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(Message started by: aprilbee on Nov 6th, 2006, 8:58am)
Title: I saw Gator!!
Post by aprilbee on Nov 6th, 2006, 8:58am
They did a preview on the news channel here in Oklahoma who are doing the "suicide headache" story and I they showed a lot of Gator talking and using the O2....the broadcast is at 6:00 tonight!

they also referenced something horrible happening during the research for the story....I have my thoughts about what it is, but I'll wait until tonight....

I'm so excited, thanks Gator! :)
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by LeLimey on Nov 6th, 2006, 9:09am
Ohhhh April, can you tape it, can you, can you, can you?!! No kissing the TV and hugging it when Gators on it now.. you know I get first dibs on that  ;)
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by rickyshot on Nov 6th, 2006, 9:12am
Isn't he adorable. I could take him home with me. I am sure Jane would love that. ;;D
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by aprilbee on Nov 6th, 2006, 9:14am
I can dvr it....but I'm sure they will post the story on their web site and when they do can we post the story here????
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by LeLimey on Nov 6th, 2006, 9:31am
definitely! It'd only be a link to their site and that way they get more hit's so everyone's a winner  :)
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Redd715 on Nov 6th, 2006, 10:48am
I can't wait to see this.  Keeping my eye out for the link already.....
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Bill_G. on Nov 6th, 2006, 11:07am
Anxiously awaiting the post
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by aprilbee on Nov 6th, 2006, 11:37am

on 11/06/06 at 11:07:15, Bill_G. wrote:
Anxiously awaiting the post


It will probably be tomorrow morning guys....the story runs tonight at 6 pm and I don't have a computer at home, so I will post it tomorrow unless Gator or someone else wants to post it, OR you can check in at kfor.com...and see when it is posted...
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by kcopelin on Nov 6th, 2006, 1:07pm
This is too cool!!!  Gator, you rock!!! And April so do you!
kathy
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by maffumatt on Nov 6th, 2006, 4:12pm
Thanks Mike....spread the word.......
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Turts on Nov 6th, 2006, 4:17pm
very exciting stuff.

looking forward to seeing the link.

Thanks to gator
Turts
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Sandy_C on Nov 6th, 2006, 4:55pm
kfor.com?  

I'll be checking constantly.  

Mike, you old dog you, WAY TO GO, thanks!  We love you!

Sandy
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Sandy_C on Nov 6th, 2006, 4:57pm
kfor.com?  

I'll be checking constantly.  

Mike, you old dog you, WAY TO GO, thanks!  We love you!

Sandy
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 6th, 2006, 5:40pm
That's great Mike, right guy, right place.  Thanks Mike.  :)










ps.  did you get any TV make-up tips, share.   :-*
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by BlueMeanie on Nov 6th, 2006, 6:29pm
Way to go Mike. Thanks for spreading the word.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Jonny on Nov 6th, 2006, 6:31pm
[smiley=headbanger.gif] [smiley=bow.gif] [smiley=headbanger.gif]
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Donna_D. on Nov 7th, 2006, 12:16am
Here is the link to the story but no video as of yet.


http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=5641503&nav=menu99_2_15



Thank you Mike and others who were interviewed.



DD
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Charlie on Nov 7th, 2006, 1:41am
Nice. Very nice. http://www.netsync.net/users/charlies/gifs/dance2.gif

Charlie
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by BB on Nov 7th, 2006, 3:12am

Way to go MIKE


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b149/bargainbazzar/2874214-4.jpg


Thank you so much ...


Annette
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by BarbaraD on Nov 7th, 2006, 6:06am
Now we can add you to our list of celebs.... Good going Mike..

Hugs BD
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 7th, 2006, 7:18am
Must be because of familiarity with you Mike, got something in my eye.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by KingOfPain on Nov 7th, 2006, 7:53am
From the Story:

"Just days after our interview with Mike, we learned one of his friends, a fellow Oklahoman and cluster headache sufferer, committed suicide because of his pain."

Who told them this information?

Whoever told them this, where did you get your facts that: "a fellow Oklahoman and cluster headache sufferer, committed suicide because of his pain." ?

Which fellow Oklahoman "friend" was this?
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Gator on Nov 7th, 2006, 8:31am
Well, that was a bit unexpected.  I thought the report would contain interviews from several clusterheads, not just me.  

