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(Message started by: cynjeep89 on May 8th, 2007, 10:53am)
Title: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by cynjeep89 on May 8th, 2007, 10:53am
Scary stuff going on in the Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Delaware area lately according to the local news stations.

Six terrorists were arrested in a plot to kill soldiers at Fort Dix in N.J. and they also discussed other targets such as Dover, Delaware Air Force Base, a federal building and the Coast Guard Station in Philadelphia.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Brewcrew on May 8th, 2007, 11:18am
My immediate questions:

1. Are they US citizens? If not,

2. Do they have valid green cards? If no to one and two,

3. Why are they still alive?
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by cynjeep89 on May 8th, 2007, 11:22am
Here is the link to the story from the Philly news station.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/13274843/detail.html?dl=mainclick
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 8th, 2007, 11:23am
Bush was right, they must have followed us home.

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Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by LeLimey on May 8th, 2007, 11:41am
Bloody hell - thank goodness for all the vigilance on the parts of the security forces.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Brewcrew on May 8th, 2007, 11:52am

Quote:
Three of the suspects are brothers and are all believed to be Islamic radicals, according to sources. Some of the six arrested men were also born in Albania and the former Yugoslavia, but have spent a significant amount of time living and training in New Jersey and Pennsylvania, according to authorities.

The suspects are Dritan Duka, Eljvir Duka, Shain Duka, Serfar Tatar, Agron Abdullahu and Mohamad Schewer, who were all allegedly trained in Goldsboro, Pa., according to authorities.

One of the suspects was born in Jordan, another in Turkey and the rest were born in Yugoslavia, according to a U.S. attorney. The Duka brothers were illegally residing in the country, according to the criminal complaint. They lived in Cherry Hill, N.J.


And we, the people, make the rules as to who gets in and who has to turn around and go home.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Rosybabe on May 8th, 2007, 12:41pm

on 05/08/07 at 11:52:25, Brewcrew wrote:
And we, the people, make the rules as to who gets in and who has to turn around and go home.


That is right!
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by cynjeep89 on May 8th, 2007, 12:56pm
Here's a link to the court documents from Camden, New Jersey

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news&id=5284282
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Brewcrew on May 8th, 2007, 1:51pm

on 05/08/07 at 12:41:15, Rosybabe wrote:
That is right!


I think I need to make my intent a little bit clearer:

[ heavy sarcasm ]
And we, the people, make the rules as to who gets in and who has to turn around and go home.
[ / heavy sarcasm ]
;;D
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by BarbaraD on May 8th, 2007, 6:34pm
But we're fighting a war "over there" so we don't have to "fight" over here! I think that's what our "leader" said! (heavy sarcasm).

Until they decide to tighten immigration - we're gonna keep having this problem...

We need to "defend" our own freakin' borders and let the rest of the world tend to themselves for a while. Or we're not going to have a country to defend.

They caught this bunch, but what about the others waiting for their chance...

Hugs BD
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by UN solved on May 8th, 2007, 6:44pm

on 05/08/07 at 18:34:47, BarbaraD wrote:
But we're fighting a war "over there" so we don't have to "fight" over here! I think that's what our "leader" said! (heavy sarcasm).

Until they decide to tighten immigration - we're gonna keep having this problem...

We need to "defend" our own freakin' borders and let the rest of the world tend to themselves for a while. Or we're not going to have a country to defend.

They caught this bunch, but what about the others waiting for their chance...

Hugs BD


AMEN !! CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW !!

UNsolved
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by cynjeep89 on May 8th, 2007, 6:44pm
This story just gets stranger by the minute.

One of the three illegals had a driver's license and had 24 points against his license.  How in the heck did he get a driver's license in the first place?

One of the families had just withdrawn three of their children from school a few weeks ago...hmmm?

These six men talked about attacking soldiers at the Army/Navy game and ships at the Port of Philadelphia.

10 men were known to attend some of the meetings these men held but only 6 were captured.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by UN solved on May 8th, 2007, 6:48pm
Are they dead yet ??  As far as I'm concerned, this is an act of war, not a simple crime. Let the military have them all !! I know my brother-in-law would like to have a few minutes alone with them !!

