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(Message started by: artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:45pm)
Title: Violent Video Games
Post by artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:45pm
Violent Video Games

Yay if you are for
Nay if you are against


with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by ClusterChuck on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:49pm
Now THIS is something I am DEFINATELY against!!!

I am a long time believer in them being part (just PART) of the cause for today's event ...

Chuck
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:51pm

on 04/16/07 at 18:49:53, ClusterChuck wrote:
Now THIS is something I am DEFINATELY against!!!

I am a long time believer in them being part (just PART) of the cause for today's event ...

Chuck


is that a NAY?
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Rosybabe on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:52pm
violent video games is just only a way for them to practice shooting...in the comfort of their own home

I vote NAY

modified to clarify...

vote Nay to allow them or Yay to favor a Ban.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by ClusterChuck on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:56pm

on 04/16/07 at 18:51:18, artonio7 wrote:
is that a NAY?

SHEESH!!!


I vote NAY!!!!

I AM against them ...


LOL
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:58pm

on 04/16/07 at 18:45:02, artonio7 wrote:
Violent Video Games

Yay if you are for
Nay if you are against


with warm regards,
Tony


I become physically ill when I have attempted to play any of these sort of games.

I say hook them up to a unit say an electrical charge... when you inflict any harm on the target... the shooter gets tazered in real liife.... just a thought.

I say Yay to games promoting empathy for the victim and Nay to Kill for thrill Violent games.

with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Paul98 on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:04pm
Nay!  It disassociates violence with consequence.

-P.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Jonny on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:06pm
Yay!

Ive been playing the damn things for many years and I aint killed anyone, A&B with a deadly weapon W/ intent to murder (Car), sure....but I never killed anyone. ;;D

Its not the game, its the person!
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by midwestbeth on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:12pm
Being exposed to violence on a continuous basis will desensitize a person, especially a young child.  The parents are the ones who need to police what thier children are doing and who they are doing it with.  The conputer, tv, and video games have become the babysitter of the 21st century and that is very sad.

NAY I'm against them, but Aye, they are not going to go away as long as there is a consumer to purchase them.

Beth
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by George_J on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:12pm
If the question is whether I would acquire inherently violent video games for use by me or my kid, then--Nay--against.  Won't allow them in the house.

That being said, nearly any video or computer game can be rendered disturbing by an inquisitive and experimental mind.  When she was little, my kid used to put her Sims characters into rooms with no windows or doors, with nothing but paintings of clowns on velvet to look at.  Walled them up like monks until they went insane and wasted away.  It was horrible and pathetic.    

If the question is whether I would I consider some sort of draconian restriction of inherently violent video games by the government, I have to say that I don't much care for that idea.

Best,

George
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Paul98 on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:15pm

on 04/16/07 at 19:06:15, Jonny wrote:
Yay!

Ive been playing the damn things for many years and I aint killed anyone, A&B with a deadly weapon W/ intent to murder (Car), sure....but I never killed anyone. ;;D

Its not the game, its the person!


Bro, how old were you when you first started playing them?  Big difference if you are 10 or 35.

-P.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:18pm

on 04/16/07 at 19:06:15, Jonny wrote:
Yay!

Ive been playing the damn things for many years and I aint killed anyone, A&B with a deadly weapon W/ intent to murder (Car), sure....but I never killed anyone. ;;D

Its not the game, its the person!


Yep... it is the person... I guess what I'm thinking is that if you teach a kid it's ok to kill... then he will. Yipee... free enterprise! As adults we would hardly encourage our children to go on a weekend sniper outing. Yet it seems to me that turning our heads and allowing kids to play these games is somehow giving them a nod and a wink that it's ok. One might argue that they are just games... I see them more as a training ground...  

with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Jonny on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:19pm

on 04/16/07 at 19:15:40, Paul98 wrote:
Bro, how old were you when you first started playing them?  Big difference if you are 10 or 35.

-P.


Dont know, when did they first come out?

Is super mario violent?....he does go around killing things ;;D
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Rosybabe on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:26pm
mario does not kill them.  he just sits on then, runs over them, kicks them out the curb, but killing??...no I don't remember   ;;D, I haven't seen any blood in any mario's games....no yet  ;)
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Mosaicwench on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:30pm

on 04/16/07 at 19:06:15, Jonny wrote:
Its not the game, its the person!


