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(Message started by: MR_FLOOR on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:52pm)
Title: No Smoking
Post by MR_FLOOR on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:52pm
Thanks to our wonderful governor Rod Blowabitch as of jan 1st there is no more smoking in any public place including casinos,bars,and the worst one for me my beloved bowling alley.Looks like the end of my bowling career.I can deal with the restaurants and public places ect.but bowling alleys,common.




Dave  
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Jonny on Jul 25th, 2007, 8:54pm
Welcome to the rest of the country, its been law in Mass for years.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:04pm
Next will be your car.

Then your home.

But don't worry - the government is more addicted to the tax revenue than you are to nicotine.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:07pm
Its called the free market.
The government has the freedom to dictate how a restaurant or bowling alley does business and who they can have as customers.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Jonny on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:10pm

on 07/25/07 at 21:04:14, Brewcrew wrote:
Next will be your car.


thats already here, a cop can stop a car if they see someone smoking in a car with a child in it.....this is fatboy and lurch country, Baby!

And, they are already cracking down on condo owners that smoke upsets other owners.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Redd on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:12pm

on 07/25/07 at 21:04:14, Brewcrew wrote:
But don't worry - the government is more addicted to the tax revenue than you are to nicotine.


Amen and Blessed Be to that!  It's a bone of contension here in my county as the board refused to just go along with the state wide ban.  

2 times the county citizens have voted down a smoking ban referendum.  The consperacy theorists blame the tavern league.  Other side of the coin states the methodical reduction of citizen rights.  Then there is the arguements over who's got the "right" rights.  It's a muddles up mess.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:13pm
Then will be your cheeseburger.

Then hide the candy bars. Those will be next.

The government is always better able to make life decisions for you than you are.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:17pm
Here in Oregon you have to be 25 feet away from any entrance.....like at a restaurant or bowling alley.  Being outside isnt good enough, you also have to go more than 25 feet away from the entrance.

Bingo Halls and Fraternal Organizations are the only ones left who can smoke.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Redd on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:20pm
One of the "Breathe Free" folkas stated that it is "Governments duty to protect the public...et al)

Really?  I thought this was a free country?  I thought we had the inalienable rights to life liberty and persuit of happiness?  Sure as long as Government says it's ok?

Sorry, I just don't buy it.  My Happiness doesn't come with a price tag that lets the state raise the "sin" tax 1.25per pack of smokes.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:31pm
Here's my problem with all the no smoking laws (and watch the Libertarian in me come out now):

Tobacco is a legal product.

Bar and restaurant owners are private citizens who own private property.

It should be solely the decision of the owner of private property as to whether or not he or she allows the consumption of a legal product on his or her premesis.

If this doesn't work for all the feel-good, do-good politicians, then they should make tobacco illegal. They won't, because like I stated earlier, they are more addicted to the tax revenue than I am to nicotine.

So much for what used to be America.

It's now Amerika.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by nani on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:36pm

on 07/25/07 at 21:13:40, Brewcrew wrote:
Then hide the candy bars. Those will be next.



They're gonna have to pry my candy bar out of my cold, dead hands.    ;)
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by chewy on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:40pm
A few years back I was doing some intakes at a correctional facility. Went out to my car to have a butt and got surrounded by COs.

Threatened to write me a ticket and tow my car if I continued to smoke on site. One guy had a gut so big he hasn't seen his feet in years.

Apparantly twinkees are still allowed.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:48pm

on 07/25/07 at 21:40:06, chewy wrote:
Apparantly twinkees are still allowed.

Not for long, my friend. Trans fats.

Pretty soon all we'll be able to do is stand around and look at each other being miserable, no matter what our newly outlawed vice.

Until the government determines that standing around is bad for us.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Mosaicwench on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:49pm
Honest to God,  I remember when you could smoke in the hospital.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Racer1_NC on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:55pm

on 07/25/07 at 21:31:47, Brewcrew wrote:
....(and watch the Libertarian in me come out now):
........


Once upon a time they called people that think like you (and I)........ Americans. I still do.

It's a shame we are now stuck with the label of a weak third party.

