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(Message started by: tanner on May 31st, 2007, 12:24am)
Title: advice
Post by tanner on May 31st, 2007, 12:24am

When does lack of sleep become something to really worry about?

I don't want to use any pharms to induce.

Starting to run on empty!

real tired....Tim

gonna try again and hope the SOB will give me a break..

Best to all....luv ya Cat, let me know if I can help in any way !
Title: Re: advice
Post by artonio7 on May 31st, 2007, 12:31am
As long as I don't use any heavy equipment or drive... I don't worry about it. I figure  I'll eventually pass out.  I always just find it annoying, especially on day 3 and 4.

with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: advice
Post by tanner on May 31st, 2007, 12:34am

on 05/31/07 at 00:31:22, artonio7 wrote:
As long as I don't use any heavy equipment or drive... I don't worry about it. I figure  I'll eventually pass out.  I always just find it annoying, especially on day 3 and 4.

with warm regards,
Tony


Thanks Tony :)  hope you are ok...over and out...Tim
Title: Re: advice
Post by artonio7 on May 31st, 2007, 12:36am
I'll be in chat if you want to burn more of the midnight oil.

http://www.clusterheadaches.com/chat/

with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: advice
Post by tanner on May 31st, 2007, 2:03am
oh well too braindead to find (remember) my way into chat :o

talk atcha later....tim

hi michelle  :-*  who's gonna win nfl this year?
Title: Re: advice
Post by sandie99 on May 31st, 2007, 2:12am
Tim,

I believe that it also depends on the person as well. I stop functioning normally after losing one night's sleep. I'm looking like a robot with very slooooooow moves!

Sanna
Title: Re: advice
Post by Mastifflvr28 on May 31st, 2007, 2:46am
>hi michelle    who's gonna win nfl this year?

ME OF COURSE!!

:)

My sleepy vibes are goin up to ya Tanner.
I used to wonder how many days I could make it without any REM sleep too.  I made it though.  Sux that naps are impossible during cycle though.
Take care sweety!
Title: Re: advice
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 31st, 2007, 3:21am
Bro, you dont want to take OTC sleep aids either?

I suffer from insomnia and have tried several script sleep aids, but nothing works as well as OTC Melatonin.  I also take Benadryl, which is also a sleep aid and helps with the stuffy nose when you do get hit.

Peace my brother
Title: Re: advice
Post by tanner on May 31st, 2007, 7:34am

on 05/31/07 at 03:21:38, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Bro, you dont want to take OTC sleep aids either?

I suffer from insomnia and have tried several script sleep aids, but nothing works as well as OTC Melatonin.  I also take Benadryl, which is also a sleep aid and helps with the stuffy nose when you do get hit.

Peace my brother


I guess I should have been more clear. ::) I am taking melatonin and tried adding in the benadryl as I think it was Brew suggested. Unfortunately I am one of those weird people that tends to have reverse reactions to all antihistamines, so I am not only awake but with RLS to boot so I dropped the Ben.

I am going to my gastro doc this afternoon for a medical phlebotomy re: a very high iron content so maybe that will help.

I wish I was financially able to arrange a meet with you in AZ. in July but someday..... Lin and I actually gave up one spring/summer season of our lives to work at Lake Powell. I was a houseboat instructor and Lin worked reservations at Halls Crossing directly across from "Bullfrog".

Man that was the best $5.70 job I ever had ;) I still have friends that work the summer "high" season over there. What a place!

If we could get someone to host an OR. convention, Astoria maybe....that would be like old home week for us. we lived outside of Scapoose and the town of St. Helens in the early 80's.

Thanks for the replies...Maybe sleep will happen tonight.

I think I am at 70 some hours now :-/

Have a great day!!!..........Tim
Title: Re: advice
Post by taraann on May 31st, 2007, 8:01am
I can't take bendryl ... it makes me want to jump out of my own skin.  It also has the opposite affect on my son, he bounced off the walls when we gave it to him once.

