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(Message started by: seasonalboomer on Nov 9^th, 2006, 9:30am)

Title: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by seasonalboomer on Nov 9^th, 2006, 9:30am

This one tickled me today.... Ted Haggard, former evangelical leader, is going to be involved in an immersion recovery program through the Colorado Springs christian evangelical group, Focus on the Family.

The VP of Focus on the Family left this wonderful morsel in an interview regarding the "recovery" program Haggard will be going through:

""I see success approximately 50 percent of the time," said H.B. London, vice president for church and clergy at Focus on the Family, the conservative Christian ministry in Colorado Springs. "Guys just wear out and they can no longer subject themselves to the process."
Those who fail "end up selling cars or shoes or something, and being miserable and angry the rest of their lives," London said."

What a gem, and what a wonderful feeling that those of us involved in the business of selling something other than, I guess, Jesus, can have about how the right feels about normal citizens, engaged in normal jobs.

Scott

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by john_d on Nov 9^th, 2006, 9:44am

He has been watching too much 'Married with Children' ;;D

http://www.al-bundy.info/images/fotos/al/al_figur1.jpg

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 9^th, 2006, 9:53am

I hear ya.
This guy is a real piece of shit. Years of bashing gays and bashing drug users in the name of the lord, and now it turns out he likes to hire gay prostitutes and smoke meth while getting it in the ass.
Now, lemme guess, all he has to do is repent?

This gacked out tubesteak smuggler should be executed.......in the name of the lord. He should be executed for lying and cheating in the name of the lord.

Lying and cheating is not an executable offense, but lying and cheating in the name of the lord should be. Look at this subhuman!! This guy became a millionaire due to his hatred of gays, and he used that money to pay one or more male prostitutes for gay sex.

It doesnt get more ironic than that. You think this guy was praying while he was tweeked out, bent over the hotel room sink taking it up the ass?

B$

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by thomas on Nov 9^th, 2006, 11:04am

on 11/09/06 at 09:53:30, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:

You should raise a stink about the liars and cheaters that effect YOUR life, namely our elected officials. This guy is not worth your time or anger. Put it to good use on those more deserving.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by seasonalboomer on Nov 9^th, 2006, 11:12am

on 11/09/06 at 11:04:20, thomas wrote:

You should raise a stink about the liars and cheaters that effect YOUR life, namely our elected officials. This guy is not worth your time or anger. Put it to good use on those more deserving.

The problem with that idea for me is that this guy was one of the nation's leading evangelical leaders -- spending a lot of time influencing our elected officials to waste their time on non-issues like gay marriage. Poseurs such as this guy, with their petty and neurotic paranoia about gays and abortion distracted too much attention in our country from that which we should truly be worried about.

You're right, the anger should be directed at the elected officials who cowtowed to twisted idiots such as this one.

Scott

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by thomas on Nov 9^th, 2006, 11:17am

on 11/09/06 at 11:12:50, seasonalboomer wrote:

I never even heard of the guy until he got busted.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 9^th, 2006, 11:24am

on 11/09/06 at 11:04:20, thomas wrote:

You should raise a stink about the liars and cheaters that effect YOUR life, namely our elected officials. This guy is not worth your time or anger. Put it to good use on those more deserving.

True, Bro, and good point. I made an effort to vote on all of my local officials and state measures.
I disagree, though, that this person (or way of life) is not worth my anger. This is one of the leaders that has been preaching (no pun intended) a certain way of life. This person, this leader, is a complete false, a fraud. This leader specifically and intentionally broke at least 5 of the 10 'rules' for living. This person degraded gay people and said hurtful things about them, however, it turns out this guy not only likes gay sex, he first smokes meth with his prostitute gay sex partner so that he can get his ass pounded for an extra long time.

Thats fucked up, and it pisses me off that so many people hide behind god and use god. I dont even believe in god and it pisses me off. I cant imagine how someone would feel if they were religious.

B$

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by JeffB on Nov 9^th, 2006, 11:25am

I really don't give a shit about this guy. He's just another religous fanatic that gat cought doing something he supposedly was against.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by vig on Nov 9^th, 2006, 11:30am

anybody remember Jim Bakker?
...frolicking in the hot tub?

hypocrisy is mighty distasteful coming from the high and mighty.
Just like the Catholic Priest abuse stories.

Did they forget the CHristian lesson of humility?

hell yes.

...that's why I can't take things on faith anymore.

"The Rev. Ted Haggard has been fired amid allegations of gay sex and drug use, but the evangelical leader can still be seen at the height of his powers _ preaching to thousands and condemning homosexuality _ in the documentary "Jesus Camp."

In one scene of the film, which follows a group of children as they develop evangelical Christian beliefs, directors Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady visit Haggard's 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo. He tells the vast audience, "We don't have to debate about what we should think about homosexual activity. It's written in the Bible."

