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(Message started by: tanner on Jan 16th, 2007, 5:26pm)

Title: Marine Studies
Post by tanner on Jan 16th, 2007, 5:26pm

This is not an attempt to stir anyone up or put anyone down I just thought it to be an interesting story that didn't belong in the "Funnies" section.

 Marine Studies
A United States Marine was attending
some college courses between assignments. He had completed missions in Iraq and Afghanistan One of the courses had a professor who was an avowed atheist and a member of the ACLU.

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes."The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am God. I'm still waiting." It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his Chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold.

The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The other students were shocked and stunned and sat there looking on in silence.
The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the Marine and asked, "What the hell is the matter with you? Why did you do that?"
The Marine calmly replied, "God was too busy today protecting America 's soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid stuff and act like an a--hole. So, He sent me."

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by echo on Jan 16th, 2007, 5:29pm
I like it.  Great story.

(father of two US Marines)

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jonny on Jan 16th, 2007, 5:30pm
[smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif]

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by JeffB on Jan 16th, 2007, 6:54pm
Very nice. Too many left wing professors! ;;D

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jan 16th, 2007, 7:22pm
Marines are great people. 8)

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by JeffB on Jan 16th, 2007, 7:33pm
This one almost got my ass kicked in Manilla!

JeffB: Hey dude, you know what the mascot for the Army is?

Marine: Uh, no....what?


JeffB: A Jackass!


JeffB: Do you know what the mascot of the Navy is?


Marine: Uh, no.....what?


JeffB: Same as the Army, but we call 'em Marines!

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by JeffB on Jan 16th, 2007, 7:34pm

on 01/16/07 at 19:22:53, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
Marines are great people. 8)


Ditto Zwibby! ;)

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by floridian on Jan 16th, 2007, 9:14pm
So is your hypothetical Marine the Christian equivalent of Hezbollah - the party of God?  God is on our side, God said I could do something that is ordinarily not tolerated?  

They say there are no atheists in foxholes - yet soldiers on all all sides seem to get killed regardless of how much they pray, what language they pray in, or what name they have for God.  God's existence remains a matter of faith.  Foolish governments that start foolish wars are a proven fact.

Trust in God, but send them better body armor.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jonny on Jan 16th, 2007, 9:32pm

on 01/16/07 at 21:14:02, floridian wrote:
So is your hypothetical Marine the Christian equivalent of Hezbollah - the party of God?  God is on our side, God said I could do something that is ordinarily not tolerated?  

They say there are no atheists in foxholes - yet soldiers on all all sides seem to get killed regardless of how much they pray, what language they pray in, or what name they have for God.  God's existence remains a matter of faith.  Foolish governments that start foolish wars are a proven fact.

Trust in God, but send them better body armor.


Oh STFU, Flo!!

First you debate a joke I post with facts....now you bust on some story that is probably bull shit.

Why dont you move to another country if you dont like it here? obvisouly you hate this country!

Christ, when you have to debate jokes you have nothing better to do than put us down.



Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by floridian on Jan 16th, 2007, 9:45pm

on 01/16/07 at 17:26:58, tanner wrote:
This is not an attempt to stir anyone up or put anyone down I just thought it to be an interesting story that didn't belong in the "Funnies" section.


Obviously, not intending to stir up any shit.  And it was posted on the "Worldwide Cluster Headache Support Group" in the general section because everyone here is a right wing Christian citizen of the US, or should have to experience the joys of that if they want to be part of the group.  (And there are no sections on this board labeled 'blasphemy' or 'political propaganda.')

Sorry, Jonny boy, if other people are going to post this crap, they should expect a variety of responses. Free speech and all that.  Which we wouldn't have if Saddam wasnt executed.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by andrewjb on Jan 16th, 2007, 10:03pm
rave on floridan, you pedantic git. i love it, andrew.          edited to add. marines are good drinking friends !

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Charlie on Jan 16th, 2007, 11:31pm
I always thought that if I were going to deal with Christianity, I'd consider being Catholic. They make it a point of saying that God doesn't punish.