It should be made public too ! I say Hang em' high at noon !! ( Plus, deport the families !! )

UNsolved
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Jonny on May 8th, 2007, 7:17pm

on 05/08/07 at 18:44:35, cynjeep89 wrote:
One of the three illegals had a driver's license and had 24 points against his license.  How in the heck did he get a driver's license in the first place?


Because there are no laws for  illegals, cops cant even ask them if they are legal......schools cant even ask if kids being enrolled are legal.

I believe even another 9/11 wont change this!

This country is fucking doomed!
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Gator on May 8th, 2007, 7:23pm

on 05/08/07 at 18:48:39, UN solved wrote:
Are they dead yet ??  As far as I'm concerned, this is an act of war, not a simple crime. Let the military have them all !! I know my brother-in-law would like to have a few minutes alone with them !!

It should be made public too ! I say Hang em' high at noon !! ( Plus, deport the families !! )

UNsolved


Right up until Dubya was elected, Terrorism was a Law Enforcement issue.  I can see it going back that way if a certain party of appeasers and white flag wavers gets back into office.

Dubya has made some mistakes and is definitely not my favorite person in the world right now, but looking at current alternatives scares me.  Study candidates and issues REAL hard in the coming year folks.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by BarbaraD on May 8th, 2007, 7:36pm
Gator,

None of the candidates so far have said a damn thing. They're all just talking in circles. No one has a plan - it's all someone else's fault. Blame it on the other party - it's all politics. My Daddy's bigger than your Daddy. We've got a better idea, but we ain't gonna tell you what it is.

There's a solution - but no one wants to find it -- just TALK BS and more BS. Time for talking is long past. It's time for some ACTION. Committees be damned - I think it's time DC started earning its keep. Pass some damn laws with some teeth in them to HELP America not argue over the merits of who is wrong and right on issues that don't amount to a hill of beans.

I'm against abortion, but that's NOT the biggest issue facing our nation right now. Embryo research is NOT the biggest issue facing our nation right now. Medical care, Security and People getting killed for no damn good reason ARE issues facing us right now. Our troops getting killed in Iraq is a BIG issue right now. What are we accomplishing? What are we GOING to accomplish? Who gives a damn when and why someone voted someway 5 years ago -- This is today - let's get something done NOW not argue about what happened yesterday or last year.

Lord, if we ran our Businesses this way there wouldn't be a business running in the US.

Hugs BD
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Jonny on May 8th, 2007, 7:37pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6dxyfA9ZDg

Nuff said!
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Charlie on May 8th, 2007, 8:31pm

Quote:
Right up until Dubya was elected, Terrorism was a Law Enforcement issue.


Used to be; now it's political thanks to Mr. Bush, who pretty much destroyed  what was left of the party to which I once belonged.  Too bad, they did some great things.

This bizarre idea that we need him to protect us from the terrorism that occured on his watch is stunningly idiotic.

Charlie
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Jonny on May 8th, 2007, 8:52pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQLFfTd2l44

Hes got my vote ;)
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 8th, 2007, 8:55pm

on 05/08/07 at 19:23:06, Gator wrote:
Right up until Dubya was elected, Terrorism was a Law Enforcement issue.  I can see it going back that way if a certain party of appeasers and white flag wavers gets back into office.


Right up until Dubya was elected, the Presidential Administration took islamic radical terrorism seriously.

Maybe if we get attacked again, we can send our resources to Africa to help battle AIDS.  I'm sure Karl Rove can dream up some buzzwords to get the sheep to think that AIDS is a WMD used by terrorists.......and it will take years to make these sheep see the light......and when they do see the light and everyone is in agreement that we got suckered.......nobody will do anything.  

:-/


The terrorists will follow us home, LOL, that still cracks me up!!   [smiley=crackup.gif]
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Jonny on May 8th, 2007, 9:14pm

on 05/08/07 at 20:55:57, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Right up until Dumbya was elected, the Presidential Administration took islamic radical terrorism seriously


LMMFAO!!!!.........Have you seen the track record on ole Bill with all the bombings?

Do I really have to name them or would you like me to post videos on them?

