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Title: The Rape of Europe Post by tanner on Dec 4th, 2006, 4:40am The German author Henryk M. Broder recently told the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant (12 October) that young Europeans who love freedom, better emigrate. Europe as we know it will no longer exist 20 years from now. Whilst sitting on a terrace in Berlin, Broder pointed to the other customers and the passers-by and said melancholically: . . "We are watching the world of yesterday." Europe is turning Muslim. As Broder is sixty years old he is not going to emigrate himself. "I am too old," he said. However, he urged young people to get out and "move to Australia or New Zealand. That is the only option they have if they want to avoid the plagues that will turn the old continent uninhabitable." Many Germans and Dutch, apparently, did not wait for Broder's advice. The number of emigrants leaving the Netherlands and Germany has already surpassed the number of immigrants moving in. One does not have to be prophetic to predict, like Henryk Broder, that Europe is becoming Islamic. Just consider the demographics. The number of Muslims in contemporary Europe is estimated to be 50 million. It is expected to double in twenty years. By 2025, one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families. Today Mohammed is already the most popular name for new-born boys in Brussels, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and other major European cities. Broder is convinced that the Europeans are not willing to oppose Islamization. "The dominant ethos," he told De Volkskrant, "is perfectly voiced by the stupid blonde woman author with whom I recently debated. She said that it is sometimes better to let yourself be raped than to risk serious injuries while resisting. She said it is sometimes better to avoid fighting than run the risk of death." In a recent op-ed piece in the Brussels newspaper De Standaard (23 October) the Dutch (gay and self-declared "humanist") author Oscar Vanden Boogaard refers to Broder's interview. Van den Boogaard says that to him coping with the Islamization of Europe is like "a process of mourning." He is overwhelmed by a "feeling of sadness." "I am not a warrior," he says, "but who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it." As Tom Bethell wrote in this month's American Spectator: "Just at the most basic level of demography the secular-humanist option is not working." But there is more to it than the fact that non-religious people tend not to have as many children as religious people, because many of >them prefer to "enjoy" freedom rather than renounce it for the sake of children. Secularists, it seems to me, are also less keen on fighting. Since they do not believe in an afterlife, this life is the only thing >they have to lose. Hence they will rather accept submission than fight. Like the German feminist Broder referred to, they prefer to be raped than to resist. "If faith collapses, civilization goes with it," says Bethell. That is the real cause of the closing of civilization in Europe. Islamization is simply the consequence. The very word Islam means "submission" and the secularists have submitted already. Many Europeans have already become Muslims, though they do not realize it or do not want to admit it. Some of the people I meet in the U.S. are particularly worried about the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe. They are correct when they fear that anti-Semitism is also on the rise among non-immigrant Europeans. The latter hate people with a fighting spirit. Contemporary anti-Semitism in Europe (at least when coming from native Europeans) is related to anti-Americanism. People who are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight. They hate them because they are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives as well. In their view everyone must submit. This is why they have come to hate Israel and America so much, and the small band of European "Islamophobes" who dare to talk about what they see happening around them. West Europeans have to choose between submission (Islam) or death. I fear, like Broder, that they have chosen submission - just like in former days when they preferred to be red rather than dead. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by BarbaraD on Dec 4th, 2006, 7:02am That's scary. Shades of Hilter again..... |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Sean_C on Dec 4th, 2006, 7:48am If it happens here, then I choose death. Sean................................ |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by chewy on Dec 4th, 2006, 7:53am Quote:
Must be French. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Sean_C on Dec 4th, 2006, 7:58am on 12/04/06 at 07:53:35, chewy wrote:
LMAO definately ;;D |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 4th, 2006, 9:34am The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Please read the lies above and panic. Quote:
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Hmm - 2.4% Turkish, 1.9% Morroccan - most of that 4.3% is probably Islamic. Add a bit for other and maybe some of the Indians that aren't Hindu, and you have 5%. Behold the awesome power of the tiny minority, and tremble in your wooden clogs, ye Dutchmen!! If you look at the alarmist nonsense being circulated out there, Mohammed is supposedly also THE most popular name for boys in England! Except it isn't. Quote:
All this racist bulloney makes the science around global warming look like ... Science! And given the fact that much of the Netherlands is below sea level, the Dutch should spend more time worrying about losing their country to the sea. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Bob P on Dec 4th, 2006, 10:01am Leave it to Flo to turn a sectarian article into a racist article and disprove that the most popular name in a certain city is wrong by presenting the most popular names in a country. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by sandie99 on Dec 4th, 2006, 10:08am My friends, move to Finland. Around 80 percent of the population belong to the The Evangelical Lutheran Church in here. Knowing my fellow Finns, that will not change in a heartbeat. ;) Sanna |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by drivin_blind on Dec 4th, 2006, 10:50am Hmmm. Most common new names in U.S....Juan, Paublo, Ernesto........ |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Paul98 on Dec 4th, 2006, 11:19am "I am not a warrior," he says, "but who is? I have never learned to fight for my freedom. I was only good at enjoying it." What a sad piece of sheep! If you are not willing to fight for it, it will be taken away. -P. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 4th, 2006, 11:29am on 12/04/06 at 10:50:10, drivin_blind wrote:
Guess again - the Brown invasion hasn't progressed nearly as far as some people think - or maybe they are camoflauging their kids with names like Jacob and Joshua. Oops - forgot Bob's wagging finger. This isn't the least bit related to race. The discussion is purely sectarian, not racial. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by brewcrew on Dec 4th, 2006, 11:41am on 12/04/06 at 11:29:08, floridian wrote:
So many experts, so little interest.... The 2nd Revolution may not happen in my lifetime, nor in that of my son's, but it will happen. In the meantime, I practice my marksmanship. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 4th, 2006, 12:06pm There is no doubt that Europe will be mostly Muslim by as early as 2050. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by tanner on Dec 4th, 2006, 12:43pm Just trying to give you something to do Flo ;;D http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004879 .....Tim |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by LeeS on Dec 4th, 2006, 12:54pm Here's a quick quiz for you on such a lighthearted thread. No googling! ::) 1. What is the capital of Cardiff? 2. What type of passport is required to cross Hadrian’s Wall (both ways)? 3. Is Eire an island? 4. Does England have its own parliament? 5. Is Prince Harry gay? 6. At precisely what time does the first train leave in the morning (weekdays) from London Kings Cross to Rotterdam? 7. Did the ball go over the line during the world cup in 1966? 8. Can Scotland play football? 9. Who won the Ashes this year? 10. Is it my birthday today? Scores: 1-3: Well done 4-6: Superb 7-9: Absolutely marvellous 10: Europeans, Aussies and probably Flo ;;D -Lee Edited to get the score band right ::) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by LeLimey on Dec 4th, 2006, 1:13pm Oh good grief, he's been watching "University Challenge" again and has gone all pseudo intellectual ::) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Kevin_M on Dec 4th, 2006, 1:30pm First article on 12/04/06 at 04:40:44, tanner wrote:
Second, op ed link: on 12/04/06 at 12:43:51, tanner wrote:
From link above: Today, 15 million Muslims make their home in the European Union. Difference of opinions |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 4th, 2006, 2:09pm on 12/04/06 at 12:54:14, LeeS wrote:
I'm merely superb - unless it's your birthday today. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 4th, 2006, 2:23pm on 12/04/06 at 12:06:33, JeffB wrote:
Airforce Magazine has a somewhat different view: "Incredible as it might seem, some experts predict that Europe will have an Islamic majority sometime well before the end of this century. ... Some perspective is in order. Fear that a Muslim flood is about to overwhelm the Continent has long been a theme of fringe political activists and polemicists in Europe. It is anything but inevitable; today’s population trends might shift dramatically, and the dire predictions of the death of Western civilization could well prove unfounded." **************************************** If the world population continues to expand at its current rate, it is a mathematical certainty that the entire universe will be packed solid with humans in little more than a thousand years. We are running out of space!! |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by boybath on Dec 4th, 2006, 3:28pm As a ........ I hate to say it European........ alot of Muslims infact the vast majority are like me, you, jew, sihk, or hindu. Just ordianary people with a strong beleif in their own version of god. Now dont get me wrong I do beleive that most muslims are not terrorists but a lot of terrorists are muslim. But America has there own history of terrorism the KKK far right extremist groups and a shit load more. you just have to get it in to perspective and live and let live. As long as your own rights are not compromised. The thing that does most harm and recruits the fundamentalist is the inward looking redneck attitude that says our way is right and yours wrong. loking from the outside I would say both the US and Muslim states have their fair problems with this point of you. PS Ive served in the Gulf so if your gonna give me greif let me know you do it from a point of knowledge and not fundamental ignorance |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by alienspacebabe on Dec 4th, 2006, 3:37pm on 12/04/06 at 10:01:10, Bob P wrote:
Don't you hate it when people use verifiable statistics like this? ;;D |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Bob P on Dec 4th, 2006, 4:16pm Quote:
.....Minnesota Democrat Keith Ellison, the first Muslim..... Hmmm, a Muslim named Keith, go figure. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 4th, 2006, 5:37pm on 12/04/06 at 16:16:03, Bob P wrote:
What's to figure? He was given the name at birth by non-Muslim parents, and later converted. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 4th, 2006, 5:39pm This is going to be a scary world in a few decades, enjoy it, Flo. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Charlie on Dec 5th, 2006, 4:22pm Quote:
Faith is definitely the problem. Too much. I have serious doubts of a reverse crusades. It's been tried before. On the other hand. Islam is a different animal. There really is no separation of church and state. It's part of government which makes it a true horror. I'm still waiting for the large and vocal response from all the Muslims that profess that they are not part of the radicals. They seem a tad quiet to me. The not so quiet types want us dead though. We have to deal with them. It's not going to get easier soon. It makes you long for the days when Europeans could scare the shit out of this part of the world with a gunboat or two. It's time for us to make oil not all that exciting as an export. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by brewcrew on Dec 5th, 2006, 4:32pm on 12/04/06 at 17:39:35, JeffB wrote:
You've hit on quite a truth, Jeff - If we don't do something different, the barbarians that will be running around the globe will be just as happy to slit Flo's throat as they will yours or mine. Flo will most likely be a little more understanding and compassionate about it, though. In my book, we'd all just be dead. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Charlie on Dec 5th, 2006, 5:46pm Quote:
Don't overdo kids. I bet Flo is a realist too..... These are dangerous people and the biggest mistake we can make is to drop our guard, even a little. I'd like to think otherwise but this has to be treated carefully, but very forcefully. The idiots....at least I hope they were just idiots....on that plane the other day were handled well, I thought. You just don't do what they did in this climate.....that this bunch created...you have to remember that. So long as we treat ourselves well, I have no problem for the time being with profiling. They do it anyway. We have to use our heads is all. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 5th, 2006, 5:56pm It's the relaxed attitudes of people that gets me going these days. Even if our borders were over run and bombs and attacks were taking place across the country, there will be folks (Americans) with grins on their faces. Screw dialogue with these extremists, lets just throw the gloves off and get this party started. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Sean_C on Dec 5th, 2006, 8:50pm on 12/05/06 at 17:56:02, JeffB wrote:
I like that attitude ;;D ;;D ;;D |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Dec 5th, 2006, 9:58pm on 12/05/06 at 17:56:02, JeffB wrote:
I hear ya, bro. I think we need to teach those radicals a lesson in democracy. Other countries or groups should do exactly what the USA says or we r gonna FUCK THEM UP!!! Fuck those extremists, huh? |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by chewy on Dec 5th, 2006, 10:00pm Quote:
How old are you B$. Around 14 or 15 ? |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Dec 5th, 2006, 10:09pm on 12/05/06 at 22:00:46, chewy wrote:
I'm this many [smiley=finger.gif] |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by chewy on Dec 5th, 2006, 10:12pm Pathetic |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Dec 5th, 2006, 10:16pm Yes, I hear you. You are quite pathetic. If you are lookin for 14 and 15 year olds, I heard there are some over at NAMBLA.com |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by chewy on Dec 5th, 2006, 10:24pm Grow up little man. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Dec 5th, 2006, 10:30pm on 12/05/06 at 22:24:00, chewy wrote:
I already told you, Trollboy, i am not a minor. You'll have to troll for love elsewhere. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by chewy on Dec 5th, 2006, 11:07pm Your an amusing little fella. But thats about it. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Dec 5th, 2006, 11:35pm I am glad you are amused. In all seriousness, though, joking aside: You're a fuckin troll. Now go sink another boat, bitch. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by chewy on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:36am Phew! Ya sure got me there. What next? Sticks and stones...............? |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 6th, 2006, 8:41am on 12/05/06 at 17:56:02, JeffB wrote:
It's the relaxed attitude of Americans towards our Constitution that bothers me. Like the talk-radio buzzards and religious nut wings that were worked up when they heard that someone was going to be sworn into Congress with their hand on a Koran (which was a bogus rumor to start with - Congressional swearing in ceremonies have never involved anyone putting their hand on any religious scripture). All of the sudden, millions of religious crazies are demanding a law requiring otherwise free Americans to swear allegiance using their scripture. As if the words "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" had no meaning. The primary purpose of terrorism is to psychologically intimidate the enemy - so please don't confuse the fact that I am not intimidated with a relaxed attitude. I'm all for going after the terrorists (as we sorta did in Afghanistan). But I am not scared shirtless and willing to support all manner of delusionary schemes that will only weaken America and play into the terrorists hands, as we have done in Iraq. The terrorists don't have to win for America to lose. If they can scare enough of us, we will destroy our freedoms ourselves. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 6th, 2006, 11:03am I'm not confusing shit, Flo. But I am glad to see you would be there holding the door open for these nuts. And if you think I was refering to you as someone who would be smiling when we get hit again, you would be right. ;) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 6th, 2006, 11:10am on 12/06/06 at 11:03:50, JeffB wrote:
Your a scum sucker if you are accusing me of smiling when America gets hit by terrorists. You sure as hell don't understand me, and you also seem incapable of understanding the rest of the world. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by brewcrew on Dec 6th, 2006, 11:11am on 12/06/06 at 08:41:52, floridian wrote:
And don't forget killing infidels. P.S. - The term is "wing nuts," not "nut wings." I think you can get those at KFC. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 6th, 2006, 11:15am I do not suck scum. Just for the record! ;;D |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 6th, 2006, 11:16am on 12/06/06 at 11:11:28, brewcrew wrote:
Now your making me hungry. Some of them do want to kill infidels (or children in day care centers in Oklahoma City). But in general, the purpose of terrorism is to inspire terror. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by boybath on Dec 6th, 2006, 3:16pm Flo talks alot of reasonable sense he seems by no means a pacafist. He seems to realise that by walking around in the play ground saying Im the biggest kid you better do as I say will win you neither friends nor influence. And that is unfortunately how a large percentage of the world veiw's you, as a nation. Which is unfortunate but is due to the manner you portray your beliefs. Many of the people just dont seem to get it. You have as many religious extremists as the next muslim country this difference is its your religion so its not extremism. One small point that was raised before the slagging I still await the comdemnation of the muslim majority for what the minority do in their religions name maybe its the previous point that prevents them voicing their disaproval. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by brewcrew on Dec 6th, 2006, 4:04pm on 12/06/06 at 15:16:24, boybath wrote:
I defy you to back that up with some statistics. You will not be able to. This statement isn't even close to being correct. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Jonny on Dec 6th, 2006, 4:34pm on 12/06/06 at 16:04:51, brewcrew wrote:
Shhhh, as I type, Flo is researching this to once again flog his country.....LMAO ;;D |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 6th, 2006, 5:45pm on 12/06/06 at 15:16:24, boybath wrote:
You may be right boy bath (and I can't believe I just said boy bath), but we still have an identidy,which imo the U.K. is losing just as fast as most of Europe. We doll out a lot of our tax dollars to these same countries that talks crap about us and I do believe we deserve more respect than we're getting. I hate to say it my friend, but how many terrorist homes has the U.S. invaded compared to your country. I hope you never forget Madrid, Spain. Hope you guys enjoy the new Nuclear Subs we're building for you! ;) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Yorky on Dec 6th, 2006, 5:49pm CALM DOWN YOU LOT . |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Jonny on Dec 6th, 2006, 5:55pm on 12/06/06 at 17:49:16, Yorky wrote:
I ditto that......this aint about the US vs England! Back to your corners! 8) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Yorky on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:00pm on 12/06/06 at 17:55:36, Jonny wrote:
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:08pm It's called Football, Yorky!!!!!!!! ;;D [smiley=laugh.gif] |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Yorky on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:20pm on 12/06/06 at 18:08:56, JeffB wrote:
soccer/football. ps. sorry for any spelling mistake's, having problem's seeing my monitor (it's this muslim veil that we have to wear by law..in europe) ha, ha ,ha |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:22pm [smiley=laugh.gif] Is that a bomb strapped in your pants or are you just happy to see me> ;;D |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:35pm on 12/06/06 at 16:34:46, Jonny wrote:
Good guess, but wrong-o! :) The number of extremists is somewhat higher (in my estimation) among muslims than Christians. Depending on how you define extremists. Both religions are infected with morons, idiots, hate-mongers, the intolerant, people with halitosis... although most religious people are pretty ordinary and harmless regardless of which religion they are in. America was hit by 19 extremists on 9-11, and by who knows how many Christian mini-Mcveighs that bombed women's health clinics, along with a campaign of threatening, harrassing, and killing health care workers. Not sure if the home-grown Christian terrorists were more 'humane' because they limited their violence somewhat, or if they were simply less effective in their desire to harm and terrorize. And how about that Fred guy and his protests against soldiers that defend gay America? Not so many of those Christian wackos, but they sure do get people's blood pressure up. I personally think that the worst extremists in this country operate under ideologies based on power or money. Take the recent Vioxx massacre of between 25,000 and 50,000 of our fellow countrymen. They hid medical information about the danger of their product so they could make a bit more money. And the response from this society and government was underwhelming. You can kill 10 or 20 times more American citizens than Al Qaeda did, and get away with it!! Because it was subtle, and the masses dont understand subtle. It