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(Message started by: Jonny on Mar 27th, 2007, 6:00pm)
Title: What say you?
Post by Jonny on Mar 27th, 2007, 6:00pm
I know nothing about the bible, can someone that does tell me if this video is even close to correct?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79c_1175019299
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Guiseppi on Mar 27th, 2007, 6:07pm
And the eternal battle between the literalists and the generalists rages on!!!!!  It all comes down to two great theological debates:

1: Why do we drive on a parkway, and park in a driveway?

2: Why did kamikazee pilots wear helmets?

Answer these, grasshopper, and you will become the master.

Guiseppi

(see what 8 years of catholic school did for me? ;;D)
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Jonny on Mar 27th, 2007, 6:21pm
LMAO, bro!!!! ;;D
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by vig on Mar 27th, 2007, 6:48pm
8 years of Catholic school taught me not to interpret the bible literally.  You're supposed to learn the lessons of human decency from it.   Love thy neighbor as thyself.  It seems the 'kooky stuff'  (that's MY opinion) came later from other people.  
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Redd on Mar 27th, 2007, 6:57pm
After a number of years of indepth study on the subject I think my avitar says it all..... :-X
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by FramCire on Mar 27th, 2007, 8:01pm

on 03/27/07 at 18:00:43, Jonny wrote:
I know nothing about the bible, can someone that does tell me if this video is even close to correct?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79c_1175019299



Dude, this video is a complete fabrication of the Bible.  Let me just add a few notes to show what I mean:

1.  Being Born again of the water is exactly what is implies.  It reffers to being baptized and coming out of the water and a sign of the "re-birth".  It is an outward show of an inward change.  It is not a physical re-birth but a rebirth of your soul.

2.  Eating the flesh and drinking the blood refers to the symbol of jesus body broken and blood spilled as a redemption for our sins.  It is not literal and that part even the video maker knows.

3.  Some of his "steps" to get into heaven have nothing to do with how to get into heaven.   Selling everything was for the rich man who coveted his riches more than God, so Jesus told him to sell everything to prove he wanted to follow God not money  (note: he didnt sell anything).  Later , he told his disciples to sell everything and folllow him, it is NOT a requirement for heaven in the Bible but for his disciples.

4.  Doing "mitzvot" does not make you righteous.  This is Jesus point about being more righteous than the Pharases.  Therefor, doing all the good deeds in the world doesn't make you righteous.  Asking for forgiveness and following God does.

5.  Finally,mot of the quotes have anything to do with going to heaven.  They are parables, stories, or commands to different people asking different questions.  In them. Jesus shows them what THEY need to do (most of which are things they wont do) to follow him.

I could go on and on.  That video is completely full of it, period.  I don't mind discussing, debating, or even keeping my religious beliefs to myself, but I can't stand people who take scripture out of context and use it to flat out lie, which is what this guy did.  

Ok, back to your regular program.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Mar 27th, 2007, 8:14pm

on 03/27/07 at 20:01:10, FramCire wrote:
Dude, this video is a complete fabrication of the Bible.  Let me just add a few notes to show what I mean:

1.  Being Born again of the water is exactly what is implies.  It reffers to being baptized and coming out of the water and a sign of the "re-birth".  It is an outward show of an inward change.  It is not a physical re-birth but a rebirth of your soul.

2.  Eating the flesh and drinking the blood refers to the symbol of jesus body broken and blood spilled as a redemption for our sins.  It is not literal and that part even the video maker knows.

3.  Some of his "steps" to get into heaven have nothing to do with how to get into heaven.   Selling everything was for the rich man who coveted his riches more than God, so Jesus told him to sell everything to prove he wanted to follow God not money  (note: he didnt sell anything).  Later , he told his disciples to sell everything and folllow him, it is NOT a requirement for heaven in the Bible but for his disciples.

4.  Doing "mitzvot" does not make you righteous.  This is Jesus point about being more righteous than the Pharases.  Therefor, doing all the good deeds in the world doesn't make you righteous.  Asking for forgiveness and following God does.

5.  Finally,mot of the quotes have anything to do with going to heaven.  They are parables, stories, or commands to different people asking different questions.  In them. Jesus shows them what THEY need to do (most of which are things they wont do) to follow him.