Never fired a shot.......we were warned.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by sldrswyfe on Jul 25th, 2007, 10:09pm
http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/light_skin/smoke.gif
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 25th, 2007, 10:48pm

on 07/25/07 at 21:49:04, Mosaicwench wrote:
Honest to God,  I remember when you could smoke in the hospital.



Thats funny stuff right there.

Then, when there used to be designated smoking areas, people freaked out.  Nowadays a designated smoking area is probably against the law.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Jimi on Jul 25th, 2007, 11:07pm
Move on down here to Kentucky. We will be the last of the states to bend. We make our living selling burley and dark tobacco. Although I think Lexington and Louisville have already passed a couple of your laws.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Charlie on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:06am
The thing about the no smoking laws is that the percentage of smokers is dropping rapidly and that it's also because that among legislators, the percentage is even less. If I remember, the national percentage of smokers is about 20%....that's getting lower all the time.

Frankly, I'm not all that worried about second-hand smoke but I never tell people that because then I don't have to explain why I don't let it in the house. Guilt works for us.  :D

If we were to time travel back to the 1950s, we'd have to put up with smoking everywhere. Doctors offices, drug and grocery stores, theaters, everyone's livingroom, Greyhound buses, airplanes, and hospitals....my retired nurse aunt smoked on the job.  

Non-smokers were the oddballs when I was a kid. My dad had 18 employees at our parts stores....17 of them, including me, smoked.

Charlie
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by MR_FLOOR on Jul 26th, 2007, 2:56am

on 07/25/07 at 21:31:47, Brewcrew wrote:
Tobacco is a legal product.

Bar and restaurant owners are private citizens who own private property.

It should be solely the decision of the owner of private property as to whether or not he or she allows the consumption of a legal product on his or her premesis.

This is what I don't understand.Private property.Is there a such thing as private property any more.Think of the impact this is going to have on Casinos in IL,I live 1 hour away from Indiana ,do they really think I would go to Joilet  or Aroura to Gamble when I could go to Indiana and smoke up.This stupid Governor (blowabitch)is going to lose millions in tax dollars.Oh thats right just raise the price of cigs.  
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by ClusterChuck on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:10am

on 07/25/07 at 21:17:25, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Here in Oregon you have to be 25 feet away from any entrance.....like at a restaurant or bowling alley.  Being outside isnt good enough, you also have to go more than 25 feet away from the entrance.


I know I am gonna get some heat for this, even as a heavy smoker, but I happen to agree with this law.  Many times, I have noticed the HUGE cloud of smoke at the door to a place, because of all the smokers.  NO one, smokers included, need to plow through that heavy cloud, in order to leave a facility.

25 feet is not unreasonable.

Chuck
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:17am

on 07/26/07 at 03:10:34, ClusterChuck wrote:
I know I am gonna get some heat for this, even as a heavy smoker, but I happen to agree with this law.  Many times, I have noticed the HUGE cloud of smoke at the door to a place, because of all the smokers.  NO one, smokers included, need to plow through that heavy cloud, in order to leave a facility.

25 feet is not unreasonable.

Chuck

On private property it is.

It should be however many feet - zero or a million - the owner says it is. Remember, we're talking about a legal product being consumed on private property.

Public property is a completely different story.

How's that for taking some heat? You radical, you. ;;D
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by BarbaraD on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:42am

on 07/26/07 at 07:17:58, Brewcrew wrote:
On private property it is.

It should be however many feet - zero or a million - the owner says it is. Remember, we're talking about a legal product being consumed on private property.

Public property is a completely different story.

How's that for taking some heat? You radical, you. ;;D


I agree. When I had my office in Gladewater - I HELD the DEED and NO ONE told ME who could do anything in MY place. The city passed their little ordiance and MY place went on business as usual. I dared them to tell me anything different - my attorney had the paperwork ready to challenge that little ordaniance (and he doesn't smoke). It's just NOT right and people SHOULD challenge it. PRIVATE property is PRIVATE property and until they change the constitution that's the way it should remain. The OWNER should have the last word NOT the government!

And for my part, I'd rather see a $1.25 tax on sugar than on nicotine. They'd make more money and maybe people would cut down on sugar -- it's worse for you than nicotine. check the diabeties stats. But people will eat their twinkies and get goo all over everything and then bitch about my smoking. I just don't see the difference.

