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(Message started by: Buzz on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:09am)
Title: Bomb defused in London
Post by Buzz on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:09am
A bomb was discovered in central London this morning at 2am. It was in a car and was defused.... hmmmmmmmmmm :-[
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by LeLimey on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:10am
Thank God for that Buzz - any idea's where yet? Ex Central Londoner (Victoria) here myself so I always like to know, especially given that I'm hoping to go and support the OUCH UK team in the 10K run on Sunday.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Buzz on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:19am
It was on Haymarket, just by Piccadilly...
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Buzz on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:27am
Update: Apparently people have seen 'cylinders' being removed from a Mercedees Benz at the centre of the investigation...

Are clusterheads involved?

Just a thought ;;D
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Bob P on Jun 29th, 2007, 1:13pm
You guys need Tony back!
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Maffumatt on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:43pm
Looks like they found another one, they said it was positioned so that those fleeing the first would run into the second. I wish you guys well over there. Be aware.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by LeLimey on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:04pm
It's the 10K run in London on Sunday and there are 18 people running for OUCH UK. I'm damn sure they will all go ahead with it so spare them a thought and a prayer please.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Rosybabe on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:55pm
all of you stay vigilant please, we have to do the same over here...
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Charlie on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:00pm
It's been on cable news over here for the last four hours. Glad things are looking better.

Wow. Mr. Brown is having a helluva start.  :o

Charlie
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Shedz on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:07pm
Perhaps this was a timed attack because of the change in leadership, and Wimbledon on right now, lots more visitors to the capitol, lots more collateral damage :-/ Hmmmm.

What say you???????

Paul.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Jonny on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:22pm
I got $50 says its some Islam freaks....take me up on the bet, Buzz?
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by sandie99 on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:27am
I must admit that it is kind of scary to find out now that there were 2 bombs quite close to the areas where we were walking earlier this week...

If this would have happened then, I bet that my over-protective mum would have gone complitely nuts!

London is a special city to me. When something like this takes place, I just don't read about it and move on; I used to live it this city and I know my way around in parts of it. I used to think of myself as international londoner, and I still feel that way about it.

Lots of vibes & prayers are on their way to all OUCH UK people! I hope that everything goes well on Sunday.

Hugs,
Sanna
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Rosybabe on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:16am
now the airport is closed check this out!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6257194.stm
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Brewcrew on Jun 30th, 2007, 11:24am
From the article (BBC):


Quote:
They have also described seeing two Aisan men, one of whom was on fire, who had been in the car.


What are Aisan men?
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Rosybabe on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:40pm
from the BBC article:

They have also described seeing two Asian men, one of whom was on fire, who had been in the car.

I guess they already corrected it  ;)
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Buzz on Jul 1st, 2007, 5:00pm

on 06/29/07 at 22:22:23, Jonny wrote:
I got $50 says its some Islam freaks....take me up on the bet, Buzz?



I agree 100% with you Jonny. The word, "Freaks" being what separates them from the vast majority of peace-loving Muslims...

I come from a society where the tragedy of generalisations about particular groups of people has had a devastating effect; I try to understand that it is always the noisy minority (fundamentalists) that becomes representative of the majority - they are simply more newsworthy. (Imagine a headline in a newspaper, "Peace loving Islamist stays at home and does nothing" - hardly news is it, yet millions (billions?) of them do just that every single day compared to the 3/4 who blow something up).

I say that we all have to be vigilant.  That is common sense. But to tar all with the same brush is madness - and a surefire way to alienate them, turning them into enemies.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 1st, 2007, 6:04pm

on 07/01/07 at 17:00:54, Buzz wrote:
But to tar all with the same brush is madness - and a surefire way to alienate them, turning them into enemies.

Then the "peace-loving Muslims" need to speak out loudly and strongly against what these "freaks" do for fun. So far, all I've heard is the sound of crickets.

Otherwise, how are we to know who the "freaks" are?

See where I'm coming from? It's called tacit approval.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by LeLimey on Jul 1st, 2007, 6:06pm
Bravo Brew.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Jonny on Jul 1st, 2007, 6:10pm
Damn right, Brew!!!!
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 1st, 2007, 8:44pm

Quote:
Then the "peace-loving Muslims" need to speak out loudly and strongly against what these "freaks" do for fun. So far, all I've heard is the sound of crickets.


I want to hear and see lots of noise from our peaceful American Muslims that must be pissed off at the the homicidal maniacs that are making things miserable for them too.

We shouldn't have to look so hard to find it.

