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(Message started by: sandie99 on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:12am)

Title: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by sandie99 on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:12am

Oh yes, Finland resembles America more and more. I've been dreading this day to come and here it is; the first school shooting incident in Finland's history. They talk about 7 deaths... :'(

Here's what CNN has about it:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html

This is a sad day to everyone involved and their closeones. Our thoughts and prayers are with them today. :'(

I wish, hope and pray that this will be the last of its kind... :'(

Sanna

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Melissa on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:18am

I'm very sorry to hear this happened in one of Finlands schools Sanna.

I do have to say though, that when bad things happen to other countries, is it always automatic that those countries are resembling America?

Sorry, just a bit ruffled about the reference. :(

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by vietvet2tours on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:20am

Sad stuff.

Potter

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Brewcrew on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:25am

on 11/07/07 at 10:18:04, Melissa wrote:

Cuz the bad shit always seems to happen here first.

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Melissa on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:28am

on 11/07/07 at 10:25:26, Brewcrew wrote:

Cuz the bad shit always seems to happen here first.

I think that bad shit always seems to be reported ad nauseum here instead of it always happening here first. But that's my opinion...

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by sandie99 on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:33am

Mel, I wrote that because there has been many school shootings in America. And because I have heard often enough how things which happen back in America tend to arrive to Finland, as well. I do not wish pain or suffering to anyone, but I do wish that this would have been one of those things which would have never happened.

10 people are also wounded, one in critical condition. Time will tell now what will happen. :(

Sanna

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Melissa on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:37am

I do love where I live, even with the bad stuff and I'm sorry something that has happened here, has happened in another country. It's just sometimes I feel like we are blamed for everything bad that happens in the rest of the world, ya know?

I'm sure you're not blaming us Sanna for what has happend tho... at least I hope not. :-/

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by cynjeep89 on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:40am

It's sad that this happens anywhere to anyone. :'(

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Guiseppi on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:41am

Makes me sick to my stomach every time I read one of these. So much promise and potential just snuffed out. And every one of those sterile sounding "casualties" has a mommy and a daddy whose kid won't come home. It just hurts. All our prayers to those poor families.

Guiseppi (who has rolled on 2 school shootings....2 too many)

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Brewcrew on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:42am

Comparison vs. blame - two very different things.

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Melissa on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:43am

on 11/07/07 at 10:42:17, Brewcrew wrote:

Comparison vs. blame - two very different things.

Yeah, you're right Brew. I'll drop it.

Sorry everybody.

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by sandie99 on Nov 7^th, 2007, 10:50am

Mel, personally I don't believe in blaming; that doesn't turn the clock nor erase this event. The shooter had his reasons which the rest of us will probably never quite comprehend, no matter how much we'd try.

It's heart-breaking to look at the pictures... :'(

Sanna

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by sandie99 on Nov 7^th, 2007, 12:10pm

The latest info:

8 died, 12 are wounded, the shooter himself is in critical condition.

The shooter had just turned 18 and was senior in the same school.

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by barry_sword on Nov 7^th, 2007, 12:34pm

OMG, I am so sorry to hear this Sanna. I am just watching it on CNN. Very, very sad. :'(

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by sandie99 on Nov 7^th, 2007, 12:41pm

Here's a link to BBC's story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7082795.stm

MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21669167/

It's sad news indeed... :'(

Apparently the shooter had left a sort of warning of what was ahead with his youtube videos. One of our daily papers posted the shooter's legacy, a letter, in which he asks people to consider his behaviour solely as "one man's war" and not to blame his parents, brother or friends. He was very interested in guns, online shooting games, non-confirmist movements, communism and nazis. He was described as "good student who didn't have much friends".

Sanna

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by The mad viking on Nov 7^th, 2007, 1:16pm

I am so sorry to hear this Sanna

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by midwestbeth on Nov 7^th, 2007, 1:20pm

I've been reading about this online. Very sad. Terrible when it happens anywhere, anytime.

Beth

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Rosybabe on Nov 7^th, 2007, 1:26pm

I am so sorry Sanna, this is sick, very sick, you see his videos and they do not make sense...he was not right in his mind.....

God have the victims in his glory..

Rosy.

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by LeLimey on Nov 7^th, 2007, 3:58pm

How tragic, its a sad day

Helen

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Charlie on Nov 7^th, 2007, 4:52pm

Sorry Sanna.

I saw the BBC America broadcast too.

It ain't supposed to happen......anywhere.

Charlie

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by assaultme on Nov 7^th, 2007, 7:32pm

Sorry Sanna

I don't know why it happens here.

When I was a kid we wrestled in the schoolyard, someone got a bloody nose and most of the time, the 2 were friends the next day.

I didn't grab my Dad's .38 and bring it to school.

Back then, there were certain absolutes and rules...lines you just didn't cross.

I do know one thing, kids these days are not being taught discipline and respect for others rights.

SAD !!!

Dave

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by fubar on Nov 7^th, 2007, 8:00pm

The kid that did this posted videos to YouTube describing the plan to massacre students on 11/7/7. This was COMPLETLEY avoidable if anybody had listened to him. He was planning it for a long time and nobody cared. He even told people what date he would do it.

WTF?

Quote:

YouTube appeared to have removed 89 videos linked to his account, many of them featuring Nazi imagery, shortly after the incident. Finnish media reported someone posted a message two weeks ago on the Web site, warning of a bloodbath at the school. A video posted earlier Wednesday, by 'Sturmgeist89,' was titled 'Jokela High School Massacre - 11/7/2007.' 'Sturmgeist89' identified himself as Auvinen, and said he chose the name 'Sturmgeist' because it means 'storm spirit' in German.

Talk about screaming for attention! I guess he really showed them.

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 7^th, 2007, 8:17pm

on 11/07/07 at 12:41:31, sandie99 wrote:

He was very interested in...

non-confirmist movements,

He was described as "good student who didn't have much friends".

This non-conformist type loner, not many friends, has been mentioned in other types who have followed through with similar tragedies.

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by sandie99 on Nov 8^th, 2007, 12:12pm

The shooter, Pekka-Eric Auvinen passed away last night to the injuries he got as he shot himself into head.

He ideolized the school shootings in America and had had contact with the American kid who got jail time for planning a similar crime.

The whole idea was to make a statement against the whole society, not just do a massacre. His plan was to kill as many people as possible.

Naturally, today's questions in the papers are "why?" and "how something like this can be prevented?". The answers vary.

Today's mood is sad and the flags around the country have been on half mast to mark nationwide mourning.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/08/school.shooting/index.html

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Ghost on Nov 8^th, 2007, 12:37pm

:'(

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by Jonny on Nov 8^th, 2007, 4:16pm

"this video was posted 6 months ago on youtube by one of the killers alter ego's; nickname 'ikillyouall667'.

it's only text. it's obvious he has been planning this kind of event for quite some time."

There is more description above the video screen.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3e0_1194473857

Title: Re: Finland: shooting incident in school!
Post by George_J on Nov 8^th, 2007, 4:24pm

I'm very sorry to hear this, Sanna.

:'(

Best wishes to you, and to all the Finnish people,

George