We talked about a lot more than was aired - symptoms, treatments, support and advocacy through ch.com and OUCH, and more.  I guess they wanted to stick to their original story line.  Still, the piece did get the word out to thousands in Oklahoma and the surrounding area and I am thankful that they did the story.



Oh, and Kevin...Sorry, no make up.  WYSIWYG
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by pattik on Nov 7th, 2006, 8:43am
Way to go, Mike--DD, thanks for the link.  I'll check back for video.  Every word we get out there helps.  Mike, thank you.

patti
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by aprilbee on Nov 7th, 2006, 9:07am
I'm so glad everyone got to at least read the story....after the story last night they said they were going to post links to web sites for more information on CH...I don't see them yet, but getting that word  out is cool!

Mike, I'm so proud of you and proud to be a fellow Okie!  You did an awesome job!   :)

*edited to say
I checked again and ch.com is posted from kfor.com!  This is just so exciting! http://www.kfor.com/Global/category.asp?C=23575
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by E-Double on Nov 7th, 2006, 9:11am
WTG Gator!!!!

Wishing you PF times my brother!
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Gator on Nov 7th, 2006, 9:32am

on 11/07/06 at 07:53:25, KingOfPain wrote:
From the Story:

"Just days after our interview with Mike, we learned one of his friends, a fellow Oklahoman and cluster headache sufferer, committed suicide because of his pain."

Who told them this information?

Whoever told them this, where did you get your facts that: "a fellow Oklahoman and cluster headache sufferer, committed suicide because of his pain." ?

Which fellow Oklahoman "friend" was this?


First off, even though there were no names, no locations no dates and no methods mentioned, you know they were talking about Lee.

If it really matters, DJ first told them of the suicide.  When they talked about it with me, I told them I could not give them the contact information of the family, but that I would give the reporter's contact info to the family and let them decide whether to contact the reporter.  Lee's wife originally said she would talk to them.  "Anything for the cause" she said.  I guess when the emotions of the day wore off, she changed her mind.  I can't say I blame her.  I don't think I could have done it, either.

I don't think anyone told them that the suicide was specifically due to his pain.  That's as much speculation as anything else.  

As far as being a friend, I consider everyone here to be a friend.  Some are closer than others.  
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Jimi on Nov 7th, 2006, 9:48am
You did good Mike. Proud of you.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by KingOfPain on Nov 7th, 2006, 12:13pm

on 11/07/06 at 09:32:32, Gator wrote:
If it really matters,


It sure does to me!
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by chewy on Nov 7th, 2006, 12:18pm
Thanks Mike.

Ya did good.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by alchemy on Nov 7th, 2006, 12:29pm
Nice job Mike!!! Thankyou very much.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by KingOfPain on Nov 7th, 2006, 3:38pm

on 11/07/06 at 09:32:32, Gator wrote:
First off, even though there were no names, no locations no dates and no methods mentioned, you know they were talking about Lee.

If it really matters, DJ first told them of the suicide.  When they talked about it with me, I told them I could not give them the contact information of the family, but that I would give the reporter's contact info to the family and let them decide whether to contact the reporter.  Lee's wife originally said she would talk to them.  "Anything for the cause" she said.  I guess when the emotions of the day wore off, she changed her mind.  I can't say I blame her.  I don't think I could have done it, either.

I don't think anyone told them that the suicide was specifically due to his pain.  That's as much speculation as anything else.  

As far as being a friend, I consider everyone here to be a friend.  Some are closer than others.  


"Just days after our interview with Mike, we learned one of his friends, a fellow Oklahoman and cluster headache sufferer, committed suicide because of his pain."

"we learned"...doesn't sound like speculation to me.
It sounds like information given.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Leesa on Nov 7th, 2006, 3:39pm
I hate to say is but where did this come from??? Im a little confused cuz NO ONE knows for sure why Lee took his life at least not that I know of..............Mike did you tell them Lee took his life due to the pain of CH?? If so why dont you show me where you got your info?? Please...........just wondinging is all................. ::)
Leesa  >:(
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by cosmicfunkfather on Nov 7th, 2006, 8:05pm
       WTG!!!!GATOR. 8)





                                    WISHING YOU LOTS OF P.F. TIMES    CFF
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by georgej on Nov 7th, 2006, 11:29pm
Thank you, Mike.  