Hugs BD
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:58am

on 07/26/07 at 07:42:22, BarbaraD wrote:
PRIVATE property is PRIVATE property and until they change the constitution that's the way it should remain. The OWNER should have the last word NOT the government!

Precisely, dear Barbara. It would take two-thirds of the states to ratify that, and I doubt the removal of such a fundamental right would be agreed to by so many. However, it is at least a possibility, and that's why I continue to practice my marksmanship. ;)

A move like that would cause the second American Revolution.

Despite it, the federal government continues to peck away at the body America - it's like we're being pecked to death by ducks. One here, one there, people say "no big deal." But get pecked a thousand times and you're dead. Well, we've been pecked about a dozen times in my lifetime, and dammit, it's starting to hurt a little.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Angie on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:02am
We have the no smoking laws here in Ontario. Ontario is SMOKE FREE.

My pet peeve. We sell cigs. in our store. Our cig sales have dropped by 70%. The Government claims that people are quiting smoking look at the statistics.

I beg to differ since all my customers that used to buy cigs now go to the reserve to buy. THEY DID NOT QUIT.

The government makes less revenue and the natives make a killing.

Government needs to dig their heads out of the sand or out of their ASS.

Sorry for the rant it is just frustrating.

Angie
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by deltadarlin on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:11am
Puts blindfold on before standing in front of the firing squad.

Pray tell, where is smoking listed as a *fundamental right*?

I do have a problem with the government telling a business what they can and cannot do within the confines of their business, just as I would have a *right* to take my business elsewhere.  If there's a lot of people smoking, I just don't get around them (if I'm outside, I stand away from the smoke, because it irritates my allergies now).

For the record, I'm an ex-smoker and I smoked for 30 some odd years before I quit.

Now, lets ban potppouri and people who bathe in perfume next (far more evil than cigarette smoke for triggering headaches).

'darlin
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by UN solved on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:31am

on 07/25/07 at 23:07:59, Jimi wrote:
Move on down here to Kentucky. We will be the last of the states to bend. We make our living selling burley and dark tobacco. Although I think Lexington and Louisville have already passed a couple of your laws.


That's right ... no more smoking in Louisville businesses, except for Churchill Downs ( They have TONS of cash so it must be okay to smoke there !   ::) )

Southern Indiana is following Louisville, and has already passed laws in Jeffersonville and now Clarksville is next. Plus, smokes just went up $1 per pack in Indiana.  >:(

UNsolved
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by seasonalboomer on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:33am
...I'm okay with this thread as long as no one uses an Elie Wiesel quote: "First they came for the ________........."


;;D
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by vig on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:41am
as one of the few non-smokers in CH-land, I'll toss in some balance....

I grew up around smokers: my parents, brother...

now that it's gone, it's fantastic.

Do you really have no idea how bad it is for a non-smoker in the midst of cigarettes?

I think you all have every right to smoke cigarettes,  even if it's dangerous.  Heck, I live in TobaccoLand and it's a great economic piece of our community... keep it up!

But you can't share it with others.  
I also know that most of you are very considerate when you smoke, but the few that don't care and light up at the table while others are eating, or in a confined space and pay no attention to where the smoke goes, ruins it for the rest of you.

& right on DeltaDarlin'...
it's time to go after perfume!
;;D

Hi CHuck, hope you're feeling better.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:17am
This is not a smoker's rights issue. It is a property owner's rights issue. I fully appreciate how second hand smoke irritates non-smokers. We both smoke, but will not allow smoking in our home - we go outside, and during a Wisconsin winter, that can be a real test sometimes.

If there is a market for non-smoking bars and restaurants, let the marketplace dictate it. Each and every bar owner and restaurant owner should be able to decide whether or not there will be smoking allowed.

If 75% of Americans are non-smokers, one would think there would be a great demand for it, no?
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by sandie99 on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:43am

on 07/26/07 at 09:41:11, vig wrote:
Do you really have no idea how bad it is for a non-smoker in the midst of cigarettes?

