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(Message started by: Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:36am)

Title: Schools know best
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:36am

Is this right?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iVGnJMjw7hzjRGVQ_yviGL9GR2Cw

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by LeLimey on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:39am

Jonny mentioned about that last night.

If I was younger - I wouldn't have kids. I'ts getting so that parents have no part whatsoever in raising them and that is one of the saddest things I've ever written down.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Mosaicwench on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:53am

It's not just schools.

I can't participate in my son's health care if he doesn't want me to - he's 15 (it's been this way since he was 12).

I HAVE to pay the bills but the doctor can ask for private time with my son and the doctor is under legal obligation NOT to disclose what they chatted about (or what he was treated for).

Tell me that isn't a crock of $hit.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Paul98 on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:21am

I guess I should be thankful I don't have children. I pay huge school taxes and if I ever found out the school system was providing my children with ANY form of medication o hormones without my express consent I would wade through the school administration building with a flencing knife and exterminate them.

This is what scares me about the "Hillary's" and it takes a village crowd. It boils down to the common people becoming "breeders" of future tax payers and labor for the politicians.

-P.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Mosaicwench on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:27am

on 10/18/07 at 09:21:27, Paul98 wrote:

This is what scares me about the "Hillary's" and it takes a village crowd. It boils down to the common people becoming "breeders" of future tax payers and labor for the politicians.

Not only breeders . . . the public schools exist to make children compliant little drones who willingly let the government run roughshod over their lives.

Used to be that higher education existed to teach critical thinking skills and individuality was encouraged.

Now, despite the 'celebrate diversity" crowd, individuality is crushed and critical thinking is discouraged. They want to celebrate diversity (as long as we all think the same thing) and individuality is "can't we all be the same."

Welcome to George Orwell's 1984.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by jimmers on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:29am

Geeze,

Now we have to spend our tax dollars in case kids want to get laid.

I wonder actually how many 6-8 graders are sexually active?

And can these numbers be defined by areas of the country or certain cities or school districts? I bet the results would be interesting.

Kids can't even take a Goddamn aspirin while in school because its against the rules. But the school is allowed to pass out what are normally prescribed drugs? When the hell did a school nurse become a doctor? Just wait until one of these girls has an adverse reaction to the pill and dies (Which can happen) It will be the biggest lawsuit anyone has ever seen! And John D. Taxpayer will have to foot the bill.

This borders on being illegal.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by sandie99 on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:39am

Maybe it is a good thing that for the time being my "kids" are guinea pigs... I'm getting more and more scared about having kids.

Sanna

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Wayne on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:55am

Oh the joy of it. You guys may be happy to know that this type of idiocy is not confined to the Western world. Here in SA we have a huge problem with HIV/AIDS and teenage pregnancies etc. The governments solution to this problem - lower the age of consent to 12 years of age for girls and any girl 12 yrs or older can march into a clinic and get an abortion without her parents consent or knowledge. 12 YEARS OLD for goodness sake!!

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Emily on Oct 18^th, 2007, 10:03am

12???

Good god. I don't think I'd even had my first kiss by then...

I sound really old now, don't I!!

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by sandie99 on Oct 18^th, 2007, 10:17am

12?! :o OMG! That's horrible! :(

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by LeLimey on Oct 18^th, 2007, 10:21am

on 10/18/07 at 09:55:51, Wayne wrote:

Now there is a situation where raising the age of consent and the consequences of breaking it would be a better option but nooooo..

With respect Wayne, your government ought to be prosecuted for what amounts to legalising paedophilia.

The world is truly going mad :-/

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Brewcrew on Oct 18^th, 2007, 10:54am

on 10/18/07 at 10:21:07, LeLimey wrote:

The world is truly going mad :-/

Or as they say down under, it's gone beyond the black stump.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Mosaicwench on Oct 18^th, 2007, 12:14pm

Here's a little tidbit from personal experience. When Jrbrew was in 8th grade we took advantage of a virtual public school as an educational option. We oversaw his public school education in our home, with curriculum and instruction coming via internet.

The WI Teacher's Union sued our school trying to shut it down on the grounds that . . . . .

wait for it . . . . . .

on the grounds that parents were morally unfit to teach their own children.

Needless to say the lawsuit was thrown out and virtual schooling thrives here in WI.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Rosybabe on Oct 18^th, 2007, 12:15pm

at 12 I was still playing dolls and jumping up and down on trees and having the time of my life...months later CH began...thinking about sexual relationships?..not in my menu back then, not even in my mind...

