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Title: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by The mad viking on May 17th, 2007, 4:30pm 'He's the worst scum of the Earth' 10:53 AM MST on Thursday, May 17, 2007 By Karla Barguiarena / KHOU-TV News It was behind door 518 at a Galveston motel room where the unimaginable happened: A father put his two-month-old daughter in the microwave and turned it on. Manager says man calmly called for help after microwaving baby Last Thursday, Joshua Mauldin, 19, was alone in the motel with his baby when he called for help. “The father called down here, asked us to call 911, claimed that the child had a bad sunburn and was bleeding,” hotel manager James Marx said. Marx said he didn’t seem distraught at all. Mauldin later told police it wasn’t a sunburn, but that he had accidentally spilled boiling water on the child. Then his story changed again. Also online Joshua Mauldin's MySpace page(Warning: Contains offensive material) “The first time, he tripped,” Galveston Police Sgt. Annie Almendarev said Wednesday. “Then he said, no, he was drinking it and spilled it. There were just too many inconsistencies. He just couldn’t keep his stories straight.” A tip then led investigators to the hotel room’s microwave, where they discovered the baby had been placed inside. Mauldin then confessed, saying stress had driven him to burn his child. “There was no expression. There was no expression at all. No remorse,” Almendarev said. GCSO Joshua Mauldin The baby girl was rushed to Shriners Hospital, where she’s undergone two skin graft surgeries and is in critical but stable condition. She suffered severe burns to the left side of her face and left hand. “I’ve been doing this for a lot of years and actually it brought tears to my eyes,” Galveston Police Sgt. Annie Almendarev said. “The baby is burned on the left side here and it’s just really bad. Her hand is so swollen – if you’ve ever touched something hot you know you get that big boil on your hand – it looks like she’s holding a ball in her little bitty hand. It was just heartbreaking.” Investigators believe the child was in the microwave for ten to 20 seconds. 11 News Behind this door, the unthinkable happened: Joshua Mauldin put his daughter in the microwave and turned it on. “I’m sitting there looking at the pictures and I’m sitting there looking at him, and there’s nothing I could really do about it but just keep my composure,” Almendarez said. Mauldin had checked into the hotel last week along with his baby, his wife and his mother. Police said he came to Galveston from Arkansas in search of a job as a minister. “He’s the worst scum of the earth. I can’t … It makes you want to have cameras in the rooms,” Marx said. At the time of the incident, Mauldin’s wife and mother were reportedly picking up dinner at a nearby restaurant. According to police reports, he told investigators God ordered him to go to Galveston. Mauldin was being held in the Galveston County Jail facing felony charges of injury to a child. His bond was set at $250,000. Prosecutors said, if convicted, he could face anywhere from five to 99 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20070517-khoujc-microwavebaby.7acfcd93.html Svenn |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lejla on May 17th, 2007, 4:51pm Ok, he deserves to be cut into little pieces and fed to pigs, but only after breaking every bone in his body first. Something like this...he doesn't deserve to live!!!!! The death penalty is too good for people like him. We need to come up with a legal sort of punishment that involves brutal torture for the rest of his life. I think it would be perfect for cases like him and the lady that cut off her son's genitals!![smiley=mad.gif] |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by BarbaraD on May 17th, 2007, 4:59pm This is happening more and more. and then they plead insanity and get "help". the hell with that crap.... they need to suffer long and hard! A preacher -- give me a break.... Let him preach to the inmates at Huntsville for the next 99 years (if they let him live that long). Nothing WE can do to him is BAD enough for what he did to that baby.... When are our lawmakers gonna wake up and put the laws back in favor of the victims? Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 17th, 2007, 5:09pm on 05/17/07 at 16:59:44, BarbaraD wrote:
I think you are right. If the dude gets a good lawyer, the only sentence he might get is 1 year supply of Prozac. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by testy01 on May 17th, 2007, 5:30pm I wish this guy were over here. They'd try him and convict him and about 10 months from now they'd stick a black, cloth bag over his head, lead him out into a public square, and take his head off with a sword. It's public and bloody and quick. No insanity plea, no plea-bargaining, no kidding. Seriously, I'm not in favor of torturing the guy, just kill him. The same as you'd do with a rabid dog or a copperhead. Jack |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by jimmers on May 17th, 2007, 5:34pm Fuck it! KILL HIM! Jimmers |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by pattik on May 17th, 2007, 5:50pm This is beyond sick--simply unfathonable. Even though the link below is about animal cruelty and not a human incident, it illustrates a terrible sickness in our society. The young man in question is a famous coach's son, and he got off easy IMO. What does it say about the sentancing when he was given more probation time for stealing the bird than killing it? http://www2.jsonline.com/news/state/dec99/chadw10121099.asp?format=print |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Paul98 on May 17th, 2007, 5:56pm This made me feel ill. $0.50 bullet in the forehead. -P. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by testy01 on May 17th, 2007, 6:04pm It's a shame they can't execute this guy. He's going to get off with a slap on the wrist, sure as hell. If they throw him in the pen with the general population maybe they can do something appropriate with him. Jack |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by artonio7 on May 17th, 2007, 6:04pm on 05/16/07 at 14:39:59, artonio7 wrote:
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 17th, 2007, 6:21pm Another one fallen through the crack, he has a history of strange behaviours at school : a loner, hitting head on bricks, missing school etc ... Obviously his mother and school teachers didnt do anything to intervene, such as taking him to see a psychiatrist for evaluation. The hospital where his baby was born was not alerted to the fact that her father was likely to have a history of mental illess. Most lilkely he will get off with minimal sentence pleading schizophrenia or something. http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20070517-khoujc-babymicrowave.7ad4df7a.html |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 17th, 2007, 6:29pm The baby's mother and his mother should also be charged. This guy was arrested with 3rd degree battery and only last month violation of a protective order, both were against his wife, the mother of the baby. Both women knew what sort of a person he is and what he is capable of ( violence ) yet they left him alone with the baby. http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=73272f641e1d4d4f This horrid incidence could have been prevented if someone along the line had picked up on the warning signs and done something about it. Education and awareness. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by artonio7 on May 17th, 2007, 6:45pm on 05/17/07 at 18:29:36, Lotus wrote:
Preceded by mandatory, reversible sterilization. with warm regards, Tony |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by BlueMeanie on May 17th, 2007, 7:03pm on 05/17/07 at 18:45:37, artonio7 wrote:
How about preceded by the death penalty. When are we gonna wake up and quit trying to help these sick pups. What is there, 1000 murders a day ? How many executions are there a day ? |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 17th, 2007, 7:15pm on 05/17/07 at 18:45:37, artonio7 wrote:
I would agree with you totally Tony if reversing sterilization is not such a difficult operation, very costly and not very successful. The media didnt say how old the mother is, but with him being 19, I guess she would be in her teens as well. A much higher percentage of babies born to teenager parents get into problems. Time to stop teenage pregnancy. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Charlie on May 17th, 2007, 7:27pm It's happened before and it's happened in the past but microwaves weren't around much. This is what we get with new technology, I guess. Guy snapped. Horrible things in this world. Charlie |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Mosaicwench on May 17th, 2007, 7:30pm Why won't anyone say the real and true thing he is?? EVIL! You can't cure it, or treat it - you have to exterminate it. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by purpleydog on May 17th, 2007, 8:22pm on 05/17/07 at 18:21:32, Lotus wrote:
I don't understand why you keep saying... "another one fallen through the cracks." Just what crack has this guy fallen through? And why would his mother take him to a shrink? And what does his teachers have to do with taking him to a shrink? The hospital being warned he is likely to have a history of mental illness ? Do you realize how many men... and women... are likely to have a history of violence? Or mental illiness? What does that have to do with anything? A person is supposed to be locked up because they are likely to be violent? That's not the way it works in this country. I don't know about Australia, as I don't live there. Also, being mentally ill is a braod term. Ever been depressed? That is considered a mental illness here. In this country, you have to actually be violent, and cause someone, or something real harm in order for anyone to pay attention to you. The police can't lock you up because you might be violent. It's not really a situation you can judge. If he promised he was not going to be violent again, his wife may have believed him. If she was there actually watching him do this horrible thing to his child, then she could be charged, but not on what ifs, and maybes. I'm not sticking up for this guy, I just don't understand your train of thought here, Annette. You can't lock people up on the premise of what they may do, at least not here. Personally, I think the guy should suffer the same fate, but you know what? I seriously doubt he learns anything from it. He could get his ass kicked in prison every day for (what will no doubt turn out to be) the rest of his short life, and he still wouldn't get it. He's a sociopath. I hope his child heals, and doesn't grow up to be like him. Stop the cycle. edited to clarify mental illness. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 17th, 2007, 8:43pm I agree with what you say Chris. Here in Australia the police cant lock up anyone prior to them committing some sort of chargeable crime either. I am simply trying to think of how such things can be prevented. Sadly things like this has happened before and will happen again if nothing is done to try to prevent it. If he had been seen by a psychiatrist he might have been diagnosed with whatever it is and received treatment maybe it would not have happened. If the psychiatrist deems him to be at risk to himself or others he could be committed to a mental institute. If the hospital was aware, they could assign a community nurse to do home visits to follow up on the baby. The mother and grandmother could be educated not to leave the baby alone with him. Whatever.... When I read or hear about something like this, my first thought is always : What can I do to stop this? Svenn told me once to stop being naive and think that I can save the world. I know I cant but maybe, just maybe I can make a tiny bit of a difference. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Shedz on May 17th, 2007, 8:49pm I can think of several things that would be suitable punishment for this monster, but not gonna post them for fear of upsetting the squeamish!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by purpleydog on May 17th, 2007, 9:42pm I'm just glad that child abuse is recognized now, and is a punishable crime, if it goes too far. As Charlie said, there weren't many (if any) microwaves, or other modern technology to use to torture children a long time ago, but children still got abused, beaten to within an inch of their lives (that still happens every day), broken bones, kids ended up in the hospital, due to the parents (it's not just men) snapping, or themselves being brought up like that, and not knowing any other way. My dad was abusive, and my grandparents (all 4 of them) knew it. This was in the 60's and early 70's. A couple years ago, someone asked me why my grandparents didn't report him. Back then, it just wasn't done. You'd be considered getting into something that was none of your business. Things are much different now. Before there were child protection agencies, I wonder how many children were killed, or tortured and died at the hands of their parents... and got away with it. Especially mothers. No one would ever believe a mother would harm a child... no way. How many parents were mentally not all there... and how many families covered it up? |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by broomhilda on May 17th, 2007, 10:29pm Hugs Chris... Just some info to add to Chris's post, the first child ever that needed intervention that came to mind of authorities, there exisited no child protection agencies so it had to be dealt with by the SPCA. A thought to ponder Andrea |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by alienspacebabe on May 17th, 2007, 10:46pm on 05/17/07 at 19:15:42, Lotus wrote:
Gosh golly jeepers! I must have really screwed up the statistics then. My son was born just after I turned 18. The hell of it is, I was a good mom. I had it rough just like other single teenage moms - the father was an ass, didn't help out with parenting, was obstinate and refused to be an active and positive parent, a child with severe ADHD that showed up before he was 2 (not diagnosed until 1st grade), etc..... My poor poor kids! One is a sheet metal apprentice - a highly coveted position; the other will graduate from college next may with a BS in economics with a math emphasis. So so sorry - apologies for screwing up the statistics regarding children of teenage parents. A large proportion of child abuse happens with adult parents. Parents too frustrated by their lives; parents who want to be kids again, not have the responsibility of children; parents who shouldn't be parents. Don't blame teenage pregnancy for this! Also, "mental illness" has little to do with parenting. Mental illness includes schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, and also the highly common depression. Not to mention: someone who does horrible things, like microwaving their baby, isn't necessarily mentally ill - he could be evil / bad / bad seed / etc... |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Charlie on May 18th, 2007, 12:39am I remember stuff like this happening when I was a kid. Baseball bats. bleach, acid, bug spray, and the trusty burlap bag in the river. It's a sick world, always has been but the difference is that you can see and hear it any time you hit the remote. Charlie |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 18th, 2007, 2:11am on 05/17/07 at 22:46:49, alienspacebabe wrote:
