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(Message started by: Jonny on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:18pm)
Title: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Jonny on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:18pm
There is a God!

Now I will sleep better at night.

*Happy dance* (a really cool looking happy dance) ;;D
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Maffumatt on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:30pm
;;D
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Jonny on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:35pm

on 06/28/07 at 16:30:46, Maffumatt wrote:
;;D


LMAO....I knew you would be pleased....LOL  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Rosybabe on Jun 28th, 2007, 4:44pm
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h58/stephanie259/thCalvinHobbesDancing2.gif
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by burnt-toast on Jun 28th, 2007, 5:36pm
Bush said after an appearance "The American people understand the status quo is unacceptable when it comes to our immigration laws.  "Legal immigration is one of the top concerns of the American people, and Congress' failure to act on it is a disappointment."  

G.W. never stops attempting to sell this horse manure as legislative diamonds.  

Comments from many Senate Democrats and Republicans indicates these jokers believe they are either untouchable in their ivory towers or really have crafted nice little dream worlds to live in.    

You think by now they’d start crafting meaningful border/port protection legislation and put teeth back into immigration laws instead cleverly attempting to slip back-door amnesty to illegal aliens.

Tom    
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Mosaicwench on Jun 28th, 2007, 6:04pm
I used to be a political junkie and I have reached saturation.  I'm done trying to believe that these people have MY best interests in mind.

I can't believe the amount of sheer crap that passes for "legislation" and the people who propose it.  Makes me want to crawl into a cave and hide for the next 50 years.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Charlie on Jun 28th, 2007, 6:39pm

Quote:
G.W. never stops attempting to sell this horse manure as legislative diamonds.    


Of course. These clowns and the K Street fun-lovers, never never take responsibility for anything.

Charlies
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Jonny on Jun 28th, 2007, 7:48pm
LMAO @ you, Fatboy!

I guess your singing the blues now....LMAO ;;D

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HgUcXU7sGNg

You murdering fat bastard, did you really think we would roll over and let you sell our country out?

Thank you to all that called their reps!!!  [smiley=headbanger.gif]


I think Fatboy has a headache....LMAO  [smiley=laugh.gif]

http://imgsrv.wrko.com/image/wrko/UserFiles/bk.jpg

And this link just for laughs ;;D

http://www.fatboy.cc/
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by john_d on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:21pm

on 06/28/07 at 17:36:21, burnt-toast wrote:
Bush said after an appearance "The American people understand the status quo is unacceptable when it comes to our immigration laws.  "Legal immigration is one of the top concerns of the American people, and Congress' failure to act on it is a disappointment."  
 


It's like fingernails on a chalkboard for me whenever I hear that dude rattle of another one of his agendas as if he is speaking for the American people.  Does he think we are idiots?
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:53pm

on 06/28/07 at 19:48:38, Jonny wrote:
You murdering fat bastard, did you really think we would roll over and let you sell our country out?



Dude, Gimme a break, Bush is in great shape.
Just 'cause he is a horrible President doesnt mean he is fat.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Maffumatt on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:05pm

on 06/28/07 at 21:21:42, john_d wrote:
It's like fingernails on a chalkboard for me whenever I hear that dude rattle of another one of his agendas as if he is speaking for the American people.  Does he think we are idiots?

Yes, apparently he does.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Kevin_M on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:16pm

on 06/28/07 at 21:53:13, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Dude, Gimme a break, Bush is in great shape.
Just 'cause he is a horrible President doesnt mean he is fat.



Left, is the bluster headache.


on 06/28/07 at 19:48:38, Jonny wrote:
I think Fatboy has a headache....LMAO  [smiley=laugh.gif]

http://imgsrv.wrko.com/image/wrko/UserFiles/bk.jpg
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Barry_T_Coles on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:42pm

on 06/28/07 at 19:48:38, Jonny wrote:
http://imgsrv.wrko.com/image/wrko/UserFiles/bk.jpg


Thank god for that! I thought for a terible moment you where talking about the great Pommy Police show THE BILL

Phew
Cheers
Barry
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by ClusterChuck on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:47pm

on 06/28/07 at 16:18:48, Jonny wrote:
There is a God!


WOOHOO !!!!!!!!!!