Charlie
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 1st, 2007, 8:46pm

on 07/01/07 at 20:44:22, Charlie wrote:
I want to hear and see lots of noise from our peaceful American Muslims that must be pissed off at the the homicidal maniacs that are making things miserable for them too.

We shouldn't have to look so hard to find it.

Charlie

Amen, brutha!
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by GrandPotentate on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:38pm
Although the stuff in London and Glasgow is rather serious, these jerks are really quite incompetent, aren't they?  A good demonstration that terrorists don't need to kill a lot of people, they just need to scare everyone.  Too bad the press (and the pres.) make a living by whipping up hysteria.  This is another beast we should not let ruin our lives.

My thanks to all who nailed these clowns.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Buzz on Jul 2nd, 2007, 3:35am

on 07/01/07 at 18:04:26, Brewcrew wrote:
Then the "peace-loving Muslims" need to speak out loudly and strongly against what these "freaks" do for fun. So far, all I've heard is the sound of crickets.

Otherwise, how are we to know who the "freaks" are?

See where I'm coming from? It's called tacit approval.


I cannot disagree with you, Brew.  It is time that the Muslims drew a line in the sand and disassociated themselves with terrorism.  They have a duty to themselves to make it known that a) terrorism is completely unacceptable and that B) they are (as the word "Islam" suggests) a peace-loving religion.  If they fail to do this, their only spokespeople are the bombers - who have our attention.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 2nd, 2007, 7:30am

on 07/02/07 at 03:35:59, Buzz wrote:
I cannot disagree with you, Brew.  It is time that the Muslims drew a line in the sand and disassociated themselves with terrorism.  They have a duty to themselves to make it known that a) terrorism is completely unacceptable and that B) they are (as the word "Islam" suggests) a peace-loving religion.  If they fail to do this, their only spokespeople are the bombers - who have our attention.

Amen, my British brother! I believe the main reason it hasn't happened is that they are more afraid of the freaks than we are.

Fear can be a powerful motivator.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 2nd, 2007, 9:49am
All in all; not a bright bunch. All this does is piss off Brits....us too.

Must be they don't understand what "stiff upper lips." means.

Dumbth.

Charlie
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Gator on Jul 2nd, 2007, 5:13pm
You won't be seeing any mass denunciation of what the "radical ismalists" are doing.  Damned if I can remember where I saw it, but the jist was that in the Muslim culture, there is no admitting fault or taking blame.  At least over in that part of the world, anyways.  For instance, if a Muslim was to visit your house for coffee and accidentally knock a cup from the table, your guest would not apologize or in any way accept responsibility for knocking the cup off the table.  Instead he would make a comment like "The cup fell off the table" or "the cup is on the floor."  It is my guess that they will not publicly denounce the extremists for much the same reason.

That and to do so, they would have to denounce their religion.  In the Koran, there are only three ways to deal with an infidel 1) Convert him to Islam 2) Subjugate and tax him  3) Kill Him.  That's it.  The extremists are merely following the 3rd way of dealing with infidels which is laid out in their bible.  I think the mass influx of Muslims into most countries of the world and the rapid population growth of the Muslims is their way of fulfilling their religious obligations via methods 1 and 2.  While not every Muslim is willing to kill for their religion, they will also not denounce it as they would pretty much be signing their own death warrant.

Again, this is my understanding based on research I have done and information I have seen on television and heard on the radio.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 2nd, 2007, 5:56pm
Once again: The joys of religious ferver.  >:(

Charlie
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by GrandPotentate on Jul 2nd, 2007, 8:26pm
It seems lack of responsibility is affecting a lot of people these days.

Actually, I have but one Muslim acquaintance, and he is quite vocal about denouncing these violent losers.

Both of which prove the old adage:

"All sweeping generalizations are wrong"
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Jonny on Jul 3rd, 2007, 9:01pm
"I went to interview Muslim leaders, they said they would answer questions after I provide them with identification, they were very nervous, they photographed my car, me, my ID and when it came time to answer questions they told me "..we don't have to answer any questions", then told me I had to "..vacate the property" or they would call the police. They also said they were notifying the FBI! I got it all on tape! Then I sent a copy to the FBI, CIA, Vice President, Governor Perdue, FOX, CNN and WSBTV."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6f5_1183414926

When will we learn that they are planning all this in their Mosques?

Aint it bad enough in Iraq that they can kill 5-10 Brits and Americans and run into a Mosque......and we CANT FUCKING BOMB IT?

If Harry S Truman was running this shit it would be over years ago!

