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(Message started by: barry_sword on Aug 19^th, 2007, 7:44am)

Title: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by barry_sword on Aug 19^th, 2007, 7:44am

We just bought this program yesterday mainly because Angie wanted a better movie maker than our current one "windows movie maker" that came with our computer. This new program also came with Adobe Photoshop. We paid $199.99 + tax, did we do ok?

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b7d638b3127cceba19d26b097000000026101AZtGrZu5asU

From what we have seen that this a far better program than we had for movie making plus we got a better pic fixer and organizer than our current Coral phot album

I thought this would be a good place to ask about this stuff as you's have used it. We drove out of town to get the improved movie maker and thought the Photshop was a good bonus.

Now, who wants to come here and show Angie and me how to use it? [smiley=laugh.gif] (JK)

Thanks, Barry

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by UN solved on Aug 19^th, 2007, 12:06pm

I thought Photoshop Elements was an 'add-on' program or an upgrade to regular Photoshop.

Photoshop is a great program, if you know how to use it. My son uses it but I know very little about it.

It must be a huge program, because they had more than one class @ Indiana University teaching how to use Photoshop.

Just guessing here --> but I think the photoshop program may be as much as $500 - $700.

Have fun with it ! It's definatley a good program

PF Wishes

UNsolved

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by ClusterChris on Aug 19^th, 2007, 1:26pm

if you want to save the $200 let me know, I can mail ya burnt copies for free. ;;D

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by UN solved on Aug 19^th, 2007, 2:21pm

on 08/19/07 at 13:26:59, ClusterChris wrote:

if you want to save the $200 let me know, I can mail ya burnt copies for free. ;;D

You can get those programs free from 'file sharing' programs / websites like BitTorrent, Lamewire, and Frostwire. Many times you'll have to install the 'crack' to get it to work. If it's not done right, it'll never work. I expect them to put in a validation procedure soon to programs like Photoshop to stop ppl from 'sharing' these programs. Right now, it will work though ... don't ask how I know ::)

UNsolved

PS. There are TONS of tutorials for Photoshop on the web. Like I said, it's a HUGE program that you can do tons of stuff with.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by rolo65 on Aug 19^th, 2007, 2:54pm

on 08/19/07 at 13:26:59, ClusterChris wrote:

if you want to save the $200 let me know, I can mail ya burnt copies for free. ;;D

Hmm, I thought that was called intellectual property theft.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by Jonny on Aug 19^th, 2007, 3:04pm

on 08/19/07 at 14:54:17, rolo65 wrote:

Hmm, I thought that was called intellectual property theft.

Are you the internet police or just offering your thought?

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by ClusterChris on Aug 19^th, 2007, 7:03pm

Quote:

Hmm, I thought that was called intellectual property theft.

I just love this place. Even when I try to offer somebody help, Somebody has to stir shit up about it.

Get a life.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by tanner on Aug 19^th, 2007, 7:13pm

"Hmm, I thought that was called intellectual property theft."

" Are you the internet police or just offering your thought?"

" I just love this place. Even when I try to offer somebody help, Somebody has to stir shit up about it.

Get a life."

Hmmmmm. I am all over the place on this one ::)

Somebody stole my intellect and I didn't get paid sheeeeit for it ;;D....and I'm pissed.

Now play nice kids, it's Sunday.....I think [smiley=huh.gif]

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by Brewcrew on Aug 19^th, 2007, 7:51pm

It's the equivalent of burning copies of a musical album for a friend. It's the avoidance of paying the purchase price, which is split between all the parties that have a financial interest.

It is NOT stirring up shit. It is theft, plain and simple.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by ClusterChris on Aug 19^th, 2007, 7:57pm

and shrooms are illegal to do, now go on and post to everyone doing shrooms that its illegal!

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by Brewcrew on Aug 19^th, 2007, 8:01pm

I'm pretty sure they know that already.