A certain sleep med made me sleep walk recently, it led to some really funny stories to tell.

Maybe a light ssri before bed tim?  I say light cause I am really sensitive to them.  SO that depends on your body.  Talk to your doc, maybe there is something to get you over the hump.  Or atleast something that buys you a few hours of zzz's here and there.

Hugs and vibes that your head starts behaving better soon!
Title: Re: advice
Post by kayarr on May 31st, 2007, 8:25am

on 05/31/07 at 07:34:23, tanner wrote:
I guess I should have been more clear. ::) I am taking melatonin and tried adding in the benadryl as I think it was Brew suggested. Unfortunately I am one of those weird people that tends to have reverse reactions to all antihistamines, so I am not only awake but with RLS to boot so I dropped the Ben.

I am going to my gastro doc this afternoon for a medical phlebotomy re: a very high iron content so maybe that will help.

I wish I was financially able to arrange a meet with you in AZ. in July but someday..... Lin and I actually gave up one spring/summer season of our lives to work at Lake Powell. I was a houseboat instructor and Lin worked reservations at Halls Crossing directly across from "Bullfrog".

Man that was the best $5.70 job I ever had ;) I still have friends that work the summer "high" season over there. What a place!

If we could get someone to host an OR. convention, Astoria maybe....that would be like old home week for us. we lived outside of Scapoose and the town of St. Helens in the early 80's.

Thanks for the replies...Maybe sleep will happen tonight.

I think I am at 70 some hours now :-/

Have a great day!!!..........Tim



Howdy ex neighbor.  Cathi04 and I were talking about putting together a package for an Oregon convention. Bmonnee what you think?

I grew up in Longview Was. (right across the state line from St. helens)  speaking of St. Helens, were you there for the eruption?
Title: Re: advice
Post by tanner on May 31st, 2007, 9:13am

on 05/31/07 at 08:25:08, kayarr wrote:
Howdy ex neighbor.  Cathi04 and I were talking about putting together a package for an Oregon convention. Bmonnee what you think?

I grew up in Longview Was. (right across the state line from St. helens)  speaking of St. Helens, were you there for the eruption?


I know Longview and it's bridge very well. We had a view of St. Helens and Mt Hood from the front porch of the log cabin we lived in. Waited and waited to see that sucker go, so naturally we moved the day before the event and were slepping in a tent in the Spokane area when she gave it up.  Felt it real good but no visuals from there.

I will do what I can to help if an OR.Con becomes a possible. I love that area of our planet.

Is the nuke plant gone yet?......Tim
Title: Re: advice
Post by catlind on May 31st, 2007, 10:03am
Man an Oregon con would be the bomb, that's where most of Clark's family is;  We were planning a trip to Oregon and Cali this fall, but it looks like we'll have to postpone a year unless we win the lottery.

Tim, I don't get along with benadryl either, and melatonin will only help to a certain degree - I can get about 4 hours out of melatonin if I go to sleep within 30 min. of taking it, but then I am awake to the regularly scheduled 4 a.m. hit with or without the hit.

I tried using the unisom doxxylamine succinate instead of the OTC sleep aids that have diphenhydramine HCI - benadryl.  It works much better for me and I can usually get a good nights sleep out of it after taking 2 or 3 (instead of the recommended 1).

My system is overly sensitive to many medications and totally unresponsive to others (usually any sort of sedatives or narcotics are ineffective or require amounts for a horse - or more as I was told after 4 shots of versed before my cardiac cath and I watched the whole thing, remembered it all and didn't even have a nap afterward).  When I first came to ch.com many moons ago, I had an article that connected ch'ers with a messed up opiate receptor, hence the normal response that narcotics do not work on us.  I lost the article in a hard drive crash, but it was one that was obscure, technical and tied the SCN in the hypothalamus to all of the mess.  