I like their consistency too, no matter my convictions.

Charlie

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by tanner on Jan 16th, 2007, 11:58pm

on 01/16/07 at 21:14:02, floridian wrote:
So is your hypothetical Marine the Christian equivalent of Hezbollah - the party of God?  God is on our side, God said I could do something that is ordinarily not tolerated?  

They say there are no atheists in foxholes - yet soldiers on all all sides seem to get killed regardless of how much they pray, what language they pray in, or what name they have for God.  God's existence remains a matter of faith.  Foolish governments that start foolish wars are a proven fact.

Trust in God, but send them better body armor.



Jonathan, I am not sure what button I pushed to upset you, but I can assure you that it was not intended! I was not being disingenuous when I wrote the disclaimer preceding the obvious paste of something sent to me. I don't see where I was making any kind of a statement about the wars that we are involved in nor do I see where I made any reference to how I might feel about how we are engaged in them.

You know as much about my personal religious belief as you have chosen to ask about ....which is zero. Please feel free to do so as I am not shy to say what I believe. If I picked the wrong forum to place this type of post then please excuse my ignorance, you must know something I don't [smiley=huh.gif]

Should you feel to be so forthcoming I would be happy to discuss what people in foxholes or helicopters in my case might be thinking and just what gets them through the day!

I can assure you that posts like the one you responded with are not it.

Peace and the sooner the better.....Tim

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by zwibbs/Scott on Jan 17th, 2007, 5:20am
Tim, There was absolutely nothing wrong with your post. Everyone is free to feel or believe what they want. It's the number one reason why America is a GREAT country. It is also the reason why other Countries hate us. They believe that you MUST believe what they tell you to believe in--or else they kill you. The story about the Marine was probably fabricated, but there are profs who have strange beliefs , and do make statements in class to stir contoversy and debate. To each his own. When I was involved in wartime--I prayed every minute of everyday because you're there to protect the freedom that AMERICANS  can be free to believe !!! For anyone to be critical of that is just plain ridiculous !

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by floridian on Jan 17th, 2007, 6:30am
Tim - No, I don't know about your religious beliefs, only mine. For me, the idea that God is on our side generally borders on blasphemy, and routinely crosses into it.  The use of magical thinking and conjuring up divine whisperings and blessings is tolerable when a co-worker explains that God told them to take next week off and drive to the city for a break, but dangerous when dealing with war.    

Isn't your post is really about a desire to punch out liberal atheists and members of the ACLU?  Doesn't it use God and the Marine Corps as shield to express that desire, on the assumption that most people are too sheepish to oppose it for fear of being branded a traitor??  It relies on freedom of speech, but dreams of a day when that freedom is suspended and violence is used to put the liberals in their place.

Jonny - you can label me 'patriotically incorrect' and suggest I leave this country.  Sorry.  I don't care about your labels - we obviously have a different definition of patriotism. Maybe since we just celebrated Martin Luther King day, we should discuss why that patriot said that America was 'the greatest purveyor of violence in the world' ??  

Some people with patriotic feelings blind themselves to anything negative, while others recognize the problems and try to deal with them.  No different from family - some kids refuse to recognize the flaws and faults of their parents, because they think that would go against the idea of loving their parents, or that their parents would stop loving them.  And then they grow up, accept the fact that their parent is flawed, but still love them anyway.  



For the record, I'm a patriotic believer in God who doesn't believe that atheists should be stripped of their legal rights. Unlike some of the mullahs:


Quote:
Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

[G.W.] Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.




Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by seasonalboomer on Jan 17th, 2007, 7:04am
That's a great story Tim. Reminiscent of the "lost at sea" story, where the guy on the lifeboat keeps praying for God to save him. A variety of humans and would be rescuers all try to help him, to which he shoo's off each attempt, claiming God will help him. He dies and gets to heaven to ask God why he didn't save him, and God tells him, "I sent two different ships and a helicopter, what more do you want?"

