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(Message started by: UN solved on Sep 13^th, 2007, 6:16pm)

Title: Trespassers !
Post by UN solved on Sep 13^th, 2007, 6:16pm

I caught 2 individuals leering in my windows this morning at 3:30 am, they were trying to gain entry. I know both of these people. Things could've turned out very badly (for them), but I let them leave unharmed, but I'm sure frightened.

If this happens again, it might turn ugly. I've already tracked their 'residence' down and I'm having the ISP serve a 'no trespass' order.

Wonder how much 'force' I can legally use to prevent, or protect, my home and personal property.

I do feel that they might come back ... and I'm prepared for such an event. I'm not so sure that they realize how far they can 'push me'. I will NOT let them come into my home or take my things from my vehicles or property.

Any thoughts ? I know a few of you are police or retired police ... what say you ??

Thanks

UNsolved

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Jonny on Sep 13^th, 2007, 6:20pm

Shoot the fuckers! [smiley=bigguns.gif]

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Lotus on Sep 13^th, 2007, 6:21pm

Yikes Mike ! Thats scary ! I hate it when the safety of the home is threatened.

So you know these people? Do you know why they would be snooping around your house?

I think you can report the incidence to the police and the next time they turn up you call 911 straight away. I dont think you should physically face them though, they could be dangerous people and we dont want to see you hurt !

Please take care of yourself and I hope your head is getting better.

Hugs

Annette

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by midwestbeth on Sep 13^th, 2007, 6:23pm

Legally, it depends on the state laws.

I live in the country and if threatened I'd shoot em and sort the legal issues out later.

Beth

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by gore2424 on Sep 13^th, 2007, 6:32pm

sneak out and nail them with a baseball bat them go inside hide bat and call 911 and report people outside your house in need of medical attention Terry

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Karla on Sep 13^th, 2007, 7:27pm

I would report them to police and let them know what is going on. That way if they break in while you are not home you have it on record as to who has been nosing around your stuff.

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by BarbaraD on Sep 13^th, 2007, 7:47pm

Not a bad idea what Karla said - get it on record with their names and addresses.

But like Mid - I live in the country - we shoot and then call the Sherrif and he cleans up the mess.

Check your state and local laws... and if you shoot them - put a pipe or something in their hand before you call the police -- that way you FELT threatened. (Like you don't already).

Hugs BD

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by phil_h on Sep 13^th, 2007, 7:59pm

Report it to police now....... If something more occurs it will be clear that you didn't do enough .. I'd ask the PD to visit them , so these trespassers are aware the PD will look to them immediately if anything happens.... Anyway maybe other things have happened the PD might want to talk to them about.... phil h

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by UN solved on Sep 13^th, 2007, 8:03pm

Thanks for all your replies :)

And yes, I know exactly why they came here ... TO RIP ME OFF ! To find something to sell for their crack habit >:(

I'll not contribute a penny to anyone's drug habit !!

UNsolved

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Paul98 on Sep 13^th, 2007, 8:04pm

Shoot them and make sure they, blood and guts landinside the door ;)

Since you know who they are tell the police like Karla said so it io record. Be sure to get a copy ot the report!

-P.

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by UN solved on Sep 13^th, 2007, 8:17pm

This morning I was told by CPD that I had to have their address so they could serve a 'no trepass' order ? I got their address. After reading the above comments, I did call the CPD back with the info they requested. Now they say they won't serve any order nor will they come to my house and take a report. The officer said it was too late, that I should've done it right away ???? WTF ?? ( I did call right after they left). The officer said since I've already told the perps to stay away, call them back if they come back and they'll come and get them.

Too late to make a report ??? [smiley=huh.gif] That's BS !!

UNsolved

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Kevin_M on Sep 13^th, 2007, 8:27pm

on 09/13/07 at 19:59:45, phil_h wrote:

That is ALL good advice Phil. Drawing police attention to themselves or their lifestyle would not be what they want.

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Jonny on Sep 13^th, 2007, 8:27pm

on 09/13/07 at 20:17:19, UN solved wrote:

call them back if they come back and they'll come and get them.

Ha ha, too late....they are dead!

Thats how it would go at my house!

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Charlie on Sep 13^th, 2007, 8:31pm

Tell the cops so when they come to investigate why you buried them, they will understand.

Karla is right.

Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/GOOD NIGHT GRAVE.gif

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Rosybabe on Sep 13^th, 2007, 9:09pm

It is never late to make a report, go to the Police Department and place the report. They HAVE to write down the report and then give you a file number. The Police Officer who talked to you was just giving crap

...I have placed so many reports since I live here...people picking in my trucks and people picking in my neighboors backyard! not to mention they have broken into my truck and broken my Van's back window 6 times!!!...and there is also eggs in my trucks and paintballs....Police already know me and my husband by first name >:(

You go and hunt those crooks!!

Rosy.

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by chewy on Sep 13^th, 2007, 9:22pm

You dont have to shoot to kill.

12 guage blast in the nuts with some birdshot will get their attention for many years to come.

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by catlind on Sep 13^th, 2007, 9:34pm

Post your own No Trespassing signs, in some states that's enough to have it considered 'posted and served'.
Keep a log of everything you've done and the times you've called the police.

When they return, and you would, I imagine, feel that much MORE threatened because the police don't want to get involved....use necessary force.

Cat

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Kingjames1 on Sep 13^th, 2007, 9:51pm

Mike, I'm confused. Didn't you say in your original post that you tracked thier residence down and were having the ISP(Indiana State Police) serve a no trespass order?

Then later on, you "got thier address" for the CPD. I'm not following.

I may be in the minority, but I don't think you should shoot anybody right now.

File the reports, you know the perps, should work out well for you without killing people.