I can go 3 or 4 days with only 2 - 4 hours sleep and be fine before it starts to get to me;  if I am completely insomnolent, then after 48 hours sleep deprivation becomes very apparent, I don't dare drive as it's the same sensation as being very very drunk;  As noted before, I think each person is different, but there's an AF video for sleep deprivation, with an instructor that puts his troops through the whole thing to show them the kinds of things they can expect;  While walking around a helicopter on the tarmac that had it's rotors going, he walked to close to the tail rotor and lost his arm - it was a very effective video at showing how dangerous sleep deprivation was and how it affected perception, senses and judgement even when you thought you were fine.  I am pretty sure it's an underground video now as it was considered to graphic for use in todays AF  :-X

Hope you find some sleep soon, but if you don't, be sure to drink lots of water - the water x3 tip on here is actually a very good means of battling the beast and helping to clean out your body and always helps to get me back on some sort of schedule as erratic as it may be to non ch'ers.  

Find where your best zone is, learn to sleep before or after it, depending on how your REM hits work (mine are at 4 a.m. so for me it was easy - bed by midnight and up for the day after 4) and try to schedule your sleep that way.

I hope you find your zzzz's soon, I hate to think of anyone that suffers through that on top of the rest of the mess we deal with;  remember if you start to feel really down, that sleep deprivation is typically the precursor to the depression that comes along with ch for many - invovle your wife in this and ask her to keep an assessment on how you are doing - we tend not to believe that we are being affected as early as we are, and our supporters can be a great source in helping assess the situation objectively and then you can alter your patterns accordingly.

Cat
Title: Re: advice
Post by tanner on May 31st, 2007, 10:15am
Thanks Cat, I will look into everything you suggest. So that's why I need enough narcs to kill a small town to even feel them :)

I have enough controlled substances around here to hook half the board because my back and my head guy down here are underpaid pushers, but after my recent drop into big time depression I won't touch the crap.

Keep your chin up kid and I hope we can get together next year.......Tim
Title: Re: advice
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 31st, 2007, 11:50am

on 05/31/07 at 08:25:08, kayarr wrote:
Howdy ex neighbor.  Cathi04 and I were talking about putting together a package for an Oregon convention. Bmonnee what you think?



I think that would be a great idea.  We would make a good team!!

Lets do it.  
Title: Re: advice
Post by Brewcrew on May 31st, 2007, 12:05pm

on 05/31/07 at 11:50:01, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
I think that would be a great idea.  We would make a good team!!

Lets do it.  

Unfortunately, the real Milwaukee has already been a host. The other Millwoky (or however you spell it) will, I'm sure, pale in comparison.

But, if it means I can drink some of Brian's hooch, I'm all for it. ;;D
Title: Re: advice
Post by Mastifflvr28 on May 31st, 2007, 2:06pm
A convention in Oregon WOULD be the BOMB!!
Just a hop skip and a jump for me.  And it's been
a while since we had a west coast Con :)
Mast
Title: Re: advice
Post by Gator on May 31st, 2007, 6:47pm
Are there airports in Oregon or will we have to ride a log down the river from Sea-Tac?

j/k  :P

Have to agree that Oregon would be a cool location for a convention.
Title: Re: advice
Post by kayarr on Jun 1st, 2007, 9:16pm

on 05/31/07 at 09:13:57, tanner wrote:
I know Longview and it's bridge very well. We had a view of St. Helens and Mt Hood from the front porch of the log cabin we lived in. Waited and waited to see that sucker go, so naturally we moved the day before the event and were slepping in a tent in the Spokane area when she gave it up.  Felt it real good but no visuals from there.

I will do what I can to help if an OR.Con becomes a possible. I love that area of our planet.

Is the nuke plant gone yet?......Tim

they imploded it last year!  Bigggggg event!  spectators, the news, yada,yada,yada!
Heck if we had the convention here we could even have a picnic on our five acres:)
Title: Re: advice
Post by kayarr on Jun 1st, 2007, 9:17pm

on 05/31/07 at 11:50:01, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
I think that would be a great idea.  We would make a good team!!