I could go on and on.  That video is completely full of it, period.  I don't mind discussing, debating, or even keeping my religious beliefs to myself, but I can't stand people who take scripture out of context and use it to flat out lie, which is what this guy did.  

Ok, back to your regular program.



Dude,
Not trying to break your balls, but you are saying your interpretation of the bible, or at least of the parts being discussed by the dude in the video, is much more correct.  

I dont know enough about the bible to have an interpretation, but its weird you are saying this other interpretation is "full of it".

I guess that is why i am not religious.....no body can tell me which religion is the correct one.

:-/
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by chewy on Mar 27th, 2007, 9:55pm
My philosophy is no religion is the best religion.

Do the best with what you got, try not to hurt anyone, try not to hurt yourself,  and you should be just fine come judgement day.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by JeffB on Mar 27th, 2007, 10:04pm
I'm waiting for the mother ship to land and then I think that will clear up a lot of questions. I'm sure we'll find out the answer for "How to serve man".
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by FramCire on Mar 27th, 2007, 11:04pm

on 03/27/07 at 20:14:10, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Dude,
Not trying to break your balls, but you are saying your interpretation of the bible, or at least of the parts being discussed by the dude in the video, is much more correct.  

I dont know enough about the bible to have an interpretation, but its weird you are saying this other interpretation is "full of it".

I guess that is why i am not religious.....no body can tell me which religion is the correct one.

:-/





I am saying that he is flat out lying, not misinterpreting.  He presents parables like they are presented sas factual.  He presents things that are explained in greater detail like they aren't explained.

When a person says that Jesus says a person needs 8 steps to go to heaven when twice he quoted passages which said there was only 1 step, that is lying and misrepresenting.

It is easy to misrepresent when you take parts out of context.

It's like saying Roosevelt was a crazy violent man when he said to "carry a big stick".   Changes the whole meaning when you take it out of context, doesn't it.

Anyway, I am not here for a debate, just answering Jonny's question.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Charlie on Mar 27th, 2007, 11:44pm
Belief is rarely a problem, religion again...well you see it every day. The book is a part of the latter.

Charlie
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by ivanov on Mar 28th, 2007, 1:05am
Although I must admit the man is taking Bible quotes out of context-
Most Christian do the same thing to fit their particular beliefs.
The Bible is the most misquoted and illogical book ever written.
In my misguided youth I did acquire a degree in religious studies -
so I know a little of what I speak. So much so that I am now a
agnostic or at best a Humanist.

Here are some videos that although they might be termed irreligious
they also ask a hell of a lot of good questions-

Dan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzf8q9QHfhI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzuxyq3ltls&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaZDcS-rMf4&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTo2XpLa5s&mode=related&search=
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by catlind on Mar 28th, 2007, 1:49am
FOR ME:

Life is the highest value, the rest is quantum soup.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by chewy on Mar 28th, 2007, 4:24am

Quote:
"How to serve man"


Twilight Zone.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Mar 28th, 2007, 5:27am
This is the most important time of the Christian year. Born and raised a Catholic it took me 40 years before I got the true meaning of everything written in Scared Scripture.( And I'm still learning today). This was a time in Christ's life when they looked for every reason to put him to death. No matter what beliefs or unbeliefs you have---here was a man who performed extreme miracles, helped the sick , the dying , the isolated , the lonely , the persecuted , and I could go on and on...........If someone made a mistake ---even if several times----he forgave them. When they succeeded in killing him , his last breath was forgiveness..............After 2,000 plus years----there are still people out there who are trying to discredit him.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by LeLimey on Mar 28th, 2007, 6:29am

on 03/27/07 at 21:55:41, chewy wrote:
My philosophy is no religion is the best religion.

Do the best with what you got, try not to hurt anyone, try not to hurt yourself,  and you should be just fine come judgement day.



Words to live by
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 28th, 2007, 7:45am
Some of the deepest, most profound biblical philosophy out there:

http://www.royzimmerman.com/index.php

Just a little way down in the video section, click on Creation Science 101.

After that, click on some more of these links. Unbelievably hilarious.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by burnt-toast on Mar 28th, 2007, 9:56am
Religious texts are as numerous/diverse as the cultures from which they originated.  Interpreted and reinterpreted throughout history they have been repeatedly altered to translate forgotten languages and accommodate specific beliefs, declining/emerging cultures, specific events and/or increasingly centralized populations.    