Come on Flo, an ACLU card carrying, atheist, professor who flouts belief is a great foil for about any joke. If we reduce and disect all humor we'll only end up in a world where knock-knock jokes are high comedy. I know that someone from your side of aisle always trots out some tired Elie Wiesel about how "eventually they came for me", but not everything and everyone needs to be defended so vehemently. Humor is often the closest thing to love we have in this world.

Scott

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by burnt-toast on Jan 17th, 2007, 7:29am
Careful now....

God's watching all this and may be thinking about switching sides.  ::)

Tom

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jonny on Jan 17th, 2007, 5:37pm

on 01/16/07 at 21:14:02, floridian wrote:
So is your hypothetical Marine the Christian equivalent of Hezbollah


Where do you get off comparing an American Marine to the scum of Hezbollah?

Do you think a Marine would do this to a child, Flo?

*WARNING*....Graphic child abuse by Hezbollah!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=acc088f402

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jackie on Jan 17th, 2007, 5:57pm
Great post, tanner....I love it!

Flo....you are displaying the characterists a chronic malcontent wart hog..... ::)  Maybe a change in diet would help...

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by JeffB on Jan 17th, 2007, 6:04pm
These people will never get out of the stone age.

If they do something like that with a truck just imagine what they would do with a nuke, in the name of Islam!
Friggin bastards!

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by floridian on Jan 17th, 2007, 7:17pm

on 01/17/07 at 17:37:28, Jonny wrote:
Where do you get off comparing an American Marine to the scum of Hezbollah?


Look, dickwad, I didn't invent the imaginary Marine that goes around assaulting people who refuse to tow the official religious line.  The fact that I noted the obvious parallels between this great role model that you facists twits are promoting and other religious zealots doesn't mean I agree with what was said - in fact, I think its about as funny as Kerry's joke.  And we know that humor is the closest thing to love that there is, right?    

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jonny on Jan 17th, 2007, 7:24pm

on 01/17/07 at 19:17:23, floridian wrote:
Look, dickwad, I didn't invent the imaginary Marine


Name calling, Flo?

Why on earth would you argue a story thats more than likely BS?

Probably for the same reason you argued a political joke I posted!

You just need to argue, have you sought mental help for this?.......you really need to.

Hope you find the help you need soon, Flo......we do care about you!  :-*

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by floridian on Jan 17th, 2007, 8:11pm
Why on Earth would you criticize and analyze Kerry's joke?  Maybe because a joke is just a joke, but jokes also have meaning like any other words?  

Name calling?  Sure, when appropriate. You go from being obnoxious to the offended saint pretty quick, and now your Dr. Phil trying to reach out to me.  Going around pre-emptively posting "I hope Flo doesn't see this thread" as if you understood how I think?  You don't give a shit about me or my mental health (which is fine, thanks) - you want this to be your right wing soap box no matter who it offends or turns off, and your only pissed that I disagree instead of crawling off like most others.




Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jonny on Jan 17th, 2007, 8:30pm

on 01/17/07 at 20:11:00, floridian wrote:
 Going around pre-emptively posting "I hope Flo doesn't see this thread" as if you understood how I think?  You don't give a shit about me or my mental health (which is fine, thanks) -


No, I dont give a fuck how mental you are , but I do know how you think!......your a left wing, country hating, ACLU, wannabe!

Watch this, Flo     http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b48d130cb4....these are Marines at the brink of death.

There are two reasons they are fighting so hard in this video clip.

1) So they can come home to their loved ones.

2) So you can argue political jokes on a message board and scream "Free speech"

Dig your head out of your ass!







Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by karma on Jan 17th, 2007, 9:01pm

Quote:
1) So they can come home to their loved ones. yep

2) So you can argue political jokes on a message board and scream "Free speech"Nope

They fight because its there job and because of a monumental mistake that has been made and now can't be fixed without embarassing and endangering the U.S.

