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(Message started by: Sean_C on Nov 5th, 2006, 12:30pm)
Title: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Sean_C on Nov 5th, 2006, 12:30pm
BAGHDAD, Iraq (Nov. 5) - Saddam Hussein was convicted and sentenced Sunday to hang for crimes against humanity in the 1980s killings of 148 people in a single town.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by vig on Nov 5th, 2006, 12:31pm
swingin' in the breeze!
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by maffumatt on Nov 5th, 2006, 12:35pm
oh the poor guy didn't get the firing squad like he wanted.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Charlie on Nov 5th, 2006, 12:52pm

Quote:
oh the poor guy didn't get the firing squad like he wanted.


I still maintain that the kid that found the prick would have done the world a favor by shooting him on site. Perhaps taking lots of time doing so.

It really was a boring trial for us. Pretty redundant.

I can't say that I'm upset that he didn't get his wish.

Charlie
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Jonny on Nov 5th, 2006, 2:16pm

on 11/05/06 at 12:52:43, Charlie wrote:
I still maintain that the kid that found the prick would have done the world a favor by shooting him on site.


From what I remember the kid that found him was Iraqi wearing an American uniform and said he would have love to kill him.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by MJ on Nov 5th, 2006, 2:43pm
Dont take this too seriously, its just a passing thought.

Maybe they should set the guy free.

Saddam may be the only guy since God ruled Eden that has been able to maintain some control over that part of the world.

Though his tactics were brutal and unacceptable to the rest of us, he did keep the people in line over there.
The citizens of Iraq are certainly not bowing to the current ways.

Maybe a little job sharing should be instituted. Put him back in partial charge. Any foothold Al queda has gotten since the U.S. invaded would be eliminated in short time.
The death rate of the people continues without him at an even higher rate but now it comes from all sides.

WMD required.

Just a thought as its about to get even uglier over there with the sentencing.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by MJ on Nov 5th, 2006, 2:45pm

Where is my damn flack jacket anyways.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Jonny on Nov 5th, 2006, 5:00pm

on 11/05/06 at 14:43:03, MJ wrote:
Though his tactics were brutal and unacceptable to the rest of us, he did keep the people in line over there.
The citizens of Iraq are certainly not bowing to the current ways.


We could start dropping MOAB's.....you know, killing folks like Sadam did......that will surely get them in line  ;)
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BB on Nov 5th, 2006, 5:41pm

Just a personal view,

If the US Airforce didnt stop bombing Hanoi ( North Vietnam ) after only 3 days in 1945 but continued long enough to wipe the Communists out of the country, there wouldnt be over 50 millions people suffering now ....


Annette
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BarbaraD on Nov 5th, 2006, 6:45pm

on 11/05/06 at 14:43:03, MJ wrote:
Dont take this too seriously, its just a passing thought.

Maybe they should set the guy free.

Saddam may be the only guy since God ruled Eden that has been able to maintain some control over that part of the world.

Though his tactics were brutal and unacceptable to the rest of us, he did keep the people in line over there.
The citizens of Iraq are certainly not bowing to the current ways.

Maybe a little job sharing should be instituted. Put him back in partial charge. Any foothold Al queda has gotten since the U.S. invaded would be eliminated in short time.
The death rate of the people continues without him at an even higher rate but now it comes from all sides.

WMD required.

Just a thought as its about to get even uglier over there with the sentencing.



I agree with you MJ.  I'm afraid there will be retribution OVER HERE once they hang him.

One thing for sure -- our kids over there are going to be in a lot more danger than they have been.

Put him in jail and keep him there, but hanging is a little more than the Muslins are ready for.

Hugs BD
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by maffumatt on Nov 5th, 2006, 6:49pm

on 11/05/06 at 18:45:38, BarbaraD wrote:
Put him in jail and keep him there, but hanging is a little more than the Muslins are ready for.

Seems more likely its alot less, they thrive on beheadings and slaughter. The bloodier and violent the better, it'll be a family event.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 5th, 2006, 8:33pm
I honestly cant believe they took him alive either.....and i cant believe he allowed himself to be taken alive.

Does anyone know if this international court has a mandatory appeal?

I think this whole trial is making a mockery of the USA and it's Coalition - a.k.a. Great Brittland.

but that's just me
B$
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Donna_D. on Nov 5th, 2006, 9:29pm

on 11/05/06 at 20:33:02, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Does anyone know if this international court has a mandatory appeal?


