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(Message started by: Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 6:05pm)

Title: GeeZ
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 6:05pm

So I hired a guy the other day, He swore up and down that he could pee clean, pass a criminal history check, and had a valid DL. I needed someone badly and he was experienced so I let him start the same day I interviewed him. Day 2 (yesterday) I had to fire him because his criminal history showed a felony theft and possession conviction. Plus his drivers license was suspended, then today his piss test results came back dirty. Good help is hard to find...............If you knew you couldn't pass these things, would you waste my time and money??????????

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by LeLimey on Oct 18^th, 2007, 6:21pm

He still earned money for 1-2 days I suppose.

I know he lied but at least he was trying to work which is more than can be said for alot - I'm not condoning him just trying to find something positive from the experience for you!

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by MR_FLOOR on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:19pm

on 10/18/07 at 18:05:41, Maffumatt wrote:

I had to fire him because his criminal history showed a felony theft and possession conviction. Plus his drivers license was suspended, then today his piss test results came back dirty. Good help is hard to find

You'd think he would be able to pull off at least 1 of the 3 requirements. How pathetic of a loser is he.

BTW Matt do make them do those things for insurance reasons or personal reasons?

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:31pm

Insurance reasons, plus there are requirements for entry onto the facility. Would you want a thief, drug addict, with a suspended license running a locomotive inside a munitions plant, with access to lots of small and large things that go BOOM? Hell I'm surprised they let me.......

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Redd on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:52pm

Good help IS hard to find everywhere. I'm just glad I took tomorrow off so I don't have to be there for the "going away lunch" for Gale. (I don't know if I could keep my mouth shut and be nice)

Be glad fireing is so easy there. Steve was a bad hire, he's a brainless wonder. (What central WI born and raised 35 year old [supposedly professional] man walks around with a George Harrison perma tan, daddy's suit jackets that hang on him like a potato sack and calles everybody Dude?) Then to top it off he's got this whiney little peeon voice that grates on your last nerve. But Mommy and Daddy's money gets him by. Don't piss off community benefactors.

Sorry I went on a rant.

Didn't mean to hoist your thread Matt. Back to regularly scheduled programming.

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by MR_FLOOR on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:52pm

on 10/18/07 at 19:31:29, Maffumatt wrote:

I hear ya. I have a flooring company and the union is making the installers piss. Do you know how hard it is to find a floor guy that don't at least smoke weed. I have been in the business for over 20 years and all the good installers party. Oh well there will be alot of rehab going on.

Dave

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:58pm

Laying carpet and vinyl was my very first job. I still have my tools, even my power stretcher. I have fallen back on that many times over the years. Started out at 25 Cents a yard at age 13. I worked for a family friend.

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by assaultme on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:23pm

Yeah Matt....we have piss tests as well.

It got to the point where the company would make potential employees pay for their own test, then reimburse them as soon as they passed. It was reasonable to do so since they were warned in advance that they had to be clean. Why take it if you know you are dirty eh?

10 a week would come in and piss dirty. Each test was costing us something like $45
It is not a cliche' without truth. Good help is very hard to find.

I personally dont see a problem with a guy relaxing after work with a joint any more than with a beer or two.
But thats a different subject.

In answer to your question: I think some people think the golden seal root, 30 gallons of water (most effective), cranberry juice, eye of newt or whatever they take will fool the tests. Others just give it a try to see if they can skate by the test.

Either way, the test is pretty damn sensitive to most drugs and you are likely NOT going to fool it.

Cheers, Dave

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by MR_FLOOR on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:47pm

on 10/18/07 at 19:58:02, Maffumatt wrote:

Started out at 25 Cents a yard at age 13.

Wow I get 7.50 for glue down and 9.00 for stretch in. But don't forget my guys make 37.77 per hour plus 16.50 per hour for there benefit package so thats 54.27 per hour. So my cost per day per man is 434.16,so if guys don't produce it's Bye-bye.