To fight, kill and be killed and to believe that "god is on my side"while I do it is just wrong but the humane race just won't learn.
Faith is beautiful, Violence in the name of faith is a gross abuse.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jonny on Jan 17th, 2007, 9:07pm

on 01/17/07 at 21:01:16, karma wrote:
They fight because its there job  


You say "nope" to free speech?

If you had a job that was going to kill you.....would you not quit that job and refuse to fight?

Where do you live again, Karma?

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by karma on Jan 17th, 2007, 9:23pm
Jonny,
Please, once and for all let me try and explain. Stop me if you don't get it.
It is possible to live outside the U.S. and still be a U.S. citizen. It is possible to live outside the U.S. and be patriotic and to care what my country is doing. Where I live is irrelevant. Get it???

Please explain how freedom of speech is relevant to the shit that our boys are being forced to go through.

I will always choose to avoid a fight if possible. Somtimes I can sometimes I can't.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jonny on Jan 17th, 2007, 9:28pm

on 01/17/07 at 21:23:29, karma wrote:
It is possible to live outside the U.S. and still be a U.S. citizen.


I guess you didnt get my last question, eh?

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by karma on Jan 17th, 2007, 9:32pm
I live in St. Maarten, born and bred in St. Thomas. Good enough?
That still leaves my question unanswered. Your turn

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jonny on Jan 17th, 2007, 9:40pm
Sir, you are way out of your realm of speaking for anyone......LOL

When we need to hear from you we will ask!

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by karma on Jan 17th, 2007, 9:51pm
I speak for myself.
Typical Jonny response when backed into a corner.
Don't answer and try and belittle the person.
I noticed a We in there. Just who is we? Just who are YOU speaking for?
Never mind don't answer Your not worth wasting any more time on.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Jonny on Jan 17th, 2007, 9:51pm
Ill leave you with this.


on 01/17/07 at 21:23:29, karma wrote:
Please explain how freedom of speech is relevant to the shit that our boys are being forced to go through.


You dont live in the US, you dont have to worry about being attacked with a suitcase bomb....Nuke....do you?

STFU......go on vacation with Flo you wannabe American!!

Christ!

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by karma on Jan 17th, 2007, 10:13pm
And I'll leave you with this.
Is it possible I have family living in the Continental U.S.?
what about my mother and father? What about my brothers and sisters? What about my nieces and nephews, my aunts and uncles, my cousins and and my son who is going to school there? What about my family in the military and the sons of my friends in the military?
You think I don't worry about terror attacks? One of these days I'll sit your opinionated a$$ down  and explain to you just exactly what my job is.
American Wannabee? Give me a fucking break.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by pubgirl on Jan 17th, 2007, 10:24pm

on 01/17/07 at 21:51:49, Jonny wrote:
Ill leave you with this.


You dont live in the US, you dont have to worry about being attacked with a suitcase bomb....Nuke....do you?

STFU......go on vacation with Flo you wannabe American!!

Christ!



Hang on Jonny! I don't want to inflame but this isn't entirely fair.
Do you have to live in the USA to count in this?

I admire patriots and am one myself but the USA doesn't have a monopoly on what happens in this war or who can comment. We now have many hundreds dead too via the war AND via terrorist attacks in your and our country and live on a pretty permanent alert too.

This isn't just an American issue

W


Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by UN solved on Jan 17th, 2007, 11:00pm
Personally, I liked the story. Why anyone would go so upset by it beats me.  [smiley=huh.gif]

UNsolved

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Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 17th, 2007, 11:03pm

on 01/17/07 at 21:01:16, karma wrote:
They fight because its there job and because of a monumental mistake that has been made and now can't be fixed without embarassing and endangering the U.S.


A lot of wars have involved monumental mistakes, whether it is has been how they started or how they were wrongly strategized in the fighting.  Despite either, Marines show their face.


