, again, In Zimbabwe, where she used to visit with her partner to play golf (very good golf in Zim) and she told us how Jimmy, Jeff Beck (If I recall correctly), Eric Clapton and various other luminaries used to "make a hell of a racket in the front room". He bought her a nice house, apparently.

But that didn't qualify me to receive free tickets to Monday night's show. Which I think is very unfair.

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Kevin_M on Dec 12^th, 2007, 3:21pm

on 12/12/07 at 10:23:52, MicroBrew wrote:

I found the other interview of Jimmy Page. You may want to check the above information because perhaps the opposite is true according to this second Jimmy Page interview, no mention of a Telecaster. Among the prior post's info, the LedZep II information I previously mentioned is from this second interview:

http://trublukris.tripod.com/inter/jpwords.html

LED ZEPPELIN II U.S. release: October 22, 1969 Recorded at: Olympic Studios (London), A&R Studios (New York), Juggy Sound Studios (N.Y.), Mayfair Studios (N.Y.), Mystic Studios (L.A.), Mirror Sound (L.A.), and Ra hut in Vancouver, BritishColumbia

Guitars: 1959 Les Paul, Vox 12-string Amps: 100-watt Marshall, Vox Solid State

GW: What led you to use Marshall amps?
Page: At that time, it was state of the art reliability. They were really good for going out on the road. I was always having trouble with amps -- fuses blowing or whatever. By that time I was using a Les Paul anyway and that was just a classic setup.

GW: What was the impetus for the unaccompanied solo in the middle of "Heartbreaker" ?
Page: I just fancied doing it. I was always trying to do something different,or something that no one else had thought of. But the interesting thing about that solo is that it was recorded after we had already finished "Heartbreaker" -- it was an afterthought. that whole section was recorded in a different studio and was sort of slotted in the middle. If you notice, the whole sound of the guitar is different.

:)

Title: Re: In preparation for the Zep tour
Post by Jonny on Dec 12^th, 2007, 4:44pm

on 12/11/07 at 22:13:49, chewy wrote:

Blues songs aren't really stolen though. They are passed on through the generations and even through musical genres.

Now by popular demand! A list of some of the songs Zep stole from other artists:

"Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."

"Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.

"Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson).

"Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."
"Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's

"Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."

"Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes).

"Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."

"How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."

"In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).

"The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's

"Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70s and settled out of court.

"Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.

"Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.

"Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.

"Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit.

"White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's

"She Moved Through The Fair."

"Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."

I'm not listing covers that the band credited to the actual authors ("You Shook Me") or the less blatant ripoffs (the "Superstition" riff in "Trampled Underfoot"). If you have anything to add to this list, please tell me. (DBW)