Maybe there actually ARE one or two politicians with one or two brain cells!!!


on 06/28/07 at 16:18:48, Jonny wrote:
*Happy dance* (a really cool looking happy dance)


Are you doin' it NEKKID ?? ?? ??

Chuck
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by UN solved on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:42pm
I thought somebody killed Bill !  ;;D

But seriously, we need to draw a line around this country and declare it a 'firing line'. One step across that line and BAM ...... BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM !!  [smiley=laugh.gif]

Or they could come in the legal way !!

UNsolved
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by JeffB on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:04am

on 06/28/07 at 23:42:02, UN solved wrote:
I thought somebody killed Bill !  ;;D

But seriously, we need to draw a line around this country and declare it a 'firing line'. One step across that line and BAM ...... BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM !!  [smiley=laugh.gif]

Or they could come in the legal way !!

UNsolved


Works for every other country in the world!
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:06am

on 06/29/07 at 02:04:18, JeffB wrote:
Works for every other country in the world!


Please name a single democracy that has such a policy.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Mosaicwench on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:02am

on 06/29/07 at 03:06:47, Klusterkopf wrote:
Please name a single democracy that has such a policy.


The US is  a REPUBLIC - at least get your facts straight.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by BarbaraD on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:19am
Don't rest YET children... NOW we have to see that they ENFORCE some laws that are ALREADY in place!

And don't forget to say "thank you" to the nice Congress for NOT passing this ignorant bill. They need a pat on the head when the actually DO something worth while.

Hugs BD
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:53am

on 06/29/07 at 07:02:12, Mosaicwench wrote:
The US is  a REPUBLIC - at least get your facts straight.


The former Soviet Union was a republic as well, but the US is a DEMOCRATIC Republic, a democracy, so my question stands.  Can you name another democracy, republic or not, that shoots people attempting to enter?  Or perhaps, from the tone of your answer, you would rather that the US not be democratic?
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by michael on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:02am
Klusterkopf, this is a place for tongue-in-cheek banter.

I would be seriously worried about that brain op you are supposed to have had.

Mike
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Brewcrew on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:02am
For the benefit of new people, klusterkopf is our resident troll.    
 
He serves no purpose except to confuse, obfuscate and distress posters while providing a wealth of misinformation of his own.    

The best response to him is no response. All we do is inform people as best we can that his posts are unsound.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Ghost on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:50am
[smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=bigguns.gif] [smiley=biggrin.gif] [smiley=shore.gif] [smiley=sayyes.gif] [smiley=smug.gif] [smiley=cowboy.gif]
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Ghost on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:56am
Isn't Mexico a democracy of sorts? Immigrants there have no rights. They can be detained and even exicuted if they deem it so. limited extradition agreements. they do however allow those traveling through to the us a free pass as long as they leave there. Those wanting to stay are treated as felons. so the answer is YES!

Mike
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:39am

on 06/29/07 at 08:56:11, Ghost wrote:
Isn't Mexico a democracy of sorts? Immigrants there have no rights. They can be detained and even exicuted if they deem it so. limited extradition agreements. they do however allow those traveling through to the us a free pass as long as they leave there. Those wanting to stay are treated as felons. so the answer is YES!

Mike


So you would rather that the US not be a democratic state?  It was difficult to make out the meaning of what you wrote [smiley=huh.gif].
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Maffumatt on Jun 29th, 2007, 11:38am
::)

http://searchviews.com/archives/fraud5.jpg
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by burnt-toast on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:00pm
Copied from one of my previoius posts.

The founder’s loathed democracies for their unrestrained corruption, mob rule, unchallenged power of omnipotent central governments, suppression of individual rights and freedoms, division of citizenry/social classes, and history of collapse in chaos and bureaucracy.  Statements of the founder’s are clear – they did not establish a democracy nor did they intend the United States ever become a democracy.  

The word "democracy" appears nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, the two most fundamental documents of our nation. Instead the Constitution's Article IV, Section 4, guarantees "to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."  Our pledge of allegiance is "to the republic for which it stands," not "to the democracy for which it stands" and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" is not "The Battle Hymn of the Democracy".  
   