B$


The death sentences automatically go to a nine-judge appeals panel, which has unlimited time to review the case. If the verdicts and sentences are upheld, the executions must be carried out within 30 days.

A court official told The Associated Press that the appeals process was likely to take three to four weeks once the formal paperwork was submitted. If the verdicts are upheld, those sentenced to death would be hanged despite Saddam's second, ongoing trial for allegedly murdering thousands of Iraq's Kurdish minority.

Taken from a good article covering the trial at the following link:

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/saddam-hussein-receives-death-sentence/20061103125609990008



It's not over yet, folks.  This is just the beginning.


DD
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Phil L on Nov 5th, 2006, 9:58pm
Sounds a tad upside down, but he did keep the lid on better than Prince Rumsfeld and company.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by maffumatt on Nov 5th, 2006, 10:46pm
Bow before your Prince and Kiss his ring. Long live King George...you guys kill me with that stuff.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by G on Nov 5th, 2006, 11:04pm
 WOW 30 days only.....I can't help but wish we had that here in the U.S. the dirtbag in california comes to mind....rapes and murders a girl (29 whacks in the head with a hammer and strangles her) no-one wants to stick a needle in his arm....it would be to cruel ,where do i sign up??
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Charlie on Nov 6th, 2006, 12:52am
The idea of turning him loose on his own people because he was the only one that ever kept the mullahs at bay has appeal and it was embraced by the powers that be so long as he bought WMDs from us and kept Iranians busy.

You're not alone in this.

Charlie
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by AussieBrian on Nov 6th, 2006, 4:14am
It long amused me that under Brittish (and Oz) law, people had to certified medically fit by a doctor before they could be executed.  Wonder how we CHeads would have got on.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Bob P on Nov 6th, 2006, 7:08am
Ramp up the troop levels,
send the country to condition red,
and lets take the war on terror to the next level!

I figure we got about 25 more years of war before we put a good dent in the terrorist numbers and their will to continue.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by chewy on Nov 6th, 2006, 7:27am
Send him to Texas. They have an express lane on death row.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by The mad viking on Nov 6th, 2006, 7:46am
1
Executing Saddam can easely turn him in to a martyr for his own people,and who will gain on that

2

Iraq is on the way to be a "bottomless"swamparea for you americans  as Vietnam was for you americans back in the 50-75,or have you all forgotten that already?

3

All the wars going on around the world these times can very well be the start on WW3"god forbid"

Just my 2 cents worth in this subject



Svenn
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BarbaraD on Nov 6th, 2006, 8:07am
And two cents well spent Svenn
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Bob P on Nov 6th, 2006, 11:21am

Quote:
Iraq is on the way to be a "bottomless"swamparea for you americans  as Vietnam was for you americans back in the 50-75,or have you all forgotten that already?
Not so my Norse friend.  We were kicking ass in Nam.  Never lost a batlle.  The bombing was taking a definite toll.  Trouble was the whiney spinless back home got the politicians all scared about votes so they held backand fought a half-assed war.

That's why I hate to see the same thing happening now.  Time to do it and do it all the way!
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by floridian on Nov 6th, 2006, 1:19pm

on 11/06/06 at 11:21:10, Bob P wrote:
Not so my Norse friend.  We were kicking ass in Nam.  Never lost a batlle.  The bombing was taking a definite toll.  Trouble was the whiney spinless back home got the politicians all scared about votes so they held backand fought a half-assed war.


Battles are great if you have an enemy with conventional forces.  Not so good if the opponent is a guerilla force.

We put half a million troops in Viet Nam. We dropped more munitions on Vietnam  than was dropped by all sides in all of WWII.  The loss wasn't due to to half-assedness - it was because the war was directed by half-wits that were unable to recognize the situation, and unable to tell the truth to the American public.  Kinda like what we have going on today.  
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by The mad viking on Nov 6th, 2006, 1:40pm
PLEASE do not start a fight again on this thread

All i did was telling what we mean from the european perspective in the matter


Svenn
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by JeffB on Nov 6th, 2006, 1:51pm

on 11/06/06 at 13:19:02, floridian wrote:
Battles are great if you have an enemy with conventional forces.  Not so good if the opponent is a guerilla force.

We put half a million troops in Viet Nam. We dropped more munitions on Vietnam  than was dropped by all sides in all of WWII.  The loss wasn't due to to half-assedness - it was because the war was directed by half-wits that were unable to recognize the situation, and unable to tell the truth to the American public.  Kinda like what we have going on today.  


