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(Message started by: Jonny on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:00pm)
Title: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Jonny on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:00pm
Iran Petrol Protests Turn Violent In Tehran

At least five gas stations were set on fire by angry motorists in the Iranian capital, Tehran, today in protest against a government decision to begin rationing fuel. Long lines of cars formed at gas stations last night as people attempted to fill their gas tanks ahead of the midnight imposition of the rationing plan.

Eyewitnesses say motorists threw stones at some petrol stations and shouted slogans denouncing President Mahmud Ahmadinejad.

Similar incidents have been taking place in other Iranian cities, including Ahwaz, Esfahan, Kazaj, and Tabriz.

According to unconfirmed reports, a woman was killed today during violence outside a petrol station in Tehran.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a69_1182961380

Am I wrong or dont they have more gas than anyone on this planet?

....................................Jonny
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Sean_C on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:04pm

on 06/27/07 at 20:00:32, Jonny wrote:
Am I wrong or dont they have more gas than anyone on this planet?


Thier conserving fuel for the future war with the US. Its inevitable, sooner or later, unless Jimmy Carter runs for President of course.  ;;D
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Rosybabe on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:10pm
[smiley=laugh.gif]They will have to use persian camel poop to make gas  [smiley=laugh.gif]HalaHalaHala  ;;D
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by andrewjb on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:14pm

on 06/27/07 at 20:10:52, Rosybabe wrote:
[smiley=laugh.gif]They will have to use persian camel poop to make gas  [smiley=laugh.gif]HalaHalaHala  ;;D

[smiley=laugh.gif]. andrew.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Jonny on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:34pm
There is a large faction in Iran that hates the goverment and how its run,. This rationing of what they have may be a turning point.

What do I know?......Im no Jimmy Cater.....LOL ;;D
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Charlie on Jun 28th, 2007, 2:02am
That PITA in Venezuela is having the same kind of problem according to CNN. His "oil men" don't know much about oil and are so corrupt that local refining is no concern to them. Just money.
Aww...  http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/hissyfit.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by deltadarlin on Jun 28th, 2007, 10:32am
Nope, Jonny, Iran does NOT have more gas than anybody on this planet.   Yes, they do have oil and natural gas in abundance, but they import about 40% of the gasoline they use.  At this point they don't have the refining capacity they need to produce what gasoline the country needs,

'darlin
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by BobG on Jun 28th, 2007, 9:52pm

on 06/28/07 at 10:32:46, deltadarlin wrote:
they don't have the refining capacity they need to produce what gasoline the country needs,

'darlin

You're right, 'darlin. Just like in the good ol' U.S.A.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by UN solved on Jun 28th, 2007, 11:33pm
No, we'll still have to deal with Iran's goverment and their soon ability to produce nuclear weapons. Their president cannot be allowed to be in charge of a bomb. Even if that means an all out war and invasion. The US won't allow it and neither will Israel.

UNsolved
BTW, Iran's president has said that Iran will be out of oil in about 30 years.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by JeffB on Jun 29th, 2007, 2:00am

on 06/27/07 at 20:04:45, Sean_C wrote:
Thier conserving fuel for the future war with the US. Its inevitable, sooner or later, unless Jimmy Carter runs for President of course.  ;;D



They have oil but can't refine it. They import a bunch of gas, now they are in bed with Chavez.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 29th, 2007, 3:44am

on 06/28/07 at 23:33:11, UN solved wrote:
No, we'll still have to deal with Iran's goverment and their soon ability to produce nuclear weapons. Their president cannot be allowed to be in charge of a bomb. Even if that means an all out war and invasion. The US won't allow it and neither will Israel.

UNsolved
BTW, Iran's president has said that Iran will be out of oil in about 30 years.