In a democracy, majorities rule either directly or indirectly through control of elected representatives. As in a monarchy, the law is whatever the government determines it to be, laws are not universal or stable, and do not represent logic or reason – only the current will of the majority.   Laws become the power to restrain individual and minority rights while empowering government through an omnipotent majority.  Rights and freedoms become privileges and permissions granted injudiciously by those with power and can be rescinded without challenge.  In democracies there are no Constitutional limits on the legislature or standard of justice.  It is correct to say that democracy offers no protection, rights or freedoms to individuals or the minority.  Every whim of the majority is law no matter how whimsical, arbitrary, tyrannous, or totalitarian. Citizens are obligated to government without right of redress, while government's only obligations to citizens are those defined for it by the majority.
 
The founder’s established a Republican form of government that limited powers of government and the majority to preserve (as the founder’s put it) individual, God-given, unalienable rights.  Nothing in our Constitution makes government the grantor of rights.  Instead the Constitution and Bill of Rights puts into practice the principals of the Declaration of Independence granting government only "just powers," and “limited powers” and binding government to protect individual, God-given, unalienable rights.  The founder’s vision was a system common written laws governing citizens - immune from the influence of snob-rule, a governing elite, and mob-rule that historically suppressed individual rights and freedoms for the benefit of the elite.      
 
I am appalled to hear elected representatives and people freely refer to our form of government as a democracy.  Damn democracy, it is a fraudulent term used, by ignorant persons and more often by intellectual fakers pushing an infamous mixture of socialism, communism, graft, confiscation of property, and suppression of individual rights and freedoms to establish an elite class of society.  

Tom    
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Callico on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:18pm

on 06/29/07 at 14:00:16, burnt-toast wrote:
Copied from one of my previoius posts.

The founder’s loathed democracies for their unrestrained corruption, mob rule, unchallenged power of omnipotent central governments, suppression of individual rights and freedoms, division of citizenry/social classes, and history of collapse in chaos and bureaucracy.  Statements of the founder’s are clear – they did not establish a democracy nor did they intend the United States ever become a democracy.  

The word "democracy" appears nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, the two most fundamental documents of our nation. Instead the Constitution's Article IV, Section 4, guarantees "to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."  Our pledge of allegiance is "to the republic for which it stands," not "to the democracy for which it stands" and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" is not "The Battle Hymn of the Democracy".  
   
In a democracy, majorities rule either directly or indirectly through control of elected representatives. As in a monarchy, the law is whatever the government determines it to be, laws are not universal or stable, and do not represent logic or reason – only the current will of the majority.   Laws become the power to restrain individual and minority rights while empowering government through an omnipotent majority.  Rights and freedoms become privileges and permissions granted injudiciously by those with power and can be rescinded without challenge.  In democracies there are no Constitutional limits on the legislature or standard of justice.  It is correct to say that democracy offers no protection, rights or freedoms to individuals or the minority.  Every whim of the majority is law no matter how whimsical, arbitrary, tyrannous, or totalitarian. Citizens are obligated to government without right of redress, while government's only obligations to citizens are those defined for it by the majority.
 
The founder’s established a Republican form of government that limited powers of government and the majority to preserve (as the founder’s put it) individual, God-given, unalienable rights.  Nothing in our Constitution makes government the grantor of rights.  Instead the Constitution and Bill of Rights puts into practice the principals of the Declaration of Independence granting government only "just powers," and “limited powers” and binding government to protect individual, God-given, unalienable rights.  The founder’s vision was a system common written laws governing citizens - immune from the influence of snob-rule, a governing elite, and mob-rule that historically suppressed individual rights and freedoms for the benefit of the elite.      
 
I am appalled to hear elected representatives and people freely refer to our form of government as a democracy.  Damn democracy, it is a fraudulent term used, by ignorant persons and more often by intellectual fakers pushing an infamous mixture of socialism, communism, graft, confiscation of property, and suppression of individual rights and freedoms to establish an elite class of society.  

Tom    


Fifty years ago this was taught in Civics classes , but with the dumbing down of American education by the elites our system is supposed to protect us from, it is no longer taught.  This has opened the door for those wishing to wrest control of the country from the very people who give the limited powers to the government.  Now the important thing is to be politically correct, a term taken from the Soviet government of the 60's.Jerry
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:14pm

on 06/29/07 at 14:00:16, burnt-toast wrote:
Copied from one of my previoius posts.