won't trigger any speeches from the White House, no mobilization to protect the public, no hysteria. None of the masterminds were sent to Gitmo for an indefinite vacation, no Predator drones made special deliveries to the Merck offices where the evil doers congregate. Just pretend that it didn't really happen, won't happen again. I guess that an American life is worth more if it is destroyed by some one who doesnt' share our cultural identity. :-/ |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Jonny on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:51pm See, I told you! ::) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Paul98 on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:53pm Why stop there Flo? Heck, Vioxx ain't nothing compared to those automobiles. The manufactures know they can be dangerous, so using your logic, GM, Ford, Toyota, and the lot are just as guilty as forign terrorists. -P. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 6th, 2006, 8:05pm on 12/06/06 at 18:53:08, Paul98 wrote:
You mean abusing my logic. Eat at Joe's Restaurant. Good food, good prices. Joe doesn't like to waste food, so he occasionally serves stuff that has spoiled. Hey, you gotta eat! And he blends it with the other stuff so you barely notice it. There is a moral distinction between producing a product that carries a known risk, and producing a product that you know is killing people because it is defective. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Sean_C on Dec 6th, 2006, 8:08pm on 12/06/06 at 20:05:23, floridian wrote:
LOL there's probably more truth to that than we want to know ;;D Stay away from the chili at Joes, trust me ;;D |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Jonny on Dec 6th, 2006, 8:15pm on 12/06/06 at 20:05:23, floridian wrote:
Yep, lets bash Joe just as we would with terrorist flying planes into buildings....LOL.....thats fucked up thinking, Flo....big time!! |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 6th, 2006, 8:53pm on 12/06/06 at 20:15:15, Jonny wrote:
No, your a fucking moron unable to understand a metaphor. In the case of vioxx, Merck knowingly manipulated and concealed data that showed their product was killing people. Tens of thousands of them. If they had been honest, the government would have pulled it off the market. So Merck lied and conspired to keep their product on the market. No different from the asbestos companies - employing workers with full knowledge that asbestos would kill or injure thousands of them, actively concealing the risks from the workers, publishing bogus information that asbestos was not really a risk, and refusing to provide reasonable protective equipment because that was seen as an added cost and a drain on productivity. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by AussieBrian on Dec 6th, 2006, 9:01pm on 12/06/06 at 18:08:56, JeffB wrote:
It's called soccer here in Oz while 'football' is either of two other codes depending where you live. We refer to American football as gridiron which I believe isn't used in the States. We now return you to your regular slanging match. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Jonny on Dec 6th, 2006, 9:20pm on 12/06/06 at 20:53:17, floridian wrote:
Sorry, Flo..........your right, im not that smart :'( |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by vig on Dec 6th, 2006, 9:36pm alright you two... If I have to stop this car...! ;;D and bravo to the public expression of ideas |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by chewy on Dec 6th, 2006, 10:22pm Quote:
Not to mention that little incident back in the 1700s. 8) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Charlie on Dec 7th, 2006, 1:51am It's been a tough day in Washington for Bush and his history-ignoring bunch which means that it's also hard on us. Sigh..... So it turns out that if we start to excit Iraq and leave behind advisors...things will be hunkydory. Nothing like leaving behind a...trained I guess...Iraqi army and police force and expect them to succeed where the U. S. Army couldn't. I don't think I'd want to be in a Baghdad hotel room when that starts. This will be underway soon because Republicans are terrified that this shit might be going on in 2008. Politics leads of course. As I've said here, I'm convinced that this is serious stuff but I'm more concerned that the Coast Guard has been beefing up firepower on Lake Ontario and Lake Erie. This is embarrassing too. Oliver Hazzard Perry fought the battle of Lake Erie nearly 200 years ago. The idea that it will take often cost-prohibitive passports so your family can come back after visiting Niagara Falls or after attending a Bluejays or Mapleleafs game is even sadder. It's paranoia. I'm all for keeping our eyes open so long as we don't make life unbearble for ourselves. Terrorism has never been ultimately successful. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 7th, 2006, 7:20am on 12/06/06 at 21:20:12, Jonny wrote:
And your an not a very nice person and verbal bully. Let me further "run down America" by suggesting not only that the death of hundreds of thousands of people has been cowardly ignored, but that too much time was spent on OJ and Lacy Peterson! Tragedies to be sure, but the attention they got was completely out of proportion. Because in your mind you can criticize anything you like in America (the courts, the education system, the media, stupid behavior, etc. etc) without critizing America, but when the other side does it, you are quick to paint them as Anti-American. Guess what Jonny Boy? You don't own the country, you don't own the idea of patriotism, and the bullying tactics that you and thousands of other yellow keyboarders have used for the last decade no longer work. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by jimmers on Dec 7th, 2006, 9:25am Which hundreds of thousands are you refering to? Just wondering. jimmers |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by brewcrew on Dec 7th, 2006, 10:15am The state of being contrary is like vitamins to some people. Sorry, a random thought just flew out of my yellow keyboard. Lord, I apologize. That there just ain't right. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 7th, 2006, 11:12am This has gotten way to personal. I may not agree with everything that is said but I do respect others opinions. Even yours, Flo. There is no doubt that you are an intelligent person and I have agreed with a lot of things that you have posted. But really dude, stick to your guns but enough with the name calling. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Kevin_M on Dec 7th, 2006, 12:02pm on 12/07/06 at 11:12:09, JeffB wrote:
Jeff, While being agreeable with the direction you've asserted, previous assumptions about character can be equally disconcerting to read. There is calling someone something without naming it. on 12/06/06 at 11:03:50, JeffB wrote:
And when others join in with the insinuation on character, I would not expect any less than a strongly adverse reaction. Personally, if this were Dec. 7th, 1941, I'd see Flo volunteering to man the first radar station he could, as well as being concerned with the Japanese population within the U.S. So I would differ on the posted opinions. I've seen attempts at rational stances from the chosen information hasn't succeeded in bringing people I know who are of good faith to agreement on issues. I'd allow, and even encourage people to draw diverse conclusions from an ethical community. Thanks Jeff for bouncing the ball back to mutual respect here. Quote:
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 7th, 2006, 12:10pm Well said, Kevin. How about responding to Tanners thread regarding a fallen hero. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Charlie on Dec 7th, 2006, 1:31pm Quote:
Absolutely. Vitamins are exactly what are being sold to people that are glued to reality television. News is secondary to selling limp pecker pills and terlit cleanser.....unless it becomes as profitalble as endless California kidnapping stories and teacher-student sex trials. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/remote.gif Howard Beal's rant from "Network" has come to pass. In one of his rambling speeches, he warned that we should beware if huge corporate conglomerates take over networks. He said: "Who knows what kind of shit we would be fed as news." Well, here we are. Pop your pills and swill your bottled water while watching Idaho car chases. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/TVsnack.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by imnotbub on Dec 7th, 2006, 2:56pm Reading this has worn me out. Steve |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by BikerBob on Dec 7th, 2006, 3:08pm on 12/07/06 at 12:10:40, JeffB wrote:
Trying to change the subject again? There's a HUGE difference between supporting the troops and supporting the failed policies of the most stupid and dishonest President in the history of the USA. Lance Cpl. James R. Davenport's blood isn't on the hands of Al-Queda or "the muslims". It's on the hands of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld who wrongfully sent him there in the first place, then fucked up the war to the point where it's unwinnable. Quote:
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Jonny on Dec 7th, 2006, 4:11pm on 12/07/06 at 15:08:26, BikerBob wrote:
You really should do something about the self hating problem you have, Bob ;;D Don't worry, the folks here will always love you :-* BTW, try changing the way you sign your posts, we already have a "BB" here ;) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 7th, 2006, 4:20pm on 12/07/06 at 15:08:26, BikerBob wrote:
Figures, you're from the city. If I want your opinion I'll fucking give it to you. ;) Besides, I don't know who the hell you are and I don't think I've ever replied to anything you have to say. But keep your insults to your moped riding biker self. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by deltadarlin on Dec 7th, 2006, 5:34pm ENOUGH! Back it up and retreat to your respective corners. It you can't be civil, either back out of the thread or take it to pm. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by boybath on Dec 8th, 2006, 7:12am Theres some good thought here and although this gets a bit personal its gotta be better than watching reality TV even if it does get a bit heated. As for supporting the troops fine ........gets my vote every time ....hey I was one. But you gota appreciate having a president who if his IQ dropped one more point would need watering twice daily is not a smart move. and I certainly didnt elect him but fair dues my PM is a muppet aswell. The thing is trying to bomb people out of existance does nt work ask the Isralies. there will always be another one you have to think of a plan B. Cause as pointed out 19 nuts caused 9/11 and there will always be 19 nuts some where infact a million of so nuts somewhere so you are not gonna killem all. remember I live in a country that has been bombed for over 30 years. Ive spent my whole life being a target of the IRA / barda mein hoff / red brigade what ever comes next, as a serviceman son of a serviceman brother of a serviceman. I spent my childhood growing up waiting to find out if my big brother was gonna get blown up by the bombs he was aspecialist in difussing. Some ........ not all of that paid for by the money collected on St patricks day in NY a few yards from where they crashed the plane. So some of what i hear from you guys I do find a bit rich especially as our country is supposed to be an ally. I guess what im saying you have to appreciate as a nation what you do and say has a profound effect on others especially when you have a leader like Fozzie bear and at the moment a large number of people in the world dont like the USA ( I however count it as our clossest ally) comments please |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by brewcrew on Dec 8th, 2006, 7:30am on 12/08/06 at 07:12:22, boybath wrote:
It almost seems as though you're content to sit idly by and allow it to happen. Quote:
I can live with that. Never was much for popularity contests. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by tanner on Dec 8th, 2006, 8:04am Biker Bob, This morning as I get ready to head down to help this family and surround them with flags should the wacko extremists show as they have stated I am not going to get nasty or riled up. I will only say that your response regarding Lance Cpl. Davenport disappoints me to the utmost. I consider your words to be a slap in the face to every man and woman who has served their country since WW2. I don't know how old you are but if you are old enough and lived in San Francisco in 72 then you were probably one of the fine citizens that spit on me when I came home. Thanks Bro.......Tim |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by boybath on Dec 8th, 2006, 8:20am Brew I refer to my learned colleague to the answer given by Biker Bob about respect. Do you think it was entirly the fact that the same people who passed round the bucket on St Paddys day were perhaps and sadly the biggest victim of the 9/11 tradgedy. my gues and it it is only a guess is that its hard to blindly support terrorism when you have friends and family killed by terrorism. that is the point when they were all talking machoism and trying to meet fire with fire we just recruited more. when their funding stopped they came to the table to talk. we would have like to have got our hands onb a few more of the terrorists but YOUR country wouldnt extradite them even when they killed pregnant women and children. we are now at the peace table we have a chance you are not at the peace table. bush and Blair have made a bad situation even worse (Iraq) and by the looks of your own cross party commitee go hand in cap to the biggest threat to stability in the Middle East Iran to ask them to sort the sh1t out cause if they dont they will have a new Afganistan that will be the next Mecca for muslim terrorists. give me the logic not the bull i differ from tanner but he has my respect since he has served and put his money where his mouth is as have I |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Bob P on Dec 8th, 2006, 9:52am Quote:
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by brewcrew on Dec 8th, 2006, 9:57am on 12/08/06 at 08:20:54, boybath wrote:
For the time being I am going to go forward with the assumption that you are a cluster headache sufferer, and because of that fact alone I will call you my brother. As to the rest, I am at a loss. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob has deemed that every man is entitled to his opinion, and you belong to that group. I thank you for your service, but I disagree with your position. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by boybath on Dec 8th, 2006, 11:15am sorry you are right to your veiw and that was pompous but it was very inflamatory to suggest we werent trying to do anything about the terrorism when we had freinds dying over there. i think what Im trying to say is before we say things try thinking who you would veiw it if you were in the receipients s shoes |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by brewcrew on Dec 8th, 2006, 11:29am All the diplomatic pleasantries aside, I still don't give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about the USA. When you are doing what you believe is right (i.e., not knuckling under to Islamic fascists), you damn the torpedos and maintain your course. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jesus wasn't real popular in his day either. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Charlie on Dec 8th, 2006, 4:50pm We're just stuck now. We can't just walk away but we do need to be creative. Beats me what to do. Our seemingly history deficient leaders have turned a war amongst a civilization into a clash of civilizations. I believe that this mess isn't necessarily a result of 9/11....it was an excuse to implement some ideas from Wolfowitz and others dating back to Bush 1st. I thought daddy was a decent sort. He was careful. I blame a lot of this on the end of the cold war. It has made things a bit fuzzy when it comes to maintaining the kind of military with which we are comfortable and probably need anyway. Sigh..... http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/forhead hit.gif Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 8th, 2006, 4:56pm It's kind of ironic, the world seemed safer during the cold war. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Charlie on Dec 8th, 2006, 5:44pm Quote:
Absolutely but then we were dealing with rational, if not much fun, people most of the time. Charlie http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/ha ha gun.gif |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by andrewjb on Dec 9th, 2006, 8:11am :). john lennon said, "give peace a chance". as adults living in a political world, i find it bazaar, that a theoretical ideal is defended by such violence. politics, should be, "by the people, for the people". not by self satisfying conglomerates. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by brewcrew on Dec 11th, 2006, 3:22pm Just like it takes two to tango, it takes both sides to "give peace a chance." If you think islamofascists are interested in peace, you are gravely mistaken. The only thing they're interested in is waiting for their enemy to let its guard down. It doesn't matter to them whose throats they slit, whether it's pacifists or soldiers. We're all infidels to them. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 11th, 2006, 4:06pm on 12/08/06 at 16:56:30, JeffB wrote:
You mean the Cuban Missile Crisis was the good ole days?? |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 11th, 2006, 4:23pm Sure, Flo. At least we knew who our enemies were. They didn't shoot at us and then run and hide in some friggin mosque. Our enemies today could look like just about anyone on a New York subway, hell, they could even be on a message board somewhere typing a load of shit putting our country down. ;) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 11th, 2006, 4:41pm Knew who our enemies were? We had far more fear than understanding. I remember having a speaker at our school assembly who talked about how the Russians wanted to shoot our parents, take our TVs, and enslave us kids to clean houses in the USSR. That makes today's hysteria seem a bit tamer. Turns out the Russians weren't quite the minions of Satan they were made out to be. And with our proxy war in Vietnam, it was a common complaint that we had no idea who the enemy was. Quote:
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 11th, 2006, 5:02pm on 12/11/06 at 16:41:54, floridian wrote:
Wow, what a speaker to have. I never felt or heard the Russians wanted to inslave us. But I did get to grow up on Airforce bases around the world surrounded by B-52's and lots of other aircraft and I slept just fine at night. IMO, since the fall of the USSR, we now have a vastly different world and new adversaries that, again, in my judgement made the Soviets look like boy scouts. These are brutal people that want to KILL anyone who doesn't share their beliefs. They are fucking still in the stone age and want the world to do shit their way or face death. We can either kill them where they stand or kill them on our streets. I think we're too soft with these punks and need another couple hundred thousand to do the job right! |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 11th, 2006, 5:24pm Since we're already over there, we should be battle test and perfect our weapons like this one. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8806f33e2e |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Jonny on Dec 11th, 2006, 5:44pm They are learning to adapt, Jeff......running fast....LOL ;;D http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3421b6d819 |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by JeffB on Dec 11th, 2006, 6:23pm The guys in my office are rolling dude. Too funny. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by andrewjb on Dec 11th, 2006, 10:44pm on 12/11/06 at 17:24:38, JeffB wrote:
then what ? let them have it ! ? better yet sell it to another, then there are more reasons to keep the war machine going, sucking up the tax revenue ! |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Maffumatt on Dec 11th, 2006, 10:58pm If the Europeans would get off their asses and make some babies they wouldn't be in this predicament. Wouldn't have the labor shortage or the immigration problems. Accept your fate, adapt or die. Buy a rug. |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Charlie on Dec 12th, 2006, 3:46am Interesting direction this is taking. Here's my contribution: In the early fifties we were scared in elementary school because we had air raid drills every other week. Civil Defense was big and tv was full of spots for it and examples of how to survive an attack. It would show up after cartoons too. In the late fifties, MacCarthy was gone and Stallin was dead for several years. Khruschev was a blowhard but I believe he knew just how dangerous we were too. At least these people read the same stuff we did and liked to have a little fun. Life for them wasn't something to be discarded so easily. They were on the same page. The missle crisis: This was 1962 and in my town, anyway, no one ran for the hills or hid in the cellar that I knew of. It was unsettling but it was a time when you had more faith in what you heard on TV. You believed Kennedy. There was a kind of Orson Welles 1938 "War Of the Worlds" feel to it. My parents said they knew of no one anywhere that panicked at that broadcast; mostly, the same for the missle crisis. The real panic was on tv. I and my friends were glued to it...especially watching as the Navy actually turned around the cargo ships. It was something and the immeciate aftermath had a 9/11 kind of everbody pulling together effect. Just some observations. Charlie |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 12th, 2006, 8:45am on 12/11/06 at 22:58:27, Maffumatt wrote:
We just had two rooms tiled, and are looking at rugs. I am leaning towards the Scrabble rug. http://www.samtimer.com/images/pic-rug-ri.jpg |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Maffumatt on Dec 12th, 2006, 8:53am Twister would be more fun........... http://g2007.com/wef/twister.jpg |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 12th, 2006, 8:55am on 12/12/06 at 08:53:17, Maffumatt wrote:
Ooh, twister. Break out the Partridge Family 8-tracks!! |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by Redd715 on Dec 12th, 2006, 8:58am on 12/12/06 at 08:55:25, floridian wrote:
and the baby oil.... (did I just say that?) ::) |
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Title: Re: The Rape of Europe Post by floridian on Dec 12th, 2006, 9:02am Baby oil? What in the world would you use that for? Does it make the Crisco slipperier? |
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