I think I will keep my daughter at home as long as I can..or if it turns really ugly here...I go back to where I came from.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Callico on Oct 18^th, 2007, 1:05pm

this is one more reason more and more people are switching to home education. I applaud the Brewcrew for what they have done with their son. The very concept that parents aren't "morally fit" to teach their children is beyond absurd.

What ever happened to the concept of personal responsibility? Why is it so wrong to teach the kids that abstinance guarantees freedom from worry about pregnancy. (Or STD's either) The old Catholic school teaching for the girls is very effective. Take two aspirin when you go out on a date. (Hold them between your knees ;;D)

for some reason the liberal mindset in this country is to remove the consequences from actions rather than discouraging misbehaviour. We definately need some major changes in our thinking in this country.

Jerry

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Brewcrew on Oct 18^th, 2007, 1:27pm

Here's the thing that continues to blow my mind: the lawsuit was brought forward by the teachers' union. In other words, teachers. The ones who will spend all sorts of time and money convincing us that they have our children's best interests in mind.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by JenniferD on Oct 18^th, 2007, 1:40pm

on 10/18/07 at 12:14:52, Mosaicwench wrote:

on the grounds that parents were morally unfit to teach their own children.

Hey brew, when my son was expelled and I was doing the homeschooling for the last 6 wks of school, I was denied my right to homeschool at first. The county tried to force me to not work in order to take him back and forth to afternoon/night school, even threatened me with charges for truancy if he didn't go.

I ignored the threats, filed for homeschooling and then had to PROVE I was capable and fit to teach him!

>:(

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Jonny on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:18pm

"After an outbreak of pregnancies among middle school girls, education officials in this city have decided to allow a school health center to make birth control pills available to girls as young as 11."

To me its child endangerment, how many kids that age are going to remember to take that pill everyday?

How many girls will be raped when young dudes think they cant get her pregnant?

What about STD's, birth control dont stop that shit, does it?

Young dudes aint going to wear no fucking condom....I never did!

There are actually lines of clothing aimed at pre-teen that include thongs with cherry print on them....oh great, invite the fucking child molesters.

WTF?

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:21pm

Whats going to happen when you give a prepubescent girl those hormones? Is that even safe? Oh man I would be pissed........

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Sean_C on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:22pm

I make it no secret that I have issues with the liberals that run our school systems.

We can vote them out of office but we don't, primarily because most parents who do vote, don't even know what going on themselves and just check off a box at the polls.

The solution is if you don't know what a candidate stands for don't punch the ticket just because its your party or because they are the incumbent etc etc etc.

Sean....................................

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:26pm

It is really quite sad where our Country is going. If you don't vote in the next presidential election---then YOU are the problem!

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by M.R. on Oct 18^th, 2007, 7:41pm

Brewdude

It may have not been the teachers per say that didn't want you to home school, it was more likely just the union. And the county in your case Jennifer. The fewer children they have in public schools, the less funding they have. The more that home school, less money for teacher raises and building improvements (for the county). At least that's how it is in Mich. My guess is the union and the county could care less about your kid as long as they get the money.

Mike

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Mosaicwench on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:08pm

on 10/18/07 at 19:41:37, M.R. wrote:

It may have not been the teachers per say that didn't want you to home school, it was more likely just the union. And the county in your case Jennifer. The fewer children they have in public schools, the less funding they have. The more that home school, less money for teacher raises and building improvements (for the county). At least that's how it is in Mich. My guess is the union and the county could care less about your kid as long as they get the money.

What you didn't understand is that the teacher's union was suing A PUBLIC SCHOOL!!

WI has open enrollment which means I can enroll my child in ANY school in the state and my public school taxes follow him to that district (there are a few restrictions which are irrelevant to this discussion).

One of the options is to enroll in a VIRTUAL PUBLIC SCHOOL. So in essence the Teacher's Union was suing their own members and the school in which they are employed (teacher's union dues are mandatory here, attendance at their functions is not).

And they get their money whether I homeschool or use a public school. My portion of the property tax that is earmarked for schools doesn't get refunded if I choose to traditionally homeschool.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by M.R. on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:17pm

Mrs. Brew

I know in Mich. there is a headcount on a certain day of each year. For each child counted, something like 750 bucks is given to the school. I don't know if that is distribution of the taxes collected, or matching funds from the government (I believe it is the latter). It wouldn't surprise me that the union would sue anything that would take away that funding.