The founder’s loathed democracies for their unrestrained corruption, mob rule, unchallenged power of omnipotent central governments, suppression of individual rights and freedoms, division of citizenry/social classes, and history of collapse in chaos and bureaucracy.  Statements of the founder’s are clear – they did not establish a democracy nor did they intend the United States ever become a democracy.  

The word "democracy" appears nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, the two most fundamental documents of our nation. Instead the Constitution's Article IV, Section 4, guarantees "to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."  Our pledge of allegiance is "to the republic for which it stands," not "to the democracy for which it stands" and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" is not "The Battle Hymn of the Democracy".  
   
In a democracy, majorities rule either directly or indirectly through control of elected representatives. As in a monarchy, the law is whatever the government determines it to be, laws are not universal or stable, and do not represent logic or reason – only the current will of the majority.   Laws become the power to restrain individual and minority rights while empowering government through an omnipotent majority.  Rights and freedoms become privileges and permissions granted injudiciously by those with power and can be rescinded without challenge.  In democracies there are no Constitutional limits on the legislature or standard of justice.  It is correct to say that democracy offers no protection, rights or freedoms to individuals or the minority.  Every whim of the majority is law no matter how whimsical, arbitrary, tyrannous, or totalitarian. Citizens are obligated to government without right of redress, while government's only obligations to citizens are those defined for it by the majority.
 
The founder’s established a Republican form of government that limited powers of government and the majority to preserve (as the founder’s put it) individual, God-given, unalienable rights.  Nothing in our Constitution makes government the grantor of rights.  Instead the Constitution and Bill of Rights puts into practice the principals of the Declaration of Independence granting government only "just powers," and “limited powers” and binding government to protect individual, God-given, unalienable rights.  The founder’s vision was a system common written laws governing citizens - immune from the influence of snob-rule, a governing elite, and mob-rule that historically suppressed individual rights and freedoms for the benefit of the elite.      
 
I am appalled to hear elected representatives and people freely refer to our form of government as a democracy.  Damn democracy, it is a fraudulent term used, by ignorant persons and more often by intellectual fakers pushing an infamous mixture of socialism, communism, graft, confiscation of property, and suppression of individual rights and freedoms to establish an elite class of society.  

Tom    


You have stopped taking your Haldol again, haven't you Tom. :P
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by deltadarlin on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:16pm
And for once, Louisiana has something/someone they can be proud of, US Senator, David Vitter.  Senator Vitter argued vehemently against the passage of this bill (both times) both in Congress and on the air (he was a guest on several programs that I caught) and has been given accolades for convincing others to follow his lead and veto this bill.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Callico on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:18pm
Senator Vitter is definately one you can be proud of.  I look forward to hearing more from him.

jc
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Charlie on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:34pm

Quote:
The former Soviet Union was a republic as well, but the US is a DEMOCRATIC Republic, a democracy, so my question stands.  Can you name another democracy, republic or not, that shoots people attempting to enter?  Or perhaps, from the tone of your answer, you would rather that the US not be democratic


Shut up idiot. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/jerkoff.gif

What a bunch. They gave themselves a pay raise too while telling us not to expect much. I don't.

Bill Maher, at a Buffalo show, said that only Congress could come up with a 700 mile fence for a 2,100 border. Of course his idea is to build a 2,100 mile Walmart along the border. Wide open on the southern side but on the northern side, there would be only one check out....like there is now. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/hapoint.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Kevin_M on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:17pm
Tom, (burnt-toast)

It is always good to post a link or reference from where you have been copying other's words, before signing your name after a post.  Noticeably so.


Your second paragraph:


Quote:
The word "democracy" appears nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution, the two most fundamental documents of our nation. Instead the Constitution's Article IV, Section 4, guarantees "to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."  Our pledge of allegiance is "to the republic for which it stands," not "to the democracy for which it stands" and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" is not "The Battle Hymn of the Democracy".



from this article:

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4080


Quote:
The word democracy appears nowhere in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution -- two most fundamental documents of our nation. Instead of a democracy, the Constitution's Article IV, Section 4, guarantees "to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government."

