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(Message started by: pubgirl on Jan 15^th, 2007, 7:03am)

Title: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 15^th, 2007, 7:03am

A bit shocked at news we just heard on the BBC :o :o

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16633276/

What did they use for a noose?

Cheese-wire?

W

Random thought here added: We used to have a famous "professional hangman" here in the 50's and 60's when we used to have the death penalty called Albert Pierpoint who apparently could calculate the length of rope needed for a "perfect long drop" just by looking at the condemned man. Apparently it is a bit of an art- too short = slow strangulation, not nice for the condemned and not pretty to watch, too long = gory bits for the witnesses but condemned knows nowt about it (I'm a bit embarassed that I happen to know this :-[) We have only ever had hanging as a death penalty here in living memory- no electric chairs or lethal injections here.

Sounds like they could have done with him here as this won't help relationships with the Sunnis much, especially after Saddam's execution!

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 15^th, 2007, 7:33am

Sorry if you think I am weird . Shall stop now but it is interesting, even though I don't agree with capital punishment on a really unshakeable level.!

Just found this which might explain why "erring on the side of a too long drop" was thought a good idea.

"Once dropped, there are no known cases of survival by the long drop with a secure noose. In Islamic Counties, there have been cases were victims have been pulled off the noose alive after several minutes, they use the old fashioned strangulation method there but under Sharia law (Islamic religious law) the murdered victims family can ask that the execution be stopped at any time, there is no such chance once the trap doors open in the old 'long drop' hanging"

Not sure if Sharia law could have applied here, but it might explain things if it does.

W

I am also vindicated in my random thought about Pierpoint. On 10th January this was posted about Saddam's execution on the American Open Democracy forum:

http://www.opendemocracy.net/forums/thread.jspa?forumID=87&threadID=47703&messageID=101893

Re: Where is the Criticism of Saddam's Execution? Posted: 10-Jan-2007 00:13 Reply

Actually the Iraqi hangman could benefit from some lessons from Albert Pierpoint. Rather than that large lump of knotted rope a simple eye would do the trick and it would have been better had the rope been bound in leather. It is also a shame the condemned cell was not adjacent and level to the gallows rather than requiring the condemned man to walk up a flight of steps. I believe Mr Pierpoint was so swift in his job that from the moment the cell door opened until he pulled the lever invariably took less than 1 minute.

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by cootie on Jan 15^th, 2007, 12:48pm

Ech.....it probly just added to the shock value of the hangings...........everyone loves a suprise Pam :P :P :P

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by Paul98 on Jan 15^th, 2007, 3:16pm

The guy lucked out. He could have been hanging there with a dislocated vertbrate and slowly strangled to death.

I think exicution is one of the the things the French got right. The anticipation leading up the the blade coming down is what made it greusome.

-P.

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by AussieBrian on Jan 15^th, 2007, 3:27pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Table_of_Drops

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by JeffB on Jan 15^th, 2007, 3:30pm

Sounds like he just didn't want to HANG around. ;;D

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by Paul98 on Jan 15^th, 2007, 3:41pm

on 01/15/07 at 15:27:40, AussieBrian wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Table_of_Drops

Wow! You realize that the "research" needed to make those tables took..............years. Poor bastards of the shrot rope.

-P.

ps... you do realize that the known survival times of people in cold water is due to WWll and Hitler. Scary shit that we still use this knowledge.

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by cootie on Jan 15^th, 2007, 4:16pm

Yeah that's it.....the guy didn't wanna hang around anymore so bad he threw a fit and lost his head over it..........so did he get the long or short end of the rope Pam

Really is a grusom ordeal.....no doubt !

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by chewy on Jan 15^th, 2007, 6:13pm

Muslim Wardrobe Malfunction

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 15^th, 2007, 6:26pm

on 01/15/07 at 15:27:40, AussieBrian wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Table_of_Drops

Wow Brian, is there anything the Net DOESN'T have on it?

Coots- I thought I was sick! I think that is called "gallows humour"

W

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by Jonny on Jan 15^th, 2007, 6:40pm

Theres a video and you know its just a matter of time before its leaked ;;D

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=79f128e992

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 15^th, 2007, 7:51pm

I thought I once read that the type, size, and placement of the knot was so that when dropped, the knot would drive the smallest vertebrae into the brain for an instant death, but I guess that didn't get perfected so well.

An account of Mary Queen of Scots I read.

It took the nervous executioner three strokes to take off Mary's head and when his companion raised it up, with the shout, "God save the Queen," he found himself, in a moment of grim farce, holding a chestnut wig, as her gray head rolled on the floor.

[smiley=gocrazy.gif]

941.061 D

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by Jonny on Jan 15^th, 2007, 8:02pm

Mary's giving head?

Where does the line form?....LOL ;;D

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 15^th, 2007, 8:09pm

If it is done right it is supposed to be quicker and more "humane" (odd word) than your lethal injection.

The Theory- obviously didn't apply yesterday!!

"It takes less than a second, about a quarter second or third of a second, for the length of rope to be fully extended, and the weight of the victims rapidly falling body to exert the massive force which causes death. A brass eyelet is positioned on the noose in a position that causes the body to jerk back-wards; this will dislocate the cervical vertebrae and cause severe damage of the spinal cord. The rope used is always hemp, actually made from the fibres of the cannabis plant.This hemp rope is stretched the night before the execution by using a weight of approximately the same weight as the intended victim. This is to prevent slack in the rope from exerting less than the required force. The victim actually dies by suffocation, but if the hanging is carried out correctly, the victim is thought to be deeply unconscious from the moment the 'neck' snaps"

W

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 15^th, 2007, 8:10pm

A few of us come out at night on stuff like this. ::) ;;D

Although I found it hard to imagine the "three strokes" part, I left out when her Skye terrier dashed out from under her skirt after it happened while they were stripping her to sell parts, it had to be taken away, confused, after lapping at... oh nevermind.

And some electric chair accounts that could make you put down science fiction forever.

[smiley=mellow.gif]

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by pubgirl on Jan 15^th, 2007, 8:13pm

Did you know?

Elton John has just released a song in memory of Saddam Hussein. Its called "Dangle in the wind"

(sssorrrrreeeeeeeee :-[ :-[)

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by chewy on Jan 15^th, 2007, 8:25pm

Quote:

Lets face it. The Iraqi's are still on campfire building. Knot class is years away.

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by AussieBrian on Jan 15^th, 2007, 9:07pm

This may be more than you wanted to know on the subject but at least it doesn't show the pictures unless you ask -

http://www.richard.clark32.btinternet.co.uk/hanging1.html

Enjoy your dinner,

The Ghoul.

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 15^th, 2007, 9:52pm

That road up from London all the way to Scotland in the 1500's could be a wary way among the bands of rouges and the sometimes more gentlemanly town-dressed cutpurse, the sentence for stealing more than 12 pence was death.
Conveniently located in the Newark/Nottinghamshire (Helen's) area though was where... as was tradition at 63 London Road, Newark, bearing the name "Gallows Field".

fright night

Title: Re: Oooeeer! Saddam's brother decapitated!
Post by cootie on Jan 15^th, 2007, 11:09pm

Hmmmm......why don't they just noose em to a tree and kick em off a camel.....'Sir knight of the camel toe' Pam