You wanna break the law? You go right ahead. But don't tell me that it's okay because everybody else does it. Moral relativism is garbage. Either hold yourself to a standard or don't. But don't tell me that it's or okay to cheat copyright holders out of what they are morally and legally entitled to.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by ClusterChris on Aug 19^th, 2007, 8:05pm

OK Barry,

I have a copy of photoshop That I have apperently "STOLEN". If you would like me to send you a copy of it just drop me an e-mail. But be warned you must now be called a theif also.

Seems like nomatter what I say or do here, the same people are going to follow me around and cause shit. So i will end this now.

Drop me an e-mail barry! Take Care
Chris

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by Brewcrew on Aug 19^th, 2007, 8:12pm

Call it what you want. You're god damned right I'm gonna follow you around if you're going to advise people to steal stuff.

If you stole your copy, you're a thief. If Barry takes a stolen copy from you, he's a thief, too.

It's pretty black and white. I'm not a cop, so I'm not going to bust you. But I do like to know what I'm dealing with. And now I know what I'm dealing with when I'm dealing with the likes of you.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by ClusterChris on Aug 19^th, 2007, 8:21pm

Quote:

You're god damned right I'm gonna follow you around if you're going to advise people to steal stuff.

Plain and simple, your a fuckin idiot! Show me where I advise people to steal. Either get your facts straight or shut the hell up!

I gotta go steal some more.
Chris a.k.a Thief!

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by Brewcrew on Aug 19^th, 2007, 8:23pm

on 08/19/07 at 13:26:59, ClusterChris wrote:

if you want to save the $200 let me know, I can mail ya burnt copies for free. ;;D

How 'bout this?

You might want to get your facts straight.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by rolo65 on Aug 19^th, 2007, 8:25pm

on 08/19/07 at 15:04:03, Jonny wrote:

Are you the internet police or just offering your thought?

No I'm not the internet police! I'm just expressing my moral line in the sand. :-/

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by john_d on Aug 19^th, 2007, 8:46pm

on 08/19/07 at 20:21:36, ClusterChris wrote:

Plain and simple, your a fuckin idiot! Show me where I advise people to steal. Either get your facts straight or shut the hell up!

I gotta go steal some more.
Chris a.k.a Thief!

For being wrong, you sure are insulting. How do you figure that's not stealing?

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by Charlie on Aug 19^th, 2007, 9:46pm

When I work on my photos here, it's still March 2004. My Jasc Photoshop still works back then. 8)

Charlie

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by ClusterChris on Aug 19^th, 2007, 9:50pm

FYI that was asking a question, not advising! ::)

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by ClusterChris on Aug 19^th, 2007, 9:55pm

actually i guess it wasn't really in question form,(before you jump all over that too) I offered him something, in no way did I advise anything. I was actually trying to help somebody, you on the other hand are just trying to stir shit up for no good reason! you coming in here and calling me a thief is just to stir up shit, This isn't what this site needs nor was it what this post was about. If this is what it takes to make you feel like a better person then I am glad I could help you too. Have a nice night!

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by phil_h on Aug 19^th, 2007, 9:55pm

Kind of edgey , angry , judgemental , self-justifying thread........ judgements are alot like opinions , everyone has one .....I hope this is just a symptom of the unbearable pain that's shared by all...if not , lighten up....phil h

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by Brewcrew on Aug 19^th, 2007, 9:58pm

No, it was an "if, then" statement. Questions end with a question mark.

Your compromised ethics and your piss-poor attempts to cover your tracks disgust me.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by Brewcrew on Aug 19^th, 2007, 10:00pm

on 08/19/07 at 21:55:12, ClusterChris wrote:

STFU. You are completely blind to your own inadequacy. I'm stirring nothing up. I'm calling you on being a slug, because that's what you are.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by jimmers on Aug 19^th, 2007, 10:01pm

How about them Packers?

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by Brewcrew on Aug 19^th, 2007, 10:02pm

on 08/19/07 at 21:55:15, phil_h wrote:

Sorry, phil. I will always call a spade a spade.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by rolo65 on Aug 19^th, 2007, 10:23pm

on 08/19/07 at 19:57:18, ClusterChris wrote:

and shrooms are illegal to do, now go on and post to everyone doing shrooms that its illegal!