Dave

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Redd on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:53pm

My point is that it doesn't matter if they pass the drug tests, there are still bad hires. It's then cororate policy as to how to handle them.

Example: I've never had to write a personal review in my life, ad I was placed on a 90 review because I didn't write an "acceptable review" of myself. Well sheeash. I'm 40 something, and I'm supposed to know this shit?

So I did alot of research into how to write a "self assessment". Went through the new revised meeting with flying colors. It's only about selling your self. Prostituting yourself to the corporation.

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by cynjeep89 on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:58pm

Hey Dave,

My Dad had a tile, carpet, linoleum and marble company for about 30 years....hard work it is indeed.

Gotta ask you, how are your knees holding up?

Between the carpet stretcher kickin' and tile installations jobs, Dad and my brother probably had more knees tapped than anyone I have ever known.

Hazzard of the trade...bummer!

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:10pm

on 10/18/07 at 20:47:50, MR_FLOOR wrote:

That was 20 years ago lol, we put tile down at a dealership in Atlanta then the next job was a motel, I thought I was rolling in the money.......... ;;D To bad they all weren't that easy, I'd probably still be laying it, if my knees held up that is......may hit you up for a job someday.......always leave your options open, never burn bridges, and keep an eye on the possibilities........

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by MR_FLOOR on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:31pm

on 10/18/07 at 20:58:08, cynjeep89 wrote:

Gotta ask you, how are your knees holding up?

Hey Cynn,

To be honest there not, Three surgery's and alot of pain. That is the reason I opened my own shop,so eventually I can get off my knees.

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Ray on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:38pm

on 10/18/07 at 19:31:29, Maffumatt wrote:

I can pass the 3 tests, no drugs without Rx, no criminal history, and clean drivers license. I don't live in TX and I guess you guys have a tough non-smoking policy....

Any relocation package?

I might want to drive a choo choo. I used to drive an "n" gauge train set, does that qualify me as experienced....

Just a thought,

Ray (edited for typo)

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Jonny on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:52pm

One of the reasons I started my own company was the way I look, I would never even get to the drug test stage. They would just look at me and say "Sorry, no more openings" no matter how many years I have been doing that specific job.

I have not done any (but CH) drugs in 18 years and damn proud of it!

15 years ago I said fuck it I will do my own thing, borrowed money for a welder and a saw. Got some help from my high school tech teacher to start an account at a metal supply joint and its all good now.

Five years before that I got hired to do drywall (I didnt know how to do it) and within six months I was under bidding the guy that hired me and making cash over fist.

If you want it you will fucking get it!

My old man always said that if you want it your way, do it your way........RIP Dad! :'(

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by ClusterChuck on Oct 18^th, 2007, 11:49pm

When I was in manufacturing management, and had to do the hiring and firing, I discovered something. If I needed to hire a machine operator, it usually took me 8 to 10 people before I finally got a good one.

Too many people are shocked that when you hire them, and agree to give them a paycheck, they actually have to WORK or be PRODUCTIVE in order to continue to receive that paycheck! Imagine that!

Or, maybe I was just an a$$hole, to expect work for the money I give them ...

Chuck

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by sandie99 on Oct 19^th, 2007, 3:29am

Matt, sorry about that kind of experience...

What comes to me, I have been trying to find a job for few years now. Part-time, summer, full-time. Tried, applied, never heard anything, got to the interview part, heard that I had talent, but only got hired to do telemarketing (and I'm not good at that).

Back in here, jobs are scarce. Everyone demands for a degree, experience and all sorts of other skills. Even the local McDonald's has turned me down - at the city of 40.000 students (and 80.000 inhabitants), they have plenty to choose from.

My mistake? I decided to follow my passion and study journalism. It never occured to me that after that I cannot get another kinds of jobs if the journalism ones would not work out... :-/

Still, if I could go back in time and change all that, I bet I would choose the same. My passion is writing; I can't get over that. All I've ever wanted do is just that; write, write and again write.

