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Title: Need advice please!!! Post by aubmari on Oct 4th, 2007, 6:41pm So I just got a call from my sister and she has been having problems with my 10 year old nephews teacher. Today she gets a call from his teacher that he has received his 5th "re-focus". They get them for not listening or talking when they aren't supposed to. Really not a huge deal. Anyway his teacher proceeds to tell my sister that she should take him out of football because it is affecting his school work..... he has all A's and 2 B's. What?? The only offense he has is talking in class when he isn't suppose to. Yah this isn't okay and he shouldn't do it.............. So my sister picks him up from school today and he is really upset and says that he had to stay inside for recess (rightfully so) and that after that the entire school had an assembly. While at the assembly he turned arround to talk to a classmate behind him and his teacher came up behind him and flicked him so hard on the ear he started crying. She then realized what she had done and apologized saying" I shouldn't have flicked you so hard" So IMO she should not EVER touch him. My sister is livid. She called and isn't sure what to do. I say definately say something to the school or the teacher. Her thinking is that it is her job to disipline sp? him and she does! What do you all think?? Aumari edited to add: Am I just an overprotective Auntie or what??? |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Jonny on Oct 4th, 2007, 6:49pm The flicker should be kicked in the face hard! File a formal complaint with the school and let them know she might even fucking sue them. If it were my kid I would be down there wanting to kill someone....but thats just me. ;) Defiantly make a complaint or the kid will go through it again. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by aubmari on Oct 4th, 2007, 6:52pm Thanks Jonny!!! ;) I am just pissed cuz he is a really good kid and really sensitive. I cant even imagine how embarrassed he was after she did that. Aubmari |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Redd on Oct 4th, 2007, 7:04pm Is this a military school? Are they demanding these kids behave like little clones? If what "talking" the kid does isn't disruptive or abusive, I don't see the deal. Assemblies are ultra casual. I ran accross a teacher in my son's past that I had to go toe to toe with. Never EVER does a teacher use any sort of corporal method. I have seen circumstances where there is express permission form a parent to do so because the child has known and documented behavior issues but they are extreemly rare. This sounds like a tyrant of a teacher, who should concider retirement. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Rosybabe on Oct 4th, 2007, 7:06pm Aubmari please check your PM's. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Gena on Oct 4th, 2007, 8:01pm Before I start on my rant let me say I do not think that the flicking of the ear in front of every one was appropriate. But I do not think that it is a suing offense. I think one of the things that is wrong with the schools to day is that there is not enough discipline. Students now days run a muck and the teacher have no power. My son complains everyday that in half of his classes he in learning next to nothing do to the talking and goofing of his classmates. So maybe he should not have been flicked but if he thought he was going to get flicked the next time he talked, maybe he would think twice about it. I am tired of the way schools are run now days. Rant done. Now Fire away!!!! |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Jonny on Oct 4th, 2007, 8:37pm on 10/04/07 at 20:01:51, Gena wrote:
No one has the right to put their hands on your kid for any reason.....well, maybe if the kid is trying to kill someone. Do you know that some schools wont even let KIDS hold hands or hug?......Then why the fuck is this teacher causing pain to this ten year old? The principal at my high school swore up and down that he saw me breaking hallway lights with my fists and there was blood on the floor. The next day me and my Dad were in his office and he jumped up and said "I know it was him hes a trouble maker".......with that my Dad grabbed my hands and said "do you see any cuts on his hands?" Needless to say the principal was out gunned and started yelling, Dad politely reached over the desk, grabbed him by the throat and threw him to the ground.....LOL BTW....I did not break shit...that dude had it out for me and he got what was coming to him for thinking he was meaner than my Dad (That did 17 years straight years in prison before I was born).....LMAO ;;D Its up to the parent to dicipline their kid! |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Gena on Oct 4th, 2007, 9:20pm on 10/04/07 at 20:37:31, Jonny wrote:
But Most Don't... There are bad people no matter what... All I am saying is that when I was in school you tried very hard not to F up because if you did you were sent down to the dean of students and got your ass paddled. I just finished talking with my 16 year old son and his best friend. Believe it or not they agree with me. Edited to say: Fear of consequence is not a bad thing!!! |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Rosybabe on Oct 4th, 2007, 9:26pm on 10/04/07 at 20:37:31, Jonny wrote:
Teachers are not well trained, no well paid and our children are paying the price. A teacher with a hormonal problem comes a drops her frustrations on a child. If the Teacher was well prepared to handle the situation professionally, no physical punishment should have been applied. A child who talks in class and gets good grades is a child who gets bored and needs more activities to keep him engaged in class. It was easier for the teacher to flicked him than to provide and extra worksheet for him. Yes, I will fire away over and over again. It is not the child's fault but the Teacher's. I am sure no parent will complain if his kid gets more than his share of worksheets at day instead of any kind of physical or mental punishment. A very mad Rosy. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by KJ on Oct 4th, 2007, 9:27pm Abumari- Sorry, I'm a little old school. If the kid can't take a flick on the ear, then he should definitley quit football! |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Jonny on Oct 4th, 2007, 9:30pm on 10/04/07 at 21:20:47, Gena wrote:
I think its fair to say that I am older than you.......if anyone paddled a kid back in my day the father would have killed them. But you didnt look 70 years old last time I saw you. ;) |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Jonny on Oct 4th, 2007, 9:32pm on 10/04/07 at 21:27:04, KJ wrote:
Ok, how about a teacher punches your kid in the mouth?......You cool with that? |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Woobie on Oct 4th, 2007, 10:36pm I know kids who got paddled in Catholic schools...my age... (which by the way, is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY younger than jonny!) ;;D BUT - nowadays - no teacher may touch, Hit, push, kick, flick, or molest my kids. I will discipline my kids. BUT - I CANNOT discipline my kids if I dont know what's going on at school. That would require the teachers to take time to call me... and that never happens. I never hear about anything until it's sooooo deep it's nearly impossible to fix anything.. I know that some parents don't - but it's not up to the teachers to determine who's parents DO and who's parents dont. It's up to the teachers to report things to parents, or principals... not to deal with everything themselves. I know that teacher's have a lot to deal with - but I believe, based on shit I've gone thru with my kids, that some of the teachers bring some of that on themselves... if they dont alert me to a problem, I cannot help fix it. The schools around here are always stressing "non-violent resolution". SO - if one of my kid's teachers got violent with my kid - well - that's not practicing what they preach... and I would get kinda pissy about it. I dont know if I would SUE...(i firmly believe too many people sue for stupid shit.) but i would definately have my kid taken out of that class, and possibly the school alltogether. I do agree that kids should be scared of consequences of their actions - but I dont believe those consequences should be violence from teachers. And that's all I have to say about that. woobs :-* |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by BlueMeanie on Oct 4th, 2007, 11:49pm on 10/04/07 at 21:20:47, Gena wrote:
Yep, I can relate Gena. 5th grade Mr. Runyan paddled pretty hard. I guess I shouldn't have been talking when the class was told to be quiet. :o |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by thomas on Oct 5th, 2007, 9:20am on 10/04/07 at 21:30:15, Jonny wrote:
We both went to school a lot farther south than Bahston. Trust me down south, coporal punishment was still going on in the 70's and 80's. I know I got a paddle across my ass more than once, all to way up until I was 15 and moved to Swisconsin. I think a lot of people could benefit with a swat on the ass, myself. It's a lot easier to learn early in life that you have to obey the rules, later on it gets more painful and expensive. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by seasonalboomer on Oct 5th, 2007, 9:25am on 10/04/07 at 21:27:04, KJ wrote:
Insensitive, politically incorrect, old-school...definitely, but right on the mark!!!! Scott |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by assaultme on Oct 5th, 2007, 10:09am Undoubtedly, it was wrong to flick the kids ear. He didn't have it coming anyways. Not that it has anything to do with Abumaris son, but it goes both ways tho. My Mom quit doing substitute teacher job cause of some of the high school kids scared her. They have been known to punch a woman teacher, causing her a hospital trip and broken jaw. The law doesn't do a damn thing about it. Teachers aren't even allowed to fight back here in Illinois. I know if one of those little J.D.'s punched me, he'd better get ready to get busted up bad. Again, it doesn't reflect on Abumaris complaint, but I thought I would bring it up. It is frustrating what goes on in school these days. Dave |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Kevin_M on Oct 5th, 2007, 10:16am on 10/05/07 at 09:20:29, thomas wrote:
After all the practically daily corner and out in the hall standing during grade school, well-wacked paddlings in junior high, and vice principle visits as well as physical intimidation and expulsion in high school, I'd have to say it never did a lick of difference. "What, that's all that can happen to me? That's all you got?" Quote:
This though is so very, very right. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by aubmari on Oct 5th, 2007, 11:41am on 10/04/07 at 21:27:04, KJ wrote:
So first off!... He isn't a little wimp he is actually 5'7 and 170 in 5th grade and playing on the A team in football. Has always had A's and B's and definately isn't one of the kids that isn't disciplined. My sister is very tough on him when it comes to school, sports and how he treats people. I believe that kids should be punished for bad behavior but does this fit the crime. How many of us haven't gotten in trouble for talking in school when we weren't supposed to..... How many times was the punishment for that a paddle or a flick????' The kids aren't supposed to touvh each other and his school supposedly has a "0" tolerance for agressive or violent behavior. So why is this kind OK for the teacher. Aubmari |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Ghost on Oct 5th, 2007, 12:55pm on 10/05/07 at 11:41:22, aubmari wrote:
Its not I have had teachers that came up with the best punishment ever they called let the punishment fit the crime. this was many moons ago when the paddle was still in heavy use, I will vouch for that. But back to the method she used I have suggested it to some of my kids teachers but they dont want to because it doesnt seem fair. Of course these are the teachers that will grab a kids hair and yank them out of their desk. Here it is ,,, Talk in class = read shakespear to everyone in a loud voice during recess. Quite effective when you are shamed but still learning classic works. Act out in class = read shakespear to everyone in a loud voice during recess. in character with a british accent and she had props. the funny part was she was our math teacher! There was more but the list was long. Maybe you could give the teacher in question some ideas on how to better handle the situation since her instinct is not very good. I as others said file a formal complaint and keep a copy and have the teacher and principle sign it. that usually get there attention. Mike |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by cathip on Oct 5th, 2007, 1:39pm OK, I'm older than Jonny, too....and I can remember Coach Hauser lobbing chalkboard erasers at us in Homeroom when we couldn't settle down. They don't hurt, much, but the damn things are loaded with old chalk, and I SWEAR, some of it is still in my lungs! That was better than the principal(whose pal was he?), who kept his paddle on a hook right behind his desk. Yes, they used corporal punishment....now, they don't. The fact of the matter is, we have adopted a 'hands off' approach to teaching.this teacher breached that rule...and should be sanctioned! This teacher is one of a handfull who think they are omnipotent....or perhaps simply above the law....they need to be set straight. There is NO excuse for a teacher losing control! That said, I sure hate that parents( not your nephew, Aub) have completely given up on parenting.....it's the exception rather than the rule, but those little snots NEED to be smacked-HARD..someone's gotta show them where the rubber hits the road. But, I really don't have any thoughts on the subject....... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Aub, I think your sis needs to confront the teacher IN FRONT of the school principal.and if necessary, go up from there. Tenure be damnned-accountability is what is needed! Cathi :-* |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by LeLimey on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:10pm Okay just to chuck in a slightly different angle here.. How many times have any of you winced when someone has shook your hand and damn near crushed the bones, or hugged you so hard they've quite hurt you? It isn't their intention to hurt is it? We tend to say they don't know their own strength.. Okay now imagine that person giving a "light swat" to your kid. That's my problem with corporal punishment. One persons "light swat" is another person's definition of being knocked into the middle of next week. It's like pain. It's relative and that is why I cannot see corporal punishment ever being an option for discipline in schools. Then we have the fact that corporal punishment is not allowed. This means that under no circumstances should that teacher have laid a hand on that pupil in anger or frustration which is what it was. I can completely see it from the other side and understand exactly what Dave is saying about his mother fearing students. I wouldn't fancy being a high school teacher much myself. Teachers are pretty much left out in the cold as far as protecting themselves from violent students is concerned but at this point in time that is another issue. Aubmari, your sister needs to take this up with the school authorities. My biggest problem here is that the teacher allowed her frustration with your nephews talking to over ride her professional capabilities and that is a definite cause for concern. I can understand her frustration, his talking in class is rude, disruptive to other students and not to be tolerated and there isn't any excuse for his behaviour however, there is even less of an excuse for hers. Helen |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by seasonalboomer on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:17pm let it go. the kid will learn a far greater lesson - let the small stuff roll off your back. it was an ear flick, sheesh. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by aubmari on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:21pm Helen, I totally agree with you and dont want everyone to think that my opinion is that he should not get in trouble. If he is disturbing the class and not listening or following rules, he should most definately be reprimanded for it! ( detention, staying in for recess, a letter home or phone call to mom and dad, etc) My nephew should have consequences for his actions. If she is frustrated to the point that this is her answer then send him to the principals office instead. His mom feels the same way about it and he is grounded for week or more depending, with everything taken away. No Tv, phone, allowance, friends, etc. His actions were not excused due to the actions of the teacher. I think it should have been handled differently. Thanks for everyones views!! :) Aubmari |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Beastfodder on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:27pm Damn fool for hitting a child - In today's litigious society no wonder the teacher apologized pretty quickly and rightly so. For people who are supposed to be bigger and cleverer than the children they teach violence is not the answer. Great we're in a society where the young can be normalised to violence like this so young, doesn't solve anything and just creates more problems further down the line. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by LeLimey on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:34pm I just re read that last part of my post and it sounded very autocratic - it wasn't meant to be! I have three kids myself and my middle one just doesn't know when to shut up either! He recently had a letter sent home saying he would have a detention the following week for shouting out in class (he wasn't being "bad" - he shouted out an answer instead of waiting to be asked - he was excited as he actually knew it!) He got a dentention from school and then punished by me too. I grounded him for ten days but it ws a rolling ten days since he had two activities planned already so he was excused grounding for those days - and I made him write a letter of apology to the teacher concerned. He now knows that if he is in trouble at school he will get more at home but he also knows through a previous incident that if the school is in the wrong then I have his back and I don't take prisoners. I think he's more afraid of me finding out than he is of any "School punishment" though! ;) What I'm trying to say is that kids are kids, none of us have perfect kids. They all goof up and goof off but if they know we will both defend them when necessary and come down like a ton of bricks when they need that too then hopefully we'll raise kids we want to be around! This parenting lark isn't easy is it?! love Helen |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by HerbLady on Oct 5th, 2007, 2:55pm My husband called this discussion to my attention and asked me to respond. I came from the era when teachers paddled, and I think it was the best way for ME.... HOWEVER...in most states, corporal punishment is no longer allowed by teachers, and here's the rub. You have the right to know what to expect from your child's teacher, and to expect them to obey the rules set for THEM. If the teacher can't stay within the guidelines laid out by the school district for HER, what kind of role model is she for the children that she's trying to teach to be obedient? Even in the era of corporal punishment in schools, the GOOD teachers took the kids out into the hall for the paddling. Physically punishing a child in front of his peers is demeaning...the teacher is a bully, plain and simple. And lets really take a look at this request for the child to give up sports...the child is getting excellent grades, and yet the teacher says that the extracurriculars are interfering with his schoolwork...hmmm....obviously, the teacher has another reason to want the child to give up extracurriculars, and using grades as a scapegoat is the easiest way to accomplish this...it's the trump card...teachers can demand all sorts of unreasonable things on the basis of preserving the all-important grades...so what is the teacher REALLY after? It's my opinion, that the teacher is after compliance. Maybe I'm jaded because I've dealt with too many bully teachers...but I've actually seen teachers tell students "I can make your parents take you out of...." fill in the blank...sports, scouting, you name it...in order to get the child to be compliant out of fear. I'd argue on the side of caution. Once upon a time I made the mistake of not being cautious enough, and the teacher put bruises around my child's neck, all over his arms, and on his face and then called in the principal and accused my son of attacking her to cover her a$$. She ruined his permanent record because the alleged attack followed him for 3 years...finally, an advocate did his homework, found out the teacher had been fired for physical abuse, looked up the teacher's aide and got the full story of what happened that day. He brought the teacher's aide to a hearing for my son where she told the whole story of what had happened