Its this simple  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzTQMjkVtcI
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by BarbaraD on May 9th, 2007, 9:18am
If Fred Thompson just sits back and doesn't announce until right before the convention he'll probably get nominated and will probably win. He won the debate and wasn't even there. That should tell the others something.  ;)  

This country is going to be lost if something isn't done in THIS country soon. The hell with the rest of the world. We need to develop our own resources and not depend on others (we've got the resources - the heck with the spotted owl). Our refineries are NOT producing up to par and we're offering no incentitives for them to do so. Our elderly are living in poverty - why and we're worrying about people in other countries and sending our surplus overseas to help them - ????

Our cities are being wiped out by natural disasters and are NOT being rebuilt yet we are sending millions to other countries for rebuilding. Why?

Our soldiers are coming home with injuries and put in incompetent hands and we think this is ok? They're sent to "fight for US" and we can't even take care of them when they come home injured? And the government can't find a "reason" for this? But they're gonna appoint a committee to check into it (yeah right - what century?).

We don't have a drug problem in America -- everyone has plenty! And we have to put metal detectors in our schools to prevent kids from taking guns and knives to school. Why? Where are the parental controls? (Did the government get into our lives too much? - like telling us when and when NOT to spank our kids?)

Our kids can't read and write, but we teach them to pass a damn test that the government deems acceptable for an education. We're raising a generation of morons without the ability to think for themselves. Yet the government knows what's best for the American people.

I repeat - until the American People wake up and take their country BACK - get out and VOTE for people who WILL represent YOU and your BELIEFS - it's gonna get worse.

Hugs BD
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Gator on May 9th, 2007, 9:23am

on 05/08/07 at 20:31:51, Charlie wrote:
Used to be; now it's political thanks to Mr. Bush, who pretty much destroyed  what was left of the party to which I once belonged.  Too bad, they did some great things.

This bizarre idea that we need him to protect us from the terrorism that occured on his watch is stunningly idiotic.

Charlie


No, he considered it an act of war.  The bozos in congress made it political.  Congress had already given the president permission to go to war, but because they wanted to be seen as being tough in a time of crisis, they demanded to vote again and gave it to him again.  Now they are trying to re-write history and are playing political games with our soldiers lives.

Had we responded to terror at any time in the past  by doing something except calling the cops and trying to understand why they hate us so, there may not have been a 9/11.  And I don't just mean Clinton, though quite a few attacks happened on his watch.

I honestly believe that if a Clinton type had been in office on 9/11 we'd still be sitting around trying to have meaningful discussions with the terrorists while the FBI investigated the "crimes."

We don't necessarily need GW, but we do need someone who will take no shit.  Where's John Wayne when we need him?


on 05/08/07 at 20:55:57, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Right up until Dubya was elected, the Presidential Administration took islamic radical terrorism seriously.


Bullshit.  Terrorism against the US, and there was plenty of it before 9/11, was handled as a Law Enforcement problem.  They attacked the country and we called the cops when we should have called the Marines.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Gator on May 9th, 2007, 9:28am

on 05/09/07 at 09:18:01, BarbaraD wrote:
If Fred Thompson just sits back and doesn't announce until right before the convention he'll probably get nominated and will probably win. He won the debate and wasn't even there. That should tell the others something.  ;)  

This country is going to be lost if something isn't done in THIS country soon. The hell with the rest of the world. We need to develop our own resources and not depend on others (we've got the resources - the heck with the spotted owl). Our refineries are NOT producing up to par and we're offering no incentitives for them to do so. Our elderly are living in poverty - why and we're worrying about people in other countries and sending our surplus overseas to help them - ????

Our cities are being wiped out by natural disasters and are NOT being rebuilt yet we are sending millions to other countries for rebuilding. Why?

Our soldiers are coming home with injuries and put in incompetent hands and we think this is ok? They're sent to "fight for US" and we can't even take care of them when they come home injured? And the government can't find a "reason" for this? But they're gonna appoint a committee to check into it (yeah right - what century?).

We don't have a drug problem in America -- everyone has plenty! And we have to put metal detectors in our schools to prevent kids from taking guns and knives to school. Why? Where are the parental controls? (Did the government get into our lives too much? - like telling us when and when NOT to spank our kids?)

Our kids can't read and write, but we teach them to pass a damn test that the government deems acceptable for an education. We're raising a generation of morons without the ability to think for themselves. Yet the government knows what's best for the American people.

