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(Message started by: JenniferD on May 5^th, 2007, 4:36pm)

Title: help me identify this tree
Post by JenniferD on May 5^th, 2007, 4:36pm

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m211/darryljen/thorntree.jpg

We built our house 5 years ago, clearing some of the heavily wooded lot and put the house in the middle. Down at the end of our driveway is this tree, another is at the front of the property at the road's edge. The one at the drive is about 6 feet tall, straight trunk covered in thorns, then all the branches sprout right from the top.

The closest thing I can find to this is the floss silk tree, which has the same thorny trunk and branches the same, but what the hell would a tree indiginous to Brazil be doing growing in the woods in Virginia???

We're stumped [smiley=huh.gif]

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by Yorky on May 5^th, 2007, 4:48pm

its a "thorn of brazil"...."on vacation".... ;;D

(sorry)

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by medic1852 on May 5^th, 2007, 5:01pm

Black locust maybe? :-/
Rodger

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by JeffB on May 5^th, 2007, 5:07pm

In Latin it is the " Hornythornygreenusleafuspokyouinfingermakeyoubleedus".

Edit ti add:

I love whor.eticulture! ;;D

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by john_d on May 5^th, 2007, 5:12pm

any flowers or fruits that you have noticed? also some good identifiers are leaf shape and size, toothed or untoothed leaves, leaf formation on branches. Only know that because I had to identify something in my yard lately. Interesting the way it shoots out on the top like that.

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by LeLimey on May 5^th, 2007, 5:17pm

on 05/05/07 at 17:07:27, JeffB wrote:

In Latin it is the " Hornythornygreenusleafuspokyouinfingermakeyoubleedus".

Edit ti add:

I love whor.eticulture! ;;D

Jeff my little seedless wonder - the ONLY culture you have is under your fingernails :-*

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by JenniferD on May 5^th, 2007, 5:23pm

Jeff- LOL!!!!

John, the smaller tree just seemed to appear, although we probably never noticed it before. The older one near the road we haven't noticed bloom, but we have seen these weird pod-like things and wondered what they were.

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by George_J on May 5^th, 2007, 5:34pm

on 05/05/07 at 17:23:09, JenniferD wrote:

The older one near the road we haven't noticed bloom, but we have seen these weird pod-like things and wondered what they were.

Hm.

Ever see "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"?

Just wondering.

Best,

George

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by Jonny on May 5^th, 2007, 6:23pm

Its a Jonny tree...why?, because you dont know what it is and I say so!

Got it? ;;D

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by midwestbeth on May 5^th, 2007, 6:25pm

Quote:

Black locust maybe?
Rodger

Not a Black Locust. I have lots of Black Locusts on my property and they have really nasty thorns on the branches, not the trunk...........I've had lots of flat tires over the years.............and the thorns can go through all but steel plated shoes/boots.

It's hard to tell, but it does seem to have the same charactoristics of a Floss Silk Tree. I will show this picture to people who know more than me about trees and see what I can find out. I'm curious.

Beth

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by Mr. Happy on May 5^th, 2007, 7:43pm

It definitely ain't no damned Black Locust.
I know that bush. It's evil. Kill it, before one of the kids runs into it and puts out their eye. It's one angry bush to have that many thorns, and bares no one good will. Lop it off, burn it, and pour Triox on the stump.

Then have sex. (Preferably w/a partner.)
RJ

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by artonio7 on May 5^th, 2007, 8:04pm

on 05/05/07 at 19:43:08, Mr. Happy wrote:

or... send it to Heidi!

with warm regards,
Tony

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by crftymom on May 5^th, 2007, 8:30pm

This is annoying. And I'm hooked, all at the same time. I've looked all over the internet and don't have a clue. I did find that there are a couple types of floss silk trees in the US. One is found in Florida. So maybe it migrates? Good luck and let us know what you find.

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by medic1852 on May 5^th, 2007, 8:39pm

Found this on google. I also found a site that says it can grow tropics and subtropics. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floss_silk_tree) There is also a green house in California that sells them. Along southern Virginia beach it may be able to grow.
Rodger

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by BarbaraD on May 5^th, 2007, 8:46pm

It's a pretty green tree with thorns.... Problem solved. ::)

Hell, I don't know a petunia from a pansy.... Trees are green or brown... [smiley=huh.gif]

Hugs BD

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by alchemy on May 5^th, 2007, 9:05pm

Chewy's family tree

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by Rosybabe on May 5^th, 2007, 9:50pm

would you please post a pic of the leaves?

I have been looking but nothing yet.....

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by JenniferD on May 6^th, 2007, 9:55am

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m211/darryljen/branch.jpg

this is a pic of the leaf pattern, off of one of the main branches. The branches also have thorns but smaller than on the trunk.

