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Title: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Sean_C on Mar 8th, 2007, 11:39pm Can anybody understand these people, just curious of what they were saying. Secondly, look how they use the o2, very strange. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IQ6s1no3Qg Sean.............................................. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Lobster on Mar 9th, 2007, 3:22am something surrender something |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by zwibbs/Scott on Mar 9th, 2007, 4:46am Even though it's french---the pain is the same worldwide |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by chewy on Mar 9th, 2007, 6:32am Might be a cluster attack. Might be he just realized he's from France. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by JenniferD on Mar 9th, 2007, 7:57am regardless of what ya think of the video, didn't you find yourself thinking, "hang in there man, it'll end soon" ? |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Sean_C on Mar 9th, 2007, 8:22am on 03/09/07 at 07:57:31, JenniferD wrote:
I pm'd him through You-Tube. I asked him if he was diagnosed with clusters headaches, I asked him if he was on any meds, and I gave him the link to the clustermasx. I'll let you know if he pm's me back. Sean........................................ |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Maffumatt on Mar 9th, 2007, 8:35am on 03/09/07 at 07:57:31, JenniferD wrote:
Yes I did. We all know what he's going through. Don't surrender....FIGHT. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by nani on Mar 9th, 2007, 8:39am It looks like he was hitting the O2 straight off the regulator. I know someone here who does that. Sounded like he was wasting a bunch of it, too. I have to admit, it hurt my head to watch him laying back. Am I the only one who can't do that? |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by ClusterChuck on Mar 9th, 2007, 8:46am Ummmm .. am I the only Doubting Thomas here? This person MAY have clusters, but this did not look realistic in several parts ... It looked to be a performance, to me. The most obvious, to me, was when he DID put the oxygen mask on, and was supposedly breathing it in, the bag never changed size. I know when I use the O2, and others I have witnessed, that bag inflates and deflates with each breath. Maybe I am wrong. I was once .. when I thought I was wrong, but I wasn't, so I was wrong in thinking I was wrong. Chuck |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Sean_C on Mar 9th, 2007, 8:49am on 03/09/07 at 08:39:38, nani wrote:
I can't lay down either, the only person I know of who could do that was Cooty's husband. I wondered when I saw the mask later in the video, if he doesn't use it during an attack because his bag closes due to a low pressure regulator? Sean.................................... |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Redd on Mar 9th, 2007, 9:00am Not all hits are high enough on the kip scale to make a person pace. I'm a rocker myself untill it gets to a 7 or higher. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 9th, 2007, 9:28am i can lay back, but i don't exactly categorize it as "laying down". i hate seeing it on video..... scott |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by chrisw on Mar 9th, 2007, 9:30am i can only pace until it gets to a 9 or so, then it hurts so much that i can see anymore, i cant walk anymore, but i still cant lay still like that, I can understand though that everybody is different. i used to act like that though, about 10 years ago. I look back fondly, and think, wow, those were the good old days. I thought things were bad, i thought the pain couldnt get anyworse, i would cry and roll around and lay down. boy was I wrong, i was in tears for this guy, and it sent an instant pain into my head. I swear, sometimes just thinking about getting a ch, makes my head hurt. does this mean ch is only "in our heads?" ha ha [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by thebbz on Mar 9th, 2007, 12:30pm I dont know about anybody else but..I only made it to 1min 26 sec. I cant watch that.... I am more violent than what I saw there though. Poor guy jb Edit: Demon bastard anyhow.( with a french accent) |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by barry_sword on Mar 9th, 2007, 12:49pm I am a rocker, pacer, not a layer downer. Cannot stay still for a sec. until it backs off. I have my "runway" cleared in my home, It is from the bedroom into the living room to the kitchen and back. I repeat this several times until done! :P This is a 50 foot runway with one obstacle, a cat scratch post about half way, that I deflect off of a few times. :) Barry |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by FramCire on Mar 9th, 2007, 1:12pm on 03/09/07 at 12:30:15, thebbz wrote:
I dont think I made it to a minute. I have never seen a hit on video nor do I ever want to. I tried today but couldn't. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by fubar on Mar 9th, 2007, 2:29pm I couldn't watch it either. Not all of it anyway. Somebody who speaks frog should make sure he get's on this board. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Sandy_C on Mar 9th, 2007, 2:32pm Well, I'm confused as well. He's got a tank there, but it's not hooked up with the regulator and mask - a lady brings that in, but backs away, and it's not hooked up. Why not? He should be hitting that tank and mask from the get go! I feel so sorry for the man, because, unless he's a great actor, he does seem to be in pain. But, he's got the 02 there, but not ready to go? From my own experience, and what I've read from all of you, that tank is ALWAYS hooked up and ready to rock and roll when you are. When it's finally hooked up, I also don't see a rebreather mask, bag inflation/deflation, etc. And, no, once I hit a k5, there is no laying down prone. I'm not a pacer, but I am a rocker, sitting upright, until I hit the lovely K8 or above. Then, I'm in a fetal position. ????? Sandy |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Sandy_C on Mar 9th, 2007, 2:35pm Oh, and as a side thought - I can't read French, but if you watch right at the beginning there is a phrase that scrolls across the screen that has the word "derriere" in it. I always thought that "derriere" had something to do with one's buttocks, but, as I said, I don't know French. ;;D Sandy |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by nani on Mar 9th, 2007, 3:48pm Just to clarify, I meant lay with my head back. I can lay down during a lower level attack, but it's on my side, in the fetal postion. Sandy, I thought I heard the O2 hissing the whole time. That's why I thought he was eventually just hitting the regulator. I couldn't watch after that. I hope someone can contact him. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by LeLimey on Mar 9th, 2007, 3:57pm Sandy that "derriere" means behind - the phrase is "an insufferable pain behind the eye" I've emailed the link and a request for help to a contact of mine in AFCAVF which is the Association Francais contre l'Algie vasculaire de la face - the French CH group so lets hope he gets some help soon Helen |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by TonyG1 on Mar 9th, 2007, 4:12pm Poor guy ... I wanted to put the darned mask on him and get him some coffee with an imitrex jab on the side.... Makes me hurt to watch ... I guess this would be good for episodics (like me) to watch ever so often between cycles as a reminder to always be on guard ... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Peppermint on Mar 9th, 2007, 4:23pm on 03/09/07 at 15:57:10, LeLimey wrote:
Great job Helen [smiley=hug.gif] I was trying to get my French on, so I understood some of the language on his website, but it looks like a sad and lonely message board. Only himself and one other poster. From what I could understand, there wasn't specific details as to how to effectively use 02... so he may not know how, which wouldn't be surprising. How many people had been given a cannula to use only to return the 02 as useless. I've watched many a hit, everyone's looks different to me, and watching this young man, whom I don't know, still was very hard to watch. Hopefully, someone will go to his site : http://algie.vasculaire.free.fr/modules/edito/ and point him in the right direction. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by E-Double on Mar 9th, 2007, 4:28pm Notsienfeld hits the O2 right from the tank If my flow is really high sometimes it doesn't even have a chance to deflate Sometimes I laydown and grin my head I'm about to check it out. I'll be back..........exactly Jen!!!!!!!!! I wanted to reach out and help |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Peppermint on Mar 9th, 2007, 5:24pm I posted the links to here and the French site with my rusty French. Hopefully, he'll check it out and maybe get some updated info on how to use oxygen at the very least. "patrice" |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by artonio7 on Mar 9th, 2007, 6:37pm Obviously they've found the utube contributions from this site. http://tinyurl.com/2b7x6u with warm regards. Tony |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by nani on Mar 9th, 2007, 7:57pm Actually Patty, about O2, Dave (nots) says it's better for him when he hits it like that. In the video he didn't want the non rebreather. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Jonny on Mar 9th, 2007, 9:00pm What this dumb fuck is doing is slowly purging the tank and filling the whole room with 02......one spark and the whole house goes up! When hes hanging on the tank hes hanging on the valve protector, it screws down over the valve to protect from snapoff. Did someone say hes French?......go figure!...LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Mar 9th, 2007, 9:53pm Patty. I speak a little french. What website are you talking to him on? Can you post a link? Thanks Brian ah yes. nevermind. I see Tony posted a link |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 9th, 2007, 10:40pm Technically, the reservoir bag on a nonrebreather mask should not deflate when using it. What often causes the bag to deflate is hyperventilation or breathing too rapidly to allow the bag to fill completely. Also, in an attempt to "get more O2 faster" - people take gulping breaths and the bag deflates. Usually, in the medical world, people are instructed to keep the O2 flow high enough so that the bag can't deflate - it's generally acceptible to deflate about 1/3, from what I've read. For me, the bag doesn't deflate much unless I take a breath that is so huge that it actually hurts....and then take several more breaths so fast that the bag doesn't have time to refill. Now my lungs are smaller than an adult male, as I'm a small frame person - so my tidal volume (cc's of air your lungs can hold) is smaller than an adult male's! I can only say that the one thing I was taught was that if someone is deflating the bag and the flow is on max, to try to tell them to slow their breathing if they can. I wouldn't dare tell somebody mid-attack to do that, but that's what we were taught in school anyway. So in the end - it won't deflate for everyone. Depends on breathing rate, depth, etc. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by TonyG1 on Mar 11th, 2007, 11:36am on 03/09/07 at 21:00:13, Jonny wrote:
I was thinking the same thing... hopefully, no one smokes in that house.... http://bestsmileys.com/fire/1.gif |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Mar 11th, 2007, 12:32pm on 03/09/07 at 21:00:13, Jonny wrote:
What dumb fuck and scare monger! The room looks like it has a capacity of 30-40 m3. Adding 1 or 2 m3 O2 from the tank increases the oxygen content from the normal 21% to 22 or 23%, a far cry from "filling the whole room with 02". Furthermore, oxygen does neither burn nor explode, it does promote combustion - but only if the is combustible stuff present. Like the propelling gas from a can of hair spray, which is a far more dangerous item to have in the house than a tank of oxygen. It looks like to be a dumb fuck it is not necessary to be French. [smiley=smokin.gif] PS, did I mention lately? Chewy sucks! |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Jonny on Mar 11th, 2007, 12:43pm on 03/11/07 at 12:32:19, AlienSpaceGuy wrote:
Even you Ueli know that anything saturated in 02 will go up like a rocket when in contact with fire.....your not that stupid, are you? ::) |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Lobster on Mar 11th, 2007, 1:27pm on 03/11/07 at 12:43:54, Jonny wrote:
Oxygen fire pic from a fairly small bottle. Things one typically does not believe to be fuel become fuel as the local oxygen content increases... such as metals. The aluminum cylinder itself has a surprisingly low ignition point. Also note that the narrowing inside a regulator is a recompression point, fulfilling the heat requirement of the fire triangle... even more so at our higher flow rates. http://www.merginet.com/images/ambo_fire.jpg |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by AlienSpaceGuy on Mar 11th, 2007, 1:28pm Well, I try to answer for Ueli. How the hell can you saturate anything with oxygen when the air has only a content of about 23%? I assume "anything" includes also the water in an aquarium that is kept saturated with oxygen. But I never heard of one going off like a rocket. I don't belive there exists some magical cloth that absorbs oxygen in a huge amount, like a sponge absorbs water. If the guy in the video would light up his Gauloise after the attack, it would burn slightly faster, but only noticeable to a very attentive observer. [smiley=smokin.gif] |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by LeLimey on Mar 11th, 2007, 1:34pm Have you ever seen a fire near an O2 tank Ueli? I can assure you it bloody well does accelerate it and scare the bejaysus out of you to boot. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Lobster on Mar 11th, 2007, 1:35pm Point of clarification though... I was only speaking for the direct vicinity of the bottle. Keeping the bottle open without a regulator is not much different than you exhaling through your mask. Your body is not absorbing much of the pure oxygen you had in your lungs for 2 seconds. If you want a worse scenario than the video, take someone who does O2 in their car. By the time the hit is over the inside of your car is practically an oxygen tent. And your most likely action immediately after the hit is to start hitting electrical switches... radios, wipers, lights, ignition... which are all in close proximity to fuels... soft metals, plastics, oils, carpets... You get the picture. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Jonny on Mar 11th, 2007, 2:11pm on 03/11/07 at 13:28:14, AlienSpaceGuy wrote:
Ok, Ueli ::) |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Brewcrew on Mar 11th, 2007, 2:20pm on 03/11/07 at 13:35:21, Lobster wrote:
Unless it's cold outside, in which case I've been known to drive sucking down O2 with all the windows down. But you're right most of the time. In the summer, I've got the a/c cranking. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Lobster on Mar 11th, 2007, 2:22pm Here is a cool vid. Now ignore the whole 'bottle exploding' thing. Pay attention to the fact that everything around the bottle when it discharged is now burning. A high concentration of oxygen, even if only for a fraction of a second, really promotes ignition. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP2PyyWn1QE And smoking in pure O2... (not what Ueli spoke of!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=174_ivcc73E |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Brewcrew on Mar 11th, 2007, 2:27pm I smoked a cigar that fast once. I was nervous. Oh yeah - puked my guts out when I was done. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Kevin_M on Mar 11th, 2007, 2:45pm on 03/11/07 at 12:32:19, AlienSpaceGuy wrote:
on 03/11/07 at 14:22:19, Lobster wrote:
I must be missing the finer points of this discrepancy. cluster trivia quiz of the day. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by Lobster on Mar 11th, 2007, 3:38pm on 03/11/07 at 14:45:04, Kevin_M wrote:
Indeed. Folks are disputing two points and are referencing points valid for one when referring to the other... which is fairly par for this course. One is 'overall o2 concentration in an enclosed space', versus 'pure o2 as it flows from the reg'. Ueli is correct in his arguments, regarding the overall room being safe, and the others correct in theirs, in the common dangers of a flowing o2 port. My astute reference was just pointing out that damn near anything could combust with trivial heat under a wash of pure o2. |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by TonyG1 on Mar 11th, 2007, 7:59pm on 03/11/07 at 15:38:36, Lobster wrote:
Presume that is inclusive of ppl: |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by mynm156 on Mar 15th, 2007, 7:17pm DAMN! Been THERE!!! |
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Title: Re: Another Ch attack added on You-Tube today Post by mynm156 on Mar 15th, 2007, 7:21pm on 03/09/07 at 22:40:21, Lizzie2 wrote:
This is for the most part true. However, MOST at home flow meters do not go much beyound 15 LPM. In the hospital we have meters that go WAY beyound that . The only way to insure that yhou are getting 100% 02 is to keep the bag from deflating. |
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