KJ

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by LadyElaine1 on Sep 13^th, 2007, 10:21pm

I just put up two video cams on my property. I can watch them on my computer. Record when I leave. We had some things taken from our shed last week.
At least I will find out who it is with the cam.
Its getting scary everywhere.

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by andrewjb on Sep 13^th, 2007, 10:33pm

on 09/13/07 at 21:22:26, chewy wrote:

You dont have to shoot to kill.

12 guage blast in the nuts with some birdshot will get their attention for many years to come.

i like this idea, only thing is theyed need feeding for the rest of their lives. andrew.

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by assaultme on Sep 13^th, 2007, 11:05pm

My opinion or voice of reason is this:

First of all, I know no ones house that is better armed than my humble abode. Anything from Thompson sub gun to shotguns, plenty of combat handgun practice and plenty of ammo. Not bragging, just trying to give you an idea where I am coming from. So, I am a big believer in the truth that it is your responsibility to protect yourself...cause the Gooberment wont do it for you.

We are men, we don't go hide in a safe room or cower like sissies.

Truth is tho, it isn't always as easy as blast em then ask questions. In my chicken shit state, if the person outside isn't putting you in actual danger of great bodily harm or death, you cant even shoot em. Even if they manage to get in, you can only blast them if it is "reasonable" to believe you are in danger. What does that really mean? Well, who really knows what can happen in court.

My "personal" opinion....if anyone sneaks around my house, I shouldn't need johnny law to give me permission to put a .223 in their eye ball. Why should I?
Worrying about some criminals rights is exactly what the above paragraph does (thanks to candayass lawmakers)...and damn sure he wont be worrying about yours & your families rights !!!
There is nothing more frustrating than having to obey the law when your adversary doesn't. I think I am pretty clear to say that if it happens to me, the attacker WILL have a weapon on him ;;D See what I'm sayin' ?

Point is, no one can tell you exactly what to do. It is up to you to know your laws, involve The Police and cover your ass legally.

It's quite obvious to me that everyone here feels the way I do about criminals and how to deal with them.
I am just saying to be careful and cover your own ass legally. If you think about what you are doing, you can get results with less hassle and the criminal can have a very, very bad day ;)

Cheers, Dave

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by UN solved on Sep 14^th, 2007, 1:07am

on 09/13/07 at 21:51:42, Kingjames1 wrote:

To clear this up for you:

The first phone call was to the Clarksville Police Department who said that since the perps live 30 miles away in another county (Ramsey, IN) ... I would have to get the address and they (CPD) would have the ISP go serve the no trespass order. The second phone call was also to the CPD, who then stated they would have no such order served and they wouldn't come out for a report either. They just want me to call if I catch the perps outside looking into my windows, stealing, or trying to get in.

So, I have to wait until something happens before they'll do anything >:(

Hope that clears it up for ya

I don't plan on shooting anybody (ever) , but the SKS and 9mm's are locked and loaded for awhile to come !

UNsolved

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Sep 14^th, 2007, 1:44am

There was a story about an old man who kept getting robbed. The robber kept going right through the back door.
So, one day the old man set up a shotgun to go off when the back door was opened. The robber was shot and killed when he broke into the house for the last time.
The old man was found guilty of using excessive force: You can not shoot someone unless there is an immediate threat to your life or your family. In Oregon, You are not legally allowed to shoot to protect your home or belongings, only your life or your family.

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Mosaicwench on Sep 14^th, 2007, 8:11am

I'm glad someone cleared up the ISP thing . . I couldn't figure out why your Internet Service Provider would issue a No Trespass order . . . .

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by assaultme on Sep 14^th, 2007, 5:01pm

on 09/14/07 at 01:44:00, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:

Hear about the guy in Chicago who electrified his store ceiling? Kept getting burgled...guy broke in & got smoked. They prosecuted him for booby trap.

My friend has 2 Boxers in the house. Some dirtbag broke in and the dogs bit him several times. He was arrested for burglary, but sued my friend's insurance company...and won !!!

Thats why I urge caution. To me? I couldn't care less if some crack head gets jolted or eaten by dogs. It's natural selection as far as I am concerned.

I heard one just lately. A guy who was fired for not showing up to work or whatever, decided to come back and steal all the tools.
The genius cut a hole in the roof (30 ft. up) and just like a cartoon, he cut the hole around himself and plummeted to the concrete. He sued and won compensation.

Endless amount of these things happen and people are compensated for committing a stupid criminal act.
It is idiotic.

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by Charlie on Sep 14^th, 2007, 10:18pm

Quote:

First of all, I know no ones house that is better armed than my humble abode. Anything from Thompson sub gun to shotguns, plenty of combat handgun practice and plenty of ammo.

What? No Fifty Caliber?
Weenie. :D

Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/hunter.gif

Title: Re: Trespassers !
Post by assaultme on Sep 14^th, 2007, 10:38pm

Nope Charlie....I'm a lightweight. [smiley=laugh.gif]

I like the 50, but they cost so much to own. I like benchrest targets with my Colt MT6700 match target rifle. You know, same as ar-15, but accurized some. Quality rounds of ballistic tip boattail for it aren't real cheap, but the 50's are really expensive.

Some who collect spend tons of cash on ammo alone.
Every year at Knob Creek there is a full auto shoot and show/swap meet. It is really amazing some of the stuff the big dollar guys have. M-60's, Browning M 2's, WWII stuff, things I've never even seen before. They do exhibitions and shoot thousands of rounds a day. I can't imagine how much it costs them to own & fire them.

I have too many interests or hobbies to have one of everything. But yeah, I enjoy it a bunch. I'd imagine a 50 wouldn't even fit in my gun safe. I keep everything locked in a good safe. I don't leave anything out where it could be stolen easily or handled by the wrong person. a 50?....maybe someday.
Cheers, Dave