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Title: Gun restriction in the usa Post by artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:05pm Gun restriction in the USA All opposed say Nay All in favor say Aye with warm regards, Tony |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by BarbaraD on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:08pm Tony the only problem would be the ones who want the guns are gonna get them anyhow - so why penalize the honest guys? I'd have to vote NAY. Frankly I want the government OUT of my business. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by ClusterChuck on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:13pm Tragic as today has been, banning won't stop it. NAY Chuck |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Rosybabe on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:19pm I don't think banning will make any difference, those who commit crimes do not follow the law in the first place..What a ban would do for them? I have to say NAY... I want to have the option of defending myself just in case and I do own a gun and my husband made sure I know how to use it. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Jonny on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:20pm If a couple of people there had guns this probably would have had a better out come. Nay! |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by midwestbeth on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:20pm Quote:
You take away guns and the only guns that will be left will be in the hands of criminals. It's not the guns, but those sick individuals who are bent on death and destruction. Five children were killed here yesterday by their cousin who poured gasoline on the front porch and set the house on fire at 3:00am. The parents survived. Guns were not involved and the senseless deaths happened anyway. I vote NAY. Beth |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by midwestbeth on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:24pm Tony, What say you? Yea or Nay? Beth |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Mosaicwench on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:25pm on 04/16/07 at 18:20:00, Jonny wrote:
I agree with Jonny! Nay, Nay Nay!!! An armed populace are citizens. An Unarmed populace are subjects. I have a constitutional right to defend myself and my family and I will do it if necessary (but as luck would have it I live in one of only TWO states in the Union without a concealed carry law). [smiley=frown.gif] |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:27pm on 04/16/07 at 18:24:08, midwestbeth wrote:
I say Nay |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by thomas on Apr 16th, 2007, 6:32pm This is one of the biggest problems that I have with the "left", the want to make guns illegal, so now I can not protect myself from criminals who are STILL GOING to HAVE guns, because they are CRIMINALS and are going to break the law anyway. You only make the law-abiding citizen a sitting duck for the the CRIMINALS who will have guns no matter what. edit to add "nay for gun restrictions" |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by deltadarlin on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:17pm "They'll pry my gun from my cold dead fingers". |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Jackie on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:20pm on 04/16/07 at 19:17:22, deltadarlin wrote:
Me too, Darlin.... I guess if they try I'll become a criminal.... >:( cause I'm not giving up that right... Jacks 8) |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Sandy_C on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:23pm Yea! |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Brewcrew on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:30pm Nay, nay, a thousand times nay! (Oh, yeah - I only get one vote) Before Sandy voted, I thought I was starting to see the one common thread amongst CH'ers. Thus I was led to believe that if we all surrendered our firearms, we'd be cured! Thank God for Sandy! |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Gator on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:33pm NAY! When guns are outlawed, this outlaw will have one. (or more) ;) |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Lobster on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:38pm Nay. As The Mule indicated, if the shooter knew that every classroom had one or two people who were packing a legal concealed weapon, none of this would have happened today. A 'law' is not going to keep firearms out of the hands of illegals. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by jimmers on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:41pm Blaming the gun for the crime is like blaming the pencil when the word is spelled wrong. NAY! Jimmers |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by burnt-toast on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:46pm Nay, Washington, DC often ranks as the murder capital of the nation, yet has the most restrictive gun laws in the country. In more than 25 years following the DC gun ban, its murder rate has increased 51% while the rest of the nation experienced a 36% decrease. It’s easy to make knee jerk decisions in the face of senseless tragedies. It’s even easier when pushed by those interested in advancing their own agendas on the backs of such tragic and senseless events. Not long ago we were dealing with the nut-job that ran people down on a campus with his car. The fact is when a seriously disturbed individual decides to go on a rampage there isn’t much to keep them from finding ways to carry out acts of senseless violence. In the event that I am unlucky enough to cross paths with such an individual, or come face to face with an a$$hole that wants to rob or hurt my family - I prefer to be well armed and capable of ending the miserable SOB’s reign of terror - right then and there. There will be at least one less victim for the police to count when the finally get there. Tom |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by George_J on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:49pm Nay. Would restrictions do any good? I seriously doubt it. Any attempt to ban firearms in private hands would likely be a symbolic gesture, and nothing more. There are without doubt more than a hundred million firearms in private hands in the US. There's no shelf life, so a carefully concealed firearm could be passed down to ones' descendants as a fully functioning heirloom. Restrict ammunition? Heck, illegal substances aren't even remotely under control, despite the efforts of thousands of enforcement personnel and the expenditure of billions of dollars. Making ammunition isn't exactly high tech. I'll never forget a video I saw, years ago, showing Afghan rebels during the time of the Soviet occupation BUILDING AK-47/SKS automatic weapons. They forged them out of raw materials, and carved the stocks out of wood. The weapons worked just fine. It's minds that have to be changed, not laws. Much harder--but the only thing that will create a different world. JMO, FWIW. Best wishes, in sadness, George |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Lobster on Apr 16th, 2007, 7:50pm Here is my 'concealed carry' story of the month. All of my friends & I carried back in PA. Getting a permit is as easy as stopping by the courthouse, filling out a form, getting your pic taken, then waiting for the permit to show up. Anyway... my buddy Jeff sold something to a person in Halifax... a rural town. He was using his GPS to find the address, but the GPS was going flaky... telling him to turn right where only a corn-field existed. A trash couple decided they did not like how slowly my buddy was driving, thus they proceeded to ride his tail, flipping him the bird. After a mile or two Jeff pulled over, letting the trash drive on by. The rednecks decided to pull on over with him and kick his ass. The guy jumped out of their shit car, yelling up a storm as only trash can, and walked up to his window ready to slap him around. His mate was not happy, screaming at Cletus to get back in the car. The simple words 'Dude, I have a gun and will fucking kill you.' were all it took. He did not even have to pull it. The guy wordlessly climbed back into the car and drove away, without looking back. Moral of the story... no, you cannot have my firearms. Here is the best trash roadrage video ever... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh_gL7Az53o |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Sandy_C on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:03pm Obviously, I'm in the minority. But, let me define my definition of "gun control". Every citizen of this country should be allowed to have a gun. I have one. Gun control, in my most humble opinion, should be limited to what type of weapons we can privately own. Why do I need an automatic weapon, when the handgun I already own can do the job? A couple of bullets in the intruder's chest, problem solved. Why does a hunter need a weapon like an AK47 to kill a deer? If that's his weapon of choice, then he's not much of a hunter. I think that if this country began to regulate the import and sale of automatic weapons, and stop the import of these weapons, maybe, just maybe, we might begin to read a little less about tragedies like the one that happened today. Again, YES, we all can be armed to protect ourselves. Just how much firepower do we need for our personal protection? Sandy |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Brewcrew on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:12pm on 04/16/07 at 20:03:55, Sandy_C wrote:
Just a little more than the bad guys. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Jonny on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:14pm on 04/16/07 at 20:12:10, Brewcrew wrote:
Good answer! ;;D |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Lobster on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:22pm on 04/16/07 at 20:03:55, Sandy_C wrote:
I keep hearing gun control framed in the terms of 'how much does a hunter need' or 'how much does one need for self defense'. Actually, in some interpretations of law the ability to 'keep arms' has to do with maintaining the ability to overthrow the government should it become necessary to do so. Example: On the 10th anniversary of the our occupation of Iraq, the draft is reinstated. Both your kids are going, but by some stroke of luck the children of government officials are absent from the draft list, or all end up on stateside duty. Since the Supreme Court was stacked with extreme right wing justices, all legal challenges have failed. In short, government is broken and needs to be replaced. You decide to do something about it. You have a single shot slug gun (cuz that is all you needed to hunt) and a 22 revolver (cuz that is all you needed for defense). Just an example, but not something horribly difficult to imagine. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Turts on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:39pm My perspective from a country that does have gun restrictions: NAY!! the perpentrator, as a majority, regardless of their intended crime, will be armed with some sort of premeditated weapon. be it knife, scissors, lead pipe, baseball bat, bloodied syringe, hammmer or gun. I believe that a 'public' crime (unknown victims) would be lessened if victims had the possibility of being armed. as for 'private' crimes (ie. spousal, family) they are still going to occur. We need a balance of power in favor of the victim(s). However, there does need to be SOME level of restriction. as Sandy said, 2 bullets to the chest is just as effective as 22. there is no need for automatic weapons. as an after thought I wonder how many petty crimes have been commited in order to finance themselves with a black market weapon for the real intended crime. p.s. not that it matters, however i have never even seen or handled a firearm. Turts |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:56pm Quote:
Fully automatic weapons are illegal for you and me to own.....as are sawed off shotguns....etc. Collectors and such obtain permits to own them.....not many collectors are out shooting people with them either. Criminals obtain them by illegal means.... Bill |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Brewcrew on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:56pm on 04/16/07 at 20:39:31, Turts wrote:
Unless the bad guys have automatic weapons. And believe me, a lot of them do. Quote:
Well, a hell of a lot of good you're going to do during the revolution. ;;D |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Paul98 on Apr 16th, 2007, 8:59pm on 04/16/07 at 18:20:00, Jonny wrote:
I would agree with this! -P. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Mosaicwench on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:01pm on 04/16/07 at 20:03:55, Sandy_C wrote:
Gun control, IMHO, is hitting what I am aiming at. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Sean_C on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:04pm Huge NAY!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Paul98 on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:07pm on 04/16/07 at 21:01:40, Mosaicwench wrote:
This is a keeper! ;;D How true!!! -P. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Brewcrew on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:15pm on 04/16/07 at 21:01:40, Mosaicwench wrote:
Aim small, miss small. Now that's gun control! |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Lobster on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:16pm I am more worried about Zombie attacks, personally. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Kirk on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:29pm [quote author=Lobster link=I am more worried about Zombie attacks, personally.[/quote] You mean like Democrats? Nay [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Charlie on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:32pm Nay. I very much doubt that it would have any effect in this case either. It would be un-eforceable and very bloody to try in any case in a country that has gun shows. I know. I have been to many. There just isn't a way to do it and while I believe guns are highly over-rated for personal protection, for some they aren't. My grandmother had a .32 in her side stand in her bedroom. We were a well-armed bunch at one time. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Racer1_NC on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:36pm on 04/16/07 at 21:16:02, Lobster wrote:
on 04/16/07 at 21:29:01, Kirk wrote:
I was thinking more like penguins.... http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/Racer1_NC/pendayoutbyBischof.jpg |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by minnie on Apr 16th, 2007, 9:39pm on 04/16/07 at 19:17:22, deltadarlin wrote:
on 04/16/07 at 19:20:32, Jackie wrote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------- If my family is in danger I will use my gun to protect us have no doubt.I hope I never ever have to but I have it and know how to use it.You do not take away the right for me to protect my children. Well written Ladies.A huge Nay to this question. I was never raised around guns so I kinda had a fear of shooting one.Billy took me out got me used to being around them and gave me many great safety lessons.He was even brave enough to take me out hunting with him until my back got to bad.Bought me my first and only gun but I love it and won't give it up.I am very thankful to Billy for this. The Man I'm seeing now has a family history of hunting and shooting as a sport.He has his teen daughter shooting trap every weekend with him and his Dad.The girls and I have gone to a kids safety and learning program at the gun club.The girls will know how dangerous a gun can be and how to properly handle one.This is important you must have respect for the gun and safety must be always on your mind. Minnie |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by artonio7 on Apr 16th, 2007, 10:13pm http://artonio7.com/kittyguns.jpg :) with warm regards, Tony |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by burnt-toast on Apr 16th, 2007, 10:24pm on 04/16/07 at 20:03:55, Sandy_C wrote:
The new manufacture of machine guns or the conversion of semi-automatic weapons to fully- automatic weapons that are transferable to individuals has been prohibited since May 19, 1986. This means that all transferable machine guns for sale to the general public must have been manufactured and registered prior to May 19, 1986. There is a lot of confusion about the general publics’ legal right to own fully automatic weapons or weapons registered under the National Firearms Act of 1934(NFA) that are highly regulated. You do not need a Federal Firearms License to own NFA weapons but you must register with the US Treasury Dept and receive approval to acquire one. You fill out what is known as a Form-4 and have it signed by the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) of the city or county where you reside to certify that legal authorities know of no state or local laws that prohibit the ownership of the weapon and that there is no known legal reason that you cannot personally own the weapon. You also send in a fingerprint card and a Citizenship Certification form along with a check for the one-time $200 transfer fee and submit to an extensive background investigation. In Pennsylvania it is illegal to hunt with fully automatic or semi-automatic rifles, handguns or shotguns. AK-47’s are illegal to hunt with because they can't be converted to manual operation or single action rifles. Semi-automatic rifles such as the Russian made SKS can be used if converted into single action rifles. It’s not the gun or the number of rounds it can spit out - it’s the individual holding it and their intentions. In most cases those with ill intent are not in possession of legally owned firearms. What concerns me most is a government that fears the publics right to legally own firearms and insists that to reduce crime, or for their own protection the right must be sacrificed. There isn’t a single case made by the gun control crowd to prove less guns and strict controls equals a safer society. There are numerous cases throughout history to prove that when a citizenry gives up its rights to self-protection they routinely find themselves enslaved by the very people that convinced them it was for their own good. Tom |
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Title: NAYRe: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Mac_Muz on Apr 16th, 2007, 10:42pm NAY.... A few misconceptions if I may: 1 It is very legal to own and use FULL AUTO machine guns in the USA. You need a 200 dollar permit, and pay a 200 dollar tax on each and every gun and or silencer.. If you can pass the back ground check you can own and use almost any full auto gun. I worked in a gun store in NH USA and sold these very thing all legally.. 2 What the news calls Auto for the most part is semi auto, and most of the AK-47 clones are semi auto. With that said you can get a 5 rnd, 10 rnd, 20rnd, 30 rnd, 40 rnds magazine for these. You can also get a drum mag which so far as I know hold 90 and or 120 rnds.. These guns shoot a 7.62x39 cartridge, which is similar ballisticly to the old Wincherst 30-30 which is notable as a hunting gun, and not for very long range. My state has law that a hunting gun as a rifle can only hold 5 rounds, so the so called Ak-47 meets the requirements as a hunting gun, even if it is ugly. I happen to own 3 of them, but I hunt with a flintlock rifle and a flintlock smoothbore for game. I hunt 2 legged game with other things... So all most everything the so called tv experts tell you is pure unadulterated bunk... This most recent college campus shooting isn't a gun problem. This shooter is here from China on a student visa, which makes him a felon for simple possession. In this case with the time given any fool with a flintlock brown bess could have accompished this act.... Simply put any fool that knows how a brown bess works, can load 3 rounds a minute, given you have 120 minutes, and 60 people locked in a room, it seems 360 rounds would in fact be over kill. The shooter was a wacho nut case... This isn't any sort of gun problem. When you have one guy with any gun, and everyone else being helpless, it doesn't matter what kind of gun it is... |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by JeffB on Apr 16th, 2007, 10:56pm Don't own one, but I would like to think I can if I want. I used to carry the m-60 when in some bad zones when I was on the USS Curts in the Gulf, and was a fuse setter on a 5.54 anti aircraft gun on the battelship Missouri. Weapons like the military carries now do such damage and along with the right ammo, could cause major carnage like we saw today. Not sure what a guy would need with an M-60 or anything like it except for a gun club. But we are a free nation and it's in our constitutional rights to have guns. But I see nothing wrong in getting a background check done before being alowed to purchase one. Maybe a head check. ;) |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Lobster on Apr 16th, 2007, 11:29pm Greetings from a friend in my desk drawer. /my smallest bullet hose //takes 32rd sten mags... dispensing justice since ww2 