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(Message started by: ax on Dec 31^st, 2006, 3:54am)

Title: Trolls...
Post by ax on Dec 31^st, 2006, 3:54am

Found this on a different message board. Thought it could be of use here....

Quote:

Internet Trolls

The characterising feature of trolling is the perception of intent to disrupt a community in some way. Inflammatory, sarcastic, disruptive or humorous content is posted, meant to draw other users into engaging the troll in a fruitless confrontation. The greater the reaction from the community the more likely the user is to troll again, as the person develops beliefs that certain actions achieve his/her goal to cause chaos. This gives rise to the often repeated protocol in Internet culture: "Do not feed the trolls."

Often, a person will post a sincere message about which he is emotionally sensitive. Skillful trolls know that an easy way to upset him is to falsely claim that he is a "troll." In forums where most users are similar to each other, outsiders may be perceived as trolls simply because they do not fit into the social norms of that group. It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between a user who merely has different values, views, or ideas, and a user who is intentionally trolling. This can lead to genuinely hostile behavior, including flame wars.
"Do not feed the trolls."

The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument . When appropriately applied to purposefully disruptive online behavior, the word troll economically converts an abstract code of online manners into a concrete image.

Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that may be incorrect. Regardless of the writer's motives, controversial posts are likely to attract a corrective or patronizing or outraged response by those who do not distinguish between real physical community (where people are actually exposed to some shared risk of bodily harm by their actions), and epistemic community (based on a mere exchange of words and ideas). Customs of discourse, or etiquette, originating in physical communities are often applied naively to online discourse by newcomers who are not used to the range of views expressed online, often anonymously. Hence, both users and posts are commonly, and sometimes inaccurately, labelled as trolls when their content upsets people — ironically, the accusatory labeling of a troll may be more disruptive than the original alleged offense itself. Also, people may be more inclined to use epithets like troll in online public discussion than they would be in person, because online forums may seem more impersonal.

There is a quote on IMDb which says that the common troll does not understand the words 'opinion' and 'leave', meaning that it feels it has superior opinions and will not quit until reaching its own trolling satisfaction. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding encourages a true troll to continue disruptive posts to that forum — hence the often-seen warning "Please do not feed the troll", for which PDNFTT is a common initialism. Posting this warning publicly, in reply to a troll's behavior to discourage further replies, may discourage the troll. However, it can also have the reverse effect, becoming itself food for the troll. Therefore, when a forum participant sees an apparently innocent answer to a troll as potential troll food, it may be more prudent to deliver the "Please do not feed the troll" warning in a private message to the answerer (e.g., by email, or PM).

An example of a successful troll is the well-known "Oh how I envy American students" USENET thread which had 3,000-odd follow-ups. A new USENET newsgroup, "alt.genius.bill-palmer", was created by Igor Chudov for the purpose of creating an outlet for discussing a controversial USENET personality, Bill Palmer, himself an alleged USENET troll who managed to make his personality the center of all discussions -- a characteristic that is common amongst attention-seeking trolls. A swirl of messages attempting to disprove his alleged status as genius, cross-posted to a wide variety of groups, made "a.g.b-p", the most popular new "alt.*" newsgroup of the year. Its creator was nominated for the "Troll of the Year 1996" award.

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by vietvet2tours on Jan 1^st, 2007, 10:16am

You might be?

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by ax on Jan 1^st, 2007, 3:36pm

Na

I just see a lot of folks get accused of being trolls here from dickheads like ?

hoping this would help clarify the definition to those who acuse. A little too deep for you I suppose.

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by Jonny on Jan 1^st, 2007, 4:28pm

Guest.....no surprise.....LOL ;;D

Any of you fuckers want to own up to being the dick behind the mask?

Didnt think so......Pu-ssy!!!!

Oh!....BTW....DJ has your ISP ;)

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by thebbz on Jan 1^st, 2007, 4:37pm

[smiley=huh.gif] What does this have to do with CH? >:(
Do they also have verbage for a guest troll? Do your stuff Jonny.
jb

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by vietvet2tours on Jan 1^st, 2007, 5:10pm

on 01/01/07 at 15:36:30, ax wrote:

Na

I just see a lot of folks get accused of being trolls here from dickheads like ?

hoping this would help clarify the definition to those who acuse. A little too deep for you I suppose.

Yep.Pretty deep for this ol cowpoke.

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by chewy on Jan 1^st, 2007, 5:12pm

"What happened to him?"

"Dont ax me, I dunno." 8)

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by seasonalboomer on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 2:42pm

instead of the perennial loaded question of "have you stopped beating your wife", ax's post was akin to having someone come in and say, "wifebeaters are bad people, they'll never stop beating their wives, but I stopped beating mine this morning."

geez.... what a wierd contribution.

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by Kevin_M on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 3:03pm

on 01/02/07 at 14:42:41, seasonalboomer wrote:

the perennial loaded question of "have you stopped beating your wife",

The reason it will always be that way is because in the English language, it is not possible to make an assumption by asking a question. This is the one prime example that is usually cited how it is incorrectly done, and can only be done for the sake of deception, which this expression exemplifies, usually stated as "when did you stop beating your wife?"

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by vietvet2tours on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 4:04pm

on 01/02/07 at 15:03:39, Kevin_M wrote:

Or eating shit sandwiches.Just another goof ball waiting in the wings

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by Charlie on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 6:29pm

http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/uhm.gif
Charlie

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by burnt-toast on Jan 3^rd, 2007, 8:44am

Make your point, defend your point, disagree and move on. Don't become a troll by feeding one. They're easy to identify.

They become extremely defensive to any response no matter how basic or informational

They respond with personnal shots to provoke responses that stray from the topic. The more ingredients in the soup the better their chances of keeping the pot boiling.

They mix apologies to some with additional personal shots at others

They find ways to disagree with everyone and everything without contributing new information

They always want the last word. Let them have it and they will soon seek a new bridge to hide under.

Tom

Title: Re: Trolls...
Post by imnotbub on Jan 3^rd, 2007, 10:00am

Trolls?
I like Trolls.........They taste good Bar-B-Qued with a touch of paprika and Adobo seasoning.

mmmmmmmmmmmm

Steve [smiley=smokin.gif]