Claiming any modern texts, including the Bible, result from direct communications with God or even contain the original message is historically absurd.                  

Throughout history every religion revised these texts to expand their wealth, power and control by harnessing humanity’s tribal/primal instincts towards greed, hatred, mistrust and violence.  What may possibly be God’s greatest gifts/only true words for humanity, compassion, love, understanding, acceptance and respect are suppressed in all religious texts by claiming these only apply to the faithful.    
 
If we believe the written texts of each religion - the vast majority of humanity is doomed for all eternity.  True believers have fallen victim to a false religion or God based on where they were born or what segment of culture they were born into.

Religious devotion and strict conformance to any religious text are not subsitutes for compassion, love, understanding, acceptance and respect.

Tom  
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by thomas on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:04am
My relationship with God is between God and I.  That's how it should be for all of us, we are the masters of our own fate.  I don't need some one to tell me what is right and what is wrong.  I know in my heart what is right and what is wrong.  I can take care of it myself.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:19am

on 03/28/07 at 10:04:17, thomas wrote:
My relationship with God is between God and I.  That's how it should be for all of us, we are the masters of our own fate.  I don't need some one to tell me what is right and what is wrong.  I know in my heart what is right and what is wrong.  I can take care of it myself.

However, many would argue that you are not born with an innate sense of right and wrong, and thus each individual needs to be taught the difference. Hence the existence of religion and religious education.

Where we go wrong as a species is dividing up into differing sects, each claiming to posess the batphone to God's right ear. Most of the biggest wars throughout history have been fought over this.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by JeffB on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:22am

on 03/28/07 at 10:04:17, thomas wrote:
My relationship with God is between God and I.  That's how it should be for all of us, we are the masters of our own fate.  I don't need some one to tell me what is right and what is wrong.  I know in my heart what is right and what is wrong.  I can take care of it myself.


Well said, my friend!
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by JeffB on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:40am

on 03/28/07 at 10:19:10, Brewcrew wrote:
However, many would argue that you are not born with an innate sense of right and wrong, and thus each individual needs to be taught the difference. Hence the existence of religion and religious education.

Where we go wrong as a species is dividing up into differing sects, each claiming to posess the batphone to God's right ear. Most of the biggest wars throughout history have been fought over this.


As long as religion is decisive as it is, this will not change. This is a tough issue these days. Is Oral Roberts and Pat Robertson any better than Pres Imadangjihad??
Like I said about other beings, when one of those fuggers land, religon will be thrown out the window.
Hope I did not offend!  
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by thomas on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:42am

on 03/28/07 at 10:19:10, Brewcrew wrote:
However, many would argue that you are not born with an innate sense of right and wrong, and thus each individual needs to be taught the difference. Hence the existence of religion and religious education.

Where we go wrong as a species is dividing up into differing sects, each claiming to posess the batphone to God's right ear. Most of the biggest wars throughout history have been fought over this.


It depends on which philosophy they follow, if it is Christianity, in the Bible ; Adam and Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thus passing down to all mankind the innate ability to know right from wrong.   ;)  As for the rest, I am not well versed enough to offer examples but I do know enough of the other philosopies that I am pretty comfortable without a "mentor".
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 28th, 2007, 11:06am

on 03/28/07 at 10:42:49, thomas wrote:
...but I do know enough of the other philosopies that I am pretty comfortable without a "mentor".

The question is, would you have been comfortable without a mentor at age 3 when you took the neighbor girl's favorite toy, or at age 6 when you stood there with a rock in your hand and a nice shiny window begging you to throw it, or at age 12 when you were ready to press the old lady's doorbell and "ding-dong-ditch" her, or at age...

You get my drift. All I'm saying is that we are pretty capable as adults to make these judgements, but most people don't make it to adulthood without some guidance, a mentor or two, and a few "school of hard knocks" experiences to help shape them.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by catlind on Mar 28th, 2007, 2:28pm

on 03/28/07 at 11:06:46, Brewcrew wrote:
The question is, would you have been comfortable without a mentor at age 3 when you took the neighbor girl's favorite toy, or at age 6 when you stood there with a rock in your hand and a nice shiny window begging you to throw it, or at age 12 when you were ready to press the old lady's doorbell and "ding-dong-ditch" her, or at age...