The US military is already seriously overextended in Iraq (yesterday's CNN.com) and that is causing serious problems for the US troops-virtually back to back tours of duty there are a strain on the troops, their families and the resources needed to support them (cost to US since the invasion appx. 500 billion dollars).  An invasion of Iran is not possible logistically and the US cannot sustain its occupation of Iraq AND go to war with Iran.  You would have to reinstate the draft and put the US in an economic situation similar to WWII-rationing of food, gas, oil, etc.  I do not think that Mr. Bush or the Houses of Congress would go down that path, nor would the people of the US, the majority of whom now want to get your troops out of Iraq, support such an invasion (and the US economy would be seriously damaged as well).  Aside from, perhaps, token amounts of troops from some allies, the US would be alone; with Brown now in charge in the UK, British troops will probably be either withdrawn or reduced to a symbolic presence in Iraq within the next year or so.  Let the Iranian people take care of their incompetent leadership themselves; any outside invasion, US or anyone else, would unite that country and it would be a very, very bloody war.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by LeLimey on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:09am

on 06/29/07 at 03:44:51, Klusterkopf wrote:
 Aside from, perhaps, token amounts of troops from some allies, the US would be alone; with Brown now in charge in the UK, British troops will probably be either withdrawn or reduced to a symbolic presence in Iraq within the next year or so.  


And where do you get this idea?
Do you really think that we don't feel threatened too?
Have you forgotten the bombings here?

About the only troops in the UK are those on ceremonial duties such as changing the guard etc and make no mistake - they are REAL soldiers. Most of our military are abroad be it in Northern Ireland, Nato peace-keeping positions, Cyprus, Germany, Bosnia, Afghanistan and the middle East and you can be damn sure I've left plenty of other places out. We are a small country, we don't have the capacity for huge volumes of troops but one thing we don't do is leave our allies backs uncovered. We never have. The US and the UK are probably the closest allies there are and that isn't about to change.

If you are going to make statements like this please have something with which to back up your scaremongering CRAP.


edited to add:  Why don't you take note of the "Bomb defused in Central London" thread and then tell me again Brown will pull out?  ::)
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Buzz on Jun 29th, 2007, 4:17am
Hmmmm. The majority of the UK electorate want our troops out of Iraq.  That is one of the main reasons why Blair is no longer PM.  I doubt whether Brown will immediately withdraw our troops, but he will start doing it... He has an election just around the corner.

The "liberation of Iraq" has been an unmitigated disaster for all those involved. Regardless of the way it is described, a withdrawl is the only option.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:53am

on 06/29/07 at 04:09:23, LeLimey wrote:
And where do you get this idea?
Do you really think that we don't feel threatened too?
Have you forgotten the bombings here?

About the only troops in the UK are those on ceremonial duties such as changing the guard etc and make no mistake - they are REAL soldiers. Most of our military are abroad be it in Northern Ireland, Nato peace-keeping positions, Cyprus, Germany, Bosnia, Afghanistan and the middle East and you can be damn sure I've left plenty of other places out. We are a small country, we don't have the capacity for huge volumes of troops but one thing we don't do is leave our allies backs uncovered. We never have. The US and the UK are probably the closest allies there are and that isn't about to change.

If you are going to make statements like this please have something with which to back up your scaremongering CRAP.


edited to add:  Why don't you take note of the "Bomb defused in Central London" thread and then tell me again Brown will pull out?  ::)


See Buzz's post...that is the reality of the chance that the UK troops will remain in Iraq-a democracy cannot fight a war when the majority of its citizens don't support the war.  Bush got the US into Iraq by lying-well proven by now, even stated by Colin Powell who justified the US invasion then later discovered that he had been lied to by Bush, Cheney and company.  The troops there are caught up in a civil war and that, dear lady, is an untenable position to be in.  The coalition got rid of Suddam and Company, set up the operational structure for a democracy and should now leave and let the various factions fight for power-and I'll bet that the end result will not be a democratic government.  It is time to cut losses-how many more young men and woman must die or be wounded or maimed to support an unpopular, corrupt government that wouldn't be there were it not for the foreign troops?  Unless the US and Britain, the main Western players, want to commit virtually all of their troops and be willing to remain in Iraq for a decade or so, they cannot "win".  The rivalries between the Sunnis and the Shihites go back over a thousand years and Western troops are not going to make it go away.