Then Haggard looks into the camera and says kiddingly: "I think I know what you did last night," drawing laughs from the crowd. "If you send me a thousand dollars, I won't tell your wife."

Later, another joke for the filmmakers: "If you use any of this, I'll sue you." "

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 9^th, 2006, 11:43am

on 11/09/06 at 09:30:15, seasonalboomer wrote:

The VP of Focus on the Family left this wonderful morsel in an interview regarding the "recovery" program Haggard will be going through:

""I see success approximately 50 percent of the time," said H.B. London, vice president for church and clergy at Focus on the Family, the conservative Christian ministry in Colorado Springs. "Guys just wear out and they can no longer subject themselves to the process."
Those who fail "end up selling cars or shoes or something, and being miserable and angry the rest of their lives," London said."

London offers a ready made excuse for him already. I wonder if his "recovery" program involves advising Haggard to either preach the virtues of forgiveness to his following for his own gain now or end up a shoe salesman. ;)

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by thomas on Nov 9^th, 2006, 11:47am

on 11/09/06 at 11:24:57, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:

Oh trust me, this guy is one of the biggest pieces of shit walking on two legs. But he doesn't affect my life at all, all those guys (tv evangelists) are frauds and you will never see any of them in heaven. Nowhere in the Bible does it say "become wealthy by preaching the gospel". But the hypocrasy, lying, cheating and stealing that happens everyday to taxpayers goes unnoticed by so many people, but this chump gets the spot light to deflect attention from those who are really hurting our country on so many different levels.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by BarbaraD on Nov 9^th, 2006, 12:06pm

And don't forget Jimmy Swaggard. He tried to "save" his cousin (Jerry Lee Lewis) while quietly sinning to beat the band. When he got caught (and he had worse taste than Bill Clinton) he went on national TV and cried to be forgiven. Guess he got forgave cause he was still brining in the money and preaching the gosple the last time I heard.

And I loved the "air-conditioned" dog house that Jimmy and Tammy had for their pooch. My dogs have been bugging me for one ever since they heard about that. :)

Oh well the old saying is true -- People Who Live in Glass Houses just SHOULDN'T.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by ivanov on Nov 9^th, 2006, 1:54pm

Very funny but very adult-
Discretion advised-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-hipp/meth-and-man-ass_b_33326.html

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by maffumatt on Nov 9^th, 2006, 2:00pm

people are fallible, always good to see others take joy in a mans downfall.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by seasonalboomer on Nov 9^th, 2006, 2:06pm

on 11/09/06 at 14:00:18, maffumatt wrote:

people are fallible, always good to see others take joy in a mans downfall.

there's no joy here dude. i'm disgusted by the hypocrisy.

as my initial post was stating, that those of his ilk then go on to degrade normal guys who sell shoes and cars as a place where those who are fallen from grace end up. hubris and hypocrisy. its disgusting and sadly whatever abuse they take in the process is deserved (and probably less than they deserve).

scott

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by vig on Nov 9^th, 2006, 2:23pm

I don't see any joy in here.
just anger at the hypocrite.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by fubar on Nov 9^th, 2006, 3:53pm

Scott,

You should read your post... it comes across as very anti-gay... There are better ways to express your anger at that jerk. I find your post offensive, and I am a straight married man. Sorry, this is not to start a fight, but please read your post and see if you can see what I'm saying.

-Shawn

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by seasonalboomer on Nov 9^th, 2006, 4:07pm

No, I can't see what you are saying. Each of my posts on this thread have attempted to point out the hypocrisy of people like Ted Haggard and other evangelicals who attempt to sell homophobia as another way to fill the coffers and the pews.

I have several close friends that are gay. Folks like Haggard and others who denigrate gays, and the religious right with their indignation toward gays, disgust me and offend me and those relationships I have with those friends. Which I believe I have repeated now in three other posts on this thread. Whatever others have posted regarding specific homosexual acts I have not responded to, nor do I intend to.

Maybe you can read my post and help me understand which part you misinterpreted, because I can tell you I am about farthest you can be from being anti-gay, here on this thread or anywhere else.

scott

(unless you missed the glaring sarcastic nature of my first post.....)

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by thomas on Nov 9^th, 2006, 4:10pm

I think fubar might have Scott's post mixed up with Bmonee's.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by vig on Nov 9^th, 2006, 4:53pm

the odd thing is that it was Haggard that was anti-gay....

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by Charlie on Nov 9^th, 2006, 8:00pm

Quote:

people are fallible, always good to see others take joy in a mans downfall.

You bet.

These are the bottom feeders that have turned my old GOP into the bizarre mess that it is. These so-called evangelicals are all over the place blowing out FM stations, snooping in our windows and generally making life miserable for most of us. They are anti-science and against anything that might feel good.