I saw the post by Tanner as the professor saying something which perhaps in real life wouldn't happen unless there was some real quick point to be made, and if there was, I wouldn't need to learn it.  Continuing to wait for a response from God, well, I'd have stepped up verbally in the first minute to say make a quick point about this or start juggling while we're waiting, in all respect, of course.    ::)
 In the depicted scenario, the Marine seems have took what the professor said to be perhaps deserving of deliverance in some fashion or form after having to wait out the ridiculousness of this 15 minutes, as I would have.  In this case, in a Marine way, better to have it happen from him than from God, anyway.    ;;D


I haven't been a Marine, but if I knew that was going to part of class that day beforehand, would have been a better smartass for the entire 15 minutes.  Isn't that what the professor was attempting?  Sounds to me he was just begging for a lesson in how it's done.  ;)

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by andrewjb on Jan 17th, 2007, 11:06pm
;). i like this place, wish i could slap you all on the back and buy you a beer, or five ! andrew. ps. nothing like nice warm coversation.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by catlind on Jan 17th, 2007, 11:48pm
Hmm interesting.  In a broad stroke of the brush I have been labelled unpatriotic and not worthy of seeking citizenship in this country - despite my husband being an active duty member of the USAF and having fought in Bosnia (2X) and Afghanistan and 2 tours in Korea.  

Interesting....guess I'll just go to the corner for those not welcome because they don't fit into the specific mould demanded and required.

Cat

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by artonio7 on Jan 17th, 2007, 11:57pm

on 01/17/07 at 22:24:00, pubgirl wrote:
Hang on Jonny! I don't want to inflame but this isn't entirely fair.
Do you have to live in the USA to count in this?

I admire patriots and am one myself but the USA doesn't have a monopoly on what happens in this war or who can comment. We now have many hundreds dead too via the war AND via terrorist attacks in your and our country and live on a pretty permanent alert too.

This isn't just an American issue

W


If you have the the ability to download this streaming video, and the time to watch it... I highly recommend it.... It poses a lot of interesting questions... many of which I asked myself from the moment they occured...


http://tinyurl.com/ljx5a

with warm regards,
Tony

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Charlie on Jan 18th, 2007, 1:40am

Quote:
Jonny - you can label me 'patriotically incorrect' and suggest I leave this country.  Sorry.  I don't care about your labels - we obviously have a different definition of patriotism.


It's called "Patriotism Light," Flo. Stick a flag decal on the windshield, some other stuff on the bumper and make sure there is a "love it or leave it" style saying included.

"Patriotism light" is when lame speeches after 9-11 tell us of dire consequences if we get upset when the feds go through our mail while at the same time being told to go to the mall, keep shopping, buy jewelry, guzzle gas and bless them for awarding no-bid contracts to the greediest people in history.

No real sacrifices necessary though, not to worry; here is your RWB lapel pin....that'll $4.95, thank you.

Charlie

Title: Re: Marine StudiesTEHRAN, Iran - Iran's hard-line
Post by floridian on Jan 18th, 2007, 9:31am
That video of the kid being punished for stealing is pretty brutal - but is brutality wrong when they do it, but OK when we do it?


Quote:
     
U.S.: Missouri Gov. Urged Not to Execute Juvenile Offender With Mental Retardation
...
There have only been six known executions of people who committed offenses at age sixteen or younger in the world since 1990. If Richardson's execution is carried out, it will be the second such execution in the United States in the past two years.  

In the last decade, there have only been twenty-five known executions of offenders under the age of eighteen worldwide. Thirteen of the twenty-five took place in the United States.  

Since 1990, the only other countries known to have executed juvenile offenders are the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2001/03/05/usdom350.htm


And bashing liberal professors is another thing that conservatives in the US and Iran have in common:


Quote:
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Tuesday for a purge of liberal and secular teachers from the country's universities, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported in another step back to 1980s-style radicalism. ... In the early 1980s, shortly after the revolution, Iran sacked hundreds of liberal and leftist university teachers and students.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14676069/


The big difference seems to be the branding - some people want to stamp this type of behavior as Islamic with an Iranian flag, others as Christian with an American flag.  Some of us think that its wrong regardless of what kind of veneer its coated with.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Ghost on Jan 18th, 2007, 10:01am

on 01/17/07 at 23:06:18, andrewjb wrote:
;). i like this place, wish i could slap you all on the back and buy you a beer, or five ! andrew. ps. nothing like nice warm coversation.