Best wishes,

George
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by The mad viking on Nov 8th, 2006, 2:17am
Hell of a job Mike  Hell of a job ;;D ;;D ;;D

Congrat
;;D ;;D ;;D

Svenn
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by AussieBrian on Nov 8th, 2006, 4:36am
The video's available.  Dunno how to start it but if you go to the site and click "video" it's awaiting.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by BB on Nov 8th, 2006, 5:54am


Welldone and thank you!


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b149/bargainbazzar/36_1_751.gif


Annette
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by E-Double on Nov 8th, 2006, 7:09am
Again........Good job brother and so glad you "didn't"

Another day and much love!!!!
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by aprilbee on Nov 8th, 2006, 9:07am

on 11/07/06 at 15:39:52, Leesa wrote:
I hate to say is but where did this come from??? Im a little confused cuz NO ONE knows for sure why Lee took his life at least not that I know of..............Mike did you tell them Lee took his life due to the pain of CH?? If so why dont you show me where you got your info?? Please...........just wondinging is all................. ::)
Leesa  >:(


All the reporter had to do was come on this message board and see what was written here when we learned about Lee, maybe they mean they "learned" about Lee from what was written here????  Then formed their own conclusion?  How do you think she got a hold of DJ?  By coming here?  

Get off Mike's back..... geez.  ::)  He has done a wonderful thing for us....don't assume it was him that made a statement about Lee.  
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by kcopelin on Nov 8th, 2006, 10:11am
Wow Mike!  You rock, bro, thanks for doing that story and getting the word out,  Brought tears to my eyes when you talked about getting ready to take the pills-its alot like what I went through.  Thanks so much Gator-for being transparent and brave!
PFDAN
kathy
p.s. umm...I don't know if anyone has mentioned this Mike, but you have a southern accent ;;D  which makes me like y'all even more!
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by DJ on Nov 8th, 2006, 12:09pm
Just to set the record straight...

I told the reporter in an email Lee had committed suicide.  I didn't say or insinuate any reason as to why he committed suicide, simply that he had.  I had originally passed the reporter Lee's name as a possible contact and wanted her to know he wasn't with us any more.

Obviously, it was a statement added by the media to add impact to their story.

Any concerns should be directed to me...

DJ
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by kissmyglass on Nov 8th, 2006, 12:28pm
Awesome Job!   [smiley=bow.gif]
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by KingOfPain on Nov 8th, 2006, 12:59pm
I will begin by saying the reason I am posting this information is because Lee Moore was a personal friend of mine for years, me having made numerous visits to his home & countless phone calls between us. He came to every Meet & Greet I organized.
No one knows why Lee did what he did but Lee.
I do not want to see the tragedy of his death sensationalized.
I also do not appreciate someone stating their own view why he did what he did with no facts.
We all know Cluster Headaches are labeled the "suicide headache" but this does not mean every person that has CH is suicidal nor does it mean if someone takes their own life it is directly a cause purely of CH & the pain associated with it.
I am doing this because Lee is not here to protect himself or his family from those who would abuse his memory and/or death to further their own personal agenda.

That being said...

I spoke to Sheradee Hurst this morning [9:30 am CST 11-08-2006], when she returned my call.
She is the reporter with News Channel 4 in Oklahoma City,OK that did the story located at:  http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=5641503&nav=menu99_2_15

Sheradee told me that Mike Day/Gator told her Lee Moore committed suicide because of Cluster Headaches & the pain associated with it.
She also stated it was at Mike Day's suggestion/recommendation that Lee's suicide & the reason for it, be included in the story.
Thankfully, it did not include Lee's name which saved his family any further grief or embarassment.
Sheradee mentioned others had also contacted her about Lee's suicide but the information that his suicide was directly related to Cluster Headaches came from Mike Day.

The number for the news station that did report, which is how Sheradee Hurst can be contacted:
[405] 424-4444

In my opinion Mike Day's actions to further his own agenda by providing the reporter Sheradee Hurst with misinformation about the reason for Lee's suicide is not only in poor taste, shows a lack of class and definitely is poor judgement on his part. It is also a huge disservice to Cluster Headache sufferers everywhere.
I also feel bringing up a trivial matter such as a news story at Lee's funeral, during the funeral to Lee's grieving Widow Sheila was also low class and in extremely poor taste.
In addition, due to his being Vice President of O.U.C.H., he should exercize more responsibility with his actions.
Many have thanked him for representing the CH community during all of this.
Now that the facts & truth are known, this surely is not how I want to be represented.