I really appreciated the fact that there were so many areas we couldn't bomb and when we did bomb we had to notify area leaders that we were coming.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Bob P on Nov 6th, 2006, 2:13pm
Wars should be run by soldiers, not politicians or whiney spineless home folk.

Fact is when old Tricky Dick started dropping some shit on them, they came running back to the negotiation table with their tails between their legs.

Nobody calls Korea a loss but we still have 30,000 trops there 50 years later!

Some may not realize it but when Dubya declared war on terrorism, that meant worldwide.  We are already in world war III.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by floridian on Nov 6th, 2006, 2:52pm
Gee, we're in WWIII and nobody bothered to get a declaration of war??  

When you say that the soldiers should be in charge, were you referring to the calls by the Army Times to fire Rumsfeld??
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Bob P on Nov 6th, 2006, 4:05pm
Nope, just talking about keeping political crap, like your post, out of war.

This isn't some little jaunt we went on where we can decide we don't want to play anymore.  We better be in it all the way or we've wasted the lives of some dedicated soldiers.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by floridian on Nov 6th, 2006, 4:39pm

on 11/06/06 at 16:05:57, Bob P wrote:
Nope, just talking about keeping political crap, like your post, out of war.

This isn't some little jaunt we went on where we can decide we don't want to play anymore.  We better be in it all the way or we've wasted the lives of some dedicated soldiers.



The decision to invade a country that didn't attack us was inherently political and unwise.  No amount of good soldiering can undo that.  Pretending it isn't a disaster, digging in and 'staying the course' won't fix anything.  The only real question is how many more lives should we waste.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death SentenceAl-Qaeda
Post by maffumatt on Nov 6th, 2006, 4:51pm
Don't listen to me, listen to Al-Qaeda, Our mens lives are not being wasted, its a shame you see their sacrifice that way.



Osama Bin Laden: Baghdad Is "The Capital Of The Caliphate." (Text Of Bin Laden's Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)

   * Bin Laden: "The Most Important And Serious Issue Today For The Whole World Is This Third World War … Raging In [Iraq]." BIN LADEN: "I now address my speech to the whole of the Islamic nation: Listen and understand. The issue is big and the misfortune is momentous. The most important and serious issue today for the whole world is this Third World War, which the Crusader-Zionist coalition began against the Islamic nation. It is raging in the land of the two rivers. The world's millstone and pillar is in Baghdad, the capital of the caliphate." (Text Of Bin Laden's Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)

   * Bin Laden: "This Is A War Of Destiny Between Infidelity And Islam." (Text Of Bin Laden's Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)

   * Bin Laden: "The Whole World Is Watching This War And The Two Adversaries; The Islamic Nation, On The One Hand, And The United States And Its Allies On The Other. It Is Either Victory And Glory Or Misery And Humiliation." (Text Of Bin Laden's Audio Message To Muslims In Iraq, Posted On Jihadist Websites, 12/28/04)




Osama Bin Laden: America's "Combat Strategy Is Heavily Dependent On The Psychological Aspect Of War … Which Hides The Cowardice And Lack Of Fighting Spirit Of The American Soldier." BIN LADEN: "It has been made clear during our defending and fighting against the American enemy that this enemy's combat strategy is heavily dependent on the psychological aspect of war due to its large and efficient media apparatus and of course its indiscriminate aerial bombing which hides the cowardice and lack of fighting spirit of the American soldier. … Likewise, let me remind you of the defeat of the American forces in Beirut in 1982, soon after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, when the Lebanese resistance was personified by the truck laden with explosives that struck the main military base of the US Marines in Beirut, killing 242 soldiers – towards Hell was their destination and what an evil destination that is." (Translation Of Purported Bin Laden Audio Message, Posted On Islamist Site, 2/14/03)
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by LadyElaine1 on Nov 6th, 2006, 5:06pm
How I feel won't change one thing. No need to post, what is interresting is in reading threds like this then to go back to 9/11 and read message boards then. To go back to Dec 15th 2003 when Saddam was caught, and read how peoples opinions change!

Everyone wanted Saddam shot, or head riped off then.

I am not talking about just this mesage board but all over the internet.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Bob P on Nov 6th, 2006, 5:11pm

Quote:
digging in and 'staying the course' won't fix anything.

I'm not talking about staying the course.  I'm talking about dictating the course.  It's time to step it up and put these MoFo's to bed!


Quote:
The only real question is how many more lives should we waste.