You get my drift. All I'm saying is that we are pretty capable as adults to make these judgements, but most people don't make it to adulthood without some guidance, a mentor or two, and a few "school of hard knocks" experiences to help shape them.


At age 6 when I took my skipping rope and whooped my friend Kim Morphew with it, my mother marched her back to my house handed her my skipping rope and I stood and got whooped back.  My mother is at best agnostic and my father was the black sheep athiest of an Anglican Arch Deacon family.

No omnipotent force taught me right and wrong that day.
My Mother did.  And it was my Mothers arms that comforted me for every time I came crying into them and still do to this day.

That doesn't give any answers to any biblical texts or arguments, it only answers how I learned right and wrong and how I find comfort.

The rest is still quantum soup.

And the answer is 87 not 42 and don't ask unless you are prepared to do about 25 years worth of reading.

Cat
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by thomas on Mar 28th, 2007, 2:32pm

on 03/28/07 at 11:06:46, Brewcrew wrote:
The question is, would you have been comfortable without a mentor at age 3 when you took the neighbor girl's favorite toy, or at age 6 when you stood there with a rock in your hand and a nice shiny window begging you to throw it, or at age 12 when you were ready to press the old lady's doorbell and "ding-dong-ditch" her, or at age...

You get my drift. All I'm saying is that we are pretty capable as adults to make these judgements, but most people don't make it to adulthood without some guidance, a mentor or two, and a few "school of hard knocks" experiences to help shape them.


That's all well and good, but I'm not 6 or 12 any more.  Back then, yeah I needed some guidance.  But I don't think a kid has the faculties available to them in order to determine what "religion" best suits them.  Only after one knows himself and can look deep into their own soul and know who the person in the mirror is, can they begin to even comtemplate a relationship with their creator.  Just my opinion, ya'll do what you want.


edit to correct typo.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 28th, 2007, 2:43pm

on 03/28/07 at 14:28:26, catlind wrote:
At age 6 when I took my skipping rope and whooped my friend Kim Morphew with it, my mother marched her back to my house handed her my skipping rope and I stood and got whooped back.  My mother is at best agnostic and my father was the black sheep athiest of an Anglican Arch Deacon family.

No omnipotent force taught me right and wrong that day. My Mother did.


When you're six years old, your mother IS an omnipotent force. Seriously, a six-year-old does not comprehend their parents as fallable, finite human beings.


Quote:
And it was my Mothers arms that comforted me for every time I came crying into them and still do to this day.


Which is another quality many ascribe to their God. The ability at once to be both disciplinarian and compassionate comforter.


Quote:
That doesn't give any answers to any biblical texts or arguments, it only answers how I learned right and wrong and how I find comfort.


And now's the point where I would ask, "Where did they learn it from?"


Quote:
The rest is still quantum soup.

And the answer is 87 not 42 and don't ask unless you are prepared to do about 25 years worth of reading.


You may be misinterpreting my intent, Cat. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything (i.e., selling religion). I'm merely trying to get others to understand where the perceived need for religious education comes from. Personally, I think it comes from the weaker amongst us who have an idea about the difference between right and wrong but may be either too weak in their beliefs to act as the moral authority (and thus abdicate the role to the church), or those who live in fear of eternal retribution (an emotion which I also ascribe to religious education, ironically).
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by catlind on Mar 28th, 2007, 3:05pm
I am not trying to misinterpret you at all, sorry if I came across that I was trying to take your quote out of text that way.

My reference at the end is a rather odd inside joke that involves current science and the expansion speed of the universe with the dark matter at super massive black hole 87 and Douglas Adams the Hitchikers guide to the galaxy with 42.  The 25 years of reading comes from anything and everything and if I actually tried to explain any of this with any validity (as Racer will attest :P ) you would lock me up and throw away the key :)

Religion for me is a personal matter, for me what you call it is nothing more than a label, why is blue called blue, who named it that colo(u)r and why was that person powerful enough to make that name stick and be in our language still today....

It's the same rat race, there is no finite answer to an infinite question.

It's quantum soup, you put your faith where it helps to heal you in whatever way you need to, the rest is just how you label it, right and wrong aren't religious morals in my opinion, they life morals, and the religions from time immemorium have used them to gain power and fortune the same way this race has done since we learned to make tools and supposedly 'think'.