As your fellow non-smoker, I certainly do. :)

The smell of tobacco can trigger a hit for me, so when a guest comes to my house and wants to smoke, s/he must do that outside, no matter how good friend that someone is or what's the weather. I'm not taking any chances. My childhood home has been like that - my mum made dad to smoke outside the house, so eventually he quit smoking for good.

I bet that there's a Frechman out there who thinks of me as a bitch, because I didn't allow him to smoke at the university halls of residence kitchen (non-smoking kitchen in the non-smoking wing of a non-smoking halls of residence, hello!) while I was in cycle - and eating my lunch... ::)

I am glad that most of Finland is a non-smoking place right now. Most of the bars and restaurants are now smoke-free, which means more pleasant visits - I don't have to wonder if the place stocks up Red Bull or minds if I open my own can... ;;D

PF days to us all,
Sanna

Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by MR_FLOOR on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:49am
Why can't they have a dividing wall and the smoking room could have exhaust fans ect.They don't even give the bar and restaurant owners that option it's there way or no way. It's not as bad for people who live in warm climate states but for us cold climate states it sucks that we have to go outside in the dead of winter.Question.Do these laws apply to maritime law?If not we should open a bar and restaurant on boats and barges.I'm just talking shit cause I'm so pissed.



Dave  
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Rosybabe on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:55am
I am also one of those that smoke triggers a hit.

I had an experience now that I went to a trip to New Orleans, there was this guy smoking a big cigar and My husband was having my daughter paint by an artist at the Jackson square.

We were there first, he came later and there he was puffing and puffing to the point I could not handle it ( my head started to act goofy, a shadow maybe? I am out of cycle right now) and I told my husband I had to go for a walk.

After a few minutes I came back and the guy was gone. I said "Oh great!" but my husband told me he had asked him if he could stop smoking in front of his daughter, she did not need to breath the poison. The guy was not happy about it but his wife told him to better start walking.

Some smokers have no manners in front of non smokers. I think they should always ask if the smoke bothers and if it is ok to smoke in front of you or not.

Sorry Guys, but I rather not have a hit....
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 26th, 2007, 11:58am

on 07/26/07 at 11:49:09, MR_FLOOR wrote:
They don't even give the bar and restaurant owners that option it's there way or no way.

I told you before, it's because we're allowing America to be turned into Amerika.

This isn't about smoking. If it were, tobacco would be outlawed already. It's about the erosion of property owner's right.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by jimmers on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:07pm
I am a smoker of about a pack a day however I do not smoke in my house. I also do not smoke in anyone else's house either, even if they are smokers and say it is OK. It is just something I do not do.

I also do not like to sit in the "Smoking section" of a restaurant where I will be eating. Personal preference I guess.

But when I go to my favorite corner bar (Where no food is served) to have a few, I AM going to smoke! If I couldn't, then I guess I will not be going there anymore.

I see it this way. There are plenty of smoke free establishments for non-smokers to go to. I choose to not frequent these places because I smoke.

There are also plenty of establishments that do allow smoking and these places I will frequent because I do smoke.

My point is this. If you don't like smoke, go to a smoke free establishment. Can you imagine how many small corner bars would be out of business if they were smoke free? It should be left up to the individual business owners whether they allow smoking or not. I'm pretty sure that business owner knows where his income is coming from, be it smokers or not. If 90% of his clientele are smokers, that means so is 90 % of his income is coming from smokers. If anyone can survive on 10% of their current income please call me and tell me how you did it.

Whats next, people with larger vehicles can only drive in certain areas of the city because people with smaller vehicles shouldn't have to breath the exhaust from them? Gimme a friggen break.

Jimmers
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by MR_FLOOR on Jul 26th, 2007, 12:21pm

on 07/26/07 at 12:07:27, jimmers wrote:
I see it this way. There are plenty of smoke free establishments for non-smokers to go to. I choose to not frequent these places because I smoke.



Jimmers

I couldn't have said it better myself Jimmers



Dave
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Charlie on Jul 26th, 2007, 9:55pm

Quote:
Do you really have no idea how bad it is for a non-smoker in the midst of cigarettes?


