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(Message started by: BlueMeanie on Nov 1st, 2007, 6:12pm)
Title: My how times have changed
Post by BlueMeanie on Nov 1st, 2007, 6:12pm
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7cf20b3127ccebff536c93fbc00000025108AZNXLNo3Yt-
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.


"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Charlie on Nov 1st, 2007, 6:22pm
One of my heroes.  

Charlie
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by assaultme on Nov 1st, 2007, 6:31pm
He was a great man Charlie...I agree.

You notice he says:

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin."

Still the same today, except now the word "assimilate" is used against this ideal as somehow "racist"
I submit that it is those who scream racism who are the racists.

He goes on to say: "There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

THATS what it means to be an American....UNITED !!!!

  Too bad ideals like this are under attack.

TR was a great and wise man.

Cheers, Dave
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Callico on Nov 1st, 2007, 6:40pm
I'll bet that quote is not found in any history textbooks in our schools or universities.

Jerry
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by JenniferD on Nov 1st, 2007, 6:59pm
I had 2 friends. It was we three. Me, Polish/Ukrainian; Clara, Columbian; and Siham, Iraqi.

I had 2 other friends. It was we three. Me, Polish/Ukrainian, and Lisa and Bernita, African/American.

We all celebrated our differences, we talked openly about them, we shared our cultures with each other. We laughed at how stupidly "we" as different races, saw each other. And that brought us closer. Hate never was an issue.

We were all Americans.

Just my  [smiley=twocents.gif]
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by BlueMeanie on Nov 1st, 2007, 7:22pm

on 11/01/07 at 18:59:33, JenniferD wrote:
I had 2 friends. It was we three. Me, Polish/Ukrainian; Clara, Columbian; and Siham, Iraqi.

I had 2 other friends. It was we three. Me, Polish/Ukrainian, and Lisa and Bernita, African/American.

We all celebrated our differences, we talked openly about them, we shared our cultures with each other. We laughed at how stupidly "we" as different races, saw each other. And that brought us closer. Hate never was an issue.

We were all Americans. Just my  [smiley=twocents.gif]


That's great Jen. Just wondering where you all AMERICAN citizens, do you all proudly display and salute the AMERICAN flag, do you all pay AMERICAN taxes, do you all speak the AMERICAN language, where you all willing to defend the AMERICAN way against foreign AND domestic enemies ? If so, then you're right, you where ALL AMERICANS.
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Maffumatt on Nov 1st, 2007, 7:24pm
yep times have change...........
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by sldrswyfe on Nov 1st, 2007, 7:25pm
Really...what happened to this way of CORRECT thinking?????

The way the thinking and  behavior is today...is , to me, as if you have a houseguest, and when they walk through YOUR door....they TAKE OVER...run your house, look into your checkbook, know alll of your passwords...

Why do WE have to learn other languages to accomadate others??  And some REFUSE to speak English...completely ON PURPOSE....How I wish this was the creed of the times....Like the classic saying "If you can't speak THE language...GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY"
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 1st, 2007, 7:53pm
Teddy was pretty tall in the saddle.


He spoke at Carnegie Hall on Nov. 2, 1918.

"I don't ask for any man that he shall, because of his race, be given any privilege.  All I ask is that in his ordinary civil and political rights, in his right to work, to enjoy life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness, that as regards these rights he be given the treatment that we would give him if he was an equally good man of another color."


He passed away two months later.


He was even bullet-proof.

Oct. 14, 1912

Roosevelt entered a waiting limousine.  (John Flammang) Schrank drew a .38-caliber revolver from his coat, aiming at Roosevelts's head.  Schrank squeezed the trigger.  Roosevelt's secretary, Albert H. Marti, noticed the flash of metal and grabbed Schrank about the neck, deflecting the shot into TR's chest.  The bullet tore through the fifty-page speech Roosevelt had nestled inside his jacket pocket, and through the metal spectacle case TR also kept jammed there.  The slug ripped three inches into TR--just short of vital organs.
 Roosevelt, being TR, didn't even realize he was hit until a bodyguard notice the bullet hole in his jacket.  The Rough Rider reached inside and felt warm, fresh blood.
 At the Colliseum, he told the crowd: "I'm going to ask you to be very quiet.  And please excuse me from making you a very long speech.  I'll do the best I can, but you see, there's a bullet in my body.  But it's nothing.  I'm not hurt badly."  He unbuttoned his coat and vest, displaying to the crowd his blood-soaked white shirt.  For over an hour he spoke.  Only then did he consent to enter a hospital.


from "1920, The Year of Six Presidents"
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Jonny on Nov 1st, 2007, 8:16pm
I hope this dont stop just in this one state, it should be every fuckin state!!!!

