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(Message started by: Charlie on Jul 2^nd, 2007, 6:33pm)

Title: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Charlie on Jul 2^nd, 2007, 6:33pm

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/point.gif Can you imagine going to the clink with a name like Scooter? http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/beanie.gif

Yikes!

Charlie

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 2^nd, 2007, 6:44pm

we all knew he wasnt going to be going to jail anyway.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by alienspacebabe on Jul 2^nd, 2007, 8:08pm

and if you or I had done that? wouldn't have been a lousy 30 months (commuted or not). We would be on federal death row for treason.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by GrandPotentate on Jul 2^nd, 2007, 8:38pm

Yeah, but I still have a better nickname.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by stevegeebe on Jul 2^nd, 2007, 9:24pm

Membership has its privileges.

Steve G

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by BarbaraD on Jul 3^rd, 2007, 7:08am

Too bad Paris didn't know King George better.....

Heck, by the time George goes out of office his approval rating is going to be 0. Has that ever happened before?

Hugs BD

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Gator on Jul 3^rd, 2007, 2:58pm

on 07/02/07 at 20:08:28, alienspacebabe wrote:

and if you or I had done that? wouldn't have been a lousy 30 months (commuted or not). We would be on federal death row for treason.

Actually, if it had been any normal prosecutor, instead of one with an agenda, it never would have gone to trial. This ~~persecutor~~ prosecutor had to go before several grand juries and had to basically brow beat the last one into finding there was enough to go to trial. There was no case, because there was no crime until Libby's perjury. This prosecutor should be suffering the same fate as the Duke Lacrosse Team prosecutor.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Charlie on Jul 3^rd, 2007, 8:31pm

That may be but this White House is practicing Nixonian-style stonewalling and defying us at every turn. Libby is screwed for some time to come. So are we thanks to this bunch of criminals.

Charlie

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Gator on Jul 4^th, 2007, 12:04am

on 07/03/07 at 20:31:37, Charlie wrote:

That may be...

There is really nothing left to say after that. It should have never gotten to the point where anyone committed perjury. There was no crime. After that was established, the case should have been dropped, but the prosecutor had a hard on for the administration and SOMEONE had to pay for his overzealousness.

If I were to be afraid of one of the two, I'd be more afraid of the person who pulls out all stops to convict someone - anyone - rather than just drop a dead case.

It could happen to you. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by JeffB on Jul 4^th, 2007, 1:17am

Sandy Berger can waltz into the national archives or whatever the place is called and steal secret documents and gets a slap on the wrist, this guy did do anything that amounts to squat. BUt leave it to the cry baby democrats to make a big stink about it. Didn't Bill C pardon a guy who fled the country get a pardon for something much worse??

The Dems are pussies who haven't done shit since they took power except cry about every little thing this administration has done. Reid is a prick in my book.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Gator on Jul 4^th, 2007, 2:30am

I forgot about Sandy Burglar. LOL Now THAT was a case where someone should have been prosecuted.

Yes, on Clinton's last day in office he pardoned something like 140 people (and commuted the sentences of 36 others), including Marc Rich who fled the country and renounced his US citizenship due to charges of income tax evasion to the tune of 100 million dollars, conducting crude oil trades with Iran during the hostage crisis, mail and wire fraud and racketeering. Clinton pardons and commutations also included murderers, drug dealers, bank robbers, even 16 members of FALN (a Puerto Rican terrorist group that set off more than 120 bombs in the US between 1974 and 1985, killed US citizens, killed cops, killed US military personnel and allegedly threatened to assassinate president Reagan).

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

Yeah, beware of Bush. LOL

Edited to add this link to all Clinton's pardons from 1993 to 2001.

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm

and this link to his commutations during the same period:

http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clinton_comm.htm

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by stevegeebe on Jul 4^th, 2007, 9:26am

If I'm not mistaken.. was Scooter the defense Attorney for Marc Rich...?

Den of thieves...all of them.

Tea...overboard!

Steve G

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 4^th, 2007, 9:31am

on 07/02/07 at 18:33:54, Charlie wrote:

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/point.gif Can you imagine going to the clink with a name like Scooter? http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/beanie.gif

I called him a few weeks ago and told him to change his nickname to El Conquistador. You know, in preparation.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by vig on Jul 4^th, 2007, 5:40pm

with all due respect Gator, I disagree.
This was done to cover up other crimes.