http://www.geocities.com/amish_elite/2007_04160029.jpg |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Callico on Apr 17th, 2007, 12:32am Nay! A 38special in the hand saved me during a holdup attempt 32 years ago./ there have been two school shootings stopped because other students had weapons in their vehicles and were able to force the shooter to stop. One of these was in KY, I have forgotten where the other was. Both were within a year of the shooting at Columbine. I have the misfortune to live in a state where a homeowner was arrested for using a handgun within his own home to shoot and kill an armed intruder, because the village had an ordinance against handguns. He was later released after public outcry became to great, but his gun was confiscated, and he lost his firearm owners permit. Jerry |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by eddie on Apr 17th, 2007, 1:30am nay |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Chillrmn1 on Apr 17th, 2007, 5:22am NAY, NAY, NAY to gun control. Have Glock will travel. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Maffumatt on Apr 17th, 2007, 7:18am Guns don't kill people, crazy Chineese exchange students do........as the saying goes.....from my cold dead hands...... |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Jackie on Apr 17th, 2007, 7:58am on 04/16/07 at 21:39:39, minnie wrote:
That is so cool, Minnie.....good for you and the girls. I love shotgun sports. It's kinda like golf...a good family sport and one that you can do all your life. I was a competition skeet shooter for many years and loved every minute of it (especially when I took titles.... ;;D)....also worked with the 4-H kids, Boy Scouts, Ladies of the NRA and even the Purple Hat Ladies (OMG)...we did a lot of safety courses too. Have Krieghoff will travel.... :) Have fun and hugs to you and the girls.... Jackie |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Brewcrew on Apr 17th, 2007, 8:05am Our son's girlfriend told the story of having greeted her grandma during hunting season with her arms wide open (as for a hug), covered in blood up to her elbows. She had been in the process of gutting a deer. I think I like this girl. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Maffumatt on Apr 17th, 2007, 8:10am It must be the redneck in me but women with guns and driving a 4x4 flip my switch...... |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Jackie on Apr 17th, 2007, 8:18am LMAO Matt.... I drive a Jeep with a 38 special under the seat....sorry no hunting dog in the back...Oh, but there is a bass boat in my garage..... ::) I must be a Redneck... ;;D Kinda reminds me a an old joke.....want ad [smiley=laugh.gif] Jacks 8) |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by kcopelin on Apr 17th, 2007, 8:54am We have a right to bear arms, foundational to a free society. However, our society is pretty darned sick-and I do believe that the more violent images folks view the more desensitized they become to violence. I was an expert marksman in the Air Force, but haven't picked up a weapon since. My life certainly would have been different if I'd had a gun: 1. while being beat up by an abusive crazy man-he'd be dead and I'd be in jail. 2. while being robbed, sprayed with pepper spray at close range in the face. Bad guy would be dead, but I would be charged with homicide and may-or may not- have won. Might be in jail. So, safety, respect for what the weapon can do, and self-control are the responsibilities that go along with the right to own firearms. Personally, I'm glad I'm not in jail. my dos centavos. kathy |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by thomas on Apr 17th, 2007, 9:04am on 04/16/07 at 20:22:58, Lobster wrote:
That is indeed the reason we are allowed the right to keep and bear arms. And we've passed the aforementioned point in our government quite a while ago. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Redd on Apr 17th, 2007, 9:11am Personal opinion only here... I feel seeing violence, be it at a slaughterhouse, television, movies or video games is not the heart of the issue. The grousome methods used on the farms of old to slaughter the animals for meat were no less violent. What is at the heart of this trend today, in my opinion is the fast pace of society, leaving no time to process the information we are seeing. Not in the seeing it. The world doesn't slow down when this stuff happens the way it used to. We can't take a week away from the office when a tragedy strikes, we get one maybe 2 days off work when a loved ones dies. A shooting of this magnatude happens and the world continues to demand our full attention, and you better not let your frame of mind interfer with your productivity. Society doesn't LET us process, therefore by default, we become descensitized. We are foced into the mind set of..."It's them, it doesn't effect you, so go on about your own business." It's a shame, but this is what I've observed. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Melissa on Apr 17th, 2007, 9:20am My husband and 12 yr old daughter hunt. I like target shooting. We do not own handguns, but we do own rifles and shotguns. My 3 yr old son has, with the help of his dad, shot at a clay pigeon before. He has a toy rifle and a toy shotgun and if you look closely, you'll see where he wanted them put... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/mfiltz/DSC03636.jpg Nay on restriction, Yes to backround checks. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Charlie on Apr 17th, 2007, 9:23am The tragedy is hard to comprehend. I can't say that I'm looking forward to reading the paper..... :'( As a aside, I just hope we use some common sense rather that using our usual ham-fisted response by further creating a security state. It's no good going to war if you can't identify the target. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by deltadarlin on Apr 17th, 2007, 9:23am I travel a lot. I carry a 38 Smith and Wesson snub nose with custom grips (have fairly big hands/long fingers for a woman and need them). Pistol rests between my console and my seat, butt up. I won't travel with a gun under the seat or in the glove compartment. I want it in my hand as soon as something occurs. Fuck with me or mine and I will shoot you. 'darlin For what it's worth, I was raised around guns, some of my earliest memories are of me and daddy out shooting at whatever. I was little enough, that I had to have him help me hold the gun. Loaded guns were in daddy's bedroom, in his desk and in the closet-oooohhhhh, not locked up and the bullets weren't kept separately! You couldn't have made any offer to me that would have tempted me to touch a gun without his permission. Daughter was raised around guns, same way. The only time I locked any of our weapons up was when we had other kids over. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Mosaicwench on Apr 17th, 2007, 10:03am on 04/17/07 at 08:54:58, kcopelin wrote:
I don't think either of those situations would have landed you in jail - self defense in the truest sense rarely does. People keep mentioning "society" as the problem. Dear God if WE aren't society then who is? |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Tim_w on Apr 17th, 2007, 10:04am NAY !!!!!!!! >:( |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Rosybabe on Apr 17th, 2007, 10:31am a nice policeman told us once that if we find someone breaking into our garage and he runs away and my husband or me shoots him when he is already on the street , we can be liable for his death, so, if you have to shoot someone, be sure to drag him into your garage, as long as he is inside your property, it is self defense... |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Maffumatt on Apr 17th, 2007, 10:38am My senior year in High school I worked for my dad at night, one night I had a guy come in and try to rob me with a knife, I pulled a pistol out from under the counter, he ran. I didn't shoot him. The police, Chief McWaters, and Gorden Ezell....Barbara D might know them, told me that I should have shot him, and if I did shoot him to make sure I finished the job. Texas is one of the few states you can use lethal force to protect your property, not just for self defense in imminent danger. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by midwestbeth on Apr 17th, 2007, 10:56am Quote:
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Mac_Muz on Apr 17th, 2007, 2:57pm When exactly did we pass this point in time? Bill Clinton made referance to serving a 3rd term by his own demand.. I think GWB is thinking of the same thing! I never saw any point in history where Revolution was past any point in any time and or in any country... One day this country will fall, there is no doubt that this will happen as in history it always happens. I just don;t know when, but it might be sooner than we think. Both sides are pretty well fed up with the ineffiectcy of this system. on 04/17/07 at 09:04:24, thomas wrote:
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by M.R. on Apr 17th, 2007, 6:23pm NAY! Always had 'em. Hope I always will. Mike |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Redd on Apr 17th, 2007, 7:01pm on 04/17/07 at 10:03:12, Mosaicwench wrote:
Maybe I'm off base here, but might we be confusing the terms "community" and "society"? I'm not wanting to start a fight, just want to possibly clarify. A community is the WE the People. A society is the sets and subsets of beliefs and values the community members (we the people) adhear to, in being productive members of the society. On an individual level, as community members, we surfacely can feel disgust over such actions. However, the norms and expectations of the society are in direct opposition to the community members being able to process our environment fully. All the good and bad that is within it. We MUST go to the office, the plant, the shop. We MUST set aside our thoughts and feeling and ability to process and be productive. We MUST swallow our grief and disgust. Then the next tragedy occures and once again the viscious cycle of input/swallow/continue on happens. There are at least 300 kids who in our High School who are struggling to understand the death of a classmate. They were given 1 only 1 visit to the guidance counselor after he dropped dead there on the track. For may teenagers this is their first taste of the circle of life and death, and when a young, otherwise healthy classmate and team member collapses and dies they have more questions of their own mortality than one 15 minute talk with a guidance counselor can offer answers to. Parents too...we talk about things with our children, if we have time, but our bosses demand of us, life demands of us, other children in the family have things they need to do. Then the single parent. A growing segment of any community in it's own right. Don't let me go off on that one... All I'm trying to say is that the expectations of a community by measure of the societal norms are out of whack. What can be done? I haven't had the time to think that far...I'm expected to work 5 days a week, and take the kids to meetings and school functions and social functions and get them involved in activities that will help them get into college, and keep it all seperate and never the twain shall meet or interfer with each other. I guess all I'm trying to say is that regardless how the individual thinks or feels, the norms and expectations placed upon community members by the social construct, doesn't help matters, but hinders and even exasterbates the problem. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by PL259 on Apr 17th, 2007, 7:52pm Nope, hell no. Got guns, raised with guns, taught at a young age how to use them properly, what they were for, how to care for them, and WHEN to use them! First thing I was taught was that a gun/weapon is a tool, use it well, care for it well and it will take care of you. The main part of that lesson that was placed in my little mind was that you never never ever point a gun at another person. UNLESS you are defending your life or your family or property. I have since changed that a bit, I don't think I would shoot over property, take the crap and run, I can replace it. But if it is me or someones elses life you be Fu---ed, I will only point a weapon at another person for one reason and one only. Do I really need a gun? Got a bow. Got dozens of sticks here, and believe me I really know how to use a 5 foot stick. Got a machete, hell I can go buy fertilizer that I put on my pasture and diesel fuel. I got enuff pipe and such to make a one shot weapon. Crazies will find a way. You can't always pick them out. You will never stop them. We do the best we can, many are stopped and will never try again. That's life. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Jonny on Apr 17th, 2007, 8:28pm on 04/17/07 at 19:52:16, PL259 wrote:
True, and the way I look at is that these crazies have a fucked up wired brain. just like us with CH, we have no idea at what age our pain will kick in, they have no idea when they will start killing. Its a far fetched opinion, but so is why we get CH at different ages. It aint guns, videos games or anything but a fucked up brain waiting to go off! |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by JeffB on Apr 17th, 2007, 8:45pm on 04/17/07 at 09:20:07, Melissa wrote:
:o, Looks like I won't be hittin on Melly anytime soon! ;) Nice rack! |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Charlie on Apr 18th, 2007, 1:32am I think that television has a lot to do with it. When I was a kid dad and mom were still in charge on sitcoms and the like. My pet peeve is showing kids smarter than parents as they do now. It's done all the time. Six Feet Under and Ally McBeal were the worst examples. Anyway, kids don't feel that they can do anything wrong as a result. Ward Cleaver and Robert Young wouldn't put up with crap from the kids. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by BarbaraD on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:16am I agree with Charlie about TV. Kids watch entirely too much TV these days. Mom and Dad both work and kids don't get the TIME they need so they watch TV unrestricted. With 500 channels to chose from who knows what they see. They should be outside playing or doing something besides being couch potatoes. Back in Charlies (and my) day we didn't have all that much TV - and when we did it was "entertainment" (and we KNEW it was entertainment - not real life). The only violence was Sat morning cartoons and we knew that was not REAL. - we were SMART kids. We've just programed our kids wrong and need to reprogram them. Schools are NOT babysitters and Teachers are NOT parents. It has to begin at HOME. We have a bunch of guns (all makes and models) around our house and EVERYONE in the house KNOWS what they are for and KNOWS that they're to be RESPECTED from Granny to Caleb. We shoot coyotes, snakes, deer and an occasional varmit, but we don't PLAY with REAL guns. While these school shooting are tradgic, they are isolated cases and as someone brought out fertilizer can be bought in any feed store (Oklahome City was done with fertilizer) so we can't stop crime if the criminal wants to do the crime. Criminals are going to get the means to commit the crimes no matter how many restrictions we place on the "law-abiding" public. All we as a society can do is raise our kids to respect the laws and be the best they can be and hope for the best. But that takes "parental" control from birth. Hugs BD |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by George_J on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:36am on 04/17/07 at 20:28:36, Jonny wrote:
You got it. I understand that around fifty percent of the people who commit mass killings or spree killings have serious mental illness. I don't mean had-a-bad-childhood mental illness--I mean delusional, psychotic, having hallucinations. I'm not convinced that there's much we can do about that as a society, except learn to recognize the signs and keep an eye on someone who's acting this way. After something like this happens, I understand the impulse that people have to "do something". But if that impulse is misdirected, it isn't going to do any good. Sometimes there just isn't anything to be "done". Best, George |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by artonio7 on Apr 18th, 2007, 10:37am on 04/18/07 at 01:32:42, Charlie wrote:
I remember the episode when June dared to question Ward ... she limped into the room with a platter of bacon as Ward was siting at the breakfast table and asked "Weren't you a little rough on the Beaver last night Ward?" :) with warm regards, Tony |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Kevin_M on Apr 18th, 2007, 10:49am Not bad Jonny. :) This from Melly's post on the other thread. Quote:
It is surprising how he got to be a senior there with the obvious strange behavior now being mentioned. And from George's post above: Quote:
I haven't read much about it all but I wonder if anything was ever mentioned about him beforehand because now people who were formerly in contact with him are saying, I thought it was him when I first heard it happening. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by seasonalboomer on Apr 18th, 2007, 11:27am We have a society that has somehow come around to the point where we revere and coddle strange behavior. We celebrate violent behavior. We reward behavior that at one time would have been considered that of criminals Instead kids who want to be a productive part of their community by leading or being involved, or getting good grades, or involved in their churches, are demeaned. Then when the realization hits that those kids who play by the rules, do well in school, attract a productive and attractive mate, get good jobs, become leaders in our communities, the reaction is to be bitter?....... WTF Scott |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Shedz on Apr 18th, 2007, 11:35am Guns don't kill people, people do,and i don't think that banning guns will make any difference. Here in the UK we are very strict on gun control but the criminals can still get hold of them and people still get shot, and if they can't get a gun they use knives instead!!!!!! [smiley=twocents.gif] |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Kevin_M on Apr 18th, 2007, 11:39am I missed your train of thought Scott, what circumstance is your post commenting on? Quote:
I get it now, Scott. on 04/18/07 at 20:53:21, JeffB wrote:
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by fubar on Apr 18th, 2007, 1:23pm Pardon me, but we already have gun control. In order to purchase my firearms, I had to: 1) pass a basic firearms safety test 2) fill out forms and pay fees 3) wait while they 'checked me out' I am required by law to keep my firearms in an approved, secure location. I cannot brandish my weapon in public I cannot discharge my weapon within city limits unless I am at an approved gun firing range I am not permitted to buy a clip than can hold more than 9 rounds (or something stupid like that) I cannot modify my firearm to silence it or fire automatically I could go on and on... How much more control do we need? Guns aren't the problem. Laws aren't important to criminals. Nay. |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Jonny on Apr 18th, 2007, 3:17pm Gun control is a steady hand ;;D |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Guiseppi on Apr 18th, 2007, 3:22pm From law enforcements point of view, our neighbor to the south, Mexico, has perhaps the toughest gun restrictions in the world........seems to be working really well there! ;;D Guiseppi |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Cathi04 on Apr 18th, 2007, 3:41pm Do you think that making guns illegal, that the problem would be solved?? Have you ever considered the fact that a criminal is..a criminal. By banning guns, or controlling guns, you are allowing those who WANT them...to go further underground. do MORE illegal things in order to acquire them...... Education? Gun Control? I'm not sure what the answer is, but bad/insane is just that. Guns do NOT kill people-till a human picks one up and points it at someone then pulls the trigger........ Anywhooo..... Cathi |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by artonio7 on Apr 18th, 2007, 4:45pm Paint balls instead of bullets! ::) :o ::) :o ::) :o ::) ;;D ... just a thought. with warm regards, Tony |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Kingjames1 on Apr 18th, 2007, 5:00pm I don't want my balls painted, thank you. You are taking your art too far. :) |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Jackie on Apr 18th, 2007, 5:03pm on 04/18/07 at 17:00:51, Kingjames1 wrote:
So are you saying you want them shot.... ;;D |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by Kevin_M on Apr 18th, 2007, 5:46pm Jaaackieee, LOL |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by ClusterChuck on Apr 18th, 2007, 6:01pm on 04/18/07 at 16:45:18, artonio7 wrote:
It figgures!!! Tony drags another thread into the gutter ... Tsk tsk tsk .... Chuck |
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Title: Re: Gun restriction in the usa Post by TxBasslady on Apr 18th, 2007, 6:37pm http://www.eaglemountainflag.com/images/come-and-take-it.jpg Ok, yea I know this is a cannon...signifies a part of Texas history all the way back to 1835. The message and concept are the same.... Jean |
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