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Title: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by deltadarlin on Nov 1st, 2007, 9:20am http://s3.amazonaws.com/thefirecache/8555.html?PHPSESSID=6955db5555a8588695068fd99c8ae31f My response to this? BFS! |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by thomas on Nov 1st, 2007, 9:23am That methodology worked great in Germany back in the 30's and 40's. ::) |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by M.R. on Nov 1st, 2007, 12:19pm Makes more glad by the day that I chose not to breed. I would have spent most my time fighting the world at large. And killing really stupid people. Mike |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Rosybabe on Nov 1st, 2007, 1:23pm :o how far they want to go with this? ::) |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Callico on Nov 1st, 2007, 5:37pm Welcome to Amerika. Obviously these idiots have never read Thomas Jefferson, let alone Tom Paine. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Charlie on Nov 1st, 2007, 6:37pm Fits right in with the temperment of the last 6 years and Pat Robertson's idea of Amerika. Horrible. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by assaultme on Nov 1st, 2007, 6:44pm Academia is full of these types. Of course not all educators are like this, but this type of thinking has become too prevelant at Universities IMHO |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Paul98 on Nov 1st, 2007, 6:57pm on 11/01/07 at 18:37:54, Charlie wrote:
Charlie, I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. Universities have become thought control centers for the liberal left. It is the liberals who are trying to control speach and now thought/behavior on the US campuses. I have seen this and lived through it for the last 20 years. If your "attitude" is anything right of center you had best keep your mouth shut if you work at a university and want to keep your job. Plain and simple. Want Louis Farrakan to give a hate speach on campus, no problem. Want Rush Limpballs, you have a problem. -P. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Maffumatt on Nov 1st, 2007, 7:37pm on 11/01/07 at 18:57:08, Paul98 wrote:
SHHH they might hear ya..........you don't want to be reeducated do ya? |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Maffumatt on Nov 1st, 2007, 8:46pm I thought this was fitting here. http://davidguy.brinkster.net/goaste/stuff/calvin/calvinretouchdistressed.jpg |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Paul98 on Nov 1st, 2007, 9:43pm on 11/01/07 at 19:37:03, Maffumatt wrote:
LOL. They have been trying for 26 years! Universities are the GREATEST institution of hypocracy known to man. They are all for left thinking but they practice sexual harrasment, bigotry, racial descrimination, close-mindedness, intolerance...and the list goes on and on. Oh, yea, they make the US government and state government look like a well oiled high efficiency machine! [smiley=laugh.gif] -P. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Charlie on Nov 1st, 2007, 9:51pm on 11/01/07 at 18:57:08, Paul98 wrote:
Good. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by assaultme on Nov 1st, 2007, 10:00pm on 11/01/07 at 18:57:08, Paul98 wrote:
You are absolutely right Paul. I know several people who did not share the political views of professors and subsequently got bad grades. Just as soon as they "learned" to agree and regurgitate the BS the professor spewed...they magically had great improvements in their grades. I would not lie to y'all. This happens on Uni. campuses and classrooms all the time. One of my friends had a tee shirt on that had a small NRA badge. He kept his beliefs to himself and bothered noone. The "professor", for absolutely no reason, started pointing him out to the class and likening him to a child murderer. He had to sit there and take it or he would have flunked. It, to me, is obscene how these "enlightened, tolerant, progressive" people are really quite intolerant, backwards thinking and ignorant (by choice...not on a sincere level) Oh...we're so much in defense of freedom of speech...that is as long as you agree with us !!! See the John Stossels report where a Uni. boy was accused by a girl of date rape? Yes, those enlightened students said: "if he is accused, he shouldn't have his day in court in front of the Uni. review board!!!"...he should just be considered guilty and thrown out of school!!! Anyone who said the boy deserved due process was SHOUTED down by the students John was interviewing...even John himself. Hypocrisy is everywhere, Universities are certainly NO exception. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Maffumatt on Nov 1st, 2007, 10:05pm on 11/01/07 at 21:51:52, Charlie wrote:
LMAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Charlie on Nov 1st, 2007, 10:08pm on 11/01/07 at 21:43:33, Paul98 wrote:
Yeah but your so-called bigotry of the left doesn't put the "victims" in prison or set them aside. The "victims" on the right are almost always in positions to slither away from trouble. Big difference. Compassionate Conservatives is hypocrisy on speed. When the right shouts....it never does anything but, thanks to the radio screechers, it rails against things it does not understand...such as things and people they see as "elite"....only the the far right thinks critical thinking is bad. Makes sense: They like black and white answers to everything but fortunately, life is more interesting here than on George Bush's planet. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Maffumatt on Nov 1st, 2007, 10:19pm on 11/01/07 at 22:08:12, Charlie wrote:
Theres always that pesky little but in liberal responses.......... |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by assaultme on Nov 1st, 2007, 10:23pm Pointing out the hypocrisy of one group does not at all lessen the hypocrisy of the other group. Saying that the right pissing on your 1st & 4th amendment rights is somehow worse than the left pissing on your 1st & 2nd is flawed reasoning. I am not willing to accept either. Students should be able to learn at Universities without having to adopt their professors politics....left or right!!! What does engineering have to do with who you vote for anyway? Does it make someone a better Surgeon to have left politics? |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by assaultme on Nov 1st, 2007, 10:37pm on 11/01/07 at 22:08:12, Charlie wrote:
I don't remember the left being a big victims right advocate...check out some of the turds the ACLU defends, NAMBLA pedophiles, every poor misunderstood criminal who had a bad childhood, etc. Though I would hardly turn to rush limbaugh for help if I was a victim, I wouldn't expect much from the other side either....answer? they both suck. Quote:
No difference.....I give you ted (huccup) kennedy. Got away with reckless homicide? Why? same reason the ones on the right do....they are wealthy and well connected. So, we have 2 steaming heaps of pony loaf, which is better or abuses power more...got a coin, we'll flip it. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Ray on Nov 1st, 2007, 11:15pm My gosh, my alma mater! Ray |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Brewcrew on Nov 1st, 2007, 11:16pm The demagoguery gets waist deep around here sometimes. For anyone who believes there is any real difference between the two major parties, I have a bridge for sale... |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Kevin_M on Nov 1st, 2007, 11:29pm on 11/01/07 at 23:16:14, Brewcrew wrote:
LMAO I read this from Dave earlier and was laughing, it reminded me of the U of Brew school of thought. on 11/01/07 at 22:37:59, assaultme wrote:
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by assaultme on Nov 1st, 2007, 11:54pm on 11/01/07 at 23:29:38, Kevin_M wrote:
Brews right of Genghis Kahn, I'm mostly just antagonistic [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Charlie on Nov 2nd, 2007, 12:34am Standard far right simplistic fear tactic: Bring up the ACLU and shit like NAMBLA. Deflect the questions to sex by the "wide stance" party. It's like Bush's moronic but sadly effective among right wingers nonsense telling us that Iran is capable of starting WWIII. Keep us scared, it's worked for the Criminal In Chief sicne 9-11. It's a sad state of affairs. While the ACLU and I don't always get along, the religious right Constitution shredders would have free rein and historically, this would be a sad place to live without them. They are needed more than ever by us to stop the horrors perpetrated by this administration. I've never seen anything like it. The country doesn't look the same. It's not the left trying wiretap without warrant, condoning torture, censoring NASA and CPSC reports and making importing drugs by sick old people next to impossible. Don't like health care for sick kids? Vote Bush. The GOP is going to pay for that big time, fortunately. Health care is the new third rail. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by assaultme on Nov 2nd, 2007, 2:18am Right tactic Charlie??? I am not right or left...just a Constitutionalist... you likely know that. I am simply pointing out the numerous flaws with your myopic views of the politicos who screw us on a daily basis. Myopic cause the fear tactics you describe are used by your left just as much as by the right. You are clearly blinded by such hatred that you fail to see the negative on both sides. Deflection is never a tactic I use. In fact, I don't have any real tactics. Deflection would be better described as me pointing out the ACLU's obvious negatives only to hear that you "dont agree always....BUT!!!!! what about those right wing religious types!!!!" It's ok to admit the ACLU is screwed up....while also registering complaints on the right as well. That is considered being objective without deflection even coming into the picture. I didn't set out purposely to outline anything to do with sex, it is just an obvious flaw with your assertion that the left somehow protects everyone while the evil right never has victims rights in mind. A point I think I made well. I could also point out the lefts often anti-police attitudes, which tie the hands of Police...thus aiding the criminal and leaving the victim out in the cold or at least creating unnecessary victims. I simply like to point out some of the things that are perhaps obvious, but often denied by those who are not being objective. I outlined violations on both sides, but I suspect you don't want to be objective and see fault anywhere but with Geo. Bush....who btw wasn't even part of the original outline....but I suppose it is possible he planted bombs in the WTC ::) That is myopic in my humble estimation. I don't like Bush. I think he has done a miserable job. I think he never admits when he makes a mistake. Admitting to making mistakes will get one respect and trust much better than twisting words. Like the WMD thing got spun into some kind of operation to free Iraqis. Objective people see these things and aren't fooled by Sean Hannity. Warrant less wiretaps are also a bad thing. We have courts and warrants for good reason. Having said that...do I now qualify for liberal ? [smiley=laugh.gif].....I don't know, but hope I see things for what they are and am not blinded by such hate for one that I ignore what the other is doing. Giving one a pass by pointing out the faults of the other serves no one well. Both need to clean up the poo in their backyards. Quite frankly, Brew summed it up in a short sentence I think. Cheers, Dave |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Brewcrew on Nov 2nd, 2007, 7:54am on 11/01/07 at 23:29:38, Kevin_M wrote:
I like that, Kev. Can I use it? "Professor Emeritus at the U of Brew." You never fail to bring a smile. ;;D |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by deltadarlin on Nov 2nd, 2007, 8:02am But Charlie (and this goes back to my original post, not the rhetoric that has evolved since), according to the university's definition, *you* would be considered a racist, as would the majority of posters on this board! |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by BarbaraD on Nov 2nd, 2007, 8:41am My 2 cents (and you knew I wouldn't stay out of this one!).... Teachers, professors or anyone else who has anything to do with "young" minds should keep their "opinions" to themselves and let the kids "think" for themselves. Give them "facts" and let them make their own decisions - and that goes for everything - not just politics. The government, schools, bleeding hearts, churches and almost everyone else has gotten into "our" children's lives so much that parents have "no say" on child raising today. There's a damn law or rule about almost every aspect of "how to". Back in "my" day we went to church to learn about "religion". Policitics wasn't discussed from the pulpit. God was. My Dad went to the coffee shop to discuss politics. We read newspapers and listened to the 6 and 10 o'clock news to find out what was going on in the world (we didn't have 24 hour analysis of everything and that was a good thing -- we got to "think" for ourselves). During elections "seasons" we avidily read newpapers and flyers from candidates - went to rallies and "decided" for ourselves who the "best" candidate was and actually "watched" what they did in Congress. Teachers didn't have opinions in schools - they let the class discuss candidates, but acted only as moderators - we never knew how they voted or who they were actually supporting - even after the election. During the Kennedy/Nixon debates we debated more than the candidates did -- the teacher wore buttons for BOTH candidates and smiled when we asked him who he was for. After the election he took off the Nixon button and when we asked if he voted for Kennedy he just smiled, but we never knew for sure (and still don't). Our class voted and it came out 51/49. (we were too young to go to the polls) Children were taught "sex education" at home (DON'T). And there were a lot fewer pregnancies and a lot less diseases. We weren't politically correct - we were just correct and had some manners (or we got our rears tanned). Is it any wonder that kids don't have any respect for anything anymore (including college profs?)? I dispise George Bush and think he needed to be impeached years ago and the candidates running right now need to get a grip on reality. Congress needs to adjourn and go home and talk to their constiguiency for about a month and find out what they're doing wrong and go back and FIX it. The American People NEED to get involved and see to it that Congress starts doing the job it was elected to do. And parents need to get back to parenting. In other words we all need to get some COMMON SENSE back in our lives!!!!! Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by KingOfPain on Nov 2nd, 2007, 9:19am From the story/article: "Students living in the university’s eight housing complexes are required to attend training sessions, floor meetings, and one-on-one meetings with their Resident Assistants (RAs)." Leave the housing complexes [& the campus too] taking their $ with them. Next, a class-action lawsuit. Problem solved. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Brewcrew on Nov 2nd, 2007, 10:03am And many colleges and universities REQUIRE new students to live on campus their first year. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Paul98 on Nov 2nd, 2007, 10:42am on 11/01/07 at 22:08:12, Charlie wrote:
You are right Charlie; don't put them in prison or set them aside. They shoot them, burn them alive and kidnap them; Ruby Ridge, Waco, Gonzales.... Men, woman and children. This was behavior condoned by, and perpetrated by the left. Not so much as a peep from the left about this behavior. -P. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Brewcrew on Nov 2nd, 2007, 11:00am Barb - I only disagree with two points: on 11/02/07 at 08:41:32, BarbaraD wrote:
At the college level, the students are adults. They want, and even NEED to be exposed to the opinions of others. You can't form opinions if you don't hear the opinions of others. Quote:
Sorry, I'm of the opinion that the less lawmakers do, the better off we all are. Gridlock is not a bad thing. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Charlie on Nov 2nd, 2007, 10:10pm on 11/02/07 at 10:42:05, Paul98 wrote:
This is worse than Rush Limbaugh at this "best." It's akin to the left saying that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Republican. Fear mongering simplistic lunacy works for the right. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by tommyD on Nov 3rd, 2007, 8:49am The idea that the universities are full of commie pinko professors is pretty much a myth. While there are certain ideological trends in certain fields, universities overall are pretty much a reflection of the country overall. And there are not a very nice persons everywhere. Literature, arts and the soft science departments tend to lean to the "left." The business, hard science and technology departments tend to lean to the "right."* The majority of college professors are actually Republicans, by a small margin, according to my buddy who used to be a college professor, and who still is a Libertarian. What bugs me most is an apparent agenda by some to attack education, science and rational thought, and to promote ignorance and superstition. Any dictator will tell you this is a first necessary step toward totalitarianism. (* I have to say this whole "right and left" business bugs me, too. People aren't that simple. Compare the positions of the Green Party and the Libertarian Party - they agree more than they disagree. Simplistic polarization is another tool of dictators.) -tommyD (who can't decide whether to support Ron Paul or Mike Gravel) |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Brewcrew on Nov 3rd, 2007, 8:56am on 11/03/07 at 08:49:33, tommyD wrote:
That's like saying, "Hillary can't win. I don't know anybody who's going to vote for her." It says more about one's circle of friends than it does about a deeper understanding of demographics. University faculties lean a lot further left on the whole than your buddy thinks they do. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Kevin_M on Nov 3rd, 2007, 9:03am on 11/03/07 at 08:49:33, tommyD wrote:
Sounds like a review of the the futuristic "W" biography. ;;D |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by john_d on Nov 3rd, 2007, 9:09am From another article (http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000005816.cfm)... Quote:
I am actually glad to see these self-serving idiots put their illogical, discriminatory thoughts on paper. It's kinda gratifying to read what they REALLY THINK so plainly. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Kevin_M on Nov 3rd, 2007, 9:31am Quote:
"What have you been learning in school, Skippy?" "Well, the term racist can only apply to white people and applies to all white people living in the U.S." "But that sounds discriminatory." Quote:
"It has been explained to us that white people have the power to discriminate, and now my university does, too. Also, during WWII, when the Japanese enslaved the peoples of each country they attacked and ruled, this could not have been racism, they were not white and or from the United States." http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/japan/japanworkbook/modernhist/wwii.html While it seems that economic factors were important in Japanese expansion in East Asia, it would be too much to say that colonialism, trade protection, and the American embargo compelled Japan to take this course. Domestic politics, ideology and racism also played a role. But although the Japanese were initially welcomed in some Asian colonies by the indigenous populations whom they "liberated" from European domination, the arrogance and racial prejudice displayed by the Japanese military governments in these nations created great resentment. This resentment is still evident in some Southeast Asian nations. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by tommyD on Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:21am Quote:
Good point, Brew. Unfortunately I have no cites, but I recall many years ago (before the Web) looking into this. I saw one study that supported my buddy's position (or I should say, he supported the study in a conversation about it) and I also saw a study that showed more professors were Democrats. But that second study only looked at liberal arts colleges, which tend to have fewer hard science and business departments. But again I have no cites, so my argument carries little weight. Do you have any cites? Also, who here checked the Universityy of Delaware's web site to see its side of the story? I wanted to see these residence life materials the Fire bunch quotes, but almost immediately I found this: http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2008/nov/letter110107.html So I looked around briefly and didn't find the materials so I stopped 'cos I'm lazy and it's likely they would no longer be on the web. So then I looked at the FIRE website, and I'm not sure what to think about this organization. While some of their efforts and concerns were quite reasonable and valid, I also picked up a lot of clues that FIRE isn't all that impartial or objective. But I also noticed, to be fair, that FIRE's board of editors included members of the ACLU.... which for me brings some credibility to FIRE, but puts the lie to the propaganda we alwasys hear about the ACLU being nothing but a bunch of pinko commies... -tommyD |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Maffumatt on Nov 3rd, 2007, 11:58am required reading....... http://americanbacklash.com/Paranoias.htm quiz on Thursday |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by deltadarlin on Nov 3rd, 2007, 12:26pm "Upon the recommendation of Vice President for Student Life Michael Gilbert and Director of Residence Life Kathleen Kerr, I have directed that the program be stopped immediately. No further activities under the current framework will be conducted." By that statement )taken from the webiste tommyD posted), I would be led to believe that the info published by FIRE at least has some merit, correct? |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Kevin_M on Nov 3rd, 2007, 12:28pm on 11/03/07 at 11:58:41, Maffumatt wrote:
Right-Wing Conspiracy Theories and Left-Wing Conspiracy Theories Compared The American appetite for conspiracy theories, the present is not excluded I see. Illuminati conspiracy theory of 1790's Freemasons conspiracy theory of 1830's E. Wright Mills novel about them, "The Power Elite" 1953. Various ethnic, religious, racial, campaigns. Aliens by the Weekly World News. ask Oliver Stone, it's a big lucrative market to capitalize on. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by BarbaraD on Nov 3rd, 2007, 4:29pm Sorry, I'm digressing - BUT about being a racist... Only white people can be racists???? BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The most REV. Al Sharpton and the big mouth Jesse Jackson are the most biggotted racist pigs I've EVER heard in my lifetime. MLK had a dream, but I don't think either of them were a part of it! Everytime either of them open their mouths they're spouting hatred of the "white man" for no apparent reason and keeping everyone in a big unnecessary stew for their own benefit. There is another thread here that pretty well states that we're either AMERICANS or we're NOT. Sorry, but that one just got to me.... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Jonny on Nov 3rd, 2007, 4:43pm on 11/02/07 at 11:00:53, Brewcrew wrote:
Aint this guy speaking to adults? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0 |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Annette on Nov 3rd, 2007, 4:50pm on 11/02/07 at 08:41:32, BarbaraD wrote:
I agree with Barbara here entirely, so I am adding my 2 cents to her 2 cents, that makes 4 cents ;) |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Charlie on Nov 3rd, 2007, 7:32pm Responding mostly to Dave: The thing is that we on the left, have let the right get away with its constant berating of us when we come up with ideas not approved or originated by members of bizarre edges of their party. They never never admit that there just might be a little room for another position or that they are not perfect. In debates, the left almost always adds a qualifier when responding to questions or positions that we know are dangerous to the country or just nasty. The right, plays like Ann Coulter...the left are guilty of treason according to her. We have to stop and realize that our giving the right a little room by being civil and reasonable just doesn't work. We have to sink to their level in order to catch the attention of a dittohead or two. The only way to deal with their kind of politics is to focus on their negatives, not ours. There will be time for that when critical thinking, civility and concern for Americans that are not gay-bashers or CEOs, is allowed to be a part of political thought once more. The left leaves a little wiggle room in its thinking, the right never does, it's biblical to them. Ok. I'll leave the religious types alone when they do the same to me. Asking us to accept that these people are just out to offer choices in education requires us to make sure our bullshit detection kits are in good order. An example is that I have a neighbor that says that creationists are not out to kill evolution, just offer a choice....please. Deflection is the only tactic of the right that works well for them. Bush and his cohorts do nothing but try to scare us. One scare tactic that requires us to check our brains at the door as an example: They would have us believe that a Constitutional Amendment concerning gay marriage is a good idea. Aside from its ridiculous premise, it would cost hundreds of millions to try such a thing and take a dozen years to even come close, which is doubtful. Such deflection tactics when only used as a scare tactic to shut down debate, appeals to a lot of single issue voters on your side but it poisons politics. That the smoking gun from the Iranians might be a mushroom cloud is another exanple. Such retoric works when correctly aimed. They got elected with it. The left may use a scare tactic two but it pales in comparison to the bizarre punditry of the right. We need serious people in charge that like all Americans for a change. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Brewcrew on Nov 3rd, 2007, 8:22pm on 11/03/07 at 16:43:41, Jonny wrote:
Sorry, man. That one requires me to sign up, and I don't do that. My point was that people in college aren't kids anymore. They should be able to hear the opinions of others. When it comes right down to it, you can't get a higher education without being exposed to other people's opinions. It's almost mandatory. |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by assaultme on Nov 3rd, 2007, 9:03pm on 11/03/07 at 19:32:32, Charlie wrote:
Couldn't have said it better myself Charlie As far as gay marriage amendment goes, it is stupid as well as un Constitutional. Equal protection under the law would be my argument when they try that. I remember Bush talking about that and thinking: "Aint he made enough screw-ups to keep him busy!?!?" I was interested when you said that the battle between the two has caused one to stoop to the others level just to fend off attacks. I actually understand that. Sometimes people use such dirty tactics that one has to get dirty themselves just to keep ones head above water......I know, I suppose I have had to do the same at one point or another in my life. I think it is sad the state of affairs that politics have become as of late. No one even trusts any of them anymore because of all the mud they sling and the way they smear each other. I think you hit the nail on the head there. Cheers, Dave |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Charlie on Nov 3rd, 2007, 10:25pm Okay Dave. Now there is the difference between time wasting silliness and useful political debate/ideas. 8) Now if you and I can do this why don't the pinheads in DC get it too? MONEY I didn't learn it that way in Social Studies...Civics or whatever you call it. We need cattle prods. We can't afford these guys Charlie |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by BarbaraD on Nov 4th, 2007, 7:22am on 11/03/07 at 22:25:07, Charlie wrote:
I think that's what I've been trying to say Charlie -- THAT's NOT the way we LEARNED it. We learned it without the BIAS of an opinionated teacher. We LEARNED to form our OWN opinions (right or wrong). Then for the past several decades we've had to watch our constitution broken down by one "special interest" group or another to suit their opinions till we don't know where we stand today on anything. Our government tends to scare the bedevil out of us when they get in a jam, we can't raise our kids with any common sense - the laws of the land won't allow it, big brother can come down on us without any rhyme or reason because they have the "power" now and hundreds of other things that we've let happen. Looks to me like we're yelling democracy for the world when we're moving away from it in this country. I don't know what the answer is, but I sure don't like the way things are going.... Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by assaultme on Nov 4th, 2007, 10:04am on 11/03/07 at 22:25:07, Charlie wrote:
I agree Charlie. What gets me is all the spin everyone puts on things. I mean, what the hell ever happened to politicians just simply telling what they think and why they think it is the best way!?!? Nowadays it is nothing but spin, fear mongering, the blame game and insincerity. I could use Michael Moore as an example, but that is too easy [smiley=laugh.gif] Take Sean Hannity for example. I listen to him on occasion. Often enough I agree with him, but likewise his spin is obvious to me. For instance, he yammered on about WMD's being the reason for Iraq. THEN when things didn't look so good, he slowly changed to Iraqi freedom as the reason. How we gotta go around cleaning up the world...hurray for us !!! He is a master of words and left to speak could sell you the London Bridge. But when the average person thinks about it, they see the spin. On rare occasion, he is tripped up by a caller and his spin becomes SO obvious it is like standing in line at the grocery store and smelling something unpleasant. You know damn well it was the single and only person behind you, but they pretend like it isnt their bad manners. [smiley=laugh.gif] A good example of where we are at is this: I once read a couple people on a forum arguing about the deficit. One tell the other that the Democrats tax & spend. The other tells him that the Republicans just put it on the deficit and we pay for it anyways. That he would rather pay for it now to save the interest. Well yeah, but wouldn't it be better to not blow money we dont have to begin with??? I don't know if it will happen in our lifetime Charlie, but I hope all the bullshit and spin becomes something the American public wont stand for anymore and things will go back to honest debate and honest solutions. Unfortunately, I dont think it will. Things gotta "hit bottom" before they get addressed.......damn...sorry for the depressing outlook. :( Man! I cant even say "cheers" ...oh bloody hell [smiley=laugh.gif] Dave |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Charlie on Nov 4th, 2007, 4:00pm Dave: Every Sunday morning I tune in the Buffalo public tv station to hear The McGlaufflin Report where two right wingers and two left wingers get into the weeks political nonsense. Lots of good natured yelling but they have fun. One is usually Pat Buchanan. I hate to say it but most of the time I like what he says. He's mellowed a bit and he's terrified that Cheney wants a insane war with Iran and that we are headed for some bigtime economy trouble. Have to agree with him. In any case, at least they're civil to one another. They have fun with Billary too. One of Mark Shields' jokes is that look what might happen if she wins. If you think Bill was a bit iffy with his marriage before, just wait until he has at least for years wandering around the White House alone.... :o :D Charlie |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Jonny on Nov 4th, 2007, 4:12pm on 11/03/07 at 20:22:29, Brewcrew wrote:
Try this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0 Opinions? |
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Title: Re: The thought police are out to get the kids Post by Brewcrew on Nov 4th, 2007, 5:17pm on 11/04/07 at 16:12:33, Jonny wrote:
Same stuff - requires sign up. Can't do it on the company's computer. |
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