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(Message started by: michael on Jun 29^th, 2007, 6:07am)

Title: Big Brother
Post by michael on Jun 29^th, 2007, 6:07am

On this Sunday, 1st July, the big brother state of England will finally be here.

Title: Re: Big Brother
Post by LeLimey on Jun 29^th, 2007, 8:52am

Funnily enough those of us who are non smokers (a minnority here I know!) see it completely opposite. WE finally don't have to put up with others cigarette smoke.

Title: Re: Big Brother
Post by michael on Jun 29^th, 2007, 9:25am

I'm sure you'd get more toxins walking down a street of traffic than in a lifetime of passive smoking.

I have always been considerate of non-smokers - but I don't like being told what to do!

If there needs to be a ban on smoking then it should be on selling them, but then there would be no money to fund the health service.

Sorry - just ranting.

Mike

Title: Re: Big Brother
Post by sandie99 on Jun 29^th, 2007, 9:30am

I am glad. I happen to dislike smoking, because it has triggered quite a few hits for me in the past.

Finland is pretty much smokefree place now. This summer brings smoking ban inside pubs, bars, restaurants and other public places. It is a relief for for me, because Timo likes to go out occasionally to have a beer at a nice irish bar close to us and I got shadows while I sat there with him. From now on I can enjoy the experience more!(Besides that bar has free internet, which mean that while T is having his beer, I can post right here... [smiley=laugh.gif])

There are 2 sides to every story. :)

BTW, that's not a huge difference to quests at my parents's house; mum has made smokers smoke outside for years and that included my dad, too!

PF wishes,
Sanna

Title: Re: Big Brother
Post by LeLimey on Jun 29^th, 2007, 9:34am

Rant away - I just like ranting from the opposite direction! In this instance I'm playing more devils advocate than anything.

My aunt died ten years ago on her 42nd birthday, she'd never smoked in he rlife but died of lung cancer and she had always worked on the London Stock Exchange which is one of the smokiest places ever invented. I'm convinced passive smoking killed her.

I think the new legislation is harsh and very quick. I especially don't like how it makes 18 the legal age over night (already happend I know since that means we have a whole load of 17 year olds who have been legally smoking for a year who now can't at all.

Whilst I'm totally against kids smoking I also don't think you can give them something and then take it away a year later telling them you can have it back in another years time. It just doesn't work like that.

I'm all for changing the laws but I don't think it should have een phased in as quickly as it has and I don't think they have the ground work in place to either back it up or help people quit. Its been very badly thought out.

Title: Re: Big Brother
Post by Highlander on Jun 29^th, 2007, 10:44am

As a non smoker who has endured the Scottish smoking ban.

I can reliably inform you that its actually harder on the non smokers.....

all my smoking friends regually head to the front door to have a smoke. leaving the few non smokers sitting guarding drinks or talking to the menu.

As for Smoke free pubs being better for you? you have to walk through all the smokers at the front door which depending on the regulars etc can mean one hell of a lungful of smoke.

but both smokers and non smokers alike generally agree that the ban is worthwhile. the smokers cut down. you don't go home smelling of smoke! which is a great thing.

Although personal hygine of some pub regulars needs to improve

Title: Re: Big Brother
Post by Brewcrew on Jun 29^th, 2007, 10:52am

Last I checked, tobacco was a legal product for adults. If it's such a scourge on society, it should be made illegal. It won't be, because the government is more addicted to the tax dollars it generates than smokers are to nicotine.

So, combine a legal product with private property rights. Why shouldn't the restaurant or pub owner be able to decide whether or not his patrons can use a LEGAL product on his private property? Should he not be able to allow the market (i.e., his patrons) to dictate whether or not to allow smoking?

I don't see what the problem is here, other than there are socialists within government bodies that are starting to have some success throwing their weight around.

Title: Re: Big Brother
Post by vietvet2tours on Jun 29^th, 2007, 4:09pm

http://media.putfile.com/07---Dim-Lights-Thick-Smoke-And-Loud-Loud-Music

Title: Re: Big Brother
Post by Charlie on Jun 29^th, 2007, 6:52pm

on 06/29/07 at 10:44:22, Highlander wrote:

I know what you mean but it's worth it. In my upstate New York town, they are in the process of banning smoking in some parking lots around state and county buildings. Technically you have to be 30 feet from the door as it is....howling blizzard or monsoon. I feel bad for them as I know how hard it is to quit.

It's good that my friends feel guilty about second hand smoke. Frankly, I'm not that worried about that but it still stinks and that's enough for me. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/smoke.gif

I'm with Helen. 8)

Charlie