I found 6 of the trees; the larger 10' +/- at the roadside, the 6' tree, and 4 sapplings around the 6' tree.

I am intrigued.

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by burnt-toast on May 6^th, 2007, 10:06am

I really had to scour the field guides for this one but I believe it's Aralia Spinosa (L.) - common names - Devils-Walkingstick, Hercules-Club or Prickly-Ash.

Distribution: New Jersy and New York South to central Florida, west to E. Texas, and North to SE. Missouri. Naturalized to to New England, S. Ontario and Wisconsin: to 3,500' and sometimes up to 5,000' in Southern Appalachians.

Description: Spiny, aromatic, shrub or small tree with 1 (sometimes several) stout and usually unbalanced trunk with large compound leaves (formed on secondary blade which that is attached to a main stem) appearing not toothed but having tiny finely saw toothed edges. Leaves width sometimes nearly as wide as length, ovate or broadly elliptical. Sometimes with a few spreading branches and thin crown - (with clusters of tiny flowers????), it can grow to form thickets.

Some additional information would be helpful for accurate identification but check out the following link it may be helpful. (there is a row of pics. on the right)

http://davesgarden.com/pf/go/1658/

Occasionally planted in the Victorian era as a grotesque ornamental. The aromatic spicy roots and fruit were used by early settlers in home remedies including a cure for toothache.

Tom

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by JenniferD on May 6^th, 2007, 10:15am

That sure looks like it! Thanks Tom :D

Angelica Tree
Botanical: Aralia spinosa
Family: N.O. Araliaceae
Description
Constituents
Medicinal Action and Uses
---Synonyms---Hercules Club. Toothache Tree. Prickly Elder. Prickly Ash, though not to be confused with the better-known Prickly Ash.
---Parts Used---Bark, root and berries.
---Habitat---Virginia and Japan.

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by burnt-toast on May 6^th, 2007, 10:30am

Found it in "The Audubon Society Field Guide to North American Trees - Eastern Region". This is part of a great series of field hand books with detailed reference photos (Leaves (summer/fall), bark, flowers, fruits/nuts) cross referenced to detailed descriptions - easy to carry and reference in the field.

Tom

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by Gator on May 6^th, 2007, 2:14pm

We had a tree on our property when I was growing up that grandpa called a Toothache Tree, but it didn't look anything like that. that thing is downright scary. Our tree was an actual tree with ash colored bark and rosebushish type thorns that covered the trunk and limbs. If you stripped off a small piece of bark and chewed it, it would numb your mouth better than Orajel.

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by cootie on May 6^th, 2007, 2:55pm

Did you ever figure out the name of this tree for sure yet.....I love stuff like that and live in the woods and tons of huge flower beds and inside plants and trees....was wondering if it could more or less be sum sort of shrub type plant ? Sum of them do get thorns and will get very tall......and depending on the direct sunlight they get they can vary in stalk size or thickness of branches and size of leaves. I have alot of bazzar inside plants that are trees/shrubs so was just wondering. Home of the buckeye tree Pam

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by Rosybabe on May 6^th, 2007, 5:08pm

You see Jenni!

it will look beautiful when it blooms!!!

and you will save on Orajel

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by JenniferD on May 6^th, 2007, 6:45pm

on 05/06/07 at 17:08:07, Rosybabe wrote:

You see Jenni!

[smiley=hug.gif] [smiley=hug.gif] [smiley=hug.gif]

Only very special people in my life call me that........

you are now one of them :D

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by Rosybabe on May 6^th, 2007, 7:04pm

on 05/06/07 at 18:45:44, JenniferD wrote:

[smiley=hug.gif] [smiley=hug.gif] [smiley=hug.gif]

Only very special people in my life call me that........

you are now one of them :D

Thank You!! [smiley=hug.gif]

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by artonio7 on May 8^th, 2007, 3:40am

Soooo... did you keep the tree or chop it down, dig it out and poison the earth from which it sprouted?

with warm regards,
Tony

Title: Re: help me identify this tree
Post by Mac_Muz on May 9^th, 2007, 10:07am

Pretty little tree what ever it is...

For sure it isn't black locust, which has longer thorns perpendicular to one another. Black locust also is extreamly rot resisitant, and is said to last as a fence post 10 years longer than granite...

With care black locust makes great woodstove wood, but can burn so hot it can warp the stove. It sucks as camp fire wood coming to charr in even lumps at equal spacing and once that hppens the coals tend to explode from the main core and fly off blue hot.

The leaf pattern is much like ash and locust, and at first I thought it was a locust, more like the honey locust, but after looking closely I can't say what it is...

The single pic of the leaves is really just one leaf.

Odd trees were brought here in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. In Ipswich Mass I know of one Spanish Cork Tree, which is what bark makes wine bottle cork from. There is no way that tree wasn't planted in days past on purpose.