Feels like I'm talking to John Kerry (that traitor mother ....)
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by JeffB on Nov 6th, 2006, 5:24pm

on 11/06/06 at 14:52:51, floridian wrote:
Gee, we're in WWIII and nobody bothered to get a declaration of war??  

When you say that the soldiers should be in charge, were you referring to the calls by the Army Times to fire Rumsfeld??


Take a trip to Afghanistan and find the first Taliban you find and ask him if they are at war with us.
Go to Indonesia and find the first Islamic extremist you find and ask the same question. I believe we are not too far off from WWIII, Iraq and Afghanistan seems like as good a place to start the battle than anywhere else.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Jonny on Nov 6th, 2006, 5:39pm
Lets take a quick break for a laugh....LMAO ;;D

http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloadsnew/cj_62545.wmv
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by JeffB on Nov 6th, 2006, 5:45pm
Er a, I think I need a drink and a hooker to drown....er a!
[smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BarbaraD on Nov 6th, 2006, 6:53pm
And the bad part is -- look around the world - China, Korea, Iran, Saudi, Pakastan, Afghanastan, Most of Europe, Venezuela, Mexico and Iraq don't like us very much. Can we fight the whole world? Or should we start looking out for us folks at home?

But Bob is right (I can't believe I said that!) about politican's shouldn't be running this war. All they're good for is making stupid speaches and running down whoever disagrees with them so they'll get reelected and not loose the gravy train....

Anyhow, I still think all hell is going to break loose when Suddam is hung (and he will be).

Hugs BD
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by maffumatt on Nov 6th, 2006, 6:58pm
Yes people love to hate us the world over, but they sure love ask for our help when trouble arrives.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by brewcrew on Nov 6th, 2006, 8:42pm

on 11/06/06 at 14:52:51, floridian wrote:
Gee, we're in WWIII and nobody bothered to get a declaration of war??

I don't have a problem with that.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by fubar on Nov 6th, 2006, 8:52pm

on 11/06/06 at 11:21:10, Bob P wrote:
Not so my Norse friend.  We were kicking ass in Nam.  Never lost a batlle.  The bombing was taking a definite toll.  Trouble was the whiney spinless back home got the politicians all scared about votes so they held backand fought a half-assed war.

That's why I hate to see the same thing happening now.  Time to do it and do it all the way!


No truer words...
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by chewy on Nov 6th, 2006, 9:32pm
Heres your declaration of war.

http://www.chaseinfosystems.com/Images/AfterTheAttack/images/09-11-01_terrorist_attacks_jpg.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiNJ8U9FWhAAxXejzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12ssjsikq/EXP=1162953417/**http%3a//captsan.com/images/Scott/USSCole/USS_Cole_on_Transport_Ship-5.jpg

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiZB8k9FGJIAs1GjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=125mhv6dr/EXP=1162953665/**http%3a//www.folley.net/images/misc/pentagon911.jpg
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Linda_Howell on Nov 6th, 2006, 9:48pm


  The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor by surprise but we declared war before we retaliated.  



I can't believe I just entered a no fly zone here and posted to a political thread.  ::)
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 6th, 2006, 9:52pm
Hey, Don.
Iraq had nothing to do with the destruction in those pics.  This thread is about Saddam, not the war on terror.
B$
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by vig on Nov 6th, 2006, 9:53pm
yes, that was the declaration of war....

against Afghanistan, not Iraq.
don't confuse the two.
even Bush said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/08/21/bush-says-iraq-had-%E2%80%98nothing%E2%80%99-to-do-with-911/
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by brewcrew on Nov 6th, 2006, 10:03pm

on 11/06/06 at 21:52:03, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Hey, Don.
Iraq had nothing to do with the destruction in those pics.  This thread is about Saddam, not the war on terror.
B$

And Saddam didn't provide $$ or safe haven to the a$$holes who are responsible for the destruction in those pics....
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Charlie on Nov 7th, 2006, 1:28am
Well, the thing is that if you're going to declare war, it's usually a good thing to go after the enemy. We did manage to provide bin Ladin & Co. with what amounts to a series of  "Why We Fight" recruiting films rather than hitting the target.

We are less safe today since Bush declared war on us.

Charlie
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by chewy on Nov 7th, 2006, 5:59am

Quote:
Iraq had nothing to do with the destruction in those pics.


Are you really THAT niave?
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Bob P on Nov 7th, 2006, 9:52am
Why do people think this is a war on Bin Laden or a war on al queda?