Mike

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Brewcrew on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:33pm

on 10/18/07 at 19:26:13, zwibbs/Scott wrote:

It is really quite sad where our Country is going. If you don't vote in the next presidential election---then YOU are the problem!

There ain't a plug nickel's worth of difference between the two major parties, Zwibby. Their number one major goal is to create compliant taxpayers. Why is it then that I'm supposed to vote?

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:46pm

on 10/18/07 at 20:33:07, Brewcrew wrote:

Why is it then that I'm supposed to vote?

Just so I don't have to listen to Hillary's voice on TV every day is good enough for me.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by cash5542 on Oct 18^th, 2007, 8:47pm

We had a discussion about this today at school (I'm a teacher) and everyone I work with is appalled. The nurse said she would refuse because she is a conscientious objector. We too are in a mess and all we are trying to do is teach your kids the best way we know how! I know many school systems aren't the best. I pulled my son out of middle school in the county where we live and paid 3 years of tuition because I was appalled at our county. I paid this tuition to the neighboring county where I worked. Unions vary from State to State as well as their power and effectiveness.The last I heard several of the southern states don't even have them. As I said in an earlier post, the schools shouldn't have to do this stuff but there are so many parents that don't work with their kids. Unfortunatley, many good kids like yours are caught in the middle!

Charlotte

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Brewcrew on Oct 18^th, 2007, 9:01pm

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you find yourself constantly voting AGAINST people instead of FOR their opponents.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Charlie on Oct 18^th, 2007, 10:20pm

Parents are supposed to deal with children this young.

It's a shame that something so local is spattered all over cable news. It's not national news but it's a cash cow for selling pills.

Charlie

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 18^th, 2007, 10:26pm

It is a nation news, if there is enough uproar about it, the next distric over, or even 5 states over may just think twice about it.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Charlie on Oct 18^th, 2007, 10:36pm

Didn't know it spread so far. I need to catch up on the papers.

Charlie.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by midwestbeth on Oct 19^th, 2007, 12:39pm

[quote]for some reason the liberal mindset in this country is to remove the consequences from actions rather than discouraging misbehaviour. We definately need some major changes in our thinking in this country.
[/quote]

That about sums it up.

Drug addicts in San Fransisco can now also shoot up herion "safely" under the supervision of nurses.

Beth

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by BarbaraD on Oct 19^th, 2007, 1:51pm

We PAY school taxes - we can start there. If everyone who pays school taxes were to show up at school board meetings and SEE what's going on and protest what they don't agree with- THEN something might get done.

And yes, I've attended school board meetings (and city council meetings and country court meetings, etc) and protested (loudly) at things I didn't like and "sometimes" I got something done. But getting a crowd to go is something else again. A few CAN make a difference, but a crowd can make a LOT of difference.

And I'm with Rosy - at 11-12 - I had a lot more to do than think about sex. Of course, my PARENTS raised me - not the damn schools or the government. And thank goodness for that. Back in MY day - we got married and THEN thought about BABIES! We also had a name for girls who did it basackwards.... it was a MORAL thing we learned in church and from our parents.

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Sean_C on Oct 19^th, 2007, 4:16pm

on 10/19/07 at 13:51:04, BarbaraD wrote:

Exactly, however, the majority of Americans don't vote because of a candidates issues past or present. They vote thier party.

How many people here have voted in a primary election to say vote for thier Governor, and maybe a ballot question they were concerned about, only to cast votes for somethingelse on the ballot that they ABSOLUTLEY knew nothing about? My guess is everybody here.

Back to the original question at hand, I would like to know where the birth control was for "these" parents of children 11 years old that are pregnant??

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 21^st, 2007, 8:21am

I found out why the schools want to give little girls birth control,

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/10/21/in_5_years_60_educators_disciplined/

In 5 years, 60 educators disciplined

More than 60 educators were disciplined or dismissed during a five-year period in Massachusetts for ethical or criminal offenses, including more than a third who were accused of sexual misconduct ranging from sexual harassment to child rape, according to a review of records by the Associated Press.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by M.R. on Oct 21^st, 2007, 10:44am

All across the country. Hide, deny it, pass it on, and maybe it will go away.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21392345/

Mike

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 21^st, 2007, 11:14am

Of no consequence Brew, just tracking your "valuation" of politics over a four day period here.

on 10/15/07 at 10:43:01, Brewcrew wrote:

Anybody ever tries to tell me there's more than a dime's worth of difference between the two major parties and I'll smack 'em.

on 10/18/07 at 20:33:07, Brewcrew wrote:

There ain't a plug nickel's worth of difference between the two major parties, ...

on 10/19/07 at 12:56:26, Brewcrew wrote:

I should know better than to offer half a cent on a political thread.