;;D

and I think Sandy Berger was a criminal too.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 4^th, 2007, 6:08pm

Mike, your post reminds me of a dude named Ken Starr. How funny.

How can you call Clinton a criminal for lying about a blow job and at the same time you think the investigation into the treason of naming a covert operative in the war on terror is nothing but the democrats hating on Bush?

Jesus, that seems a little bass-ackwards to me.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2007, 6:14pm

on 07/04/07 at 18:08:41, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:

How can you call Clinton a criminal for lying about a blow job and at the same time you think the investigation into the treason of naming a covert operative in the war on terror is nothing but the democrats hating on Bush?

Please show me where scooter named anyone?.....Please!!!!

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by vig on Jul 4^th, 2007, 6:34pm

on 07/04/07 at 18:14:38, Jonny wrote:

Please show me where scooter named anyone?.....Please!!!!

scooter lied so that we would never find out what exactly happened.... That was the conclusion of a REPUBLICAN prosecutor appointed by Bush and by a REPUBLICAN judge also appointed by Bush.... and he was willing to take the consequences to keep that secret. He should fall on his sword like a man then.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2007, 6:44pm

on 07/04/07 at 18:34:28, vig wrote:

Once again....PLEASE show me where he outted an agent that was five years out to begin with.....LOL ;;D

Thats what I asked!

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Charlie on Jul 4^th, 2007, 6:59pm

The Constitutional damage attempted by Dubya and of course Dick Cheney...if he really still exists...he may be a robot... is more dangerous to the country than anything I've seen in my lifetime. It's a stunning catalog of attempts against intent and spirit of the law.

That the Bush administration hired as part of its justice department watchdogs, about 150 shining bulbs that are graduates of Pat Roberston's super dooper Regent University, shows a level of contempt and disregard for the will of the people that's hard to fathom. What Bill Clinton did pales to insignificance when it comes to any abuse of the judical system.

Charlie

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Charlie on Jul 4^th, 2007, 7:06pm

on 07/04/07 at 18:34:28, vig wrote:

Yes. Quite simply it's a coverup and a full pardon will ensue if need be to insure that it works.

Is the press against Dubya? You bet and it's about time. When he shoots himself in the foot, it hurts the country more. Who would have thought that someonce could make Nixon look good?

Charlie

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2007, 7:28pm

Once again....PLEASE show me where he outted an agent that was five years out to begin with.....LOL ;;D

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 4^th, 2007, 8:01pm

on 07/04/07 at 18:14:38, Jonny wrote:

Please show me where scooter named anyone?.....Please!!!!

Scooter obstructed the investigation and or lied about the investigation into the outing of an undercover agent. Convicted of 5 counts.

We still dont know who put lives in jeopardy by outing this agent......but this administration doesnt care.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2007, 8:13pm

on 07/04/07 at 20:01:29, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:

Once again....PLEASE show me where he outted an agent that was five years out to begin with.....LOL ;;D

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 4^th, 2007, 8:15pm

on 07/04/07 at 20:01:29, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Jonny on Jul 4^th, 2007, 8:19pm

What agent?

She was no more an agent than you or I.....LMMFAO!

Do your homework!

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 4^th, 2007, 8:20pm

Amazing to me how each side gets so fucking bloodthirsty when out of power.

It's the achilles heel of this country, and it will lead to its fall.

I used to be a political junkie. I no longer have the time, the inclination, nor the stomach for it. Now I simply try to affect my corner of God's green acre. The rest is compost.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter..
Post by Gator on Jul 4^th, 2007, 10:45pm

Paul, the alleged crime being investigated was the outing of a CIA operative. The prosecutor was crazed with the prospect of sending someone - anyone - from the Bush administration to jail (the higher up, the better), even though she was either not an operative or had not been an operative for five years prior to her alleged outing, which would mean no crime was committed.

This thing never should have gone as far as it did from the prosecutorial standpoint, because there was nothing to prosecute. To continue the investigation was nothing more than harassment and in normal civil proceedings, the prosecutor would be punished for such misconduct.