and how the former teacher had admitted to her that she intended to make up "a story" so that my son would be expelled. Maybe I'm paranoid...or maybe I just learned...if it was my child, I'd sit down with the principal and tell the whole story...I'd demand my child be moved to another classroom. If I didn't get satisfaction that way, I'd go to the school board...personally, if that didn't work, I'd homeschool...but if that's the route you take, be prepared for the homeschool....I've had to do it 9 years out of the last 10 because of crappy teachers like that...teachers who punished my dyslexic child for writing her numbers backward....teachers who took pleasure in scaring the snot out of my child with a panic disorder, and then punishing him for being afraid...teachers who wouldn't let my epileptic son go to the nurse when he felt a seizure coming on and then punished him for "not paying attention"...it's called an absence seizure.... I hear people complaining about the decline of basic human morality in this country...things like accountability, integrity, respect for others, honesty, fairness, basic courtesy....the thing is...it's not just lacking in the public at large, it's lacking in our teachers, too. The teachers we have now are not the teachers we had 30 years ago. This is a whole new breed of teachers...teachers who want the respect due to a teacher without being the kind of role models that earned that respect for the profession in the first place. In my opinion, if they want the respect of the teachers from 30 years ago, they need to MEASURE UP to the teachers of 30 years ago...and they just....don't. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by aubmari on Oct 5th, 2007, 3:13pm My sister just got off of the phone with the principal and apparently he suggested that my sister discuss what happened with the teacher and that he will follow up with the teacher at a later date. [smiley=huh.gif] So now it is her job to straighten this out? He did inform her that his teacher has been sick this week and this may have contributed to what happened. In response, my sister said " we all get sick... does that excuse bad behavior?" He then said that he was really suprised to hear this because just last week both of his teachers were talking very highly about him at the that they suggested that he be moved to a higher class in his reading group???? I guess she is going to attempt to talk to the teacher when she picks him up today after school. Hopefully things work out :-[ Aubmari |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Rosybabe on Oct 5th, 2007, 3:15pm Could not say it better Herblady. Hugs Rosy. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Rosybabe on Oct 5th, 2007, 3:18pm on 10/05/07 at 15:13:48, aubmari wrote:
I heard that before ::)...always excuses for "their adult behavior"... |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by HerbLady on Oct 5th, 2007, 3:22pm I had one more thing I wanted to say.... When I was in college, I took a course in human growth and development. During this course, the professor said something that has stuck with me. He said...in every relationship between a child and an adult, there is an unspoken contract. This contract governs the physical contact between the adult and the child. The limits of the contract define the limits of those physical interactions. The parent/child contract goes further than the basic authority figure/child contract, which goes further than the stranger/child contract. Our children use these contracts to help them know what to expect from the adults around them. The terms of the contract are understood by the child based on what they are told, what they have seen, and what society has given them to expect. When a contract is violated by the adult participant, it causes psychological harm to the child. This harm is what we mean when we use the term "abuse." Contrary to common usage, abuse is not the action, but rather the harm that is caused by it. The child in question had come to understand that teachers do NOT touch students. He had not seen corporal punishment, and if he'd heard of it, it most likely was only in the context of "they don't do this anymore"...therefore, he had come to expect that his contract with his teacher included a "do not touch clause"...which she violated. Based on this definition, the teachers action was abusive. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Charlie on Oct 5th, 2007, 5:34pm Let the teach have a piece of your mind. I'm old school I guess. My 4th grade teacher dragged me across the room....hurt too...and plopped me in my seat because I was really being a little shit. It worked but she avoided me like the plague and to this day, I'm not sure if she hated me or was afraid what might have happened. I know my parents would be on her side......Bear in mind that this was 1954. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! LAST UPDATE Post by aubmari on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:18pm My sister went and met with his teacher and she stated that she didn't flick him in the ear but that she has "tendon problems" and that she was only trying to turn his head around. ::) So her explanation was Sorry just an arm spasm. [smiley=huh.gif] Who knows really. Thanks to all of you for listening to my rant!! Aub |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Lotus on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:41pm Bit late here but if this is my son I would make an appointment to see both the principal and the teacher with my son present, just to get the story straight. Both kids and adults can lie to cover their asses but they are less likely to do so when confronted directly in front of others. Firstly I would apologise to all for not having taken enough initiative in teaching my own son about respect so that he doesnt talk when he is not supposed to. Then I would ask my son to apologise to the teacher for being repeatedly disobedient in class and in assembly by talking when he knew full well that he shouldnt. Next I will ask the teacher to apologise again to my son for losing her cool and hitting him, which she also knows full well she shouldnt. I would ask the principal to be witness to this. Lastly I would thank everyone for stepping up and accepting responsibility for their own actions. At home I would sit down with my son and stress to him that although his teacher was wrong for hitting him, it would not have happened if he had not talked when he was not supposed to. I would explain to him that talking in class and during assembly prevent others from being able to hear what is being taught/said and that is very rude. I would tell him that if he gets another "re focus " card again I would smack him myself and boy will that hurt worse than being smacked by another teacher ! Annette PS: I hate adults who talk in the movies, I would love to be able to smack them around the ears many times too :P |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by PollyPocket on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:48pm I grew up with teachers dragging me by my hair or ears, and jr. high the principal had his own paddle. My dad told the jr high principal that if there was ever a prob, he wasn't the principal's job to discipline, it was his. And I was more afraid of my dad's belt, believe me! I know that a lot of parents don't do any sort of disciplining and it sure shows in kids now, but I sure as hell DON'T believe that anyone has a right to physically discipline another person's child. Adding this: there was a little boy of about 7 in the store, little hellion, running around, screaming and totally disruptive while his mom was talking to one of the owners about a pool. I could hear his screaming from my office and after about a 1/2 hour of this nonsense, I went out onto the floor with crayons and paper. Made him and his sister sit down and draw. He kept right on screaming everything he said till I loudly went, "SHH!" His eyes welled up with tears cuz apparently noone had shushed him before. I IMMEDIATELY told him sternly but gently, "you won't cry". Know what? he nodded yes and began to happily draw. |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by Lotus on Oct 5th, 2007, 6:55pm on 10/05/07 at 18:48:26, PollyPocket wrote:
I beg to differ here. Kids NEED to be disciplined. If the parents dont do it then someone should. Otherwise that kid will grow up and one day be disciplined by the police. Or worse yet that kid will get disciplined by life itself. Life lessons are much harder to take than class lessons. Annette |
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Title: Re: Need advice please!!! Post by cash5542 on Oct 5th, 2007, 7:49pm I don't know where to start. I am an art teacher and have been teaching 28 years. Because of my area I see more kids than the average teacher and have been involved with more parents, teachers and principals. I began teaching in 1980 after student teaching in the Virginia Juvenile corrections. Those boys behaved because of fear of severe consequences. In my first public school job we were not allowed to touch our kids in any way, however principals not only paddled but required the referring teacher to witness. You might as well have hit me! Kids not only behaved but were totally silent when a principal walked into a room. If I called a parent, the conversation was quick and usually ended with "I'll take care of the problem" and they did! Today we blame everyone! Lots of kids are good and so are their parents and teachers. We seem to focus on what's wrong and not right. Over 35% of our teachers mentor a student. I also teach in a magnet school and intelligence and grades are irrelevant to talking in class. It is my and many of my colleagues biggest problem. Kids need to be quiet and listen politely to assemblies, instructions, and any time they are being told to. As far as consequences to the teacher, I think Annette said it perfectly. Put everyone in the same room. It's amazing how clear stories get when it's like this. If you want to be sure it won't happen again ask to have the incident documented and put in the teachers file. And about football, let him play! Kids need activity. Active kids are better in school. The activity happened at school and if it's not a reoccuring thing there are lots of options like after school detention and recess that are more appropriate. Sorry if this is so long winded. I'm just tired of a few bad teachers making us all look bad. Many put their hearts and soles into their jobs. I appreciate the support many of you gave to teachers trying to do their jobs! Charlotte |
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