Moreover, let's ask ourselves: Does our pledge of allegiance to the flag say to "the democracy for which it stands," or does it say to "the republic for which it stands"? Or do we sing "The Battle Hymn of the Democracy" or "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"?




good information brought to the table though.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by burnt-toast on Jun 29th, 2007, 9:43pm

on 06/29/07 at 20:17:15, Kevin_M wrote:
Tom, (burnt-toast)

It is always good to post a link or reference from where you have been copying other's words, before signing your name after a post.  Noticeably so.


Your second paragraph:



from this article:

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4080




good information brought to the table though.


Good point, Sorry folks, will watch my cut & paste more closely.

Tom  
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by UN solved on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:12pm
If someone entered my property, they're trespassing ... they can leave or get shot ! Why shouldn't the country do the same ?

http://www.westforthsports.com/ProductImages/signs/private-property-trespassing.jpg


http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/KLN/SM135.jpg


UNsolved  [smiley=bigguns.gif]
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 30th, 2007, 12:54am

on 06/29/07 at 22:12:28, UN solved wrote:
If someone entered my property, they're trespassing ... they can leave or get shot ! Why shouldn't the country do the same ?

Therein lies the problem, bro.  Somewhere along the line immigrating to America stopped being a dream and started being a right.  

Its a shame
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by UN solved on Jun 30th, 2007, 2:01am
Have you all met "granny' yet ??  lmao   [smiley=laugh.gif]

She'll shoot you in the 'toodles' !  lol

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1144343107

UNsolved
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by BarbaraD on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:36am
There's a SIMPLE solution to this problem... (Simple being the opertive word -- not used in DC)

When and American works in another country WE get a WORK VISA - which allows us to work in that country - simple. The country approves it and KNOWS we're there for X number of months. When our visa is up WE LEAVE to either renew the visa or stay out. If asked we SHOW the visa along with our passport. It's not a problem.

How hard would this be for these "guest workers" to obtain a passport and a visa to work in OUR country if they really want to do so?

That would NOT permit them to have medical care, social security, etc. It would just ALLOW them work status here. Anything else they PAY for just like we would if we were working "legally" in their country.

If this works in the rest of the world WHY the hell can't it work in OUR country?

Hugs BD
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:25am

on 06/30/07 at 05:36:06, BarbaraD wrote:
There's a SIMPLE solution to this problem... (Simple being the opertive word -- not used in DC)

When and American works in another country WE get a WORK VISA - which allows us to work in that country - simple. The country approves it and KNOWS we're there for X number of months. When our visa is up WE LEAVE to either renew the visa or stay out. If asked we SHOW the visa along with our passport. It's not a problem.

How hard would this be for these "guest workers" to obtain a passport and a visa to work in OUR country if they really want to do so?

That would NOT permit them to have medical care, social security, etc. It would just ALLOW them work status here. Anything else they PAY for just like we would if we were working "legally" in their country.

If this works in the rest of the world WHY the hell can't it work in OUR country?

Hugs BD


The illegal immigrants, mostly from Mexico, are fleeing desparate poverty, are generally uneducated and could never afford the price of a passport and work visa, nor could they even get a work visa as they are unskilled labor.  The jobs that they get are primarily agricultural or other low paying jobs that Americans will not take.  If every illegal immigrant were sent back and no more allowed in-let us say that you're version of the Berlin Wall gets built-you would find that the prices of your fruits and vegetables would skyrocket and rich people would have a difficult time getting maids, gardners, etc.  The illegal immigrants do not take from your society-they are afraid of any government contact as it would mean that they would be sent back from wence they came-but taxes are deducted from their sub standard wages.  Were the jobs not available, they would not come to your land and those American companies that hire them know that they are illegal but since they can increase their profits, they will never agree to stopping the migration.  The illegal immigrants do not lead a life of luxury-they do hard, dirty work, get paid little, but still that is better than life in the countries that they have left.  While illegal immigration is an apparent problem for your country, it would not be so widespread without the colusion of the corporations that knowingly employ them and the politicians who get contributions from these corporations.  For once I agreed with your president-his proposed immigration bill made sense and was humanitarian, but he is a lame duck and so it was defeated.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by JenniferD on Jun 30th, 2007, 8:52am
Barb, I think you said it best in you post from May 25..


on 05/25/07 at 08:35:42, BarbaraD wrote:
"Let's Say I Break Into Your House.............."