Works for me Hope to get to soon.

Mike

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by tanner on Jan 18th, 2007, 10:10am

on 01/17/07 at 23:06:18, andrewjb wrote:
;). i like this place, wish i could slap you all on the back and buy you a beer, or five ! andrew. ps. nothing like nice warm coversation.


The pound is very strong vs the dollar. Shall I book you a room in Richmond? ;)

Stay well and warm, it is very yucky here right now.....Tim

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 18th, 2007, 10:40am
I couldn't get past this part without taking whatever comes after lightly


Quote:
"God, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes."


The professor is TELLING God what to do.  Seems a might ridiculous to me.  Whatever comes after, including the Marine hitting the professor, which would be part of the punchline, ;) I can only see as humor.


Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by JeffB on Jan 18th, 2007, 10:53am
I think there are professors out there that would say something like that as a matter of fact I would bet a months pay on it.
They have a captive audience and only one thing matters to them, making everyone believe what they say is true.
It sickens me that in a time of war all these fucks can do is complain and critcise. Doesn't matter where these dicks came from who flew planes into our buildings, what matters is their beliefs about us and now we get to see just how countries like Iran and Syria see us. We just can't walk away from that part of the world, we need to have a solid grip there and take care of those idiots now.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 18th, 2007, 11:35am
I simply don't see how telling God what to do could be taken with any seriousness.







Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by brewcrew on Jan 18th, 2007, 11:49am

on 01/18/07 at 11:35:41, Kevin_M wrote:
I simply don't see how telling God what to do could be taken with any seriousness.

I believe that even the most convinced of atheists would agree that, if there was a God, mocking him would be a really, really bad idea.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 18th, 2007, 11:59am

on 01/18/07 at 11:49:53, brewcrew wrote:
I believe that even the most convinced of atheists would agree that, if there was a God, mocking him would be a really, really bad idea.


A bit smartass for me, was my first impression, of which it seems he needs lessons in how it's done, in the manner my first post states.    ;)



Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Jan 18th, 2007, 12:15pm

on 01/18/07 at 11:49:53, brewcrew wrote:
I believe that even the most convinced of atheists would agree that, if there was a God, mocking him would be a really, really bad idea.


I am an atheist, and I agree.  However, I also think that using God to do un-Godlike things is even worse.  For example:

"God told me to punch you in the face"  is anti-God, and blastphemy.

"God is protecting our soldiers" is also anti-God.  Try telling that to Casey Sheehan.  Does it mean that God dropped the ball?

God is not to be used as a fair weather friend, nor is he to be used as a smoke screen.  Course, I have never read the bible, maybe i am wrong.



Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by brewcrew on Jan 18th, 2007, 12:28pm

on 01/18/07 at 12:15:39, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
I am an atheist, and I agree.  However, I also think that using God to do un-Godlike things is even worse.  For example:

"God told me to punch you in the face"  is anti-God, and blastphemy.

"God is protecting our soldiers" is also anti-God.  Try telling that to Casey Sheehan.  Does it mean that God dropped the ball?

God is not to be used as a fair weather friend, nor is he to be used as a smoke screen.  Course, I have never read the bible, maybe i am wrong.

I hope your questions are not directed at me, because I am no expert on the nature or will of God.

The truly good-at-heart religious people I know have one thing in common - they pray thusly: Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Not my will, or your will, or our will. Thy will.

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by LeLimey on Jan 18th, 2007, 12:42pm
I cannot believe this argument over a bloody joke..
Remind me never to tell you the one about a Pole, an American and a Brit.. you'd make 8 pages  ::)

Lighten up FFS. Political threads are one thing but getting your knickers in a knot over a joke is just bloody daft

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by JeffB on Jan 18th, 2007, 12:47pm
But Tim started it :P

Sorry, Tim. Had to throw someone under the bus ;;D

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by jimmers on Jan 18th, 2007, 12:47pm
Amen Helen!