Most definetely not all teenage parents are bad, and not all adult parents are good. There are always exception, like yourself. You are indeed a very good and courageous mother to be able to bring up your children against such adversity. Still teenage pregnancies and parenting do have a higher rate of problems, that is just fact. Teenager is a time where the brain and the body are still developing and many dont have the maturity required for responsible parenting. Again I agree that there are exceptions. As a society we should give support to those who do become parents in their teens but I dont think we should encourage it. You also made a very interesting point about the father in this case being evil vs mental. How do you suggest we distinguish what is evil and what is mental? I guess once a person is determined to be evil, there wont be any hope of rehabilitation? Not trying to start an argument here, just interested in your point of view. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and painfree wishes. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by tanner on May 18th, 2007, 2:26am Hugz all around from me :) Chris, Lizzie and Broomie please take two :-* Lotus?...............Tim |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by BarbaraD on May 18th, 2007, 8:03am Soapbox time for Granny.... We see so damn much on TV about "excuses" - WE can't put the blame where it belongs - on ourselves! Look at the animal kingdom - there are good and bad parents there also. I think some people are just born with NO maternal or paternal matter in their brains and just don't give a damn about their kids. There's really no solution for these people. They shouldn't have kids, but they do. When something happens, they use these "excuses" our lawmakers have been so quick to supply for them - of course THEY are not to blame for anything - it was this or that that caused it. BS! The pharmacutical manufacturers have come up with so many "designer" drugs that we now have "designer" diseases for everything so now we can give pills to clear up EVERYTHING and we now have names for them. BS! And the bad part is NO ONE WANTS TO GET INVOLVED because THIS DOESN'T CONCERN ME! We hear about these things and we react as we are here, BUT WE DON'T GET INVOLVED except to react. It doesn't concern us directly so we don't write our Congressmen and Senators to protest the laws that PROTECT children (or the rest of us) because this happened to someone ELSE - not us. And if a few people DO write Congress how is it handled? A few bright souls up there will get a photo opp and say how horrible this is and that's that - no follow thru - nothing done. NO ONE goes to bat for these awful crimes against kids. We just go about our merry way until the next time. Until we get involved and do something to change these laws and put some teeth into them NOTHING is going to change at all. I don't have the answer (wish I did), but it's going to start with our Mickey Mouse laws and how our punishment of these crimes do not fit the crimes. But don't use the word "GOD" or we'll have someone doing something immediately even if 86% of the people polled don't agree -- I think they call them the "silent" majority. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by deltadarlin on May 18th, 2007, 8:12am on 05/18/07 at 02:11:53, Lotus wrote:
Simple, if they have the capacity to understand the difference between right and wrong. If an individual *understands* that what they are doing is wrong, then they go ahead and do it, then you have the classification of evil. Let's say they aren't evil, but truly are in the grips of a horrible mental illness. I'll use schizophrenia as an example. How do you propose to rehabilitate them? Are you going to force them to take their meds? Possibly put them in a safe place where they can't hurt themselves or others? It is a known fact, that many people who suffer from severe mental illness do take their meds and function in society, BUT, there are also those who take their medicine, the medicine works, they feel better, then the person stops the medicine because they think they are *well* and we're back to square one. I think this man *knew* that putting his child in the microwave was wrong and he used his *revelations* to cover his a$$. And to put a different spin on this, yes, the mother and daughter *might* be held accountable here, but in my dealings with abusers/abused, there is that element of "I'm sorry, I'll never do that again. I love you , take me back and we'll work things out." |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by midwestbeth on May 18th, 2007, 8:13am Evil does exist. Society needs to recognize this and do whatever needs to be done to protect