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(Message started by: Gator on Jul 4^th, 2007, 3:28am)

Title: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Gator on Jul 4^th, 2007, 3:28am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287862,00.html

Quote:

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Fidelity National Information Services, a financial processing company, said Tuesday a worker at one of its subsidiaries stole 2.3 million consumer records containing credit card, bank account and other personal information.

Fidelity National Services is not related to Fidelity Investments, the nation's largest mutual fund company.

About 2.2 million records stolen from Certegy contained bank account information and 99,000 contained credit card information, company officials said.

"We believe that is the extent of any damage to the public," he said.

Certegy has asked a court in St. Petersburg to get back all the information from the employee and the marketing companies as well as to stop its use.

Certegy will notify all affected consumers of the theft and has contacted major credit agencies, Nichols said.

Nichols characterized him as a "rogue and dishonest employee." He said the company will seek civil penalties against the former worker and wants criminal charges filed against him.

The federal agency contacted the marketing companies to question the source of their information and determined it came from a company owned and operated by the Certegy employee. Nichols said he did not know how much money the employee received.

I love that line "We believe that is the extent of any damage to the public," Makes it sound like "No big deal. It was only 2.3 million bank and credit card records."

You gotta love the computer age. :-/

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by UN solved on Jul 4^th, 2007, 4:31am

It's BS Mike !! Companies that have information like this should somehow protect it better than they are !! They could start off by limiting access to this info, encrypting it so it can only be seen on their comps, or keylogging so that everyone who has access will be 'recorded' if they try to copy, duplicate, re-save it, or send it to another removable drive. There's got to be a better way of protecting it than the way their trying to do it now !!

Those stolen records could financially ruin some people !! The company should ultimately be held responsible and the employee who did this should go to prison ! ::)

UNsolved 8)

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by john_d on Jul 4^th, 2007, 8:39am

I read a more lengthy article on it yesterday and fortunately the info was just sold to marketing companies. His crime was circumventing his company and making the profit himself.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by purpleydog on Jul 4^th, 2007, 11:42am

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Certegy has asked a court in St. Petersburg to get back all the information from the employee and the marketing companies as well as to stop its use.

You've GOT to be kidding me.

This information is long sold, and someone(s) got it, and using it. This isn't like Your 8 year old sibling stealing your baseball cards, and mom/dad tells them to return them. This is the internet.

FYI. Whenever any of you, who shop, or give out your personal info online for whatever reason... be sure to read the fine print AND the privacy policy of the site you are dealing with, and OPT OUT, or unsubscribe from having your info traded, or passed on, or sold to any affiliate companies, or any company they they think will be able to supply you with products you'll like. This will protect your info somewhat, and keep your spam to a minimum.

Also, it's possible to get a one time use credit card # from the bank you have your credit card with. It's good for a certain amount of $, and a certain time frame. Check with your bank. This is a secure way to handle things. And one other thing... if you buy from a website often, don't save your credit card info on their site. Enter it every time. The site may be trustworthy enough, but it's only as secure as the time someone wants to take to get the info.

Info on the internet, or in someone's server is not impossible to get. You can only raise the level of difficulty to get it. If you get that phone call that your credit card info was stolen, call your bank immediately, and get a different card. My bank called me a few years ago, telling me they got notified by Visa International that someone had my card info, and tried to use it. At the time, I had only used it to purchase one thing online one time. They cancelled my card, and re-issued it. I was without it until the new card came, but it was well worth it.

Protect yourself as much as you can.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Gator on Jul 4^th, 2007, 11:43am

on 07/04/07 at 08:39:31, john_d wrote:

I read a more lengthy article on it yesterday and fortunately the info was just sold to marketing companies.

As far as they know, anyways. Why am I not comforted by this?

His crime was circumventing his company and making the profit himself.

So you think he did nothing wrong? [smiley=huh.gif]

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Lobster on Jul 4^th, 2007, 11:56am

My wife and I have a small stack of Fidelity accounts... Investment, IRAs, 529, Credit Card...

It pissed me off to read about that in the news. Not a single word from Fidelity on it.