"we have as much right -- in fact, I would argue, a responsibility -- to protect our taxpayers against that sort of egregious waste, fraud and abuse as the federal government should have a responsibility to protect that international border, but doesn't do that."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/oklahoma_no_longer_ok_for_ille.php
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 1st, 2007, 8:37pm

Quote:
And that's exactly what House Bill 1804 does."



Why does it seem so strange these days to see a very straightforward bill that could actually be effective.




Quote:
Terrill says as long as the federal government refuses to do its job of protecting the international borders of the United States, states like Oklahoma must take action...


Initiative to get somewhere, not waiting for a late train.

The SOONERS!
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by B14CK5H33P on Nov 1st, 2007, 9:32pm
This is the dumbest fucking laws I have ever heard.
According to www.dumblaws.com these things are illegal in Illinois:


You may be arrested for vagrancy if you do not have at least one dollar bill on your person.
You must contact the police before entering the city in an automobile.

and my fave of the drek:

The English language is not to be spoken in Illinois!
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by assaultme on Nov 1st, 2007, 9:40pm
Thats cause we have not a very nice persons like richard daley (crooked son of the original Chitcago crooked mayor) and rod (what the hell is the Constitution) blagoveitch as governer.

Illinois does suck, but my job is here.
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by assaultme on Nov 1st, 2007, 9:42pm
Lets not forget the worst violator of The Constitution....thats right.... Barak osama obama

I have read some of the laws he has tried to pass here.

No matter what political stripe you are, they would frighten you.

 I try not to hate anyone, but if I did...he would be on the top of the list.

Dave
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Charlie on Nov 1st, 2007, 9:45pm
You have to use a little context but still, I like my Grandfather's system of assimilation. He came here from Sweden when he was 11, learned the language, lost his accent and wouldn't allow the family members to speak Swedish other than amongst themselves. They had to learn English. They did.

Charlie
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by ski2k on Nov 2nd, 2007, 2:27am
  Back when TR was around, it wasn't "wrong" to speak your mind. You didn't have to be "PC" all the time. Just say what you mean, and stand by it. Now everyone's afraid to say anything that might upset ANYbody else, so nothing gets done.
  Damn I wish things could go back to the way they were!!

  Nice link Jonny! Nice to see at least one state getting sick of all the BS and actually DOING something about it!

Adam
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by sldrswyfe on Nov 2nd, 2007, 5:17am
Yup Ski....

We have to walk on eggshells now.  Don't misunderstand me...I don't mean to be blatently rude, but my God, the consequences of speaking sometimes are ridiculous.

This is a topic I don't allow myself to go to much because I get so angry and upset....UUUUUGGGGGGHHHH.
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by seasonalboomer on Nov 2nd, 2007, 5:46am

on 11/02/07 at 02:27:52, ski2k wrote:
  Back when TR was around, it wasn't "wrong" to speak your mind. You didn't have to be "PC" all the time. Just say what you mean, and stand by it. Now everyone's afraid to say anything that might upset ANYbody else, so nothing gets done.
  Damn I wish things could go back to the way they were!!

  Nice link Jonny! Nice to see at least one state getting sick of all the BS and actually DOING something about it!

Adam


Yes, there is now a culture of low expectations that exists and a virtual tourniquet applied to the assimilation process. The result will not be multicultural paradise but balkanized hodge podge of tribes.

My skeptynical input for today.

Scott
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by BarbaraD on Nov 2nd, 2007, 7:47am
100 years ago Teddy was right -- today he's still right -- looks like some of these politicians would study a little history doesn't it???

Ya know -- my ANCESTORS came from Ireland and BECAME AMERICANS. They were never Irish-Americans - they were AMERICANS. I'm an AMERICAN not an Irish-American - just a plain old AMERICAN who's ANCESTORS happened to come from Ireland (a long time ago).

I've had the "priviledge" of visiting and sometimes living in a lot of foreign countries (my husband worked overseas most of our 45 years together) and I've yet to see them "change" their rules to suit "guest workers" in their countries. Work visas were "issued" BEFORE entering the country with stipulations and time limits (which were followed or else). We followed THEIR customs and RULES. Sometimes we found someone who spoke English (English is a second language in a lot of countries), but otherwise we spoke in sign language or "learned" enough of their language to get by (depending on how long we were going to be there). What I'm getting at is they didn't let us forget we were a "guest" in their country and that we were "expected" to go by their customs and rules. We understood that also and did.

I just don't understand the politicians and bleeding hearts who think we "owe" anything to these "undocumented" workers who cross our borders illegally and then want us to change our customs to suit what they had in thier countries (if they want their customs -- go back where they came from -- not a bad idea anyhow). If they want to work in our country - get a work visa and come here legally - follow OUR rules, or get out! That's what we do in THEIR country!