As far as I'm concerned he was fishing without a license and anything he caught should have been thrown back in the water.

on 07/04/07 at 18:08:41, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:

No where did anyone say anything about Clinton lying about a blow job (kind of hung up on that are you?), but since you brought it up... Personally, I don't care if he fucked his dog. The problem is the man in the highest elected office in the country committed perjury. So, if a man should go to jail for perjury, then Slick Willey should have already been there. Love the double standard, by the way. ::)

Stop and reread the posts in this tread, including mine. It is about Bush pardoning a perjurer and how terrible a person he is for doing it, yet Clinton is some form of saint even though he pardoned and/or set free terrorists, murderers, bank robbers and the list goes on.

Pardons are an executive privilege. All presidents have done it, but none have pardoned or commuted the sentences of such reprehensible, low life scum as Slick Willey. Awful convenient of you NOT to have read that part of it. Goes to show your own particular blindness and willingness to overlook one man's fault's while persecuting another's.

As far as the "treasonous" act of outing an operative (who, btw, was either not an operative or hadn't been one in the five years prior to her alleged outing, thus no crime was committed), if that were true, then the prosecutions would be ongoing. No, the prosecutor found his scapegoat to cover up his own overzealous aspirations of taking down the Bush administration and as Porky Pig would say th-th-th-that's all folks.

Keep drinking the koolaid, Brian. If nothing else, your blind hatred of all things Bush is entertaining.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter..
Post by vig on Jul 5^th, 2007, 7:44am

on 07/04/07 at 22:45:06, Gator wrote:

During her employment at the CIA, Ms. Wilson was under cover.

Her employment status with the CIA was classified information prohibited from disclosure under Executive Order 12958.

At the time of the publication of Robert Novak's column on July 14, 2003, Ms. Wilson's CIA employment status was covert.

This was classified information.
========================

These statements were cleared by the current, Bush-appointed head of the CIA, General Michael Hayden. Do you really not believe him?

A crime was committed: the outing of a CIA agent.
It was done knowingly to exact revenge against a critic of the war.

The investigation could not reach a result because Mr. Libby knowingly lied and obstructed justice so that we would never know what happened.

and Mr. Fitzgerald is not crazed, he was doing his job, as an American, not as a Republican.

If I ever have a beef with you, we can settle things like adults. I'll never go after your wife.

that is what they did.

=============

modified to add:

One White House official later told a Washington Post reporter that the administration had informed at least six reporters about Plame “purely and simply out of revenge” against Wilson.

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by Charlie on Jul 5^th, 2007, 6:53pm

I have to agree with Brew. It's a bloody mess but then it's politics. Historically, these guys are not the worst of them. The 19th century was a real bloodbath when it came to this stuff.

While Clinton pardoned some sleazy characters...Rich being the most famous, about 95% of the pardons went through the Justice Department as possible recommendations. They may not have been great but for the most part they were not surprising.

Clinton took a hell of a beating for his pardons too. It's okay to criticize both of them you know; not just Clinton.

This case is about covering Cheney's ass. That's what makes it look so bad. Still, it's within Bush's power to do so. There will be a full pardon soon though....why not? Bush and Cheney are already as loved as the black plague by all but the far right, the religous right and their K Street friends. In short, it's okay to lie so long as you work for the powers that be.

Charlie

Title: Re: I'm for Scooter.
Post by BarbaraD on Jul 7^th, 2007, 7:05am

At least when Nixon got behind the 8 ball like Bush is now, he had sense enough to resign and let his "flunkies" take the fall. Gerry Ford pardoned him and life went on. We didn't have all this mess going on day after day.

Of course, we'd need to get rid of Cheeney before Bush could resign and maybe get Fred Thompson in there with his homespun pholosphy in there and then maybe we could get something done that amounts to something instead of who done what to whom and who knew about it first.

We need to be concentrating on getting troops home, medical care, disasters in THIS country taken care of and illegal aliens back to where they came from.

BUT (back on soapbox) It's gonna take the AMERICAN PEOPLE getting into the ACT and letting our elected OFFICIALs know that we're sick of the crap they're handing us and that they need to get back to OUR business before they're gonna do anything that benefits US. Right now they're just wasting a lot of hot air (no wonder we have global warming) and a lot of OUR money!

Hugs BD