War on terror!
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by floridian on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:01am

on 11/07/06 at 05:59:19, chewy wrote:
Are you really THAT niave?


Yes, and so is President Bush, if his words mean anything.


Quote:
Bush rejects Saddam 9/11 link
September, 2003:

US President George Bush has said there is no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm


WASHINGTON - President Bush distanced himself on Wednesday from comments by Vice President Dick Cheney that left the impression he saw a possible link between Saddam Hussein and the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

"We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11," Bush told reporters as he met members of Congress on energy legislation.


And Bush did say something interesting over the weekend: we are staying because of the oil.  Can't let the evil-doers get the oil and blackmail us with it.  American soldiers must die to protect your right to drive a gas-guzzler.

Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:02am

on 11/07/06 at 05:59:19, chewy wrote:
Are you really THAT niave?


Naive?  LMAO.  There is about as much connection between Iraq and 9/11 as there is between Canada and 9/11.  
Keep drinkin the kool aid.  
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:14am

on 11/07/06 at 09:52:17, Bob P wrote:
Why do people think this is a war on Bin Laden or a war on al queda?

War on terror!


Because Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are terrorists that caused harm to America.  

Why do you want to let terrorists go?  Why is Bush 'not concerned' with Bin Laden?
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Paul98 on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:16am

on 11/07/06 at 10:02:17, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Naive?  LMAO.  There is about as much connection between Iraq and 9/11 as there is between Canada and 9/11.  
Keep drinkin the kool aid.  


Brian,  

I guess Salman Pak was for the flight attendants training for Iraqi Airways.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm

-P.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by maffumatt on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:22am
doesn't fit into their ideas so it is ignored.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:30am

on 11/07/06 at 10:16:16, Paul98 wrote:
Brian,  

I guess Salman Pak was for the flight attendants training for Iraqi Airways.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm

-P.


OMG, dude, that article is talking about 10 years ago.  
After 3000 Americans died in the worst attack on American soil, you want to let the terrorists go and invade Iraq over this?!?!  
Why?
Why don't you want America to protect herself?
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:32am

on 11/06/06 at 21:32:48, chewy wrote:
Heres your declaration of war.

http://www.chaseinfosystems.com/Images/AfterTheAttack/images/09-11-01_terrorist_attacks_jpg.jpg


This must be the Al Qaeda flight attendant training school for Air Bin Laden.

Why dont you want to do anything about this?
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Paul98 on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:39am

on 11/07/06 at 10:32:20, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
This must be the Al Qaeda flight attendant training school for Air Bin Laden.

Why dont you want to do anything about this?


Where do you think they trained?
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:43am

on 11/07/06 at 10:39:03, Paul98 wrote:
Where do you think they trained?


Several in Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia.
A couple in Iran, Egypt and Afganistan.
Most of the training actually happened in the USA.

Are you saying that learning how to is a crime but actually hijacking a plane isnt?  Why don't you want to do anything about it?
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Bob P on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:56am
Ya know BM, that's about the most childish display I've seen around here.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 7th, 2006, 10:59am

on 11/07/06 at 10:56:04, Bob P wrote:
Ya know BM, that's about the most childish display I've seen around here.


Glad to hear it, Bob.  Sorry that you think facts are childish, though.  What is it about facts that you think are childish?  
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Paul98 on Nov 7th, 2006, 11:01am

on 11/07/06 at 10:43:03, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Several in Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia.
A couple in Iran, Egypt and Afganistan.
Most of the training actually happened in the USA.

Are you saying that learning how to is a crime but actually hijacking a plane isnt?  Why don't you want to do anything about it?


The hijackers flight training was in the US, the hijack training was from Salman Pak.

As for not wanting to do anything about it; where in ANY of my posts have I stated so?

-P.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 7th, 2006, 11:24am

on 11/07/06 at 11:01:36, Paul98 wrote:
The hijackers flight training was in the US, the hijack training was from Salman Pak.

As for not wanting to do anything about it; where in ANY of my posts have I stated so?

-P.


Paul,
There is no information whatsoever in the 9/11 commission report about Salman Pak.  Abu Zeinab al-Qurairy is said to be the informant about this camp, however, it has since come out that this person was a fake, an imposter assuming the ID of al-Qurairy.  

Paul, you implied you would rather send our troops to Iraq rather than fuck up some terrorists.  You implied that you would rather be in Iraq because they had this counter-terrorism training camp back in the 80s, that was built with British supervision.  