I repeat - until the American People wake up and take their country BACK - get out and VOTE for people who WILL represent YOU and your BELIEFS - it's gonna get worse.

Hugs BD



AMEN!!!

Whew!  Got me all excited!

BARBARA FOR PRESIDENT!!!
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by nani on May 9th, 2007, 9:39am
This particular instance is not really a "terror plot". It is a law enforcement issue. They are not affiliated with any known terrorist groups. These are 6 sick fucks, who happen to be Muslim, and want to be famous. Stupid fuckers.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Brewcrew on May 9th, 2007, 11:33am

on 05/09/07 at 09:39:58, nani wrote:
This particular instance is not really a "terror plot". It is a law enforcement issue. They are not affiliated with any known terrorist groups. These are 6 sick fucks, who happen to be Muslim, and want to be famous. Stupid fuckers.

Ever notice how Islam has a tendency to breed more than its share of these stupid fuckers? And no mainstream Muslims will denounce them. That's the part that kills me.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 9th, 2007, 12:10pm

on 05/09/07 at 09:23:26, Gator wrote:
No, he considered it an act of war, and decided to help Iraqis live in a democracy.  The bozos in congress made it political.  Congress had already given the president permission to go to war use force to disarm Saddam, but because they wanted to be seen as being tough in a time of crisis, they demanded to vote again and gave it to him again.  Now they are trying to re-write history and are playing political games with our soldiers lives.  

Had we responded to terror at any time in the past  by doing something except calling the cops and trying to understand why they hate us so, there may not have been a 9/11.  And I don't just mean Clinton, though quite a few attacks happened on his watch.  Does the Blind Sheikh ring a bell?  Hell, under Bush, the mastermind of the US Cole bombing even escaped jail.

I honestly believe that if a Clinton type had been in office on 9/11 we'd still be sitting around trying to have meaningful discussions with the terrorists while the FBI investigated the "crimes."  So you agree, if we had a Clinton type in office, they would have at least done SOMETHING???  Bush decided that 6 months after 9/11 we need to help the Iraqis be democratic.  I would rather sit around chatting about terrorism than help Iraq be a democracy.....at least chatting about it has SOMETHING to do with terrorism.


We don't necessarily need GW, but we do need someone who will take no shit.  Please, some of the terrorists that were just arrested yesterday were here illegally.  At least the appeasers and white flag wavers DREAM of border control, Bush doesn't even think about it.  

Bullshit.  Terrorism against the US, and there was plenty of it before 9/11, was handled as a Law Enforcement problem.  They attacked the country and we called the cops when we should have called the Marines.  Dealing with terrorism the 'old way' proved to be more effective than dealing with it the 'new way'.  Hell, Bush didn't do anything at all about terrorism in his first 9 months.  Under Bush, we did not even put into play the pre-arranged plan of defense that had been used for at least a decade before 9/11.  Under Clinton, a golfer in a private jet gets military escort within minutes.......under Bush, hijacked commercial aircraft didnt even get an escort, let alone any sort of action.


U know what is even more fucked up?  The bombers of the US cole escaped jail.  Some of them were picked back up, and they escaped AGAIN!!!!!  

I would rather sit around and drink a cappucino and chat about terrorism than let these terrorists go, again.  Why is it that the Cole bombers escaped jail, twice, and Bush does not even spend much time thinking about Bin Laden, but you call that 'taking no shit'?  

Why do you feel that helping our beloved Iraqi bretheren and letting terrorists escape jail is a tough guy approach to handling terrorism?  I think it is the exact opposite of tough guy.

I am sure that if John Wayne was sitting under a tree with his friend in Texas, and a terrorist shot his friend, I am sure John Wayne would not travel to Florida to volunteer to help battered women.  And, I am quite positive that John Wayne would not say that he doesn't know where the shooter is, and, quite honestly, doesnt spend much time thinking about it.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by cynjeep89 on May 9th, 2007, 1:51pm
More local news update info for anyone interested.


http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=5287593
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Paul98 on May 9th, 2007, 2:35pm
These 10 are terrorists plain and simple.  They are Islamic and they were indoctrinated into fighting the west.  Period!