It gets worse too. It's been 27 years since I took a drag and now I'm called that because of my ever-increasing aversion to tobacco. I didn't think it would get worse but it does. After only a few days after I quit, I rewashed everything I ever wore.  It was startling. Only if you quit will you have that unpleasant experience.

It's too effen expensive now in any case.

Charlie
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Redd on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:31pm
I understand, as a smoker, that non-smokers being around smoke is bothersome to many.  However....that being said.  

As of today...right now...many privately owned places of entertainment/dining allow smoking.  So as of today it is still a "right" to do so in the places where it is still legal/allowed.

Hence is the double edged sword of rights being "taken away".  Both from people who smoke, and from the business owners.

In addition to this is the matter of choice.  A non-smoker can choose to stay away from establishments that allow smoking.  Should they choose to go in anyway, be an adult and assume the known risks of going in.  It's called the right (and duty) to choose what is in your own best interest.   Smokers assume the risks by both smoking as well as going into an establishment that puts them in an environment of second hand smoke.  

The issues are not black and white, but involve individual rights, tempered with the right to choose, balanced by personal responsibility for the choices we make.

I mean no offence to anyone...this is strictly a discourse on the state of the world we live in.  
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by andrewjb on Jul 26th, 2007, 10:38pm

on 07/26/07 at 22:31:03, Redd wrote:
I understand, as a smoker, that non-smokers being around smoke is bothersome to many.  However....that being said.  

As of today...right now...many privately owned places of entertainment/dining allow smoking.  So as of today it is still a "right" to do so in the places where it is still legal/allowed.

Hence is the double edged sword of rights being "taken away".  Both from people who smoke, and from the business owners.

In addition to this is the matter of choice.  A non-smoker can choose to stay away from establishments that allow smoking.  Should they choose to go in anyway, be an adult and assume the known risks of going in.  It's called the right (and duty) to choose what is in your own best interest.   Smokers assume the risks by both smoking as well as going into an establishment that puts them in an environment of second hand smoke.  

The issues are not black and white, but involve individual rights, tempered with the right to choose, balanced by personal responsibility for the choices we make.

I mean no offence to anyone...this is strictly a discourse on the state of the world we live in.  

:). i could agree with your comments, entirly, if "they" would just stop it, with all the additives. we are not just satisfying a nicoteen hit.
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Woobie on Jul 27th, 2007, 2:29am
As a dealer at the casino in Elgin, I have to say that it'll be nice to work all night without smoke being blown into my face........

As a smoker.... this sucks.

Just another reason to quit, eh?

woobs :-*
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by MR_FLOOR on Jul 27th, 2007, 2:42am

on 07/27/07 at 02:29:12, Woobie wrote:
As a dealer at the casino in Elgin, I have to say that it'll be nice to work all night without smoke being blown into my face........

The problem is Woobie some of those gamblers will now being going to Indiana me included.




Dave
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Woobie on Jul 27th, 2007, 2:48am
I know - and that sucks..........

I heard, at one point, that they were trying to get it so that it would be allowed in casinos.  (but i dont know if they can or did - or if it was just a rumor)

Blowabitch is dependant on our revenue for his BRILLIANT ::) 70% tax he puts on us.... (DUMB ASS)... so he wants to keep us going... and - without the smokers, he wont get his money.

he's such a jackass!
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by MR_FLOOR on Jul 27th, 2007, 2:56am
Woobie,

     Do you know Steve Hartman.He is a freind of mine.



Dave
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Woobie on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:04am
Does he work at the Grand Victoria?  I havent heard the name........... but if he works days or something - i wouldn't know him.  I've been graveyard for 7 years.

smooch
woobs
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by MR_FLOOR on Jul 27th, 2007, 3:31am
Woobie,

          He's a pit boss I think he works nights.He is off tue and wed.Also do you know Jodie Lafferty she worked there about 4 years ago.She did work the graveyard shift.Shes my wifes best friend.




Dave
Title: : No Smoking
Post by 2late on Jul 27th, 2007, 10:46am
as far as smoking and everything else in life winners never quit!!.........Jack
Title: Re: No Smoking
Post by Woobie on Jul 27th, 2007, 7:04pm
Hey Dave...

Is steve the English guy?

oh hell

check your PMs... k?


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