Instead of being in Iraq because they had a counter-terrorism training camp back 10 and 20 years ago, I think we should go after those that have ties to 9/11.  I think avenging the deaths of 3000 Americans on 9/11 should take priority over what Iraq did so long ago.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by JDH on Nov 7th, 2006, 11:40am

on 11/07/06 at 11:24:26, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
I think we should go after those that have ties to 9/11.  I think avenging the deaths of 3000 Americans on 9/11 should take priority over what Iraq did so long ago.


I agree 100% BM!
It's been over 5 years since 9/11 and we still haven't found Osama bin Laden...wtf?

Jim
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by chewy on Nov 7th, 2006, 11:44am
Apparantly B$ you are that niave.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 7th, 2006, 11:49am

on 11/07/06 at 11:44:22, chewy wrote:
Apparantly B$ you are that niave.


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Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Bob P on Nov 7th, 2006, 11:54am
Hey Chewy, I've been officially releived of my OUCH BoD duties so I am out from under the code of conduct agreement.  Where'd you stash the tomaters?
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by chewy on Nov 7th, 2006, 11:55am
B$

Good come back. Try to keep up with the adults now.


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And Bush did say something interesting over the weekend: we are staying because of the oil.  Can't let the evil-doers get the oil and blackmail us with it.


At least he admits it which is more than what SR. did. Its a valid reason. Oil production and sales probably accounts for a significant portion of the global economy. Having someone like Hussien pulling the purse strings is a little un-nerving.

My major problem with Sr. was not calling it for what it was.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Paul98 on Nov 7th, 2006, 12:11pm

on 11/07/06 at 11:24:26, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Paul,
There is no information whatsoever in the 9/11 commission report about Salman Pak.  Abu Zeinab al-Qurairy is said to be the informant about this camp, however, it has since come out that this person was a fake, an imposter assuming the ID of al-Qurairy.  

Paul, you implied you would rather send our troops to Iraq rather than fuck up some terrorists.  You implied that you would rather be in Iraq because they had this counter-terrorism training camp back in the 80s, that was built with British supervision.  

Instead of being in Iraq because they had a counter-terrorism training camp back 10 and 20 years ago, I think we should go after those that have ties to 9/11.  I think avenging the deaths of 3000 Americans on 9/11 should take priority over what Iraq did so long ago.


Brian,

You were assuming I favor going into Iraq rather than fight terrorists.  This was an incorrect assumption.  Much of what was in the 9/11 commission report was sanitized by both sides of the isle.  The Salam Pak training camp was in use during the planning and training of 9/11.  That plan was in the work for 5+ years before the actual attack took place.

As far as some of the defectors being fake; yes.  However not 1, repeat, not 1 defector came out of Iraq saying it all reports about WMD are a lie.  All defectors came out of there saying there were WMD and active WMD research.   On top of this you had Sdam boasting he had WMD and wanted the USA to be eradicated.  

If you had a passenger on a plane stating he had a bomb in his suitcase, would you assume he is lying and do nothing about it?

A tidbit of news that is often overlooked is the intel stating that Russia came in days before we went into Iraq and they helped spirit much of the WMD out of Iraq into Syria.  

-P.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by BMoneeTheMoneeMan on Nov 7th, 2006, 12:32pm

on 11/07/06 at 12:11:59, Paul98 wrote:
Brian,

You were assuming I favor going into Iraq rather than fight terrorists.  This was an incorrect assumption.  Much of what was in the 9/11 commission report was sanitized by both sides of the isle.  The Salam Pak training camp was in use during the planning and training of 9/11.  That plan was in the work for 5+ years before the actual attack took place.

As far as some of the defectors being fake; yes.  However not 1, repeat, not 1 defector came out of Iraq saying it all reports about WMD are a lie.  All defectors came out of there saying there were WMD and active WMD research.   On top of this you had Sdam boasting he had WMD and wanted the USA to be eradicated.  

If you had a passenger on a plane stating he had a bomb in his suitcase, would you assume he is lying and do nothing about it?

A tidbit of news that is often overlooked is the intel stating that Russia came in days before we went into Iraq and they helped spirit much of the WMD out of Iraq into Syria.  

-P.


Bro,
I never believed Saddam had WMDs capable of harming the USA.  Condi, Powell, Cheney and Rumsfeld all said Iraq was not, repeat, not a threat just 6 months before Bush decided to invade.  Colin Powell said "not only do they not have any, they dont have the means to even GET any".  
Of course, yes, Saddam wished he had a big military, but wishes are not a threat to America.