Quote:

My old man always said that if you want it your way, do it your way........

Jonny, that is a great quote. Had I followed that earlier, perhaps things were different... who knows.

Sanna

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by assaultme on Oct 19^th, 2007, 8:53pm

on 10/18/07 at 21:52:08, Jonny wrote:

And it sounds like it was a blessing in disguise Jonny.

Good job!!!

Cheers, Dave

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Miss Independent on Oct 19^th, 2007, 9:07pm

on 10/18/07 at 21:31:26, MR_FLOOR wrote:

...so eventually I can get off my knees.

:-X :-X :-X

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by MR_FLOOR on Oct 19^th, 2007, 10:27pm

on 10/19/07 at 21:07:59, Miss Independent wrote:

:-X :-X :-X

I guess I saw that comming,thanks Liz.

Dave

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Rosybabe on Oct 19^th, 2007, 10:35pm

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Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by midwestbeth on Oct 19^th, 2007, 11:39pm

As a businesss owner of a heating, cooling & sheet metal business for the past 16 years..........I feel your pain. Finding and retaining employee's who want to work, earn good money with benifits, damn near impossible............Union guy's off the bench, 7out of 10 times do not even have a valid drivers license and only want to work enough hours so they can collect unemployment 6 months and work 6 months.......WTF???

Beth

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Jonny on Oct 19^th, 2007, 11:54pm

on 10/19/07 at 23:39:44, midwestbeth wrote:

Thats fucked up, Beth......even before I owned my own company I worked all the overtime I could get. there was not enough money that I could stuff in my savings account.

I still blame Mr Rogers for telling kids that know matter what "They are special"

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 19^th, 2007, 11:59pm

When I went to work for this company I averaged 70 to 80 hours OT every check, bi monthly. That was the only way I could afford to pay my bills. The last 4 guys I had hired couldn't make it the first ninety days without missing an average of 4 days. I have called in only once in the last 5 years. That was because I had a port in my arm for DHE. To me that is like paying a days wages to take a day off.....I can't afford that....

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by Callico on Oct 20^th, 2007, 12:51am

Got a job for a guywith a weak back and a weaker mind?

I can pass all three, in fact had to pee in the bottle this morning on a random. My problem has been since I had to go back to working for the other guy is tht I am old enough tht I can't afford to take an entry level job, and due to the back injury from the car wreck 4 yrs ago can't do the work I'm good at other than drive. I don't really want to get back into a big truck due to back probs, etc., but with the increasing cost of fuel it is getting harder and harder to make it with what I'm doing now.

Jerry

Title: Re: GeeZ
Post by BarbaraD on Oct 21^st, 2007, 1:47pm

I've mostly been in business for myself since I was in my 20s and it IS hard to get good help when they find out they have to work as hard as I do if they want to STAY employed by me.

With CH, I'm not very sympathetic about "small" ailments and calling off sick. Had a hypochondriac (msp) come to me one day (by my accounting she should have been dead 10 years ago with all her ailments) with a "headache" that was just "killing" her and she needed to go home. Now I was working at my computer with a hep lock in my arm (I was taking DHE IV every 8 hours at the doc's office or ER to break a cycle at the time) and could barely hold my head up. Needless to say, that was her last day of employment at my firm.

But when I had the plumbing company, no one could say I wasn't a fair employer. I hired ex-cons IF they were honest about it with me. And did really well with them. Only had one screw up in 10 years - a hot check writer and the other guys warned me about him after I hired him. I found the ex-cons (and most were on probation when I hired them) to be better employees than most of the "good Christian" people who applied. Some of the other plumbing contractors questioned my logic on hiring them, but later (after a couple of years) tried to hire them away from me - my guys didn't go. So felony records aren't a big deal with me as an employer - but drug tests I agree with.

I'm just glad now with "semi" retirement I'm out of the employing business. It's much easier doing things myself and knowing that if it's wrong - I have only myself to blame (and yes, I actually made a mistake one time!).

Hugs BD