Dear God . . twice in one day I agree with Jonny.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Jonny on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:31pm

on 04/16/07 at 19:26:47, Rosybabe wrote:
mario does not kill them.  he just sits on then, runs over them, kicks them out the curb, but killing??...no I don't remember   ;;D, I haven't seen any blood in any mario's games....no yet  ;)


Then lets talk about Zelda......if you have a sword and swing it....your killing, no? ;;D
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Mosaicwench on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:36pm
And let's take it even further.  

One can keep all the guns and violent toys away from a boy child (no experience with girl kids) and they will make their toast, their finger, or their legos into a gun, a sword or another type of weapon.

They will "shoot" other children with rubber bands, with marshmallows, or with twigs.

As sexist as it sounds, boys DO this stuff and that's that - (it DOESN'T predict future behavior or mean they are doomed to grow up to massacre students or co-workers) IMHO, of course.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by john_d on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:44pm
Yay or nay what?

I am against government  censorship of video games.
 
How about spending some time thinking about these issues and looking at the facts rather than using 'control' as a band-aid for todays tragedy?  
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Langa on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:01pm
NAY!

Langa
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Lobster on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:05pm
Yay.  (keep them)

I also vote 'yay' to euthanizing stupid people before they can breed.  

Idiot/bad parents lead to idiot/stupid children, who think being a gangsta is a career.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Sean_C on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:59pm

on 04/16/07 at 19:44:14, john_d wrote:
Yay or nay what?

I am against government  censorship of video games.
 
How about spending some time thinking about these issues and looking at the facts rather than using 'control' as a band-aid for todays tragedy?  


I couldn't of said it better myself!!!!!!!!!

I'll stay with minority, it has nothing to do with the "M" rating on the video game, its the psychotic person behind the 9mm that is solely responsible.

Sean....................................
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by nani on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:10pm
Parental warnings are a good thing... I wish more parents read them.
I don't think we should censor those games, but I sure don't think young kids should play them. We can't legislate good parenting, and that's what this issue boils down to. It is possible to de-sensitize a young child with repeated exposure to violence.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:12pm
I hate most video games and certainly violent ones.
No matter what they say, it just ain't healthy. Kids get terrible information about what it's like to use weapons. Contrary to what you see on tv and movies, unless you are an extraordinary shot and not at all rattled, people can be pretty tough. Sometimes they keep coming after you. Kids need to know that it ain't a phaser they are using. It's not cinematic.

Alfred Hitchcock had a pretty good example of this in one of his later spy movies. I can't remember the title.

Censorship? No. Common sense? Yes

Charlie
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Sean_C on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:25pm
Boston, at this time has a higher murder rate than New York this year. Is it because of the video games, or because heroin is 4 dollars a bag?

Sean......................................

(sp)
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Linda_Howell on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:28pm

 
Quote:
de-sensitize a young child with repeated exposure to violence.  

 You betcha it does.  Big time.



I am one of the Nays.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Kirk on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:34pm
Yay. I love Quake 4`

[smiley=smokin.gif]
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:34pm
New York City is among the safest large cities in the world.

Charlie
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Gator on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:49pm
I have to agree that it is more the person than the games.  People who are mentally predisposed to violence will find violent outlets to express themselves with our without video games.  When younger, they might tear the wings off flies, burn ants with a magnifying glass, abuse animals, bully people, and escalatingly so on.  Millions of kids play video games without growing up to be mass murderers.  Some do, but there are just as many or more who grow up to kill that never played a video game in their lives.

As parents, my wife and I determined what was appropriate and inappropriate for our children.  There were some shows on television my children were not allowed to watch and some games they were not allowed to play.  They knew that at any moment I might ask them to get off the computer so I could see where they had been surfing.  If they went somewhere they weren't supposed to go, they were locked out of the computer for a period of time that my wife and I thought appropriate.

As distasteful as some games are and outright horrid others are, I have to stand against the government regulating what I am allowed to see, hear and do any more than it already does.  

I enjoy combat flight simulators.  Outside the real thing, there is nothing like going to guns and dogfighting with another plane.

688 Attack Sub was another favorite game of mine.  Seeking out and destroying an enemy you can't see, using only your instruments and instincts to outwit and sink their sub.

I also like the Hogan's Alley (shoot - don't shoot) kind of games.  