Or better yet, post thier PM's on the board for all to see. ::)

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by MR_FLOOR on Aug 19^th, 2007, 10:29pm

on 08/19/07 at 22:01:58, jimmers wrote:

How about them Packers?

How about those Cubbies ;;D

Dave

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by ClusterChris on Aug 19^th, 2007, 11:17pm

Go Bills!

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?..
Post by totka2 on Aug 19^th, 2007, 11:28pm

If you "get-for-free" a $ 1000 notebook, you are a f@cking evil-doer.
If you download programs (worth $ 1000) from BitTorrent no problem.
I don't understand it! :P

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by 1stdonna on Aug 19^th, 2007, 11:29pm

Imagine a software developer spends a great deal of time, effort and money to develop a new program that is useful. Someone buys the first copy in a store and posts it on the internet.....free for all. Everyone gets the free copy. After all, it's free! The software developer makes no profit. Doesn't even break even and either stops writing new programs or raises his prices for the honest people and puts in all kinds of annoying little tricks to make it harder for people to get away with stealing.

Thank the thieves, next time you have to swap CD's just to start a new program on your computer...a program that requires the original disk in the CD drive, just to run.

If stealing of intellectual property becomes to pervasive and unstoppable, creating the intellectual property will no longer be profitable and new intellectual property will not even get the chance to exist. Then we'll all be missing out. Even the thieves.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by purpleydog on Aug 19^th, 2007, 11:48pm

There are people who write programs, for example, similar to photoshop, and you can get them for free. It's called open source. Go to http://freshmeat.net or http://sourceforge.net.

These programs are free, and if you read up on them, the writer of the program may ask for a donation for his time, but these programs are written so people can download them for free, that's the whole point. They feel you shouldn't have to shell out a bunch of cash for programs. Such as Microsoft Office 2003- 2007. http://openoffice.org.

But, if yer gonna offer a burnt copy of a licensed product, it's a good idea to not be public about it. And if you do get a burnt copy, that means you need a copy of a license. Which means generating one. And these websites are full of virii, malware and spyware. Consider these facts.

If you got photoshop, and photoshop elements for $199, then that's a pretty good deal. Although "elements" has been piggy backed onto several other programs you can download. And you can get a shorter smaller version of photoshop for free from the website, but it doesn't have all the features of the one you got. Just be sure to RTFM, and you'll learn it in no time.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by 1stdonna on Aug 20^th, 2007, 12:18am

My son is a software developer who works mighty hard for many months to write a good program and copyright it.

Would you like to work months for reduced pay? Would you increase your sale price? Would your customers quit buying...because they can get your product "free"?

Enough said about my sentiments.

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by barry_sword on Aug 20^th, 2007, 12:33am

I am one that buys my CD's from a store and my programs from stores like Staples. I do not like to get "burned copies" of anything. I get offered all the time from friends who offer these free copies. I choose to pay for my stuff. That's just me.

Besides, I get a manual with the store bought copy and some warranty to boot. [smiley=laugh.gif]

I take it that it was a good deal and I saw Photoshop Pro for $699.00 but the version I got is a big step up from what I had.

So I guess it was a good deal, original question.

Thank you everyone,

Barry :)

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by artonio7 on Aug 20^th, 2007, 12:33am

on 08/20/07 at 00:18:01, 1stdonna wrote:

Ever hear of anyone making a cassette recording of a song playing on the radio, then copying the cassette and giving it to a friend?

I guess it's all theft when it's handled that way.. I mean after all some artist is not getting paid for their work... and how about all these garage bands? Do you really think these darn kids ;;D are paying royalties to the song writers and artists for "doing a tribute" to them while making their first fifty bucks? I don't know.... theft is a terrible thing any way you look at it.

with warm regards,
Tony

Title: Re: Good Deal Or Not?
Post by ClusterChris on Aug 20^th, 2007, 2:52am

[smiley=laugh.gif]