Mike Day may do some good things in his position with O.U.C.H. but the inexcusable action he took, sensationalizing the condition of Cluster Headaches, at the expense of Lee's memory is not one of them.

He used Lee's suicide/death to further his own agenda, at least he should own up to what he did & tell the truth.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Leesa on Nov 8th, 2006, 1:33pm
I did not know Lee on a personal level, BUT....being one whom has survived the suside of my own mother at 12,  I can tell there is nothing harder in this world then the guilt the family feels after and the wonder! For ANYONE to make light of this is Nucking Futs!! Let Lee rest in peace and let his family rest! KOP Im with you on this one!!! Making any suside personal to get your name in lights is WRONG!!!! Lee's family is dealing with so much right now and needs SUPPORT and not BS!!! Now back to our regular BS of the day................
JMHO, Leesa  >:(
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Gator on Nov 8th, 2006, 1:44pm
1.  I contacted the reporter and advised her of Lee's death.  I did not say he did it because of CH.  The reporter said she had already been told about it by DJ.

2.  The reporter was interested in talking to Sheila and I told her I could not give Sheila's contact info to her, but that I would give the reporter's info to Sheila and let her decide whether to do an interview.  

3.  Yes, I along with DJ, thought the suicide should be part of the report.  I asked that it be mentioned, but that no personal identification be given.


I have Lee's mailing address and e-mail address.  If my only goal was to fulfill some self serving purpose I could have done this without ever leaving my house.  I traveled 180 miles to pay my respects to the family and to talk to Sheila in person.  Sheila was very happy someone from the cluster headache community Lee loved so much bothered to show up.  I drove 180 miles and suffered through ch to do what I did, KOP.  You couldn't drive across town for such a great friend who meant so much to you?  Whatever.

This whole issue is just the continuation of the problem you have had with me since the convention.  I can only guess what that is, since you can''t be man enough to tell me.  I've tried calling you and you either don't answer or you hang up.  I've tried pm'ing to you and you blocked my pm's.  If you want to carry some unknown grudge against me, fine.  Your loss.  Whatever works for your petty little self-righteous mind, but the public personal attacks are bullshit and you know it.  Get over yourself, Mr. "Lead by Example."
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Margi on Nov 8th, 2006, 1:54pm
I'm sorry, I know I'm going to regret getting into this but...  Gator DOES do a lot of good for this community.  

All due respect, KOP, since Lee's name was NOT mentioned in print (or even referred to in the video) - how is this sensationalizing cluster headaches at the expense of his memory?  The target of this video was the general public, not this online community. The intent of the video was to shine light on this condition that CAN cause sufferers to consider suicide.  

I realize that not every clusterhead is suicidal, nor am I saying Lee's suicide was a direct result of clusters.  KOP, you said it yourself - NONE of us will ever know why Lee chose this route.  It may not have been because of his head, or it may have been.  It's not our call.  

But as to Mike's "hidden agenda" - I, for one, believe it is to shed light on a very obscure and misunderstood condition.  I think he accomplished that and did a good job of it.  

Gator's interview has brought attention to cluster headaches and made the afflicition much easier to understand.  Probably some of the viewers now know that cluster headache isn't "just a headache" anymore.  Isn't that why we're all here?  What's so wrong with that?  

Thank you, Mike, for putting yourself out there.  I don't think you did anything wrong.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by The mad viking on Nov 8th, 2006, 2:04pm
Mike

As far as i know from this side of the pond i just cant see what you could have done different.

All i can say is that you did 1 hell of a job


Svenn
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by chewy on Nov 8th, 2006, 2:23pm
Can't satisfy all of the people all of the time.

No good deed goes unpunished.

Anyone know any more?
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Margi on Nov 8th, 2006, 2:28pm

on 11/08/06 at 14:23:31, chewy wrote:
No good deed goes unpunished.

Anyone know any more?