Lets do it.  


Ok, it's a deal!  wooHoo!
Title: Re: advice
Post by kayarr on Jun 1st, 2007, 9:22pm

on 05/31/07 at 18:47:20, Gator wrote:
Are there airports in Oregon or will we have to ride a log down the river from Sea-Tac?

j/k  :P

Have to agree that Oregon would be a cool location for a convention.

Of course the Rose City has an airport!  We recently got named the big city with the most polite drivers;)  (excuse me, pardon me...)
Title: Re: advice
Post by ClusterChuck on Jun 1st, 2007, 10:09pm

on 05/31/07 at 00:24:20, tanner wrote:
 When does lack of sleep become something to really worry about?


To steal a phrase, the answer to your question is:  When you reach room temperature ....


Hang in there buddy!!!  I have gone weeks, months, even with just one or two hours sleep a day.

Chuck

PS:  I have been bugging Cathi and Kirk about hosting next year.  You Oregonians NEED to host!  It is an AWESOME place!
Title: Re: advice
Post by tanner on Jun 1st, 2007, 10:59pm

on 06/01/07 at 22:09:35, ClusterChuck wrote:
To steal a phrase, the answer to your question is:  When you reach room temperature ....


Hang in there buddy!!!  I have gone weeks, months, even with just one or two hours sleep a day.

Chuck

PS:  I have been bugging Cathi and Kirk about hosting next year.  You Oregonians NEED to host!  It is an AWESOME place!


Thanks Chuck :)

and ya gotta love OR.     ........Tim
Title: Re: advice
Post by kcopelin on Jun 2nd, 2007, 1:25am
Night Tim.  Will be praying you get some well-deserved sleep and wake up rested.  

some sleep advice....
warm milk and cookies.  really.
turkey sandwich
sound machine (I set mine to the babbling brook)
really boring book
foot massage (both getting and giving one is relaxing)

that's it Tim...I'm tapped out of ideas.  

PFDAN y'all
kathy
Title: Re: advice
Post by mynm156 on Jun 2nd, 2007, 5:23am
Hey Tanner,
I have been flopping from night shift to day shift every other week for the last month and sleep just doesnt seem to want to come easy.  Iwas out of Melatonin but got some again and that does seem to help some but after a couple days my mind starts to GO BYE BYE!!  Good Vibes!!

your Brother in Pain

MYNM156
Title: Re: advice
Post by taraann on Jun 2nd, 2007, 5:48am
My dad always wanted to move us to Oregon.  He said it was alot like NH but on a bigger scale [smiley=huh.gif] It must be gorgeous there, babble babble
Title: Re: advice
Post by tanner on Jun 2nd, 2007, 7:02am
 
 Sorry gang, I actually got about 6 hrs. of uninterrupted sleep the night before last and thought I had posted it, but I told Cyndi about it on the phone instead. Great new little sis!!!

Last night and this morning was back to the usual 15 min here and there so it is serious coffee time at my house.

How much melatonin should I go up to?

and Ta OR. is another of God's little secrets though I suspect by now it may have become Californicated :P.

at any rate GOOD MORNING CLUSTERVILLE

see size does matter  ;)......Tim
Title: Re: advice
Post by kayarr on Jun 2nd, 2007, 7:34am
Back on task, Jeff is chronic with fall and spring high times.  He just in the last 5 days got back to his "quieter" two to four headaches a day with one or two being at night. He even had one day that he only had one at night and none during the day:) The lack is sleep is a concern for us.  We attribute his early heart attack partially to lack of sleep. he is not working a conventiional job right now.  He is restoring classic cars and rebuilding engines and doing it more on his schedule.
He takes melatonin.  
Title: Re: advice
Post by tanner on Jun 2nd, 2007, 8:05am

I'm pullin for ya Jeff !

Here's hoping the Beast keeps becoming less and less persistent.

Best Regards.....Tim


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