A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!!!
It explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV.

Her point:
Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests:

Let's say I break into your house.

Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave.  But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do.
I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters:
*       You are Required to let me stay in your house
*       You are Required to add me to your family's insurance plan
*       You are Required to educate my kids
*       You are Required to Provide other benefits to me and to my family   (my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also    hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.

It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself.
I'm a hard-working and honest person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house.

And what a deal it is for me!!!
I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior.

Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!!
so you can communicate with me.

Why can't people see how ridiculous this is?! Only in America....if you agree, pass it on (in English). Share it if you see the value of it.  

If not blow it off......... along with your future Social Security funds, and a lot of other things.


Nuff said
Hugs BD



I loved that post!

Finally it seems, someone is listening.  Ok, perhaps just a little.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by michael on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:04am
Jennifer, this is not just in America, this is a major problem in the UK also.

We are only a small nation, but we seem to be the promised land for most of Eastern Europe!

Mike
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 30th, 2007, 10:51am
I find it odd that America, a country where everyone's ancestors (Native Americans excepted) were immigrants,  some people are so hostile towards new immigrants-though I doubt that, were the "illegals" English or Irish or German, etc., there would not be such an outcry.  I believe that it is because the new immigrants are not Caucasian that there is such an outcry, for they take only the lowest paying, dirtiest jobs and they do not harm your economy.  Maybe you forget that in the 1800s and early 1900s, the largest period of immigration to America, each group was discriminated against until a new group appeared.  Did you know that it was largely imported Chinese labor that built your railroads and their reward was to be sent back to China-they were only tolerated so long as they could be used.  Study your history, or perhaps ignorance is bliss for some of you.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Jonny on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:08pm
For the benefit of new people, Klusterkopf is our resident troll.      
   
He serves no purpose except to confuse, obfuscate and distress posters while providing a wealth of misinformation of his own.  
 
The best response to him is no response. All we do is inform people as best we can that his posts are unsound.  

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Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:17pm

on 06/30/07 at 13:08:55, Jonny wrote:
For the benefit of new people, Klusterkopf is our resident troll.      
   
He serves no purpose except to confuse, obfuscate and distress posters while providing a wealth of misinformation of his own.  
 
The best response to him is no response. All we do is inform people as best we can that his posts are unsound.  

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Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Shedz on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:20pm
Odd that, cos we all feel the same about you.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:28pm

on 06/30/07 at 13:20:58, Shedz wrote:
Odd that, cos we all feel the same about you.

Odd sod you are!
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Shedz on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:33pm
Whatever, odd and proud of it ;;D ;;D ;;D
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Sandy_C on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:38pm
Just read a blurb in the paper.....  

Our wonderful, all powerful, all knowing government built a 1.5 mile wall made of steel tubes, embedded in the ground and filled with concrete to protect a section of our border with Mexico.

Guess what?  They built this wall on MEXICAN SOIL!  From 1 to 6 feet INSIDE the Mexican border.  

We now are going to have to spend about $3 million to tear it down and rebuild it again!

If I weren't crying at the sheer stupidity of our own government, I would be laughing my A$$ off.

But, seriously, the only thing we need to do right now is secure our borders,  on all sides.  Everyone and anyone wanting to come in must do so legally, with valid, verifiable documentation.  This includes you and me, Mr. and Mrs. American Citizen.  If we go out of the country on vacation, we had better have valid passports to re-enter our country.  Just about every other country in the world requires this, why not the US?  

Once our borders are more secure, and we decrease the influx of illegals, then we can concentrate on what to do with the ones already here.  That's a whole separate subject, and we should not even attempt to lump them together in to one massive piece of legislation.

Let's get the horse in front of the cart.

Off soapbox now

Sandy
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Jonny on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:46pm

on 06/30/07 at 15:38:29, Sandy_C wrote:
But, seriously, the only thing we need to do right now is secure our borders,  on all sides.  Everyone and anyone wanting to come in must do so legally, with valid, verifiable documentation.  This includes you and me, Mr. and Mrs. American Citizen.  If we go out of the country on vacation, we had better have valid passports to re-enter our country.  Just about every other country in the world requires this, why not the US?  

Once our borders are more secure, and we decrease the influx of illegals, then we can concentrate on what to do with the ones already here.  That's a whole separate subject, and we should not even attempt to lump them together in to one massive piece of legislation.