I know that this is a quote from The Sopranos, Donald.  And I also know that I included your name WHILST I quoted you.  :P
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by roy21302 on Nov 8th, 2006, 3:01pm
Gator, you have done a good job, well done
                                                          Cheers Roy :)
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by aprilbee on Nov 8th, 2006, 3:02pm
I now wish I hadn't started this thread...I didn't want to cause any fighting, I was just excited to see a story about "US"....


I'm sorry guys I never meant for this thread to get nasty or hateful, I thought it would be fun.... :-/
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by thomas on Nov 8th, 2006, 3:47pm

on 11/08/06 at 13:54:32, Margi wrote:
I'm sorry, I know I'm going to regret getting into this but...  Gator DOES do a lot of good for this community.  

All due respect, KOP, since Lee's name was NOT mentioned in print (or even referred to in the video) - how is this sensationalizing cluster headaches at the expense of his memory?  The target of this video was the general public, not this online community. The intent of the video was to shine light on this condition that CAN cause sufferers to consider suicide.  

I realize that not every clusterhead is suicidal, nor am I saying Lee's suicide was a direct result of clusters.  KOP, you said it yourself - NONE of us will ever know why Lee chose this route.  It may not have been because of his head, or it may have been.  It's not our call.  

But as to Mike's "hidden agenda" - I, for one, believe it is to shed light on a very obscure and misunderstood condition.  I think he accomplished that and did a good job of it.  

Gator's interview has brought attention to cluster headaches and made the afflicition much easier to understand.  Probably some of the viewers now know that cluster headache isn't "just a headache" anymore.  Isn't that why we're all here?  What's so wrong with that?  

Thank you, Mike, for putting yourself out there.  I don't think you did anything wrong.

Once again, Margi you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Grandma_Sweet_Boy on Nov 8th, 2006, 7:18pm
Way to go Mike - job well done!

My daughter and I had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with Mike at Convention and having him take time out of what had to be a very busy day, to sit with us and explain a drug that my daughter had been given and that she had a very frightening reaction to.

I can't envision him doing anything just for his own 15 minutes of fame.


Carol
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by KingOfPain on Nov 8th, 2006, 11:56pm

on 11/08/06 at 13:44:20, Gator wrote:
1.  I contacted the reporter and advised her of Lee's death.  I did not say he did it because of CH.  The reporter said she had already been told about it by DJ.

2.  The reporter was interested in talking to Sheila and I told her I could not give Sheila's contact info to her, but that I would give the reporter's info to Sheila and let her decide whether to do an interview.  

3.  Yes, I along with DJ, thought the suicide should be part of the report.  I asked that it be mentioned, but that no personal identification be given.


I have Lee's mailing address and e-mail address.  If my only goal was to fulfill some self serving purpose I could have done this without ever leaving my house.  I traveled 180 miles to pay my respects to the family and to talk to Sheila in person.  Sheila was very happy someone from the cluster headache community Lee loved so much bothered to show up.  I drove 180 miles and suffered through ch to do what I did, KOP.  You couldn't drive across town for such a great friend who meant so much to you?  Whatever.

This whole issue is just the continuation of the problem you have had with me since the convention.  I can only guess what that is, since you can''t be man enough to tell me.  I've tried calling you and you either don't answer or you hang up.  I've tried pm'ing to you and you blocked my pm's.  If you want to carry some unknown grudge against me, fine.  Your loss.  Whatever works for your petty little self-righteous mind, but the public personal attacks are bullshit and you know it.  Get over yourself, Mr. "Lead by Example."
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by DJ on Nov 9th, 2006, 12:20am

on 11/08/06 at 15:47:48, thomas wrote:
Once again, Margi you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Ditto
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by DJ on Nov 9th, 2006, 12:31am
Kinda shot the shit out of this post KOP...


on 11/02/06 at 16:50:44, KingOfPain wrote:
Leading By Example

There are many, that have been around for quite a while here.
Some choose to lead by example with positive thoughts, behaviors, & actions.

THANK YOU!

The sad part is the few leading by example with positive attitudes/actions are sometimes far, FAR outweighed [in my opinion] by the negative undermining of many with their stench of tearing down, stirring up trouble, & general unproductive ways.    :(

It has been said, time & time again by myself & others, what if...all that negativity was turned around to positive?
Oh what could be done & the good accomplished!