Teddy was right then -- he's still right.... Maybe his speech should be posted in the Halls of Congress -

Hugs BD
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by kimh on Nov 2nd, 2007, 1:50pm
Good Ole TR.  on those weekend afternoons when me dear ole fadder took pity on me poor mudder he would pile us kids into the car and take us out so my mudder could self medicate in peace.  And it was off to Teddy's place in Oyster Bay me ole paw would take us.  I can't tell yas how many times me and me brudder and me sister trudged through Teddy's place to the grand finale that was the movie room.

..................God Bless Oyster Bay.
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by JenniferD on Nov 2nd, 2007, 8:48pm

on 11/01/07 at 19:22:27, BlueMeanie wrote:
That's great Jen. Just wondering where you all AMERICAN citizens, do you all proudly display and salute the AMERICAN flag, do you all pay AMERICAN taxes, do you all speak the AMERICAN language, where you all willing to defend the AMERICAN way against foreign AND domestic enemies ? If so, then you're right, you where ALL AMERICANS.


yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes  ;;D
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Charlie on Nov 2nd, 2007, 10:48pm
TR was a progressive. That wing of the party doesn't dare show its head today. Sigh.

Charlie
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by KingOfPain on Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:38am

on 11/01/07 at 18:12:00, BlueMeanie wrote:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7cf20b3127ccebff536c93fbc00000025108AZNXLNo3Yt-
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.


"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907


Bully!

From Barb:  "Ya know -- my ANCESTORS came from Ireland and BECAME AMERICANS. They were never Irish-Americans - they were AMERICANS. I'm an AMERICAN not an Irish-American - just a plain old AMERICAN who's ANCESTORS happened to come from Ireland (a long time ago)."

I agree, if they want to be Americans then they need to be Americans...not some hyphenated version of one.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphenated_American

"The term hyphenated American is an epithet from the late 19th century to refer to Americans who consider themselves of a distinct cultural origin other than the United States, and who claim to hold allegiance to both."
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by KingOfPain on Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:43am
Former President Theodore Roosevelt insisted to an Irish Catholic audience in 1915 that ,

   "There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. ... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic. ... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else."
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by KingOfPain on Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:59am
Thanks for the link!

Oklahoma is no longer "O.K." for illegal aliens, Terrill observes. "When you put everything together in context," he contends, "the bottom line is illegal aliens will not come here if there are no jobs waiting for them, they will not stay here if there is no government subsidy, and they certainly won't stay here if they know that if they ever encounter our state and local law enforcement officers, they will be physically detained until they're deported. And that's exactly what House Bill 1804 does."

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/05/oklahoma_no_longer_ok_for_ille.php

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Who says Oklahomans aren't smart?   :P
*Yes, I was born & raised in Oklahoma & damn proud of it.
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by artonio7 on Nov 3rd, 2007, 12:09pm
I saw an interesting program last evening on pbs which described what the "American" indian went through when they were "assimilated" into the "American" culture. It was interesting.

Inspired some thought.


with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by kimh on Nov 4th, 2007, 4:26pm
"buffalo soldiers".

:)
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by aceserve on Nov 5th, 2007, 12:57pm
What do you MEAN I have to dial "1" for English?
                                 http://www.movie-poster.ws/movies/wallpaper/action/western/johnwayne/john_wayne.jpg
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by artonio7 on Nov 5th, 2007, 1:58pm

on 11/04/07 at 16:26:32, kimh wrote:
"buffalo soldiers".

:)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americanization_(of_Native_Americans)

with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Tiannia on Nov 5th, 2007, 5:24pm
My Great-Grandmother was smuggled out of Germany in a suitcase and relatives put her on a ship to the US by herself.  She chose to become an American.  Though she knew no English he demanded that her kids learn it and had them teach her when they got home.  She never got really good at it.

When I was on High School I learned to speak German, not Spanish. Even  though here in the states if you dont speak Spanish you are screwed out of more jobs then not, especially living in Vegas.  I did it so that I could call her up and talk to her in a language that she was more comfortable with.

She lived long wnough to see the Berlin wall come down.  She told me that she would be proud to be able to go back to Germany as an American and know that her Country was reponsible for helping the land of her fathers.   That is what it really meant to be an American.  Taking pride in coming here and the reason for it.

Tia
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 5th, 2007, 9:24pm

on 11/01/07 at 18:12:00, BlueMeanie wrote:
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.


"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907



I didn't pay attention to this date before but it is highly inaccurate.  
This was his last statement dictated on the evening of his death, Sunday, Jan. 5, 1919 to be given to the American Defense Society.  Readied perhaps in the days before and containing thoughts from previous speeches, this is the last half only.  The missing portion makes reference to WWI.




same reference as first post.
Title: Re: My how times have changed
Post by sldrswyfe on Nov 6th, 2007, 8:15am
Ace...that infuriates me.

However...if it ever becomes dial #2....I don't even want to think about that...

Some swear it IS going to happen...and have told me they are "taking over" the united states.   Not the wisest statement to make to me...


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