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Title: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Jonny on Mar 5th, 2007, 5:30pm at a medical test? My wife went for a bone scan and they asked her for her SS#, without thinking she gave it to the receptionist. This has never happen to me, I was just wondering what reason there could be for this and if any of you have ever been asked. Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Brewcrew on Mar 5th, 2007, 5:32pm Medical places always ask us for our name and date of birth. My wife refuses to get a cell phone with Verizon because she will not provide them with a SS#, which is something they require. |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Mar 5th, 2007, 5:32pm All kinds of places ask for it here - I don't give it to anyone. I can't think of any valid reason they would need it. Government agencies, yes - anyone else, nope! Carol |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by TonyG1 on Mar 5th, 2007, 5:35pm Generally if their is a question on insurance coverage, they could use it for insurance verification; however, normally I've been asked on paperwork when I was a new patient. Always pays to play it safe and ask them what they need it for .... |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by JeffB on Mar 5th, 2007, 5:38pm Maybe for record keeping. Thats the primary way for us to bring up an emplyees file. I have 30 Smiths, 38 Jone's, and 187 Martinez's, so plugging in a number in search mode makes it easier. |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by seasonalboomer on Mar 5th, 2007, 5:44pm a lot of medical offices were traditionally set-up that ssn was the account number, as was most blue cross med ins. -- mine just changed two years ago. medical establishment has been the slowest and dumbest when it comes to privacy issues. i remember going to see my wife in the hospital and every chart hanging in the rack outside every room had ssn right at the top of it....... probably nothing to worry about. i've reached the point where even if it is legit i give em a hard time when anyone asks for it. scott |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by cynjeep89 on Mar 5th, 2007, 5:48pm Jonny, When I was working in the Medical Records Dept. in a hospital, we used to use SS#/terminal digit method for our filing system. The file room was arranged by the last two #s of the SS# (or pseudo #s that were assigned to newborns). So, for example, if your SS# was 123-45-6789, your chart would be filed in the #89 section and working backwards, we would use the 67, 45 and 123 to file the chart. |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Jonny on Mar 5th, 2007, 5:56pm Thanks folks. With all the docs I have seen over the years they have never asked me that question. In this day and age its pays to ask questions, if ya know what I mean. Thanks again! |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Mosaicwench on Mar 5th, 2007, 6:38pm Three months from now request a copy of your credit report and see if anything new has been added on the off chance that this woman is phishing for identities . . . Just make a note on your calendar for June 5th to go and get a copy (you're allowed one free one per year). Can't hurt to keep a close eye on it. Hope your wife is okay - didn't even know you had a wife, Jonny! |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by artonio7 on Mar 5th, 2007, 6:44pm I've been asked for my ss# at the doctor's office before... I just gave them yours Jonny ;) with warm regards, Tony |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by JenniferD on Mar 5th, 2007, 6:53pm of all places........the pharmacy. They got seriously pissed cuz I wouldn't give it. too bad, so sad, you don't need it! |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Jonny on Mar 5th, 2007, 7:01pm on 03/05/07 at 18:38:13, Mosaicwench wrote:
Yeah, 17 years....still trying to figure out whats worse, CH or being married....LOL ;;D |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Redd on Mar 5th, 2007, 7:10pm Any place that you do not already have a line of credit, or you are asking them to extend you a line of credit CAN ask. Yes this does include such people as potential landlords, medical fascilities who are not "in network" in case your insurance is rejected for the tests being performed. Many clinics, mostly specialty clinics DO have the right to assess the person's credit worthyness. I worked in debt collection, and I can only tell you that there are 2 things that make the cost of medical care so damn high. Malpractice insurance costs, and "BAD DEBT". Billions upon billions of dollars go unpaid every year. From just one yes ONE medical group that used that service...they turned over between 1/4 to 1/2 a million dollars in bad debt per MONTH. That was to our office alone, and they contracted with 3 seperate collection agencies. So you do that math. And this is just ONE medical group. Cell phone companies also have the right to run a credit check before they approve the application. Most all of them do. Employers run credit checks. We need to be careful, but we also need to be informed consumers to know who does reserve the right to ask and who doesn't. |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Mosaicwench on Mar 5th, 2007, 8:46pm on 03/05/07 at 19:10:17, Redd wrote:
But they can use my driver's license number for a credit check, right? I walked out on a Verizon sale because they wouldn't give me a cell phone without my SS# or a $450 NONrefundable deposit - too bad I wasn't falling for it. I have a credit score in the 790's so there is no way I'm a risk. |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Charlie on Mar 5th, 2007, 9:26pm I get asked all the time since I started to deal with the government a bit. My bank wants it most of the time too because I never remember my savings account number. I don't like using it though. I won't carry any medical insurance cards that use it. I had a lot of trouble with my old isurance card because of it. Idiots. Charlie |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Lizzie2 on Mar 5th, 2007, 9:38pm The hospital where I work and also go as a patient asks for your SSN on everything. And every college out there seems to do the same. My student number was my SSN. And in classes, they usually report grades with the last 4 digits of your SSN. Is it right? Not really... I suppose I could have refused if I wanted to, but I never did... At any rate - in the hospital, usually after you give your name, the two things they verify are date of birth and SSN - when I worked in ER registration, I always had to get those 2 pieces of info to register someone, because if one of those numbers was incorrect or if the name was spelled wrong (or difficult to spell, given the number of ethnic names), we could always bring the person up with the SSN - no matter what. Also, the SSN is often a medicaid number in some states. If you have two patients with the same name and the same birthdate (it happens!), then you can distinguish them by SSN - and you can also merge charts that are accidentally started twice for the same person if you have the same SSN on them. I agree that this is dangerous, in terms of privacy, but that's largely why it is done! Name and date of birth are the two patient identifiers that are standard as per JCAHO (Joint Commission regulations). |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by BobG on Mar 6th, 2007, 6:23am on 03/05/07 at 20:46:20, Mosaicwench wrote:
In Nevada the SS# used to be used as a driver's license number until enough people complained and got it stopped. Now the DMV assigns a number that, with a mathematical formula, will reveal your SS#. Friggin bureaucrats. |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Redd on Mar 6th, 2007, 7:34am on 03/05/07 at 20:46:20, Mosaicwench wrote:
Drivers licence does not give access to your credit report, only to prove that you are the person they are running the credit report on. You have the choice to pay the deposit to secure their service, which is about 2x the amount of the breach of contract fee, or let them run the credit check. At the collection agency, I would see cell bills come in from Cellular One in amounts over 6K. Business to business credit checks occure every day where I work too. If a business doesn't want to go threw a credit check then they must prepay for their advertising. Heck...many advertisers have gone the route of bad debt with us to where we don't take any advertising from them without cash in hand. If they write a check, we call the bank to gaurentee funds. Cell phone companies are no different than any other service or business that needs to take measures to ensure they are going to get paid. |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by burnt-toast on Mar 6th, 2007, 8:30am You hear it all the time - To avoid identity theft never give out you're SS# number. It's part of the account number printed right on medical insurance cards, so I never get asked for it at the docs - they just have it. SS# is now required - by the Federal government, to purchase a fishing or hunting license in this state. The clerk a Walmart, Kmart, Dick's or Rinkydinks sporting goods gets to record all personal information including drivers license# and SS#. Pay by check or credit card and they also get a few starter account numbers to work with. Even worse is the fact that the completed tablets are routinely left on the counter in plain sight of anyone that wants to read them. Talk about a recipe for identiy theft and for what purpose - For the Federal government to keep tabs on hunters and fishermen? It's listed as optional on forms for purchasing firearms. I always refuse to give it to the store clerk when I buy a gun - I don't want the clerk to have all of my personal information. But when the clerk calls in for the instant background check the agent on the phone just gives it to the clerk to put on the form. It frosts me that a store clerk is recording every bit of information needed to start an identity theft ring. It also dispells the myth that there isn't any gun registration - but that's a different subject. So if you need medical care, fish, hunt or purchase a firearm - you've got nothing to protect. Tom |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by minnie on Mar 6th, 2007, 9:38am Worked in retail for years in the