And on your Russian-Iraqi WMD highway, I don't believe that for a second.  If we saw these WMDs being trucked down the WMD superhighway, why didnt we do anything?  Why didn't we even get a picture?  

If this is the case, and Syria got a bunch of WMDs, doesnt that SCARE you?  If Syria has these WMDs, shouldn't we DO something?!?!?!  Syria is an openly anti-American country with blatant ties to not only terrorism, but also with trying to shoot at our boys in Iraq.  

If this is the case, and Syria now has WMDs, why would you want to stay in Iraq rather than go fuck up some terrorists with WMDs?

B$
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by JeffB on Nov 7th, 2006, 12:54pm
B$,
How in the hell can you tell anyone that Iraq never had WMD? You don't know that, you're just forcing your opinion and are refusing to consider anything to the contrary. You don't think it's possible to hide drums of chemicals, warheads or research in a vast desert like Iraq?? They buried JET FIGHTERS in the sand! And I will bet dollars to cow dung that Russians were there to help get rid of whatever they had. But lets put that aside and let me ask you this, what would you do right now if you had the power to change things in Iraq??
What would anyone on the left here do????
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Paul98 on Nov 7th, 2006, 1:04pm

on 11/07/06 at 12:32:47, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Bro,
I never believed Saddam had WMDs capable of harming the USA.  Condi, Powell, Cheney and Rumsfeld all said Iraq was not, repeat, not a threat just 6 months before Bush decided to invade.  Colin Powell said "not only do they not have any, they dont have the means to even GET any".  
Of course, yes, Saddam wished he had a big military, but wishes are not a threat to America.

And on your Russian-Iraqi WMD highway, I don't believe that for a second.  If we saw these WMDs being trucked down the WMD superhighway, why didnt we do anything?  Why didn't we even get a picture?  

If this is the case, and Syria got a bunch of WMDs, doesnt that SCARE you?  If Syria has these WMDs, shouldn't we DO something?!?!?!  Syria is an openly anti-American country with blatant ties to not only terrorism, but also with trying to shoot at our boys in Iraq.  

If this is the case, and Syria now has WMDs, why would you want to stay in Iraq rather than go fuck up some terrorists with WMDs?

B$


I don't recall Condi, et. al. making those claims prior to us going in.  I do remember Powell making an eloquent address to the UN as to why we should go in to Iraq.

As far as not calling Russia to task, we needed their cooperation in not putting up roadblocks for us going into Iraq.

Syria....I would have done something a long time ago.  Why the US hasn't done something is beyond me.

-P.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by floridian on Nov 7th, 2006, 1:35pm

on 11/07/06 at 13:04:47, Paul98 wrote:
I don't recall Condi, et. al. making those claims prior to us going in.  I do remember Powell making an eloquent address to the UN as to why we should go in to Iraq.


Yeah, and Powell wishes he could forget that eloquent address...



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It was Powell who told the United Nations and the world that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and posed an imminent threat. He told Walters that he feels "terrible" about the claims he made in that now-infamous address -- assertions that later proved to be false.

When asked if he feels it has tarnished his reputation, he said, "Of course it will. It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now."

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/powell-calls-un-speech-a-blot-on-his/20050908231709990004


Why do you think he resigned??  He knows he sold the country a pig in a poke.  At least he has the intelligence and integrity to recognize his mistake.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Paul98 on Nov 7th, 2006, 1:48pm

on 11/07/06 at 13:35:05, floridian wrote:
Yeah, and Powell wishes he could forget that eloquent address...



Why do you think he resigned??  He knows he sold the country a pig in a poke.  At least he has the intelligence and integrity to recognize his mistake.


Flo-

Yes, Powell did later wish he could retract his presentation to the UN.  He was given innacurate information.  My point was he did not hold the opinion that Iraq had no WDM 6 months prior to us going into Iraq as Brian claims.  Many nations did in fact believe Sadam's assertion that he did posess WMD prior to us going in.  

-P.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by floridian on Nov 7th, 2006, 1:58pm
Was it 6 months, or a year?  I'm not so good with time.


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In a press statement on February 24, 2001 he [Powell] had said that sanctions against Iraq had prevented the development of any weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by floridian on Nov 7th, 2006, 2:14pm
Was it 6 months, or a year?  I'm not so good with time.


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In a press statement on February 24, 2001 he [Powell] had said that sanctions against Iraq had prevented the development of any weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein.