Jimmers

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by tanner on Jan 18th, 2007, 1:00pm

on 01/18/07 at 12:47:07, JeffB wrote:
But Tim started it :P

Sorry, Tim. Had to throw someone under the bus ;;D


Geez Jeff way watch a buds back  [smiley=bash.gif]

I was still on Helen's "nice" list ;;D

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Guiseppi on Jan 18th, 2007, 1:00pm
I normally avoid reading these links. I've been in law enforcement 27 years and get plenty of conflict at work so I avoid it everywhere else. This thread was different.

For all the flame outs, if you read it carefully, there are some very well thought out points worthy of consideration no matter which side you're on. To those who actually thought out their replies, even going as far as to cite other sources, thank you! Gives one much to chew on.

On the other hand, it was just a joke.....

Guiseppi

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Charlie on Jan 18th, 2007, 8:08pm
My views are similar to Woody Allen who said that if there is a god, he is an underachiever.  :o

Charlie

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by BobG on Jan 18th, 2007, 8:14pm

on 01/18/07 at 20:08:10, Charlie wrote:
My views are similar to Woody Allen who said that if there is a god, he is an underachiever.  :o

Charlie

I don't about that, Charlie. He did a hellava job on the Grand Canyon. Biggest friggin hole I've ever seen.  ;;D

But then, He also invented the avocado. Not His best work.  :P

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by pubgirl on Jan 18th, 2007, 8:24pm
and he really could have made men's gonads nicer to look at and taste better  :-X :-[ :-[

W

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Charlie on Jan 18th, 2007, 8:53pm

Quote:
But then, He also invented the avocado. Not His best work.


Have to agree and also that it would be nicer if this god would make it easier to climb out of the holes.  ::)

Charlie

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by brewcrew on Jan 18th, 2007, 8:56pm

on 01/18/07 at 20:24:46, pubgirl wrote:
and he really could have made men's gonads nicer to look at and taste better  :-X :-[ :-[W

I am at a total and utter loss for words....  [smiley=yikes.gif]

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by pubgirl on Jan 18th, 2007, 8:59pm

on 01/18/07 at 20:56:43, brewcrew wrote:
I am at a total and utter loss for words....  [smiley=yikes.gif]


You could say the same about womens'  ;;D

A thought. It would be a fab thread "Wot God got wrong"

Ch would be Number 1!

Dubya

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Racer1_NC on Jan 18th, 2007, 9:02pm

on 01/18/07 at 20:59:54, pubgirl wrote:
You could say the same about womens'  ;;D


He could but he probably wishes to continue living.....ROFL

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by burnt-toast on Jan 19th, 2007, 8:18am
At the very least God could make it clear to everyone which side she/he/it is really on.  And all at the same time because historically God’s big mistake is selecting only specific individuals to hear and pass on his/her/it’s word.  Way too much is getting lost in the translation.          

This would…

Save significant resources by requiring only one printed version of holy text, free up massive amounts of bandwidth on the web and significant storage space on servers around the globe.  

Significantly reduce the number of religious hacks we have to flip past on TV.

Allow all true believers to pay their heavenly entry fees to the right ministry.  

Permit all gamblers to bet correctly on the outcome of all sporting events and allow top athletes to sleep better before the big event.  

Free up lots of real estate currently occupied by churches, temples, etc. of blasphemous religions.  

Eliminate waiting until the end of every war to find out which side God was really backing – surrender would occur prior to the start of armed conflict.      

Significantly increase government revenue through the collection of back-taxes from blasphemous religions.

Eliminate the term “while my esteemed colleagues on the other side of the aisle” from politics.  This will temporarily speed up/improve political decisions until career politicians find more creative ways to muck up the process.


Well I know what I’m asking for in my next round of prayer.

Tom

Title: Re: Marine Studies
Post by Charlie on Jan 19th, 2007, 8:19pm
Amen Brother

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