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(Message started by: Paul98 on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:52pm)
Title: Global warming???
Post by Paul98 on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:52pm
PC hype or natural climatic cycle?

How do you digest the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png

http://www.agu.org/revgeophys/reid00/node2.html

Flo, I'd enjoy your take on this but all are welcome comment ;;D

-P.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 2:54pm
Jonny has already solved the cause, it's the friggin cows.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Shedz on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:06pm
More steak anyone?????????
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Jimi on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:27pm
Initially I thought PC hype. But after seeing a couple of specials and reading up on it from scientist out of the political realm, it appears to be a real phenomina.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by seasonalboomer on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:32pm
so, we start having warmer winters -- heating energy usage drops which drops the amount of CO2 suddenly and drastically -- (US energy use for heating this winter is down 25% this year alone). Then things get back on track.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Shedz on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:36pm
Warmer winters, yes , but more artic ice melt , Larson B ice shelf collapsed this year and the sea will continue to rise. More and more people will have to move inland as coastal regions are flooded!
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by vietvet2tours on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:43pm
Eat more beef please
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 3:50pm
Polar ice cap about gone by 2040. Scary stuff.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by seasonalboomer on Dec 19th, 2006, 4:00pm

on 12/19/06 at 15:36:11, Shedz wrote:
Warmer winters, yes , but more artic ice melt , Larson B ice shelf collapsed this year and the sea will continue to rise. More and more people will have to move inland as coastal regions are flooded!


that's "glass half empty" thinking.... restated that is, "as new coastal regions are created."..............

by the way, ice shelves have been falling off into the ocean for millions of years....
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by brewcrew on Dec 19th, 2006, 4:03pm

on 12/19/06 at 15:36:11, Shedz wrote:
Warmer winters, yes , but more artic ice melt , Larson B ice shelf collapsed this year and the sea will continue to rise. More and more people will have to move inland as coastal regions are flooded!

So?

Mankind is so egocentric that we truly believe that this is something significant - because it might show some amount of change within our lifetime.

We're talking about geologic time here, folks. This shit happens all the time - and when I say "all the time," I ask you to step outside your own shoes and look at the globe with your geologic glasses on. Over the course of thousands and thousands of years, oceans rise and fall. Land masses come and go. It rains, then it stops raining. It heats up, then it cools down.

To believe that mankind has any significant amount of control over it is pure hogwash.

Oops, I forgot - one more thing: THE SKY IS FALLING! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Shedz on Dec 19th, 2006, 4:04pm
Living by the coast kinda affects my thinking!!! [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Donna_D. on Dec 19th, 2006, 4:06pm
I blame heated thread discussions concerning politics/religion/immigration/global warming on public message boards.



;;D



DD
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 4:11pm

on 12/19/06 at 16:03:52, brewcrew wrote:
So?

Mankind is so egocentric that we truly believe that this is something significant - because it might show some amount of change within our lifetime.

We're talking about geologic time here, folks. This shit happens all the time - and when I say "all the time," I ask you to step outside your own shoes and look at the globe with your geologic glasses on. Over the course of thousands and thousands of years, oceans rise and fall. Land masses come and go. It rains, then it stops raining. It heats up, then it cools down.

To believe that mankind has any significant amount of control over it is pure hogwash.

Oops, I forgot - one more thing: THE SKY IS FALLING! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!



I once saw a show where the gentleman, a physist, drew a very long line. The line represented earths timeline from the very first organism to us, humans as we are now only took up about a quarter inch in this entire timeline. So I'm sure there has been many, many changes in climates. When was the last iceage??? Not to long ago I believe.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by brewcrew on Dec 19th, 2006, 4:16pm

on 12/19/06 at 16:06:14, Donna_D. wrote:
I blame heated thread discussions concerning politics/religion/immigration/global warming on public message boards.



;;D



DD

I blame Don.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Donna_D. on Dec 19th, 2006, 4:19pm

on 12/19/06 at 16:16:04, brewcrew wrote:
I blame Don.



Nope.  He is responsible for Ozone depletion....


....'cause he sucks, you know.



;;D


DD
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by JeffB on Dec 19th, 2006, 4:36pm
Brutal ;;D
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by BobG on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:20pm
If the globe is warming I sure wish it would hurry the hell up. It's colder than Hillary's thighs here.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Kevin_M on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:33pm
Paul's link, despite being from '91-'94, suggests a recent human influence.



Quote:
the climatic effects of solar variations are likely to be increasingly difficult to isolate in the future, as anthropogenic forcing becomes stronger.



Quote:
A high degree of correlation between surface temperatures and solar irradiance, or its proxies, can be expected only if solar variability has been the dominant source of climate change. This is probably not the case, especially in recent decades, when anthropogenic effects must have been making significant contributions.



Quote:
Schlesinger and Ramankutty [1992] in particular concluded that intercyclic variations in solar irradiance have probably been significant contributors, but that the dominant role has been played by increases in greenhouse gas emissions.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by LeLimey on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:40pm

on 12/19/06 at 17:33:48, Kevin_M wrote:
Paul's link, despite being from '91-'94, suggests a recent human influence.



Are you saying our Paul is past it?  ;)
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Kevin_M on Dec 19th, 2006, 5:49pm

on 12/19/06 at 17:40:41, LeLimey wrote:
Are you saying our Paul is past it?  ;)


If you asked him for the salt or potatoes, he'd past it.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Charlie on Dec 19th, 2006, 9:00pm
My response to this is to pay attention to those that heatedly insist that it's BS. It's always energy companies and businesses that depend on the current systems that do the most howling.

Oh yeah. I trust them.  ::)

Charlie
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Jonny on Dec 19th, 2006, 9:02pm
Cows!
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by AussieBrian on Dec 19th, 2006, 9:43pm
Bull!
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Opus on Dec 19th, 2006, 11:35pm

on 12/19/06 at 15:36:11, Shedz wrote:
Warmer winters, yes , but more artic ice melt , Larson B ice shelf collapsed this year and the sea will continue to rise. More and more people will have to move inland as coastal regions are flooded!


Unless we control magma fields how did man do that? The ice shelf collapsed because of under sea volcanoes (http://news.siu.edu/focalpoint/july2004/story6.html) Don't believe all the crap the environmentalists tell you. Wait for the science to find out what is going on. What is everyone going to do if a mega volcano melts Antarctica in a months time. Better head for high ground now and don't care how much CO2 ( Not carbon which is a black powder, not a gas) you throw into the air to do it.

Oh and by the way Ice has more volume than water that means any floating ice that melts may lower sea levels. Of course the same doesn't go for ice on land.



Paul
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by BikerBob on Dec 20th, 2006, 12:14am

on 12/19/06 at 23:35:50, Opus wrote:
Unless we control magma fields how did man do that?

Oh and by the way Ice has more volume than water that means any floating ice that melts may lower sea levels.

Paul


Hell causes global warming.

Is Hell exothermic or endothermic (gives off heat or absorbs heat)?

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can therefore project that all souls will go to Hell.

With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until "all Hell breaks loose".

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until "Hell freezes over".

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate given to me by Mary Ann, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you", and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.

The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct... leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Mary Ann kept shouting "Oh my God."
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by Paul98 on Dec 20th, 2006, 9:40am
Bob-


ROFLMAO!

-P.
Title: Re: Global warming???
Post by chewy on Dec 21st, 2006, 8:50am
Simple solution.

Cow Beano.


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