And there are times when there is nothing more satisfying than mindlessly toasting a few hundred alien invaders

I doubt that any of these games are what comes to mind when you think of violent games, but they do promote killing.  Once the major offenders are out of the way, the game police would have to continue justifying their existence or lose their jobs.  Who or what will they target next?
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:56pm

on 04/16/07 at 21:49:58, Gator wrote:
 Once the major offenders are out of the way, the game police would have to continue justifying their existence or lose their jobs.  Who or what will they target next?


Thongs!.... er.... I mean "Thanks" for a very provocative question.


;;D
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by minnie on Apr 16th, 2007, 10:24pm

on 04/16/07 at 21:49:58, Gator wrote:
I have to agree that it is more the person than the games.  People who are mentally predisposed to violence will find violent outlets to express themselves with our without video games.  When younger, they might tear the wings off flies, burn ants with a magnifying glass, abuse animals, bully people, and escalatingly so on.  Millions of kids play video games without growing up to be mass murderers.  Some do, but there are just as many or more who grow up to kill that never played a video game in their lives.

As parents, my wife and I determined what was appropriate and inappropriate for our children.  There were some shows on television my children were not allowed to watch and some games they were not allowed to play.  They knew that at any moment I might ask them to get off the computer so I could see where they had been surfing.  If they went somewhere they weren't supposed to go, they were locked out of the computer for a period of time that my wife and I thought appropriate.

As distasteful as some games are and outright horrid others are, I have to stand against the government regulating what I am allowed to see, hear and do any more than it already does.  

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Gator hope you don't mind me quoting only half your post.You said what I was thinking.(except about the wife part for obvious reasons  ;)  LOL ) My girls play video games but they' are the type that plug right into the tv.started with the old atari games and they have disney and nickleodian games and the likes.I don't know the other play systems and games so we don't have them.thats just me I control what my girls watch,do on the computers,listen to and play in my house.I hope they take these rules with them at their friends houses.I usually do talk to their friends parents.luckily they all have the same rules.one set of friends do have what I personally believe are to violent games but the girls and my friends know my rules and so they play non-violent games there. parential control...
I believe is the key.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by JeffB on Apr 16th, 2007, 11:11pm

on 04/16/07 at 18:45:02, artonio7 wrote:
Violent Video Games

Yay if you are for
Nay if you are against


with warm regards,
Tony


Are we Mr. gallup today, Tony??

I do the flying games. So far I have conquered the skys over Russia, Germany, France, Spain and Boise, Id.
Lost a lot of guys at the battle Ruby Ridge.!
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Lobster on Apr 16th, 2007, 11:42pm
Getting ready to fire up Battlefield 2142.
On TeamSpeak with buddies from all over the hemisphere that I would not know were it not for BF2142.

Of course, it is not really a violent game as the other team is all 'bad guys'.  Unless I am on that team... then my team that I am no longer on is the 'bad guys'.

/I call it a 'War on Terror' to justify my crimes ;)
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 11:50pm

on 04/16/07 at 23:11:46, JeffB wrote:
Are we Mr. gallup today, Tony??

I do the flying games. So far I have conquered the skys over Russia, Germany, France, Spain and Boise, Id.
Lost a lot of guys at the battle Ruby Ridge.!


Just curious... I wanted to see the and compare the responses between two interesting topics.

As far as video games... I love games like Myst and Riven... slightly challenging yet designed to soothe.

with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Gator on Apr 17th, 2007, 12:37am
It is interesting the number of people who are against the government interfering with their right to own a gun, but would readily give up another bit of their diminishing freedoms to allow the government to say what games they can and can't play.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Lobster on Apr 17th, 2007, 1:00am

on 04/17/07 at 00:37:50, Gator wrote:
It is interesting the number of people who are against the government interfering with their right to own a gun, but would readily give up another bit of their diminishing freedoms to allow the government to say what games they can and can't play.


Indeed.  Even more horrifying is that they are allowed to vote.  
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by artonio7 on Apr 17th, 2007, 1:14am

on 04/17/07 at 00:37:50, Gator wrote:
It is interesting the number of people who are against the government interfering with their right to own a gun, but would readily give up another bit of their diminishing freedoms to allow the government to say what games they can and can't play.


Interesting that the original question had nothing to do with regulation.... more personal choice.
It morphed into that assumption... then became a topic about govt. censorship.