It is funny how the rest of the Islamic world hasn't risen up against the extremists.  Perhaps to speak out against ANYTHING Islam is forbidden??  Unless the Islamic religion as a whole deals with the extremists the problem will live on forever.  There is no negotiating with the extremists because it is seen as a sign of weakness.  They don’t want compromise, they want subjugate.  Look at that they did in Afghanistan to the Buddhist statues carved in the cliff…Destroyed in an instant even with the rest of the world begging to preserve these ancient carvings.  Hunting down the “criminals” and bringing them to justice sounds nice on paper but really think about it.  They strap on explosives and blow them selves up and take as many with them as they can for fuck’s sake.  Jail?  Being found guilty in a court of the west's law???
[smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif] [smiley=crackup.gif]

-P.
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Kevin_M on May 9th, 2007, 2:49pm

on 05/09/07 at 12:10:21, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Hell, under Bush, the mastermind of the US Cole bombing even escaped jail.



Al-Nashiri mastermined the attack under the direction of Osama bin Laden.  (along with Tawfiq bin Attash)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/generate_related_events.php?name=USS%20Cole%20bombing

Been held since 2002

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/abd_al-rahim_al-nashiri.htm

Activities:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/generate_activities.php?name=Abd%20al-Rahim%20al-Nashiri


Corresponds with Wiki:

Abdul Rahman Hussein al-Nashari. He is alleged to be the mastermind of the USS Cole bombing and other terrorist attacks, who headed al-Qaeda operations in the Persian Gulf and the Gulf states prior to his capture in November of 2002.

In November of 2002, al-Nashiri was captured in the United Arab Emirates. He is currently in American military custody in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, having previously been held at some secret location. On September 29, 2004, he was sentenced to death in absentia in a Yemeni court for his role in the USS Cole bombing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Rahim_al-Nashiri


I don't see an escape in his profile.






Badawi and Quso escape from Yemeni prison


Badawi:

Jamal al Badawi served as a facilitator in the USS Cole bombing, locating the bomb boat and a private residence in Aden, Yemen, where the boat could be constructed.

Badawi has twice escaped from a Yemeni prison after being detained in connection with the Cole bombing, first in April 2003. He was recaptured in March 2004, then escaped again on Feb. 3, 2006.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/jamal_al_badawi.htm



Quso: escaped from a Yemeni prison in April 2003.  (hired by Badawi to film the explosion but overslept)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/fahd_al_quso.htm




Quote:
letting terrorists escape jail


They had friends in Yemen, an escape is not surprising:

(excerpt)

Soufan (FBI) finally was allowed to interview Fahd al-Quso, the sleeping cameraman, who was small and arrogant, with a wispy beard that he kept tugging on.  Before the interview began, a colonel in the PSO entered the room and kissed Quso on both cheeks -- a signal to everyone that Quso was protected.  And indeed, whenever it seemed obvious that Quso was on the verge of making an important disclosure, the Yemeni colonel would insist that the session stop for meals or prayers.*


*973.931 W
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Jonny on May 9th, 2007, 4:00pm
We are dealing with brain surgeons!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4a0_1178720217

"At most she should be flogged".......for pleasuring herself?.....yup, brain surgeons!
Title: Re: Alleged Terror Plot in NJ
Post by Charlie on May 9th, 2007, 8:37pm

Quote:
It is funny how the rest of the Islamic world hasn't risen up against the extremists.  Perhaps to speak out against ANYTHING Islam is forbidden??  Unless the Islamic religion as a whole deals with the extremists the problem will live on forever.


You know, as liberal thinking as I like to be, this is dangerous.  I too, am still waiting for a significant response of disgust from Islam. It's serious stuff.

This is not something that will disappear any time soon. I believe that 9/11 has shown that we are now just as vulnerable as the rest of the world.....this is something new for us on this scale. Europeans have lived with this kind of stuff for all its history; we haven't and we are pissed off that the Atlantic and Pacific are not the buffers they once were.......damn good thing for the world that WWII was fought when it was......

The thing about Bush & Co. is that the party of "personal responsibility," takes zero responsibilty for anything not from Mayberry, RFD.....it's always somebody else's fault, if it's no fun.

Charlie



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