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Title: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Redd on May 1st, 2007, 8:24am Lets keep a tally on just how high gas prices go over the summer across the nation. It may help us folks who are planning to take some road trips over the vacation season to budget if we can see the price trends. Central WI $2.99.9 average as of this morning. |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by jimmers on May 1st, 2007, 9:31am I have been thinking about this. It seems to me that once the initial high price shock wears off, we (my self included) just seem to accept it and move on and say very little about it anymore. I have however personally been trying to plan trips more carefully and avoiding the unecessary ones. But maybe thats the whole point of it all? Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Brewcrew on May 1st, 2007, 10:17am Good God, Jimbo! You're starting to sound like one of them there "L" words! ;;D Just filled up 30 minutes ago in Milwaukee. $3.099. I've seen several at $3.199. |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Maffumatt on May 1st, 2007, 10:53am $2.85 |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Kopfschmerz on May 1st, 2007, 12:12pm on 05/01/07 at 10:17:45, Brewcrew wrote:
I seriously doubt that the oil companies are raising their gasoline prices to teach us to conserve gasoline. Most people use their vehicles to go to work, shopping, etc. and really can't cut back that much on how much gas they use. Whether you are a "L" or a "C", the oil companies are only interested in the "P" word and want us to use as much gas as possible. The price of gasoline has gone up about $.10 per gallon in the past week and it is not unrealistic for the price to be $4.00 per gallon by the summer and guess who will be laughing all the way to the bank? Use your car as little as possible and invest what you save in gas in oil company stocks! I find it amazing how many Americans I see driving big SUVs and other gas guzzlers-unfortunately, they are becoming popular over here, but so far only a few people have them. |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Redd on May 1st, 2007, 12:23pm I'm a sales rep, and I drive between clients alot during the week, just a part of my job, to pick up ad copy, proof ads, get payments, make presentaions and sign contracts, deliver tearsheets and the list can go on and on. Oh we can get mileage reimbursement, but at .28 cents a mile? Please, ...maintanance and higher insurance rates eat that up. Hollywood CA was at $3.69.9 |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by BobG on May 1st, 2007, 1:26pm In Southern Nevada the cheapest gas yesterday was $3.09. 2 weeks ago it was $2.82. |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by The mad viking on May 1st, 2007, 2:39pm We are paying 12,05 norwegian kroners for 1 ONE litre of gas Any better? I believe that 1 gallon=3,7 litre Svenn |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Brewcrew on May 1st, 2007, 2:59pm on 05/01/07 at 12:12:40, Kopfschmerz wrote:
Did you see the little ;;D at the end of the sentence, dude? Lighten up a little. Your stomach lining will thank you. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Mosaicwench on May 1st, 2007, 3:06pm Excuse me for mentioning this, but we are not the only people on this planet using gasoline. China's and India's rate of gasoline consumption has gone up exponentially in the last 10 years due to many factors, including their booming economies. Supply and demand - that's all it is. |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 1st, 2007, 3:17pm on 05/01/07 at 15:06:53, Mosaicwench wrote:
While that might be part of the reason for the long term rise in the price per barrel, it does not account for the $1 rise in the price per gallon of gas in the last 2 months. Gas in the real Milwaukie has gone from 2.29 to 3.29 since February. By the way, Bill, Milwaukie was Milwaukie before Milwaukee was Milwaukee. (or at least we keep tellin' ourselves that) ;;D |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Brewcrew on May 1st, 2007, 3:23pm on 05/01/07 at 15:17:52, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
You keep telling yourself that, B. ;) |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Turts on May 1st, 2007, 3:53pm Quote:
if thats true, then we pay $4.88 per gallon ($1.32 per litre) thats for basisc unleaded, fuel for the bike, premium unleaded is even higher, Turts luckily I can ride my kangaroo to work ;) |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by pattik on May 1st, 2007, 4:43pm This seems like a good time to bring back the Jay Leno method of saving on gas. ;;D http://media.putfile.com/Gas94 |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by alienspacebabe on May 1st, 2007, 4:47pm $3.199 for my regular car. $3.399 for my BMW so what am I driving? the Bimmer, of course - can't put the top down on the other car (without a chainsaw). |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by dougW on May 1st, 2007, 4:51pm Vancouver Island, BC Canada. $123 a litre $4.92 a US gallon. eh?? |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by LeLimey on May 1st, 2007, 4:56pm $9.59 a UK gallon here - I prefer working it out in £'s - it doesn't sound like I'm being screwed so much! :o |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Redd on May 1st, 2007, 5:01pm Holy CRAP Helen. I sure hope there is good public transportation you can use near you. But when you think about it, go to a tavern here in the states and we are willing to pay 3 dollars for 12 oz of beer. Or 4 bucks a pack for smokes? Guess we could save for gas money by quitting drinking and smoking? But then life would really be dull.... ;;D |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by LeLimey on May 1st, 2007, 5:03pm We do have pretty good public transport here, buses into town from right outside my house every 15 minutes and its cheaper to use the train for trips to London but I do drive alot as well - I love it to be honest! My car is quite economical too (when you stick to under 70mph that is... ;;D ) |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Kopfschmerz on May 1st, 2007, 5:26pm on 05/01/07 at 14:59:14, Brewcrew wrote:
My stomach is OK Brew; with my chronic CH I can only drive to and from work, about 8KM each way, before the pain gets too bad, so a tankful lasts me quite a while. I still think that we ought to teach the oil companies a lesson and drive as little as possible-walking is healthy and helps to get rid of our own supply of internal gas ::)-I love sauerkraut! |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by ClusterChuck on May 1st, 2007, 6:46pm on 05/01/07 at 14:39:36, The mad viking wrote:
12,05 NOK=2.02 USD 1 litre = 0.264172051 US gallons Therefore, 1 US gallon is 7.648 USD in Norway ... I think ... Chuck |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Charlie on May 1st, 2007, 6:53pm Jamestown, NY: $3.05 Monday Charlie |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Paul98 on May 1st, 2007, 7:41pm If they took the 10% ETOH out of the freeking gas the MPG would go up 10-15% and that would help supply. People don't realize how detramental ethanol is to gas mileage. The ethanol was a political move for the corn growers and is in fact worse for the environment, the cars, the food industry and your wallet. Guess who you can blame for that one? By summer prices will be ~$3.5-3.8/ gal. Much more is a refinery goes down or supply is inturupted. At 40K mi/ year it hits me hard. >:( -P. |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Mosaicwench on May 1st, 2007, 8:40pm on 05/01/07 at 19:41:41, Paul98 wrote:
I live in a county where it is REQUIRED to have ethanol in every gallon - because we supposedly have bad air quality - yeah right. We sometimes drive 40 to 70 miles out of the area to fill up our gas cans with NON-ethanol gas. If ethanol is so great, why does it have to be mandated? Shouldn't it just speak for itself?? [smiley=furious.gif] |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by stevegeebe on May 1st, 2007, 10:02pm Hurricane Season is a month away. Sure hope WE don't have one hit the coast of US this year. I will be filling all of the containers purchaced in 2005 beginning next month. $2.89 here. Steve G |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Gator on May 1st, 2007, 11:41pm Just filled up my wife's Explorer and Zack's van at $2.789 with the 3 cents off for using a WalMart shopping card. $55.60 for the Explorer and $67.32 for the van. That's just freaking nuts! The problem with trying to stick it to the oil companies by driving less, is that most people (at least most people I know) only drive when they have to as it is. Living in a rural area gets expensive on petrol. It's a daily 15 mile round trip into town for Zack to go to school. The wife drives 120 miles round trip for work each day. That won't change no matter how much gas goes up and the oil companies know it. They are making enough profit off the necessity driving overall that they can survive drivers cutting out sight seeing for a while. They know people won't not drive for long. Americans can't sit still for too long. As for cancer sticks, the wife's smokes (Carnival Light 100's) are $15.65 per carton in the tribal smoke shop. I remember saying if cigs ever got over $1.00 per pack we'd both quit. Neither of us did, though. It took a bout of pneumonia to make me stop. Jane still smokes like a chimney. [smiley=nono.gif] |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by George_J on May 2nd, 2007, 2:38am Average $3.04 in Boise right now. This is gonna get ugly this summer. Best, George |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by The mad viking on May 2nd, 2007, 2:52am $123,79 or 740,- NOK for 1 carton of regular ciggies to Svenn |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Gator on May 2nd, 2007, 8:38am on 05/02/07 at 02:38:39, George_J wrote:
Yep. The fire at the Wynnewood, OK facility (lightning struck a huge storage tank) and the problems at the Texas refinery are adding to higher costs for all of us. With the hurricane predictions being for a worse than normal season, the prices are sure to go through the roof. God help us if a major hurricane makes landfall, especially in the gulf region. |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Margi on May 2nd, 2007, 10:29am This subject was on our news last night. Prices are still really going up here in Canada as well. Vancouver was $1.28/litre, Calgary $1.09, Montreal $1.17, St. John's, Newfoundland $1.16. The metric conversion is 1 US Gallon = 3.79 litres, so we're pretty much in line with what you're paying. Now, I work in the energy industry, albeit for a service company NOT an oil company. This is all about greed. The projected rig count is way down for the coming year and the big boys are panicking. Yet, they are still recording record profits while cheerfully blaming the war in Iraq for the high prices. The truth is that summer driving season is coming and it's time to jack the prices to capitalize on the weekend trips. You watch, it will spike again for every long weekend. I'm thinkin we'll probably just camp in our motorhome while it is parked in our backyard! Oh and smokes....about $80 a carton here, or $10 a pack. ::) Can you say TAX GOUGING?? |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Mastifflvr28 on May 2nd, 2007, 12:25pm $3.39 up in the great pacific northwest, whooo hoooo blech Oh wait...I found an am/pm today and paid $3.25...whoo freakin hoooo Mast |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Gator on May 2nd, 2007, 2:53pm Actually, the biggest problem with gas prices is the environmentalist wacko movement. They are quite content with us paying $8.00 a gallon or more for gas. There's some notion that if Europe has to pay that much, we should to. What kind of bullshit is that? If they want to pay that much, let them move to Europe and be happy. If the oil companies can turn a profit at $1.00 a gallon, why should we pay more just to make things "more in line" with Europe? Our internal affairs are nobody's business but our own. If Europe doesn't think it's fair, then let them fight their own governmental taxing and corporate corruption and leave us alone. You wouldn't see Europe jumping on the "fairness" band wagon if we were paying $20.00 a gallon. They would pay their $8.00 a gallon and laugh at us. Ooops. Sorry. [Rant mode off] Anyways, what I started to say was, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the environmentalist wackos are out there squeaking every day to the various government officials who set policy, while the average citizens just bitch amongst themselves. If the people who suffer because of these weirdos would direct their bitching to their congress people we'd have a much bigger voice in how things are done. Here is how I see it: 1. Restrictions on drilling are keeping oil companies out of some of the largest oilfields in North America. We need to open new areas off the coast of Florida and California for exploration. This NIMBY crap has to stop. They use oil products too, why cant they allow drilling 50 miles out or more? Alaska has a large reserve of oil and gas, why not drill up there? 2. There have been no new oil refineries built in the last 30 plus years. We need to allow the oil companies to build more refining capacity. 3. The federal government has clean air standards that are too restrictive and fines that are crazy and of course every penny the oil companies pay gets charged is added to the price of gas. 4. Speculators set oil prices, not the oil companies. These speculators are betting that oil prices will go up or down based on politics. When some OPEC country sneezes, the price per barrel goes up. When all is quiet, the price goes down. 5. We are paying state and federal governments a fortune in taxes on gasoline. We need to get busy telling our government how things are going to be done. 6. When the government taxes or fines the oil companies, or when any group files massive lawsuits against the oil companies, they just pass it on to us in higher prices. Yes, the oil companies make a big profit. That's why you go into business - to make a profit. Most of them put a large percentage of that money back into research and development and perks for their employees and investors. And what is wrong with a private company doing that? If you owned a business and made a big profit one year and decided to pass some of it back to your employees, should anyone be able to tell you that you can't do that? Not no, but HELL NO! We have to get together and get vocal in our government. If we want fair gas prices, fair taxes, and a strong social security program, we need to get off our asses and talk to our elected officials by every means of communication available. And we need to get out and VOTE! |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by LeLimey on May 2nd, 2007, 4:40pm Can I just add here that its not the price per barrel the oil companies pay - its the tax that is added on by the government that makes our petrol the price it is. |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Charlie on May 2nd, 2007, 8:37pm $3.07 today..... up two more cents. It's the end of the world. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/wild arms.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by stevegeebe on May 2nd, 2007, 11:14pm Gator, my good friend. 1. Let them continue to drill off of the coast of LA. Chevron hit what...a 15 billion barrel reserve in a deep drilling operation off of the LA coast. So what if a spill happens...they are losing their coast anyway...who gives a shit! 2. Hey... we in LA have tons of refineries. Look up Cancer Alley. It is between New Orleans and Baton Rouge. Just build another one in the spaces left between the the biggest ones that now exist to provide fuel and chemicals for others. I pass over three natural gas pipe-lines, each day, on my way to work..all, headed North.... beautiful things cut right through the forest. 3. Stop allowing poluters to purchace polution credits from progressive companies that give a shit. Maybe they really don't give a shit...maybe it's about profit and image? 4. Oil is a commodity...that is all. 5. Gas taxes pay for the upkeep of the road system. If you think it is bad now just wait till gas taxes are repealed. The roads are a sensitive system and without some repair, will become a major problem. Rail is so bad we can do very little with it. Rail is going to be our biggest differed problem. We need to rebuild it now! 6. That is the cost of doing Business. America's business is Business. What would you do? Energy Companies want to continue to search for ways to provide energy. Why get into something else? We need electricity. I've been without it for a period of time to realize just how much we rely on it. Life was very different! If I'm making a load of money by providing power to the masses, then...well where do I invest my profits? The system is in place and we truely can have little chance of altering its direction....except.. to become, individually, less reliant on what we use. Think about it. It is simple economics. We are spending our endowment and the near future generations will someday be telling stories about how Humans once flew aroud the Planet in jets. Change yourself...reduce energy consumption and learn the benefits of composting. Steve, who is still a little bit bitter...G |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on May 2nd, 2007, 11:55pm on 05/02/07 at 14:53:23, Gator wrote:
Bro, increasing pump capacity and refinery capacity is well and great, and it probably is needed. BUT, I think this is a band-aid and is sacrificing the distant future for the near future. This money that you are talking about investing in new production would better be invested today in alternative fuels. Who knows what those new fuels are going to be, I doubt it will be distilled plants like corn because we just dont have enough water to grow that much corn. Whatever the new fuel is, needs to be researched and implemented NOW. All the oil and gas in Alaska is already money in the bank, we own it. I'm no economist, but i would estimate in 25 to 50 years, oil will be worth several hundred dollars per barrel. I would much rather leave that oil in Alaska for my daughter or future grandkids. I guess this is commodity speculation, which should have no place in government, but I think we could all agree that XX billion barrels of oil will be worth much more in 25 or 50 years than it is today. Not just financial worth, but also the intangible value. Rather than rape Alaska now at $60 a barrel, I would prefer to rape it later for $250+. Tighten the belt a little today so that tommorow we are sitting pretty. And you know, damn well, that if Exxon decided to spend a shitload of money increasing infrastructure..........you aint gettin' no price reduction at the pump. Course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. B$ |
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Title: Re: Gouged at the pump.... Post by Kirk on May 3rd, 2007, 3:33am Shell just sold all of its production platforms off of the CA coast. All of their drilling rigs are stacked. Wonder what the Dutch know we don't. More to the point. Filled my 4X today at $3.29.9 = $142.65. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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