The head of the CIA and the Whitehouse re-wrote the intelligence assessments to justify the war.  While some other intelligence agencies thought he might have a small WMD stock, 100% of the tips from the US to the inspectors were duds.

Hey, its ok - we are operating on Cheney's 5% doctrine (if there is a 5% chance that they might be out to get us, we get them first).  It means that 19 out 20 wars we fight will be unjustified.  That's just the price of paranoia.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Paul98 on Nov 7th, 2006, 3:03pm

on 11/07/06 at 13:58:52, floridian wrote:
Was it 6 months, or a year?  I'm not so good with time.

In a press statement on February 24, 2001 he [Powell] had said that sanctions against Iraq had prevented the development of any weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein.


I stand corrected.  

Powell did make such a statement on Feb. 24, 2001 when he met with Foreign Minister of Egypt Amre Moussa.

-P.

edited to add:
Powell's statment about sanctions working to keep Sadam's ambitions in check was made prior to Iraq's breech of UN resolution 1441.  

-P.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Charlie on Nov 7th, 2006, 3:43pm
The WMD question has been all but dismissed even by George Bush. He doesn't refer to anymore. Now it's his plan for self-determination so long as he's doing the determining. It isn't going to go his way and he still refuses to see that fundamentalism works differently over there. They hate us and him at levels hard to comprehend. The Bush crowd is stunningly culturally illiterate and ham-fisted.

This antique training facility story reminds me of crank theories that the Council on Foreign Relations is some kind of secret society calling the shots and that they helped bring down the WTC by strategically planting explosives to insure its complete distruction.

If it were so stunning a find, that shining light Rick Santorum and his crowd would have used it in their revelations that back in the 80s, Saddam had chemical weapons that could be considered WMDs. Evidently it was not significant enough to use.

Charlie
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 7th, 2006, 6:36pm

on 11/07/06 at 15:03:42, Paul98 wrote:
Powell's statment about sanctions working to keep Sadam's ambitions in check was made prior to Iraq's breech of UN resolution 1441.  




On November 8, 2002, the U.N. Security Council unanimously adopted Resolution 1441, which declared Iraq in material breach of existing resolutions (i.e. nonproliferation treaty as well as U.N. Security Council Resolution 687).  One condition of 1441 was thirty days to provide a full declaration of all its weapons of mass destruction programs.
 On December 7, Iraq submitted its declaration , which Hans Blix (head of U.N. Monitoring, Verification, and Inspection Commision, UNMOVIC) criticized for containing "little new information."  Ten days later WINPAC (CIA's Weapons, Intelligence, Nonproliferation, and Arms Control Center, est. Mar 2001 by combined agencies) analysts completed a paper, U.S. Analysis of Iraq's Declaration, 7 December 2002.  They made only two points concerning Iraq's nuclear claims: Iraq failed to explain procurement of the aluminum tubes the intelligence community had "assessed" could be used in a nuclear program; and the declaration "does not acknowledge efforts to procure uranium from Niger."  The Bush administration characterized the declaration as an additional material breach of Iraq's obligations.*



*  An e-mail from INR's (Bureau of Intelligence and Research) Iraq nuclear analyst to an Energy Department analyst on December 23, 2002 indicated surprise that INR's well-known alternative views on both the aluminum tubes and the uranium information were not included in the points before they were transmitted to the National Security Council.  The Energy analyst responded that it was "most disturbing that WINPAC is essentially directing foreign policy in this matter.  There are some very strong points to be made in respect to Iraq's arrogant non-compliance with U.N. sanctions.  However, when individuals attempt to convert those 'strong statements' into the 'knock out punch,' the Administration will ultimately look foolish -- i.e., the tubes and Niger!"
 See U.S. Congress, Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), Report on the U.S. Intelligence Community's Prewar Intelligence Assessments in Iraq (Washington, D.C." SSCI, 2004), p. 60.



327.1747 R


ps.  The Niger uranium procurement documents provided to the IAEA were forgeries.  Powell told the Members of the U.N. Security Council and a large television audience about the tubes,  acknowledging, "There are differences of opinion."**

**I already posted some individual and departmental "opinion" differences previously and how the opinion used on the tubes was of one individual.
Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by Kevin_M on Nov 7th, 2006, 6:47pm

on 11/07/06 at 11:54:53, Bob P wrote:
I am out from under the code of conduct agreement.  Where'd you stash the tomaters?




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Title: Re: Saddam gets Death Sentence
Post by cosmicfunkfather on Nov 7th, 2006, 7:15pm
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