Fuckin PC bullshit!!!!
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Maffumatt on Jul 3rd, 2007, 9:24pm
8 arrests, 7 doctors. These guys aren't disillusioned youths that failed to integrated into society. Imagine the havoc they could have reaped if they had decided to do their dirty deeds at work instead of doing the bombing.

S much for the Hippocratic Oath

Hippocratic Oath—Modern Version

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
[b][/b]
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jul 3rd, 2007, 11:08pm
The way this investigation is unfolding is pretty damn crazy.  I heard a report today that they think muslim extremists used the UK Healthcare System to get jobs and provide cover.  At least 2 of the dudes arrested are doctors.

I think racial profiling might be the only feasible answer.   :-/
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Gator on Jul 3rd, 2007, 11:24pm
Ya think?   ::)
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Buzz on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:00pm
What amazes me is that the bombers are mostly very bright, highly educated people - Doctors, for heaven's sake.

How on earth did they manage to cock-up not just once, not twice, but THREE times - and then all get caught.

I'm telling you this: If that's how bright our doctors are, I'm gonna self medicate.

Anyone got a book on DIY facelifts or How to Customise Your Brain at Home Using Simple Kitchen Implements???
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by LeLimey on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:20pm

on 07/06/07 at 13:00:47, Buzz wrote:
Anyone got a book on DIY facelifts or How to Customise Your Brain at Home Using Simple Kitchen Implements???



Oh bloody hell - that's gone and done it! "Dr" Ali will be back any minute LOL  ::)
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Buzz on Jul 6th, 2007, 1:26pm
Yikes, yikes and thrice yikes again! [smiley=eek.gif]
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Sandy_C on Jul 6th, 2007, 2:45pm

on 07/02/07 at 17:13:48, Gator wrote:
You won't be seeing any mass denunciation of what the "radical ismalists" are doing.  Damned if I can remember where I saw it, but the jist was that in the Muslim culture, there is no admitting fault or taking blame.  At least over in that part of the world, anyways.  For instance, if a Muslim was to visit your house for coffee and accidentally knock a cup from the table, your guest would not apologize or in any way accept responsibility for knocking the cup off the table.  Instead he would make a comment like "The cup fell off the table" or "the cup is on the floor."  It is my guess that they will not publicly denounce the extremists for much the same reason.

That and to do so, they would have to denounce their religion.  In the Koran, there are only three ways to deal with an infidel 1) Convert him to Islam 2) Subjugate and tax him  3) Kill Him.  That's it.  The extremists are merely following the 3rd way of dealing with infidels which is laid out in their bible.  I think the mass influx of Muslims into most countries of the world and the rapid population growth of the Muslims is their way of fulfilling their religious obligations via methods 1 and 2.  While not every Muslim is willing to kill for their religion, they will also not denounce it as they would pretty much be signing their own death warrant.

Again, this is my understanding based on research I have done and information I have seen on television and heard on the radio.



That is so interesting.  Thanks, Mike.  This kind of explains to me, although not to my satisfaction by a long shot, why the Muslims, living, working, even citizens of the USA are not speaking out loudly against their fanatical bretheren.

But, in my most humble opinion, the Muslims living in, working in, benefiting from, and most of all citizens of the US, must make a very hard decision.  Either denounce what the radical Muslims are doing throughout the world, or leave, religion bedamned.   They cannot claim allegience to the US while condoning everything that goes completely against US laws and doctrin, Hell, against humanity.

I have great difficulty in believing that Muslims around the world condone the killing of innocents, men women and children of their own faith, then have the audacity to claim it in the name of Islam.  But it is very apparent that this is what is happening.

Muslims in our country complain that they are being profiled unfairly.  Gee, wonder why.  If they don't want to be profiled, stopped and searched every time they try to go somewhere, then they need to speak out.  Muslims need to make a choice, worldwide.  You either support the killing of people of your own faith, and any others not of your faith, or you denounce those who do, loudly.  Seems a simple choice to me.  
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Klusterkopf on Jul 6th, 2007, 3:49pm

on 07/02/07 at 17:13:48, Gator wrote:
You won't be seeing any mass denunciation of what the "radical ismalists" are doing.  Damned if I can remember where I saw it, but the jist was that in the Muslim culture, there is no admitting fault or taking blame.  At least over in that part of the world, anyways.  For instance, if a Muslim was to visit your house for coffee and accidentally knock a cup from the table, your guest would not apologize or in any way accept responsibility for knocking the cup off the table.  Instead he would make a comment like "The cup fell off the table" or "the cup is on the floor."  It is my guess that they will not publicly denounce the extremists for much the same reason.