What is concsiousness anyway?  Ask anyone that question you will get just as many answers as you will get to the interpretation of a biblical text.

It's simply quantum soup in my world :)

Cat
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 28th, 2007, 3:06pm
There was a point where I thought I had it all figured out. I was, after all, self-reliant, self-supporting, self-nurturing, morally upright (mostly), wise and seemingly had the bull by the proverbial balls.

I now have faith in God and have returned to the Catholic Church. No crisis. Just realized faith is a choice that each of us actually actively makes. No magical God moment, just a choice. Life is better for me with faith.

Laying burdens down lightens the load....

Scott
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by ClusterChuck on Mar 28th, 2007, 3:18pm
From a protestant, who was married to a Jewish lady:  We both felt it VERY important to bring a child up in a religion, regardless which one.  We did.  BUT we did not force them to JOIN or become a "whatever" .. We left that to them to decide as an adult.

The results?
One Wiccan
One Protestant
One undecided
One Buddist

Funny thing is, they were all brought up Jewish ...  BUT at least they were brought up in A religion.

Myself?  I have a stong belief in an "eternal being" but don't feel I need to go to any particular service, or building to speak to the "One in Charge" ...

All I know for sure, is that "someone" is up there watching out for us, especially kids, cuz, as most of you can agree to, there is NO WAY most of us should have survived some of the stupid stunts we did as kids.  ... Well, the rest of you, anyhow ... I was a perfect child ... (As I am a perfect old fart, too {I refuse to call myself an ADULT})

Chuck
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by JeffB on Mar 28th, 2007, 3:19pm
Whats a wiccan, CHuck??
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Cathi04 on Mar 28th, 2007, 3:24pm
There are people who find comfort/strength/solace/guidance in their church of choice. I support that-as long as they don't get me out of bed on Sat Morning to hear why I should convert to their interpretation of the word of God.
I believe there is a supreme being....I'm comforted knowing someone out there is watching over me, but that's where MY religion stops, I think. EVERY religion out there is SOME mortal's interpretation of the word of God. I'll take God's words and sort them out for myself.
As for what I believe wholeheartedly in?? The Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have done to you. My greatest consideration is always 'how would I feel if I were treated this way?" I think more people should consider this.........but.....

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION!

I also believe each and every one of us is fortunate to be ALLOWED an opinion....and I thank God for that!

The preceding is just IMHO,

Cathi
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by ClusterChuck on Mar 28th, 2007, 3:26pm

on 03/28/07 at 15:19:40, JeffB wrote:
Whats a wiccan, CHuck??

A follower of wicca, a benign, nature-based religion, which includes beliefs, deities, symbols and seasonal days of celebration of the ancient Celts. Gerald Gardiner, an English civil servant, is credited with popularizing Wicca there, in the late 1940s. Wiccans are prohibited from using magic to harm others. Their belief system does not include an all-evil entity. They do not believe in the Christian devil or in demons. They often refer to themselves as Witches, Pagans and Neopagans. ...

Chuck
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Linda_Howell on Mar 28th, 2007, 3:32pm



   http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 28th, 2007, 3:36pm

on 03/28/07 at 15:24:34, Cathi04 wrote:
I support that-as long as they don't get me out of bed on Sat Morning to hear why I should convert to their interpretation of the word of God.

There's a solution to that, Cathi. A sign on your front door:

No Soliciting
No Witnessing
No Canvassing
No Kidding
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Kingjames1 on Mar 28th, 2007, 5:42pm
Would you really put a sign like that on your front door, Brew? Really? A sign that all of your visitors would see when coming to visit your home? [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by ClusterChuck on Mar 28th, 2007, 5:54pm

on 03/28/07 at 17:42:37, Kingjames1 wrote:
Would you really put a sign like that on your front door, Brew? Really? A sign that all of your visitors would see when coming to visit your home? [smiley=huh.gif]

LOL, HELL yes he would (and so would I)!!!  And LAUGH about it when his guests looked at it strangely (and so would I)  ... After all, he IS a strange, sick MOFO (but I am not)!!!!  LOL

Chuck
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by nani on Mar 28th, 2007, 7:24pm

on 03/28/07 at 17:42:37, Kingjames1 wrote:
Would you really put a sign like that on your front door, Brew? Really? A sign that all of your visitors would see when coming to visit your home? [smiley=huh.gif]


I have a similar sign. It says:

Please, no soliciting or door-to-door religion. Thank you and have a nice day.