The little prick needs to spend a decade or two in jail.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by john_d on Jul 4^th, 2007, 12:58pm

Gator, The alternative was him selling it to the mob. The fortunately part was relative to that.

on 07/04/07 at 11:43:27, Gator wrote:

So you think he did nothing wrong? [smiley=huh.gif]

Ok, so how the fuck did you read that exactly?

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by purpleydog on Jul 4^th, 2007, 1:07pm

on 07/04/07 at 08:39:31, john_d wrote:

I read a more lengthy article on it yesterday and fortunately the info was just sold to marketing companies. His crime was circumventing his company and making the profit himself.

His crime was stealing the info in the first place. The problem is, there aren't many laws concerning theft of data, etc...from companies, and then selling the info to whoever. Companies have policies, of course, but what's the result? Getting fired. So what, the damage is done.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Kevin_M on Jul 4^th, 2007, 1:35pm

on 07/04/07 at 11:56:37, Lobster wrote:

My wife and I have a small stack of Fidelity accounts... Investment, IRAs, 529, Credit Card...

401-K with Fidelity myself, but not the same.

Quote:

Fidelity National Services is not related to Fidelity Investments, the nation's largest mutual fund company.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Gator on Jul 4^th, 2007, 3:42pm

on 07/04/07 at 12:58:39, john_d wrote:

Gator, The alternative was him selling it to the mob. The fortunately part was relative to that.

Who's to say he didn't sell the info to the mob or won't at some future date? Him? Or who's to say that the people he did sell it to won't let it go to the highest bidder? Dude needs to do some serious time.

on 07/04/07 at 11:43:27, Gator wrote:

So you think he did nothing wrong? [smiley=huh.gif]

Quote:

Ok, so how the fuck did you read that exactly?

Maybe this little line had something to do with that:

Quote:

His crime was circumventing his company and making the profit himself.

Not "his crime was stealing the information and selling it." Not "his crime put 2.3 million people at possible financial risk." His crime was making money at the expense of his employer.

That pretty much covers it.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by john_d on Jul 4^th, 2007, 4:41pm

on 07/04/07 at 15:42:51, Gator wrote:

Not really Gator, you said 'so he did nothing wrong?' A different kind of crime with a different victim does not equate to 'nothing wrong'.

Here's the article I read...

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/CLTU02603072007-1.htm

And the quote I based my observation on....

Quote:

As a result of this apparent theft, the consumers affected received marketing solicitations from the companies that bought the data," said Renz Nichols, President of Certegy Check Services. "We have no reason to believe that the theft resulted in any subsequent fraudulent activity or financial damage to the consumer, and we are taking the necessary steps to see that any further use of the data stops

Not gonna argue about whether it's the absolute truth or not, because frankly your article and my article are the only two I have read and I did not do an analysis on the damn thing. My original posts point was to let people know it's not as bad as it sounds based on further information. I stand by my original post and I repeat that it does not infer that 'he did nothing wrong'.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Kevin_M on Jul 4^th, 2007, 6:50pm

(from John's link) The company's security measures in place were able to be circumvented.

Quote:

Unable to detect any compromise in its firewalls and other system security measures, Certegy requested that the U.S. Secret Service contact the marketing companies in question to trace the source of the data. The Secret Service was able to identify the company supplying the information...

To avoid detection, the technician removed the information from Certegy's facility via physical processes; not electronic transmission.

The company is still investigating the time period over which the misappropriations occurred.

Resolving this matter and implementing additional safeguards is the company's highest priority.

According to this article, the theft occurred sometime before May.

Quote:

The investigation began in May when Certegy learned that some of its customers were being solicited by telephone and mail.

http://www.kcby.com/news/national/8299077.html

However, from John's link, the company will soon be notifying consumers, even though it knew the information was misappropriated months ago and in the meantime was unable to determine the extent of the theft.

Quote:

Certegy will be personally notifying all affected consumers of this misappropriation,

Just doesn't seem safe and the correct order of things, further jeopardizing consumers while the extent of this was being investigated.