Very interesting.

with warm regards,
Tony
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Lobster on Apr 17th, 2007, 2:06am

on 04/17/07 at 01:14:54, artonio7 wrote:
Interesting that the original question had nothing to do with regulation.... more personal choice.
It morphed into that assumption... then became a topic about govt. censorship.

Good point Tony.  
We all seem to be on heightened alert for our simple liberties.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Gator on Apr 17th, 2007, 2:26am

on 04/17/07 at 01:14:54, artonio7 wrote:
Interesting that the original question had nothing to do with regulation.... more personal choice.
It morphed into that assumption... then became a topic about govt. censorship.

Very interesting.

with warm regards,
Tony


You have to admit that after your question on gun restriction, it was a logical assumption that you were referring to a ban on them.  Your own very strong reaction to the question leads people farther down that path.

Besides, it's been that kind of day.  

Whenever there is a violent event take place, the knee jerk crowd runs around looking for something to ban to make themselves feel safe and giving up their freedom a little bit at a time in the process.  Why? For the false sense of security it gives them.

Guns would logically take the first hit, but then there are always those who go out of their way to find an excuse for negative behavior.  A person can't just be bad/evil/whatever.  There has to be an underlying reason.  In the search for an underlying cause for violence, one that invariably pops up is kids playing violent video games.  "It's not the man's fault.  It's the video games.  Let's ban the violent video games."  Never mind the fact that they don't know if the man ever played video games before in his life, let alone violent ones.



on 04/17/07 at 02:06:57, Lobster wrote:
Good point Tony.  
We all seem to be on heightened alert for our simple liberties.


And this is a bad thing because...

I wish we were more alert about the loss of our simple liberties when there wasn't a focusing event like yesterday.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Yorky on Apr 17th, 2007, 2:45am

on 04/16/07 at 18:45:02, artonio7 wrote:
Violent Video Games

Yay if you are for
Nay if you are against


with warm regards,
Tony
in my eyes ....they stop children "playing out...running....around ....also as them sat snacking...no exercise....
this also stops some of them , making friendships.......thus in oldr life (start playing at 10....start in the real world, for work at  18)

i  think they some find it harder to.bond normally,with normality...

its the parents that should ...watch for the signs  (but in this day and age....a lot of parents are just happy to get their kid out of their hair....
for 13 hours aday

yay/nay ?
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by taraann on Apr 17th, 2007, 4:51am

on 04/16/07 at 19:06:15, Jonny wrote:
Yay!

Ive been playing the damn things for many years and I aint killed anyone, A&B with a deadly weapon W/ intent to murder (Car), sure....but I never killed anyone. ;;D

Its not the game, its the person!

OMG i agree with Jonny wow!  I don't let Sammie play (for ex GTA) just cause I dont like him veggie in front of it for hours killing ppl, but I truly do not think it's cause he's going to go out and go and kill someone because he did it on a video game!
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by ClusterChuck on Apr 17th, 2007, 5:19am

on 04/17/07 at 00:37:50, Gator wrote:
would readily give up another bit of their diminishing freedoms to allow the government to say what games they can and can't play.

My vote of NAY was for the games, for myself, and my children, not for government regulation.  

I vote NAY for government regulation.

Chuck
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Gator on Apr 17th, 2007, 7:37am
That is very comforting, Chuck.  I hope more of the people who said Nay feel that way.  

I don't have a problem with limiting access of these games to minors.  I think of it more as a parental responsibility that an government one, but it would appear that a large percentage of parents just don't get that involved in their kids' lives.  Mark them with a rating and enforce the sale/rental of them like you enforce the sale of cigarettes or Playboy magazine to minors.

But as an adult, if I want to play a video game with violent content, then the government should have no thoughts on the matter, let alone any say.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by chewy on Apr 17th, 2007, 7:44am
Just finished playing "Who Porked Anna Nicole".

The challenge is to cut into the line when Zsa Zsa appears.

The only violence is bitch slapping the attorney in front of you for bonus points.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Brewcrew on Apr 17th, 2007, 8:02am
I have only played video games a handful of times.