Whats' wrong with that? Even the few Jehovahs Witnesses that have missed it before hitting the doorbell aren't offended by it. They apologize, I say no problem... everybody's happy.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Kingjames1 on Mar 28th, 2007, 7:47pm
It's understood that nobody wants sales people knocking on their door. Be it religion or wares.

What are you going to do if they ignore the sign...shoot 'em in the ass with rock salt! Shake your fist and say "Didn't you see my sign, not a very nice person!"

Nah, probably just tell them you're not interested, politely, shut the door and move on. Same thing you would do without the sign.

Title: Re: What say you?
Post by catlind on Mar 28th, 2007, 7:54pm
I haven't had a religious canvasser at my door since I gave 2 of them the mumps last year in the outbreak here in the midwest - I was trying not to open the door to keep a barrier when the dog pushed through and I sneezed.

I apologized of course, but I haven't had a single bell ring since.  I suspect they'd have preferred a sign ;)

Cat
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Redd on Mar 28th, 2007, 7:56pm

on 03/28/07 at 19:47:33, Kingjames1 wrote:
Same thing you would do without the sign.



But a whole lot less often...
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 28th, 2007, 8:04pm

on 03/28/07 at 17:42:37, Kingjames1 wrote:
Would you really put a sign like that on your front door, Brew? Really? A sign that all of your visitors would see when coming to visit your home? [smiley=huh.gif]

Yes. It's been there since I've been a homeowner: 1990. Are you implying that I should somehow be ashamed of putting that on my door? All the visitors who come to our home will know that we won't be disturbed while they're here.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 28th, 2007, 8:06pm

on 03/28/07 at 17:54:32, ClusterChuck wrote:
After all, he IS a strange, sick MOFO (but I am not)!!!!  LOL

Color me guilty! ;;D
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Paul98 on Mar 28th, 2007, 8:06pm

on 03/28/07 at 15:19:40, JeffB wrote:
Whats a wiccan, CHuck??


It rides a broom and cackles alot.  Her name is LeLimey ;;D

-P.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 28th, 2007, 8:07pm

on 03/28/07 at 19:56:13, Redd wrote:
But a whole lot less often...

Bingo!
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Kingjames1 on Mar 28th, 2007, 8:36pm
I don't have Barney Fife selling vacuum cleaners door to door, Mike Jackson is not sending troops into my neighborhood.

I guess I don't need a sign.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 28th, 2007, 8:39pm
Here's a pic of our front door:
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t13/brewcrew2b/doorsign.jpg
I am very protective of my family and our privacy.
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:00pm

on 03/28/07 at 19:47:33, Kingjames1 wrote:
Nah, probably just tell them you're not interested, politely, shut the door and move on. Same thing you would do without the sign.


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The wife and I are known in Pat Robertson's 700 Club database as "Susan and Heywood Jablome"

Is that polite enough?
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by BarbaraD on Mar 29th, 2007, 9:07am
My opinion: The Bible is a great book. I've read it front to back. BUT, I do NOT quote chapter and verse as some do. It's a book to be read - has some great stories in it, but it was TRANSLATED 100s - 1000s of years AFTER it was originally written and is probably not in it's original form today, so....

Over the years I've seen people PROVE almost anything THEY wanted to prove by quoting from the Bible and I think this is hogwash. I even heard a preacher quote from the Bible one night that he (the church) should tell the congreation HOW TO VOTE in an upcoming election (since he was telling them to vote for my candidate - I thought this was a neat idea at the time  ;) ). Point being - the Bible has been and is being used for a lot of things that have nothing to do with religion these days and to be THIS is a sin (my opinion only).

As far as religion goes. I have only two people to answer to - Me and God. As long as I'm happy and HE ain't complaining - things are just fine. Most people know right from wrong without someone quoting from the Bible to them.

Now how's that for a good Catholic upbringing?  ;;D

Hugs BD
Title: Re: What say you?
Post by Brewcrew on Mar 29th, 2007, 10:21am

on 03/29/07 at 09:07:57, BarbaraD wrote:
Over the years I've seen people PROVE almost anything THEY wanted to prove by quoting from the Bible and I think this is hogwash.

Especially when it's being done on my property without my consent. Hence the sign on my door.


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