Thats the thinking we need in a president....its too bad not one of these fucks running for the job has that thinking!

Great post, Sandy!!  :-*
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Brewcrew on Jun 30th, 2007, 4:44pm

on 06/30/07 at 13:17:16, Klusterkopf wrote:
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Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Redd on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:14pm

on 06/30/07 at 16:44:14, Brewcrew wrote:
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Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Jonny on Jun 30th, 2007, 5:14pm
Do you know why this bill died?

Because the taxpayers flooded the damn phone lines.....these fucks couldnt even call out.

Vote against anyone of these fucks that voted for it if they are up for re-election.......they are useless!....and they want to GIVE this country away!
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by UN solved on Jul 1st, 2007, 11:21am

on 06/30/07 at 10:51:14, Klusterkopf wrote:
 I believe that it is because the new immigrants are not Caucasian that there is such an outcry, for they take only the lowest paying, dirtiest jobs and they do not harm your economy.


Another RIDICULOUS statement !  ::)

Why / how whould a "German" know so much about the USA and about how the American people feel and act ?

UNsolved
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Klusterkopf on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:20pm

on 07/01/07 at 11:21:47, UN solved wrote:
Another RIDICULOUS statement !  ::)

Why / how whould a "German" know so much about the USA and about how the American people feel and act ?

UNsolved


I have American friends, I read American publications, I have visited your wonderful country.  Believe it or not, in Europe we also have the internet, can purchase American publications and even get your TV with satellite dishes-we are actually quite modern (our autos can also drive faster than yours!).
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Jonny on Jul 1st, 2007, 12:44pm
For the benefit of new people, Klusterkopf is our resident troll.  
     
He serves no purpose except to confuse, obfuscate and distress posters while providing a wealth of misinformation of his own.  
   
The best response to him is no response. All we do is inform people as best we can that his posts are unsound.  
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Brewcrew on Jul 1st, 2007, 1:05pm
I'm sorry, Jonny. I didn't quite catch that. Did you say:


Quote:
For the benefit of new people, Klusterkopf is our resident troll.  
 
He serves no purpose except to confuse, obfuscate and distress posters while providing a wealth of misinformation of his own.    
   
The best response to him is no response. All we do is inform people as best we can that his posts are unsound.


Okay. I thought that's what you said. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Jonny on Jul 1st, 2007, 4:58pm

on 07/01/07 at 13:05:58, Brewcrew wrote:
Okay. I thought that's what you said. Thanks!


No prob, buddy....thats what im here for....LOL ;;D
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Barry_T_Coles on Jul 1st, 2007, 9:39pm
Copy of an Email that was sent to me this morning & gave me an insite.
Cheers
Barry

Unedited.


Subject: From the US. What the Heck is happening to OUR COUNTRY????



From a friend in the USA.  





What the Heck is happening to OUR COUNTRY????

I am hoping you have the opportunity to read this e- mail regarding the utter frustration we as English-speaking Americans  experience on a daily basis.  

This is an experience that happened to my wife.  Today, April 1, 2007, in Denver County Traffic Court,   Denver, Colorado
She had to appear in traffic court as a result of a speeding ticket. She was speeding and knew she would have a fine to pay.
We have no problem with that.

The rest of the court experience, however, is something we should all stand up and take exception to and ask what is happening to the United States?

She was asked to be in court by 4:30PM today, with which she complied.

However, when she got there, it was announced that all non-English speaking persons with traffic violations would be taken care of first.
The reasoning being that the interpreter leaves every day at the same time and does not stay late.
So a reward for not speaking English is one gets to go the front of the line.

Next, the non-English speaking individuals do not have driver's licenses or insurance. Never was it asked why they did not have licenses, what they were doing to get licenses or insurance. What they were given for  
driving without a license was a $35 fine.

Since many of them did not have $35 they were also
given payment terms. So, they are granted another reward for not having the money to pay the fines.  

My wife, who was born in Denver, Colorado, raised here, and lived here all her life, was given a $249 fine for her speeding ticket, was not given payment terms, and had to wait until all the non-speaking, aliens were treated first.