Regarding the bomb difused in London, I do not think that that will affect Brown's position about bringing your troops home.  There is a case to be made that the reason for the bomb(s) and plots to plant bombs in the US and UK is because we are in Iraq.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Paul98 on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:10am

on 06/29/07 at 05:53:41, Klusterkopf wrote:
~Bush got the US into Iraq by lying-well proven by now, even stated by Colin Powell~

~should now leave and let the various factions fight for power~It is time to cut losses~


I guess you are privy to information that the rest of the world is not privy to...Or is it that you have repeated your wish often enough that is carved in granite trough to you.  As far as cut and run, just what do you think will happen in Iraq if all troups departed?  You think maybe it might become another Afganistan except this time the terrorists would control vast resources of oil.  

Yea, bring the troups home and the terrorists woun't hate us anymore.....LOL

-P.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Brewcrew on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:41am
For the benefit of new people, Klusterkopf is our resident troll.    
   
He serves no purpose except to confuse, obfuscate and distress posters while providing a wealth of misinformation of his own.      
 
The best response to him is no response. All we do is inform people as best we can that his posts are unsound.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by aprilbee on Jun 29th, 2007, 10:46am

on 06/29/07 at 10:10:30, Paul98 wrote:
I guess you are privy to information that the rest of the world is not privy to...Or is it that you have repeated your wish often enough that is carved in granite trough to you.  As far as cut and run, just what do you think will happen in Iraq if all troups departed?  You think maybe it might become another Afganistan except this time the terrorists would control vast resources of oil.  

Yea, bring the troups home and the terrorists woun't hate us anymore.....LOL

-P.


I 100% agree!  As long as we are over there, they are not over here....the ignorance of a "cut and run" attitude is that the US will be overrun and anyone who says we should "let iraq fight for themselvs", obviously doesn't know anyone on the military fighting this war...its more than just a war with iraq, against iran or controling oil....its fighting terrorism and I belive the ONLY place to fight this war is on their soil....NOT over in the US, if we "cut and run" they will find a way to get to us over here and we will be in a state of marshal law I believe....yeah, we have a right to carry guns here, but they don't do much good against car bombs and planes flying into buildings....

**stepping off my soap box now*** :-X
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 29th, 2007, 5:49pm

on 06/29/07 at 10:46:47, aprilbee wrote:
I 100% agree!  As long as we are over there, they are not over here....the ignorance of a "cut and run" attitude is that the US will be overrun and anyone who says we should "let iraq fight for themselvs", obviously doesn't know anyone on the military fighting this war...its more than just a war with iraq, against iran or controling oil....its fighting terrorism and I belive the ONLY place to fight this war is on their soil....NOT over in the US, if we "cut and run" they will find a way to get to us over here and we will be in a state of marshal law I believe....yeah, we have a right to carry guns here, but they don't do much good against car bombs and planes flying into buildings....

**stepping off my soap box now*** :-X

Who is going to "over run" the US and how are they going to get there?  A fleet of dhows or will they charter airliners and fly over (first class, of course)? [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Jonny on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:08pm
For the benefit of new people, klusterkopf is our resident troll.    
   
He serves no purpose except to confuse, obfuscate and distress posters while providing a wealth of misinformation of his own.      
 
The best response to him is no response. All we do is inform people as best we can that his posts are unsound.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:09pm

on 06/29/07 at 10:46:47, aprilbee wrote:
its fighting terrorism and I belive the ONLY place to fight this war is on their soil....NOT over in the US, if we "cut and run" they will find a way to get to us over here




on 06/29/07 at 10:46:47, aprilbee wrote:
As long as we are over there, they are not over here


Now thats some funny shit right there.  

How sad
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Jonny on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:47pm

on 06/29/07 at 18:09:11, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Now thats some funny shit right there.  


Funny?