Since someone got caught, I'm delighted that it turns out to be one of these Jesus-Jolly Bible thumping, larcenous "preachers" that would have us believe that The Flintstones is a documentary because they ride around on dinosaurs. It's a delight for someone like me.

All these guys hide out in "rehabs" somewhere blaming booze and others for behaving like pigs.

They are horrible people.

Believe what you like but leave the rest of us alone.

Charlie

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 9^th, 2006, 10:03pm

on 11/09/06 at 16:10:52, thomas wrote:

I think fubar might have Scott's post mixed up with Bmonee's.

Nut-uh! I've never said anything that could be considered offensive.
;)

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by fubar on Nov 10^th, 2006, 1:53am

yup... i flubbed... it wasn't scott... sorry dude

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by JeffB on Nov 10^th, 2006, 11:34am

B$ sounds like he knows a thing or two about ass pounding! [smiley=laugh.gif]

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by EDHASFORDS on Nov 10^th, 2006, 2:22pm

It is so inspiring to see all of you cluster heads taking the moral high ground!

Before you throw rocks at anybody, forget he is a preacher and a human being, you better move away from the glass!

YCB

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by JeffB on Nov 10^th, 2006, 2:28pm

Well, I for one would throw a really big rock (to take out the glass and give me a clear shot) then I would pelt him smaller rocks. But thanks for your 2 cents! ;;D

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by seasonalboomer on Nov 10^th, 2006, 3:40pm

on 11/10/06 at 14:22:52, EDHASFORDS wrote:

my point, edhasfords, is that the moral high ground does not exist, except in the minds of petty little religious moralists such as Ted Haggard. so don't feel too bad for trash like that man, he is very deserving of whatever he is going through, because of the glass house he lived in.
>:(

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by EDHASFORDS on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:04pm

I am not excusing this man nor any other person who would stoop so low to do what he has done! However,
if any of us believe in a God of Justice, he will get his in the end! And what that might be is in Gods hands, not ours!
I also believe in a God of Mercy! Who will be there to help that Family and thousands of people who put a lot of trust and faith in him. Yes, he was the bad apple!
But there are still a lot of good apples in the basket!

Just an opinion; nothing more!
edhasfords

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by Jimi on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:14pm

Quote:

my point, edhasfords, is that the moral high ground does not exist, except in the minds of petty little religious moralists

But I would have to disagree Scott. I have spent my whole life trying to take the moral high ground. And I know many on here to be the same way. This guy was a piece of crap as it is starting to be shown and he brought it all on himself. And I do not feel sorry for him. I DO feel sorry for the ones who were gullible enough to fall for his rhetoric. And for his wife and kids.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by Jonny on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:21pm

on 11/10/06 at 17:14:09, Jimi wrote:

I have spent my whole life trying to take the moral high ground.

I use to beat up kids in school like you......LMAO

Im going to hell and I know it.....LOL ;;D

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by Jimi on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:23pm

[smiley=finger.gif] There.........hows that for taking the high road. ::)

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by tanner on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:32pm

on 11/10/06 at 17:23:57, Jimi wrote:

[smiley=finger.gif] There.........hows that for taking the high road. ::)

Zwibby told me I was going to like you when I got the chance to know you ;)

I have a feeling he's right :) I wish I could entice him back to posting cuz I for one miss his support and humor! Tim

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by Jonny on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:38pm

on 11/10/06 at 17:23:57, Jimi wrote:

[smiley=finger.gif] There.........hows that for taking the high road. ::)

Its better than the night stick up side the head......LMAO ;;D

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by vig on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:39pm

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55141

;;D

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by EDHASFORDS on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:39pm

I am not sure if you were talking to me or someone else
about beating me up on (the play ground)!
I'm sorry, I must have missed it!

I believe in the best of people not their worst!

Bye

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by JeffB on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:41pm

Tim,

Where is Zwibby? I know he thrashed the living shit out of me and took a few lumps from good ol' Jonny, but I kinda miss the fag....er..uh... dude! ;;D
Tell him to dry his eyes and change his diaper and get back here!

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by Jonny on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:42pm

You talkin to me!? ;;D

I was talking to Jimi, not you.....I dont even know you.

on 11/10/06 at 17:39:40, EDHASFORDS wrote:

I am not sure if you were talking to me or someone else
about beating me up on (the play ground)!

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by JeffB on Nov 10^th, 2006, 5:43pm

on 11/10/06 at 17:39:40, EDHASFORDS wrote:

I am not sure if you were talking to me or someone else
about beating me up on (the play ground)!
I'm sorry, I must have missed it!

I believe in the best of people not their worst!

Bye

Hmm. And I've just been believing in Chuck Norris all these years.

Title: Re: Ted Haggard and "Focus on the Family"
Post by Jonny on Nov 11^th, 2006, 6:04pm

Caught red handed ;;D

http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloadsnew/cj_62789.wmv