1. I suck at them.

2. They do not interest me.

3. Every time I ended up asking myself what other productive or interesting thing I could have been doing.

4. I suck at them.

That being said, I am NEVER interested in entertaining the notion that the government can make a better choice than I can. So, a big NAY! I can say no thank you all by myself.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Melissa on Apr 17th, 2007, 9:29am
Well, I remember the first time I played Mortal Kombat.  I was 15 yrs old and  I was horrified at the graphics!!  BUT, I kept playing it and got really good at it.  It was challenging for me to find all the players special moves and I became desensitized to the graphics because I knew it was just a video game.  
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by thomas on Apr 17th, 2007, 9:38am

on 04/16/07 at 19:06:15, Jonny wrote:
Yay!

Ive been playing the damn things for many years
Its not the game, its the person!



Ditto.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Yorky on Apr 17th, 2007, 10:03am
http://www.neave.com/games/asteroids/http://www.neave.com/games/asteroids/

harmless fun  ;;D
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by midwestbeth on Apr 17th, 2007, 12:11pm

Quote:
As distasteful as some games are and outright horrid others are, I have to stand against the government regulating what I am allowed to see, hear and do any more than it already does.  


Exactly.  
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Gator on Apr 17th, 2007, 3:44pm
[smiley=ohjez.gif] Well, I just turned on the radio and within minutes heard the first rumblings of "Blame the video games."  [smiley=nono.gif]
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Redd on Apr 17th, 2007, 7:26pm
Blame Blame Blame...

It's not so simple.  As I've written on the other poll, it's a multi faceted issue, and can't be Blamed away.

I memtioned Society and it's norms and beliefs and expectations, but there is awful lot of things intertwined in this as well.  So many factors of sociological construct.  Religion, economic, I think there are 6 factors and I can't remember them all off the top of my head.  (forgive my CRS)

The interplay of each of these factors and how one views themself within this structure, and the validity of that view to the individual and how the belief system of the individual is either fed or starved...

yes very conveluted...

There is no one simple answer.  But we humans want it to be simple.  Something diffinative.  Change one thing or a few things and solve the problem.  

It's just not that easy.
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by Charlie on Apr 18th, 2007, 1:25am
I find all video games boring anyway, not that there's anything wrong with that...  :D  http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/scare white.gif

I'll never understand playing solitaire on a screen. Get a deck of cards. It's cheaper and you get a modicum of exercise.  

Charlie
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by deltadarlin on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:07am
I guess it's much easier to blame *something* external rather than actually looking to see if there is a real problem (which it appears this young man had).

Does anyone remember the cartoons most of us grew up with?  They were quite violent.  

Where I grew up, *fights* between rival towns were the norm for a Friday or Saturday night (well, when you live in the sticks, you have to find something to do).  Fists and an occasional beer bottle across the head were as violent as they got (and most of these guys probably had a shotgun on the rack in their trucks).

Same old, same old with teenage drinking.  Kids have been drinking for years (HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU STARTED BUYING ALCOHOL??????  I think i was 15?) before they turned of *age*.  

Personally, I think a lot of it comes from having kids raised in the *me* generation, they don't have to accept responsibility for anything they do, because it is so obvious that their behavior is due to external factors beyond their control!  Somewhere along the way, responsibility for one's own actions has been taken away and replaced by the *blame* game.

'darlin
Title: Re: Violent Video Games
Post by BarbaraD on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:44am

on 04/18/07 at 08:07:32, deltadarlin wrote:
I guess it's much easier to blame *something* external rather than actually looking to see if there is a real problem (which it appears this young man had).

Does anyone remember the cartoons most of us grew up with?  They were quite violent.  

Where I grew up, *fights* between rival towns were the norm for a Friday or Saturday night (well, when you live in the sticks, you have to find something to do).  Fists and an occasional beer bottle across the head were as violent as they got (and most of these guys probably had a shotgun on the rack in their trucks).

Same old, same old with teenage drinking.  Kids have been drinking for years (HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU STARTED BUYING ALCOHOL??????  I think i was 15?) before they turned of *age*.  

Personally, I think a lot of it comes from having kids raised in the *me* generation, they don't have to accept responsibility for anything they do, because it is so obvious that their behavior is due to external factors beyond their control!  Somewhere along the way, responsibility for one's own actions has been taken away and replaced by the *blame* game.

'darlin

I think you just put your finger on the root of the problem... The Blame Game. Everyone wants to Blame someone or SOMETHING for every action.

My dear sainted mother had a saying - "Remember, everytime you point a finger, you have four more pointing back at you!" Makes sense to me.

Hugs BD


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