Its funny that our southern border is wide open for ANYONE to get here?

That includes terrorists......if we dont keep them busy over there they will walk in our back door.

Yeah, thats really funny....not!

I will now say that Bush is a mental case!!!!!
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 29th, 2007, 6:58pm
Jonny is our resident "tough guy" who never served in the military but is more than willing to have others serve and get wounded or lose their lives.

The best response to him is to ask him why he never volunteered to serve in the military.  His knowledge of world events consists of material that he gets from "UTube" which is as objective as a Tube Steak is fit for a meal (perhaps it is fit for him?).
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Jonny on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:12pm
Hi troll....are you ready to bust yet?

LMMFAO!!!...Your a real peach, John...... :-*
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Shedz on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:14pm
Kings need to be tough, especially when dealing with persistant Trolls [smiley=twocents.gif] [smiley=finger.gif]

Paul ;;D
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Jonny on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:26pm

on 06/29/07 at 19:14:19, Shedz wrote:
Kings need to be tough


This is true, Shedz....but SOME mental cases dont know that Royalty can not be placed in harms way for sake of country. ;;D
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Shedz on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:28pm
[smiley=crackup.gif] ;;D ;;D ;;D ;;D
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Charlie on Jun 29th, 2007, 7:50pm

Quote:
Jonny is our resident "tough guy" who never served in the military but is more than willing to have others serve and get wounded or lose their lives.

The best response to him is to ask him why he never volunteered to serve in the military.  His knowledge of world events consists of material that he gets from "UTube" which is as objective as a Tube Steak is fit for a meal (perhaps it is fit for him?).

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/deadhorse.gif

So you really did miss 90% of Jonny's posts for the last 7 or 8 years. At least we are thankful for that.

Charlie
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Shedz on Jun 29th, 2007, 8:07pm
Obviously no stamina these Trolls, make a few attacks then run away ;;D

Paul.
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by UN solved on Jun 30th, 2007, 1:48am
To say that we couldn't take on Iran too is completely ridiculous. Do you think that we only have 150,000 troops ? Wrong ! It's closer to 1.5 million or so. (Not including robots, drones, and UAV's). I'm not saying that we definately will go to war with Iran ... I hope not ... but we could if we chose to do so! Didn't you learn anything from WW2 ?? o yea, your country lost ... sorry bout that bud !

UNsolved
Title: Re: We may not have to worry about Iran
Post by Klusterkopf on Jun 30th, 2007, 3:21am

on 06/30/07 at 01:48:38, UN solved wrote:
To say that we couldn't take on Iran too is completely ridiculous. Do you think that we only have 150,000 troops ? Wrong ! It's closer to 1.5 million or so. (Not including robots, drones, and UAV's). I'm not saying that we definately will go to war with Iran ... I hope not ... but we could if we chose to do so! Didn't you learn anything from WW2 ?? o yea, your country lost ... sorry bout that bud !

UNsolved


Ja, we lost and we learned.  You may have 1.5 million troops, but 50% or more are involved in support and not combat.  The US has not been able to establish any sort of control in Iraq, not even the supposedly secure "Green Zone" inside of Bagdahd.  You obviously have no knowledge of military operations nor of the situation in Iraq, where even your own generals say that you cannot win that fight.  Read up on the nature of guerilla warfare, which is what the US is now facing in Iraq and faced-and lost-in Vietnam.  Unless you are willing to commit virtually all of your combat troops to that country for the next 10 years, that fight cannot be won.  Bush and Cheney were told by your own generals before the war began that to even have a chance of winning at least appx. 500,000 troops would be needed.  Bush and Cheney ignored them-they wanted victory on the cheap and, like all arrogant leaders-and Hitler was one, his generals knew that that war couldn't be won-dismissed the advice of their own experts, the generals.  The situation in Iraq continues to worsen, not get better; try to take on Iran and you will have a bloodbath on both sides and you will still not win.  If you believe different, why don't you volunteer or send your son or daughter if you have children old enough?
:'(


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