I have no "magic answer/solution" of how we keep this community, this family on the positive side of things.
YES, I know we will have our discussions, disagreements & such, as do any group of diverse people. That's human nature.
The point is, agree to disagree, fine. Can we all do so without all the foul name calling, the back stabbing & the negative nonsense?

The fact is, the mood of this place [negative or positive] can be swayed by certain people's actions & behaviors.
You know who you are.

I put out a challenge.
Can we all try to review our thoughts & opinions when it comes to the negative comments & actions BEFORE we post them & think about what [& how] each of our behaviors/words/deeds...might impact another person or the community as a whole? How they affect others around us?

*I am not perfect & don't claim to be.

I thank you for your time it took to read this & thank you in advance if you would like to be a part of the solution...instead of part of the problem.

Pain free's to all, always.
Thank you Supporters, one & all.

Be well.    :)


[smiley=referee.gif]

Enough said.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by jon019 on Nov 9th, 2006, 1:13am
THANK YOU MIKE!. One more voice in the wilderness called CH. One more voice calling to those who have no idea. One more voice that can only help banish the beast. One more voice..

Thank you,

Jon
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by aprilbee on Nov 9th, 2006, 9:12am

on 11/09/06 at 00:20:02, DJ wrote:
Ditto


ditto for me too!  Thanks DJ and Margi for setting things straight.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Tata on Nov 9th, 2006, 2:49pm
  One of the very first threads I read here was the one dealing with the suicide of Lee. It hit me hard because it was just after the anniversary of my sister's suicide and right before the suicide of my cousin's son. I felt so badly for all of you--reading the thread was very hard because I KNOW what suicide survivors go through.
    Everyone of you who knew Lee and cared about him is now a member of yet another club you don't want to be a member of and would give anything to get out of--the suicide survivors club.  Kind of like our membership in the CH club--we don't want it, would do anything to get out of it, but we're stuck with it and have to figure out how to deal with it.
    Looking at Gator's interview from a suicide survivor's point of view (17 year member) I don't see anything wrong with it at all. The interview said his suicide was due to his pain--and doubtless it was. Whether his pain was physical, emotional or a combination of both or even undiagnosed depression--he was in pain and saw that as the way to end it.
   My sister was in pain from a botched back operation and then she was gang-raped and and and and and...the reasons piled up and she coped less and less. She did what she did and our family is left to live with the consequences.  Some of us can talk about it and others can't. Everyone's different in my family ---and everyones different in your family here.
   From where I stand, neither Gator nor DJ did anything wrong--and they have just as much right to discuss their loss and pain as others who choose not to talk about what happened. The article didn't mention any name or intrude on the family in any way.
As far as saving the famliy from any "further embarassment"--what exactly do they have to be embarassed about? Sorry to go on for so long but this a sore subject for me and I can't stand to be told, or to hear others be told, they have no right to talk about it. Suicide affects everyone, and keeping the subject taboo does not address the needs of the survivors nor does it help address the need for better understanding of what warning signs to look for and what resources are available for those who seek help.
Title: Re: I saw Gator!!
Post by Cathi04 on Nov 9th, 2006, 3:27pm
Steve, You know how much I respect you, but I need to shed some light as well.
1-CH IS known as Suicide Headaches-Fact!
2-Lee was NOT mentioned by name, therefore, how could his family be publically shamed?
3-It is important people know what this affliction can do to a person's psyche.
4-Lee is NOT the only person in Clusterville to have taken his life this past year....
5-Hidden agendas are generally just that... HIDDEN..this one was quite open. It was INTENTIONALLY to make the public aware of CH, an affliction that manifests itself in the worst ways....loss of livelihood, loss of family/friends,loss of spirit/hope,  loss of life. THAT's how bad it is!
6-Any way you look at this, the info about Lee could've been gleaned from RIGHT here, for that matter, but DJ stepped up and told you that HE was the one who told the reporter... maybe SHe got HER sources confused??
7-Far more good has been done with this report, and for those who participated, thank you. The world needs to become more aware of this insidious affliction.
8-IMHO- NOONE should be ashamed of CH, in ANY form! It is an AFFLICTION, and should not be hidden, because then it becomes forgotten.

Don't shoot the messenger........

Cathi


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