jewlery dept.Every once and a while I would see some customers would for some dumb/misinformed reason have their social security #printed on their checks I told them never do that and pointed out all the info on that check. ::) people just don't think.That was in the 90's and people are getting a little better.On my credit cards I write please ask for ID.It is VERY RARE for anyone to check the signiture so when they do and ask for ID I thank them.When I worked I always checked the sigiture and if it was inlegable I would ask for ID.Some got mad but most understood it was for their benefit.Retail is different now I also called people Mam and sir and tried to show respect thats rare now..... ok stepping off my soapbox Minnie ;) |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by drivin_blind on Mar 6th, 2007, 10:27am We no longer request or accept ssn#s on any court forms, except certain civil documents usually pertaining to credit card accounts or some cases of bank accounts where you would need a ssn. For what it's worth, I had surgery in Dec, and where it said ssn, I typed in 222-22-222 (registered by computer) and it was accepted and nobody ever questioned it. Not sure when it started, but I know all us Viet Nam era veterans have our ssn's as our serial # |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Mosaicwench on Mar 6th, 2007, 1:36pm on 03/06/07 at 10:27:16, drivin_blind wrote:
WWII vet benefits are all filed under the SS# as well. While my dad lived with us (and I was his health-care power of attorney) I'd have to spout his SS# all the time. |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by alienspacebabe on Mar 6th, 2007, 6:38pm When am I legally required to provide my Social Security number? Question : Must I provide a Social Security number (SSN) to any business or government agency that asks? Answer : The Social Security number (SSN) was originally devised to keep an accurate record of each individual’s earnings, and to subsequently monitor benefits paid under the Social Security program. However, use of the SSN as a general identifier has grown to the point where it is the most commonly used and convenient identifier for all types of record-keeping systems in the United States. Specific laws require a person to provide his/her SSN for certain purposes. While we cannot give you a comprehensive list of all situations where an SSN might be required or requested, an SSN is required/requested by: * Internal Revenue Service for tax returns and federal loans * Employers for wage and tax reporting purposes * States for the school lunch program * Banks for monetary transactions * Veterans Administration as a hospital admission number * Department of Labor for workers’ compensation * Department of Education for Student Loans * States to administer any tax, general public assistance, motor vehicle or drivers license law within its jurisdiction * States for child support enforcement * States for commercial driver’s licenses * States for Food Stamps * States for Medicaid * States for Unemployment Compensation * States for Temporary Assistance to Needy Families * U.S. Treasury for U.S. Savings Bonds The Privacy Act regulates the use of SSNs by government agencies. When a Federal, State, or local government agency asks an individual to disclose his or her Social Security number, the Privacy Act requires the agency to inform the person of the following: the statutory or other authority for requesting the information; whether disclosure is mandatory or voluntary; what uses will be made of the information; and the consequences, if any, of failure to provide the information. If a business or other enterprise asks you for your SSN, you can refuse to give it. However, that may mean doing without the purchase or service for which your number was requested. For example, utility companies and other services ask for a Social Security number, but do not need it; they can do a credit check or identify the person in their records by alternative means. Giving your number is voluntary, even when you are asked for the number directly. If requested, you should ask why your number is needed, how your number will be used, what law requires you to give your number and what the consequences are if you refuse. The answers to these questions can help you decide if you want to give your Social Security number. The decision is yours. |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Redd on Mar 6th, 2007, 6:47pm Quote:
That is my point although I didn't do very well at bringing that across. Thanks Liz |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Jonny on Mar 6th, 2007, 6:56pm I learned through a call today to the IRS (to settle some shit my payroll company fucked up) that the SS admin. has me on their records as been being born in 1963. Im not 44, im 43.....LOL ;;D I feel so young!....LMMFAO [smiley=laugh.gif] Fucking tards!! |
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Title: Re: Have you ever been asked for your SS#.... Post by Redd on Mar 6th, 2007, 7:08pm Hey.....you get to retire a year earlier Whatcha complaining 'bout? [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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