the rest of society from evil. I vote to exterminate..and not after 10 - 20 years of legal wrangling at the expense of the taxpayer. Beth |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Angie on May 18th, 2007, 9:15am There is lots of these type of people in the world They have NO CONSCIENCE |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 18th, 2007, 5:37pm I guess most of us here, myself included, agree that this guy should get a very severe punishment for what he did. In reality what does it mean? It would mean maybe a few years in jail ? What he was charged with was causing "injury" to a baby, that will not earn him a life sentence! In my opinion, he should be charged with attempted murder. Anyway, for argument sake, even if he gets a life sentence, apart from making the public feel better and costing tax payers more, will it really help to deter the next evil person from doing the same thing to the next child? I doubt it, sadly. We were given the definition that if someone knows the difference between right and wrong and still would go ahead and do it, that person is evil. We also said that people who commit this sort of crime are evil. Would really evil individuals care about what penalty they are going to receive? Would a life sentence be enough to stop them from being evil ? Again I doubt it. Many pregnant mothers drink, smoke, use drugs ... while pregnant knowing full well the effects its having on the unborn child yet they continue to do it, are they classed as evil? People who smoke knows full well what sort of health risk they expose themselves and their families to but continue to do so. I wouldnt call smokers evil, but risk of major health problems and even death from cancer is not enough to stop them from smoking. Furthermore I do not believe that some people are simply born evil. All children are born good and innocent. Its the environment they grow up in, its the diseases they have, its the teaching they are exposed to .... that turn them into evil individuals. These factors can be changed, we can do something to at least reduce the number of evil people in our society. There will always be sick, evil ( whatever label you see fit ) people in our society who will commit horrendous crime no matter how severe the punishment is. The only way to make a difference is to become educated and to become more aware. A more vigilant eye should be kept on our children so that intervention can start early, before evilness has a chance to flourish. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by The mad viking on May 18th, 2007, 6:09pm Even that we do not have deathpenalty here in Norway,i do 125% fully support that in cases like this. The madness is also that it takes around 10+ years from the trial to the sentence is carried out bc of legal issues And that is 10+ years of the taxpayers money In cases like this you should look to china.In most cases there the sentence is carried out within an hour of the trial There is just no way,none what so ever that anyone can defend people that are doing such harm to a defenceless child I know some of you my friends disagree with me on that subject,so be it Svenn "That is really mad hearing stories like this" |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by purpleydog on May 18th, 2007, 7:45pm on 05/18/07 at 17:37:10, Lotus wrote:
Annette, once again, you have summed up this thread to suit your opinion. Do you also have a degree in psychiatry/ psychology? The sentence in your long post that caught me was this: "A more vigilant eye should be kept on our children so that intervention can start early, before evilness has a chance to flourish." I won't ask again what intervention you are talking about. What you don't seem to understand, is that people are a product of their upbringing. This means how they are raised by their parents. Grandparents, or other family members. Therefore, logically, it's the PARENTS who need to be watched, not the children. Barb, I agree with you fully. Not only are parents responsible for bringing up their children to know right from worng, adhere to society's ways, and be socially acceptable, but parents are largely responsible for how their children turn out. Designer drugs for designer diseases? You got that right. When I was going to school, there was only one person in my class who could be considered to have ADHD. Now, it seems the majority of children have ADHD, or ADD, and get drugs thrown at them. What happened to parents spending time doing actual parenting? Unfortunately, Annette, peoples minds aren't as easy to fix as you seem to think. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by deltadarlin on May 18th, 2007, 7:50pm on 05/18/07 at 17:37:10, Lotus wrote:
It may not act as a deterrent for the next one, but the one in prison sure as hell will never get a chance to hurt another person again, EVER. That, for me, is enough of a deterrent. you may not can stop *evil* itself, but you can damned sure but a road block on it perpetuating itself. If this man were *sick* as you would like to believe, he wouldn't have tried to lie his way out of it. That in itself shows that he KNEW what he did was wrong and lied to try and cover it up. Got a proposition for you, we'll round up all these people like this and send them to you and let you take care of them. Deal? |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 18th, 2007, 7:58pm Hi Chris, I didnt say peoples minds are easy to fix ! Far from it ! Adults minds are almost impossible to be changed. Childrens minds on the other hands, can be open to new learnings. Yes, its true that its the parents who are responsible. But parents were children once themselves. Troubled and unwell children tend to ( not all ) grow into troubled and unwell adults who then when have children of their own may ( not always ) become bad parents. I am simply trying to think of a way the vicious cycle can be stopped, or at least reduced. Once a person has turned evil such as this guy, no matter what you do to him, he is unlikely going to change. You can jail him for life, you can give him the death penalty ( which I dont disagree with ), but will that by itself be enough to prevent the next kid being abused or harmed. I was thinking that maybe if we can start with the children, giving the troubled ones early intervention, first to keep them away from harm, secondly to teach them right from wrong at an age early enough for the teaching to make an effect, so that they wont grow up to be disturbed adults, then maybe we will reduce the number of bad parents. To say that I sum up this thread to suit my opinion is not fair. I am expressing the same opinion as everyone else except I look at things from a slightly different angle. I am not condoning his behaviours, I am not defending him, I am simply focussing on what we can or should do to prevent another similar case from happening. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by purpleydog on May 18th, 2007, 8:03pm on 05/18/07 at 19:50:13, deltadarlin wrote:
You know, Carolyn, Australia used to be a penal colony. It has the highest crime rate in the world. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 18th, 2007, 8:03pm on 05/18/07 at 19:50:13, deltadarlin wrote:
I am not interested in taking care of people like this, I am more interested in looking out for those who might end up like this and doing something to prevent. I didnt say these people shouldnt be jailed once they have committed their horrible deeds so that they cant repeat their crimes. What I am saying is this alone is not enough. Punishment after the crimes are well and good, I totally agree. My question is, what are we doing as a society to prevent future crimes? |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 18th, 2007, 8:09pm on 05/18/07 at 20:03:28, purpleydog wrote:
Its true, England rounded up all of their worst convicts and sent them to Australia. They were left to fend for themselves. Many Australians have convicts as their ancestors. Later the settlers came, also from England. I dont think Australia has the highest crime rate in the world now though. I dont think there is any data to say which country has the highest crime rate. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Brewcrew on May 18th, 2007, 8:10pm on 05/18/07 at 19:58:07, Lotus wrote:
As long as evil exists, the cycle cannot be stopped. As best I can tell, evil has existed for almost as long as man has. Maybe longer. So, I don't hold out hope that this cycle can be stopped. It shouldn't stop us from trying, though (because when you do you are attempting to counter evil - the name for it is "good." ). |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Ray on May 18th, 2007, 8:14pm Hello Everyone: I'll briefly weigh in. There are people who have no inhibitions against doing what is morally, ethically, or sociologically wrong to the rest of us. They are called "sociopaths". They will do anything to receive gratification. To my knowledge, there is no therapy or treatment for these individuals. I don’t know the truth of this perpetrator’s mind. If he’s determined to be guilty but mentally ill, he should be in an asylum for the criminally insane for life. If he’s a sociopath, then let’s do the world a favor and end his life. That’s my 2 cents and I’m sticking to it! Wishing you all PF days and nights, Ray |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Charlie on May 18th, 2007, 8:16pm Quote:
There's an idea. Find some uncomfortable island in a shitty climate and do expensive excurisions for people a couple times a year to run down and beat the shit out of him. The money would go to the kid. Mean Old Charlie |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 18th, 2007, 8:19pm Interesting, I got curious so I did a bit of a search and according to this site Iceland is the country with the most reported crime rate http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/countries-with-highest-reported-crime-rates.html And according to this site of crime rate per capita Dominica is the worst http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Linda_Howell on May 18th, 2007, 8:22pm Quote:
Los Angeles. May not be a country, but it certainly is an entity. I don't agree with so much of the rest of what you say that I am not even going to go there. :-[ Way too sad. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Lotus on May 18th, 2007, 8:28pm on 05/18/07 at 20:14:20, Ray wrote:
I agree with you totally Ray, my question is WHO is going to determine whether this guy is mentally ill or a sociopath? |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Ray on May 18th, 2007, 8:35pm If you left it up to the responders to this thread? The guy would be toast.... I don't know who would be qualified to make that call. [smiley=huh.gif] Ray |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Linda_Howell on May 18th, 2007, 9:09pm Anyone who hurts an innocent child SHOULD be toast, Ray. anyone who is a a parent of the child who was beaten, raped, burnt, mutilated or otherwise harmed in any way, can and SHOULD be the judge. of the perp. I call it Western justice. Jonny calls it something else. :P |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Jonny on May 18th, 2007, 9:36pm Looks like some of the gals are still pissy twords you, Annette. Fuck'em.....feed'em beans and forget'em.....who needs that shit! Seems to me that the gals energy would be better spent being pissy at these folks, no? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=720_1179383603 Feel free to google them instead of attacking your own ,God damn it!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Jonny on May 18th, 2007, 10:08pm This is an edit to add because it would get lost in my last post, sorry. If anyone has a problem with Annette, you have a problem with me! Im sick of this bullshit, if you have a problem then say WTF it is or STFU for good! Fuckin children? |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by alienspacebabe on May 18th, 2007, 10:16pm on 05/18/07 at 20:09:43, Lotus wrote:
It seems the word "crime" needs to be defined. Take a look at the following statistics - note that Australia is #1 in burglaries, Columbia is #1 in murders, etc. Assaults per capita: #1 South Africa: 12.0752 per 1,000 people #2 Montserrat: 10.2773 per 1,000 people #3 Mauritius: 8.76036 per 1,000 people #4 Seychelles: 8.62196 per 1,000 people #5 Zimbabwe: 7.6525 per 1,000 people #6 United States: 7.56923 per 1,000 people #7 New Zealand: 7.47881 per 1,000 people #8 United Kingdom: 7.45959 per 1,000 people #9 Canada: 7.11834 per 1,000 people #10 Australia: 7.02459 per 1,000 people Burglaries per capita: #1 Australia: 21.7454 per 1,000 people #2 Dominica: 18.7892 per 1,000 people #3 Denmark: 18.3299 per 1,000 people #4 Estonia: 17.4576 per 1,000 people #5 Finland: 16.7697 per 1,000 people #6 New Zealand: 16.2763 per 1,000 people #7 United Kingdom: 13.8321 per 1,000 people #8 Poland: 9.46071 per 1,000 people #9 Canada: 8.94425 per 1,000 people #10 South Africa: 8.89764 per 1,000 people Overall homicide rate #1 South Africa: 125.965 #2 Colombia: 114.5083 #3 Guatemala: 43.9737 #4 Thailand: 41.4695 #5 Paraguay: 19.3959 #6 Mexico: 17.7735 #7 Belarus: 13.44 #8 Lithuania: 12.2598 #9 Zimbabwe: 11.9841 #10 Estonia: 11.9795 Kidnappings per capita: #1 Colombia: 120.617 kidnappings per 1 millio #2 Mexico: 11.9488 kidnappings per 1 millio #3 Philippines: 5.60001 kidnappings per 1 millio #4 Ecuador: 4.93864 kidnappings per 1 millio #5 Venezuela: 4.29557 kidnappings per 1 millio #6 Brazil: 2.76714 kidnappings per 1 millio #7 Nigeria: 0.264045 kidnappings per 1 millio #8 South Africa: 0.248061 kidnappings per 1 millio #9 India: 0.0703532 kidnappings per 1 millio Manslaughters per capita: #1 South Africa: 0.247181 per 1,000 people #2 Mexico: 0.17057 per 1,000 people #3 Costa Rica: 0.144422 per 1,000 people #4 Zimbabwe: 0.0796809 per 1,000 people #5 Korea, South: 0.0768282 per 1,000 people #6 Romania: 0.0571429 per 1,000 people #7 Italy: 0.0322014 per 1,000 people #8 Turkey: 0.0312226 per 1,000 people #9 Estonia: 0.0202551 per 1,000 people #10 Bulgaria: 0.0150336 per 1,000 people Murders per capita: #1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people #2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people #3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people #4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people #5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people #6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people #7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people #8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people #9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people #10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people Murders committed by youths per capita: #1 Colombia: 84.4 #2 El Salvador: 50.2 #3 Puerto Rico: 41.8 #4 Brazil: 32.5 #5 Albania: 28.2 #6 Venezuela: 25 #7 Russia: 18 #8 Ecuador: 15.9 #9 Mexico: 15.3 #10 Panama: 14.4 Rapes per capita: #1 South Africa: 1.19538 per 1,000 people #2 Seychelles: 0.788294 per 1,000 people #3 Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people #4 Montserrat: 0.749384 per 1,000 people #5 Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people #6 Jamaica: 0.476608 per 1,000 people #7 Zimbabwe: 0.457775 per 1,000 people #8 Dominica: 0.34768 per 1,000 people #9 United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people #10 Iceland: 0.246009 per 1,000 people Robberies per capita: #1 Spain: 12.3265 per 1,000 people #2 Chile: 6.92522 per 1,000 people #3 Costa Rica: 4.79109 per 1,000 people #4 South Africa: 4.4434 per 1,000 people #5 Estonia: 3.56639 per 1,000 people #6 Mexico: 2.02555 per 1,000 people #7 Portugal: 1.6237 per 1,000 people #8 United Kingdom: 1.57433 per 1,000 people #9 Uruguay: 1.57114 per 1,000 people #10 Poland: 1.38838 per 1,000 people source: nationmaster.com |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by alienspacebabe on May 18th, 2007, 10:50pm Quote:
You’ve got it, Jonny. Here are my problems: This is stated as fact when it is, in fact, false. Quote:
Not a fact. No valid statistics to prove this. Quote:
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This is a religious viewpoint, not a fact. Quote:
Again, not a fact. Quote:
This is not a fact, and can easily be proven false. (examples: adults in therapy in order to change; adult who choose to go back to school) Quote:
Again, not a fact. Possibly a psychologist/psychiatrist’s opinion, but far from fact. Quote:
We both found statistics, therefore there is data available. Also, “crime rate” is a catch-all term. Define crime rate, then we can find the statistics. Quote:
My problems, in a nutshell? Blanket statements. Stating things as fact when they are not facts but opinions/suppositions/theories. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Jonny on May 18th, 2007, 10:55pm Sorry Liz, but I agree with most of them....not all, but most of them....to each his/her own I guess! |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by DonnaHar on May 19th, 2007, 1:40am I deleted my post because it would take a lot more explaining to get the full meaning out of what was written and I don't want to be misunderstood. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by Kevin_M on May 19th, 2007, 7:32am on 05/18/07 at 22:50:58, alienspacebabe wrote:
That reaches further than just Annette in this thread, but selectively ignored. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by midwestbeth on May 19th, 2007, 10:18am Quote:
Good question. My definition of evil: Murderers Rapists Child Molesters People who get off on doing things that serve no other purpose other than to cause pain/suffering to others. I do not know the statistics and have no facts to back up my view on "mental", but I believe it is rare for a person to be so out of touch that they are not "aware" and therefore cannot be held responsible for thier actions. JMHO Beth |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by BarbaraD on May 19th, 2007, 2:29pm Well, I just heard that Texas has a bill awaiting the governor's signature that says two rapes of a child under 15 and it's the death penalty. That should discourage (or elimate) a few predators in Texas. Maybe they should extend it to some of this other stuff.... |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by john_d on May 19th, 2007, 2:54pm I will label behavior as evil. But for people the people engaged in the evil behavior I label as ignorant, lost or broken. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by deltadarlin on May 19th, 2007, 6:00pm Lousiana already has two options for the rape of a child under the age of 12-death penalty of life in prison without the benefit of probation or parole. I believe that Mississippi has the same law. |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by BarbaraD on May 19th, 2007, 6:11pm Heard on the news this week that FL (I think it was FL) doesn't even want sexual predators living in their state. Some bleeding hearts are arguing that they have to live somewhere -- the people are protesting - NOT HERE! Think the South is just fed up. Maybe we can find an island (somewhere like Alcatraz - out in the middle of nowhere with sharks all around) and ship all these predators there and let them take care of each other. One strike and you go to Predator Island. If it gets full, they can start voting each other off the island. It's a thought. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by DonnaHar on May 20th, 2007, 8:19am I like your idea, Barbara! Does Leper Island still exist? |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by BarbaraD on May 20th, 2007, 10:17am I think they found a cure for that and got rid of it. Maybe we can reinstate it.... ;;D |
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Title: Re: What in HELL is going on?????? Post by George_J on May 20th, 2007, 3:20pm on 05/20/07 at 10:17:26, BarbaraD wrote:
I read "The Colony" by John Tayman a few months ago--a history of the American leper colony on Molokai. Very good book, very readable. It made me thankful that I'm dealing with CH in the twenty-first century and not leprosy in the nineteenth century. There are worse things than CH. Best wishes, George |
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