That and to do so, they would have to denounce their religion.  In the Koran, there are only three ways to deal with an infidel 1) Convert him to Islam 2) Subjugate and tax him  3) Kill Him.  That's it.  The extremists are merely following the 3rd way of dealing with infidels which is laid out in their bible.  I think the mass influx of Muslims into most countries of the world and the rapid population growth of the Muslims is their way of fulfilling their religious obligations via methods 1 and 2.  While not every Muslim is willing to kill for their religion, they will also not denounce it as they would pretty much be signing their own death warrant.

Again, this is my understanding based on research I have done and information I have seen on television and heard on the radio.


I think that history has shown, particularly in the last century, but also since it became the state religion of Rome and then the European countries, that Christians have killed more people by far, including other Christians, than any other religious group ever has.  The Muslims can never beat the Christians for a record of violence.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 6th, 2007, 3:57pm

on 07/06/07 at 15:49:10, Klusterkopf wrote:
I think that history has shown, particularly in the last century, but also since it became the state religion of Rome and then the European countries, that Christians have killed more people by far, including other Christians, than any other religious group ever has.  The Muslims can never beat the Christians for a record of violence.

Roughly translated:

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

-breath-

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

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Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Shedz on Jul 6th, 2007, 4:11pm
[smiley=crackup.gif] ;;D
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:21am

Quote:
I think that history has shown, particularly in the last century, but also since it became the state religion of Rome and then the European countries, that Christians have killed more people by far, including other Christians, than any other religious group ever has.  The Muslims can never beat the Christians for a record of violence.


Sure but they get over it. I'm no big fan of any religion but you're not going to find Christians dumb enough to blow up buildings. If nothing else; it's counter-effective.

Oh.....why are you still here? http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/cockroach.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Maffumatt on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:26am
Funny you don't see mass immigration from Christian countries into the Muslim World. I wonder why?
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Shedz on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:35am
Well said that man!!!!

Paul.
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Klusterkopf on Jul 7th, 2007, 11:36am
[quote author=Charlie link=board=general;num=1183104568;start=25#39 date=07/07/07 at 01:21:14]

Sure but they get over it. I'm no big fan of any religion but you're not going to find Christians dumb enough to blow up buildings. If nothing else; it's counter-effective.

Oh.....why are you still here? http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/cockroach.gif

How about the IRA?  All good Catholics.  The UDF-all good Protestants.  I am still here because I love to read your posts ::).
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by LeLimey on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:18pm

on 07/07/07 at 11:36:06, Klusterkopf wrote:
I am still here because I love to read your posts




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Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 7th, 2007, 1:56pm

Quote:
I am still here because I love to read your posts
http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/imhard.gif
Charlie
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by LeLimey on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:18pm
LMAO @ Charlie -

Charlie have I told you lately how much I love you?!  [smiley=inlove.gif]

I am SOOOO gonna miss you in Richmond  :'(
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Jonny on Jul 7th, 2007, 2:23pm
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This one is for you, Helen....because you always know when its him....LMAO ;;D

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Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by LeLimey on Jul 7th, 2007, 3:33pm
Well lets face it Jonny spotting him ain't difficult! - if you can smell something rank and your shoes are brown and tacky then you know our John is back  ;;D
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by GrandPotentate on Jul 7th, 2007, 6:37pm
" Sure but they get over it. I'm no big fan of any religion but you're not going to find Christians dumb enough to blow up buildings. If nothing else; it's counter-effective.
. . .
How about the IRA?  All good Catholics.  The UDF-all good Protestants. "


I think one can find oodles of examples of guys taking religion (any) or politics(any) too far.  Race, Religion, Politics aren't usually the cause of violence, just a good excuse.  When a person can't find a good reason for living, he is subject to being persuaded into a reason for dying to make him a "hero".  The current scare is this bunch of docs.  But McVeigh& Nichols, and many IRA bombings were much better executed.  Fortunately this latest bunch of jerks was remarkably incompetent.  
Title: Re: Bomb defused in London
Post by Charlie on Jul 8th, 2007, 1:28am
Yup.

There are some horrible examples of course...the Ku Klux Klan being one that comes to mind. It's been good seeing them become more and more marginalized in my lifetime.

It ain't the same when physicians are willing to take the plunge for the cause...tthey give me the creeps but the thing that doesn't seem to register with them is that all they are doing is pissing us off. You aren't going to see Londoners or New Yorkers heading for the hills. It's not in our nature.

Charlie


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