;;D LMAO

You always have a good opinion Brew, but a damn frustrating subject. ;)

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Brewcrew on Oct 21^st, 2007, 12:20pm

Sonofabitch - I didn't know I was being watched so closely.

15.5 cents worth of opinions.

That and a buck will get you a cup of coffee, but you better have the buck.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Annette on Oct 21^st, 2007, 12:27pm

The interesting thing is, the cause of all these problems may have started with ..... guess what ? ... diet !

50, 60 years ago girls would only reach puberty and have menarchy ( first menstrual period ) around the age of 14, 15. Now they start from as early as 9 or 10. There had been cases of girls starting from as young as 7 or 8 years old.

The change is due to increased body weight. When does a girl reach puberty depends on how much body weight, especially fat weight she has. Oestrogen is stored in fat cells so the heavier she is the more oestrogen the body has and the earlier she will reach puberty.

On average, girls are about 8- 10 kgs heavier than their grandmothers at about the same age.

If a girl doesnt reach puberty until 14 or 15, she is unlikely to be interested in having sex and most definitely cant get pregnant until then.

These days kids get overfed and get less and less physical exercise and they get fatter and fatter, compared to their great grandparents and grand parents. This is leading to a whole host of problems, both medical and social as well as psychological.

Maybe the answer doesnt lie in us chasing the tail ie catering for pregnancy in younger and younger kids, but to take a step back and look at the whole picture and start weeding the problems at the root.

Nature intended that the female body shouldnt be ready for sex and pregnancy until the age of 14,15 as by then the brain would have been mature enough to think critically and responsibly.

Maybe I am wrong here, but I believe that should we change our diet and allow our bodies to mature naturally, we would be able to prevent a lot of problems.

My 2 cents !

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Kevin_M on Oct 21^st, 2007, 12:33pm

You cracked me up with the original ten center. I've remembered the other remarks in comparison descending gradually within days on the merit to you of reading about politics. It was funny, I'm close to all three quotes too sometimes, bud. ;)

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by BarbaraD on Oct 21^st, 2007, 1:13pm

Annette, you have a point here...

Back in my day, we had PHYSICAL EXERCISE programs in school - we played ball, jumped rope, played on jungle gyms etc. Today, it's too hot/cold to play outside - we MUST protect the kids from heat and cold - let 'em sit inside and watch videos instead of getting any exercise (and feed 'em sugared stuff while they're sitting on their rears).

Heck, when we got home from school, we had CHORES that required MORE physical exercise and at night we were ready to go to bed cause we were TIRED! Of course back in those days we didn't have TV and we didn't sit on our butts all day and night and eat all day and night.

Maybe the SCHOOLS, PARENTS and our esteemed GOVERNMENT should take a look at WHAT WORKED!

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by cash5542 on Oct 21^st, 2007, 9:32pm

In 2000 Time or Newsweek did an article validating what I too was seeing in my classes. Hormones in foods, especially milk were one of the biggest causes for puberty beginning so early. We've learned even more since then. The sad part is these little girls are developing adult bodies and still have childlike minds. It's a dangerous combination! Out of school, you would have a hard time guessing their ages. Now we talk about putting more hormones in their already mixed up bodies???

Charlotte

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Sean_C on Oct 21^st, 2007, 9:53pm

Matt stop pickin on us Mass-holes ;;D ;;D

Boston schools are an institution for just about anything except learning. Scarey place to go, believe me.

Title: Re: Schools know best
Post by Maffumatt on Oct 23^rd, 2007, 5:36pm

I guess those guys are wishing they had thought about it a little bit more before they voted.

http://www.wmtw.com/news/14377635/detail.html

Portland Republican City Committee Chairman Nick McGee issued a statement that read, in part: “It is our duty as concerned citizens to remove those members that abuse their authority, ignore their mission and grossly misrepresent the will of the people they serve.”