If I understand this correctly:
* Let's never require the non -English speaking individuals who  
live in this country to learn English.
* Let's never require they become citizens of this United States of
America.
* Let's never require them to ever get driver's licenses and pray  
they never  kill someone on the road with their driving.
* Let's never require they get automobile insurance,  so that all  
of us who do  will pay higher and higher premiums.
* Let's make sure that those of us who do get  injured by these
individuals and; pay higher and higher health insurance premiums
* Let's make sure those who can pay their fines, pay big ones to  
subsidize all those $35 fines on payment plans.
* Let's make sure we never inconvenience them and let's never
inconvenience  the interpreters in this country who may have to  
work late.

Our Country is eroding every day right before our eyes. No  
country in the world has ever survived having 2 major languages. We are heading  
down that path.

(I have removed the sender's name and address for privacy reasons)
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by rolo65 on Jul 1st, 2007, 10:24pm
The same sort of thing happened to me at the CA DMV.

They had two interpreters that did not take English people in line in order. They kept on taking Spanish speaking people only and calling them out of line. And oh yea they did speak English, just not for us waiting in line!

What a county for them (first in line status for everything)! Total BS! That’s our democracy in action going nowhere for Americans.

Roland.
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by burnt-toast on Jul 2nd, 2007, 8:55am
Keep your speed dials and emails handy our sellout Senator's aren't done yet.  The bill is once more being resurrected to force yet another vote in early July.  This time sellout legislators are pushing for limited debate and public disclosure prior to forcing this corrupt legislation through.  If anyone ever votes to re-elect a Senator that votes yes - they need ther head examined.      

If you believe Illegal Aliens/Guest Workers provide labor for agricultural and “unwanted” U.S. jobs – guess again, cheap labor and artificial manipulation of U.S. salaries is the goal.  Microsoft and a host of large technology/professional services employers lobbied heavily for the bill, why?  To once again increase the number of H-1B temporary work visas available each year.  

The Senate titled this measure – “A bill to provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes”.  Face value - little more than another grant of amnesty to uncontrolled waves of criminals and usual legislative fraud of piling as much graft into every bill as needed to buy enough votes to pass it while accommodating special interests funding legislative sell out of U.S. Citizens.

H-1Bs Visas are available in limited quantity each year with PERM (Program Electronic Review Management) certification required to ensure qualified U.S. workers are hired before hiring imported foreign workers.  But a Pittsburgh law firm let the cat out of the bag when it produced videos advising employers on how to exploit loopholes in PERM to hire only foreign workers.        

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_514730.html  the Pittsburgh Tribune Review ran this editorial and the law firm removed the videos from it’s website  but a tech. group posted videos (I haven’t seen on YouTube) by law firm Cohen & Grigsby "Hot Topics in Immigration Law” offering free legal tips and practical solutions for hiring overseas professionals and bypassing qualified U.S. workers when foreign labor is preferred.

Sen. Charles Grassley – D-Iowa and Rep. Lamar Smith  - R-Texas, asked the labor department to investigate "blatant disregard for American workers." and asked the labor department to prove it investigates fraud.   http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2151009,00.asp  
 
The videos explain how employers can hire foreign professionals under PERM by fraudulently evidencing that no qualified U.S. workers are available.  An executive with the firm offers his team to help employers bypass U.S. workers by advertising in regional publications of limited circulation while internally listing jobs as slotted for foreign workers to comply with law but discourage qualified U.S. applicants.  

"Our goal here, of course, is to meet the requirements No. 1, but also do so as inexpensively as possible … and our goal is clearly not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker,"  "We're complying with the law fully, but our objective is to get this person a green card, and to get through the labor certification process, so certainly we are not going to try to find the place where the applicants are going to be the most numerous; we're going to try to find a place where, again, we're complying with the law and hoping and likely not to find a qualified or interested worker applicant"

Maybe your hard earned and once secure “Professional” job/salary will be the next sold out to cheap foreign labor and greatest threat to U.S. Citizens - Government by the corporation for the corporation.

Tom
Title: Re: Ding dong the bill is dead! :)
Post by Charlie on Jul 2nd, 2007, 10:08am
How nice.  >:(

It all boils down to incredibly cheap labor and of course both parties are terrified of losing the Hispanic vote. It's American politics on the cheap.

Not bad Tom.

Charlie


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