Consumers are notified after the company found out "how" it was done, not "if" it was done, which was pretty conclusive when the info couldn't have come from any other source. Take responsibility in the meantime.

I would have at least sent a letter saying we have ascertained unwanted mail to some of our customers. This is assuredly being dealt with to the full extent for your security. Something like that.
Of course it would have been tumultuous for their customer service, but I wouldn't like being told of it months down the road that, we waited to tell you until after they fully proved it was within our company and how it was done because we didn't want to tell you unless we absolutely had to but now we have to since our security in place fucked up, but we're fixing that.

::) just ranting ;;D

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2007, 7:03pm

on 07/04/07 at 18:50:23, Kevin_M wrote:

However, from John's link, the company will soon be notifying consumers, even though it knew the information was misappropriated months ago and in the meantime was unable to determine the extent of the theft.

I wouldnt bag on John....he has nothing to do with this company.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Kevin_M on Jul 4^th, 2007, 7:12pm

on 07/04/07 at 19:03:27, Jonny wrote:

I wouldnt bag on John....he has nothing to do with this company.

I know that Jonny. ;;D I was just saying the quote below that statement comes from the link John provided. I used two links and needed to say where each quote was coming from. John's link was excellent, but I needed to pinpoint better when it happened, so needed a second article. I was simply linking facts from two sources, one being John's. The fact the company "will be" notifying customers came from John's link.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by john_d on Jul 4^th, 2007, 7:14pm

on 07/04/07 at 19:03:27, Jonny wrote:

I wouldnt bag on John....he has nothing to do with this company.

Yeah, not only that but I don't even care about the bastards, just made a point and trying to clarify. I see Kev's point though- they are definitely not an 'innocent' bunch, typical corporate BS.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Kevin_M on Jul 4^th, 2007, 7:17pm

on 07/04/07 at 19:14:42, john_d wrote:

they are definitely not an 'innocent' bunch, typical corporate BS.

That was my rant, not at you John. :)

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2007, 7:21pm

on 07/04/07 at 19:17:22, Kevin_M wrote:

That was my rant, not at you John. :)

Ok, lets party....im half way there.....LOL ;;D

STFU!

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Kevin_M on Jul 4^th, 2007, 7:33pm

Party at Sanna's. House warming for the piggies

you did notice them in the video I hope.

on 07/04/07 at 13:19:43, Jonny wrote:

I saw boobs :o..............;;D :-*

LMFAO!

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2007, 7:41pm

I saw boobs, bro :o

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by purpleydog on Jul 4^th, 2007, 8:55pm

on 07/04/07 at 18:50:23, Kevin_M wrote:

According to this article, the theft occurred sometime before May.

http://www.kcby.com/news/national/8299077.html

However, from John's link, the company will soon be notifying consumers, even though it knew the information was misappropriated months ago and in the meantime was unable to determine the extent of the theft.

Consumers are notified after the company found out "how" it was done, not "if" it was done, which was pretty conclusive when the info couldn't have come from any other source. Take responsibility in the meantime.

Of course it would have been tumultuous for their customer service, but I wouldn't like being told of it months down the road that, we waited to tell you until after they fully proved it was within our company and how it was done because we didn't want to tell you unless we absolutely had to but now we have to since our security in place fucked up, but we're fixing that.

It seems to me that they probably weren't planning on notifying any customers, or anyone, or doing anything about it, until the media found out about it, and made it public. How many times has something like this happened, and was covered up, and customers with compromised information were not notified?

Corporate BS is right.

Title: Re: CC & Bank Account Info Stolen
Post by Gator on Jul 4^th, 2007, 9:57pm

on 07/04/07 at 16:41:04, john_d wrote:

I repeat that it does not infer that 'he did nothing wrong'.

I stand corrected, according to your post, he did commit a crime - taking money out of his employer's pocket.

Quote:

His crime was circumventing his company and making the profit himself.

You expressed no concern for the theft itself, which is why I bothered asking in the first place. Even in defense of your original post, you make no acknowledgment that the theft was a crime or that people were potentially placed at financial risk.

I'm done here. Y'all go look at boobs or whatever.